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  • #454596
    anita
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    Dear Emma:

    I need to re-read your long post of about 6 hours ago tomorrow morning (when I have use of a 🖥.) For now, after first reading: how lovely it was in the beginning. It made me smile to read how comfortable you felt with each other.

    Trouble started, if I understand correctly, over the key 🔑 issue. That triggered his jealousy and insecurity.

    Seems like you told him about it because you were confused maybe, you wanted to be 100% honest with him..? You meant well, or at the least, you definitely didn’t intend to hurt W. You didn’t think thoroughly about it.

    Having read about his words and behaviors, seems to me that it was just a matter of time before there’d be problems, even without the key 🔑 issue.

    Maybe it’s about two individuals with trouble regulating emotions, getting confused and overreacting.

    The whole thing was a month long- enough time to Hope and Dream and Wish 🤞 but when emotions get too intense, anxiety, anger.. on both sides, what are the chances for a stable, long-term relationship?

    More tomorrow. If you get a chance to read this before I return- in about 14 hours from now- and would like to respond to my thoughts, or fill in blind spots I may have, please 🙏 do.

    🤍 🐕 🐈 Anita

    #454604
    J.
    Participant

    Hi Anita, thanks for reading and replying. What a cute name for your dog, I will look up the actor.
    Yes, about the key issue…i never meant to make him feel i was unsure if i wanted to be with him..cause i wasnt, i loved him deeply i just felt i needed to be honest, maybe too honest..
    He later said i maybe should not have told him. And kept telling me i should go date this colleague in a somewhat mean tone. I wish i didnt tell him. You said you expected there to be other issues if not for the key….why do you think? I am happy you said so..
    He did get very angry already when he felt excluded from a family feast. He said he wanted a stable relationship and me using the wrong words to describe emotions and his insecurity might be a toxic cocktail he said. I am just so sad what other woman will be able to make him happy..? Someone less emotional? and he said i might need a more secure man “not a loser like him”.

    #454608
    J.
    Participant

    He said, you knew about my ex, and that i broke up with her bc she lived with this guyvshe kissed, i was not welcome at her place, and she walkef around half naked…he compared this with the key issue. He later told me, that he believed i must have developed feelings for my colleague bc he is thinner than W, and he gained some weight while we were together. This was sooo untrue…my feelongs for this colleague never changef and i hardly noticed him gaining a few kilos. He said he wanted to only date chubby girls for the moment, but when he,’d lost weight he would date me. Cause i would find him more attractive then, he said….he made up the whole story, i prefer a sturdy guy over a very thin one

    #454615
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Emma:

    You are very welcome 🙂

    “You said you expected there to be other issues if not for the key….why do you think? I am happy you said so… I am just so sad what another woman will be able to make him happy..?”-

    I think that it’s fair to say that even a “perfect” partner would have struggled in a relationship with him because the core instability didn’t come from you — it came from his emotional patterns. That doesn’t make him a bad person, but it does mean the relationship was built on ground that couldn’t hold weight.

    W is someone who attaches intensely and quickly, but whose deep insecurity makes it hard for him to sustain closeness. He craves connection yet becomes overwhelmed by it, swinging between idealization and anger when he feels threatened. His fear of rejection is so strong that even small uncertainties feel like betrayal, and he reacts with withdrawal, accusations, or sudden break‑ups to regain a sense of control.

    He struggles to regulate emotions, interprets conflict in catastrophic ways, and uses blocking or distancing as a way to protect himself from feeling vulnerable. He cannot tolerate the discomfort that comes with real intimacy.

    Being with someone like this is difficult because:

    * His insecurity turns normal situations into crises. A harmless detail becomes a threat; a delay in texting becomes abandonment.

    * He needs closeness but can’t handle the emotional intensity that comes with it. So, he pulls close, then pushes away, creating instability.

    * He reacts impulsively when hurt. Breakups, anger, accusations, and blocking happen quickly and dramatically. He externalizes blame: instead of processing his own fear, he assigns responsibility to the partner (“you ruined my Christmas,” “you destroyed the relationship”).

    * He uses conditions to protect himself. Suggesting “we date others” wasn’t a real compromise — it was a shield against vulnerability.

    * He cannot tolerate ambiguity or emotional nuance. Everything becomes all‑good or all‑bad, which makes conflict resolution nearly impossible.

    * His emotional flooding leads to shutdowns. Blocking is his way of escaping feelings he can’t manage.

    Even a patient, secure, emotionally mature partner would eventually feel exhausted, confused, and unsafe in this dynamic. The problem isn’t that you weren’t “good enough” — it’s that he doesn’t yet have the emotional tools to maintain a stable, healthy relationship with anyone.

    Emma, what you went through was incredibly intense, and it makes sense that you’re hurting. A relationship that starts fast and feels magical can be very hard to let go of, but the truth is that the problems you faced weren’t because you weren’t “good enough.” They came from emotional patterns in him that would have created trouble no matter who he was with. His insecurity, his quick anger, his fear of rejection, and his difficulty handling conflict made the relationship unstable from the start. You didn’t cause that.

    Part of your healing now is letting go of the idea that you ruined something. You didn’t. You cared deeply, you tried your best, and you were honest because you wanted to protect the relationship. Your anxiety made you over‑explain and seek reassurance, but that’s a normal response when you’re afraid of losing someone. None of this means you’re flawed or unlovable. It just means you were overwhelmed and scared, and you reacted from that place. Anyone would.

    You also deserve to understand that the intensity you felt at the beginning wasn’t proof that the relationship was meant to last. Intensity can feel like love, but real stability comes from calmness, consistency, and emotional safety. You didn’t have that with him. His reactions, his mixed messages, and his sudden withdrawals would have been painful for any woman. You were trying to build something solid with someone who didn’t yet have the emotional tools to meet you halfway.

    Healing for you now means slowing down, being kind to yourself, and rebuilding your sense of safety inside yourself. You don’t need to blame yourself or replay every moment. You need to remember who you are outside of this relationship: sensitive, creative, loving, and capable of deep connection. You deserve a partner who brings steadiness, not fear; clarity, not confusion; and who can stay present even when things get difficult.

    Most of all, Emma, please forgive yourself. You didn’t fail. You were simply human, hopeful, and in love. And you can recover from this by treating yourself with the same gentleness you offered him.

    🤍 Anita

    #454616
    anita
    Participant

    Continued:

    I see a need to let go of idealizing what was actually a fragile connection and to grieve the fantasy. What you lost was the dream, the potential, the version of him you saw in the beginning, the feeling of being understood, the intensity of the connection.

    But intensity ≠ stability, chemistry ≠ compatibility and closeness ≠ safety

    When you told him about the key, I think that you were trying to be perfectly honest, so to keep the relationship safe, as in more honesty = more safety.

    But with someone as insecure and reactive as him, more honesty = more instability. Insecure partners often interpret honesty as threat, not reassurance.

    I looked at parallels with what you shared about your relationship with Philip in the original post in this thread (June 19, 2025) and what you shared yesterday in regard to your relationship with W.

    In both cases, the same pattern shows up. You choose men who are intense, inconsistent, and emotionally unpredictable. At first, the connection feels magical, so you ignore the red flags. Then you start to feel insecure and afraid of losing them, so you over‑explain, confess things you don’t need to confess, or test the relationship. These men pull away, get angry, or shut down when things get difficult, which makes you panic and blame yourself.

    Both men blocked you when they felt overwhelmed, and both relationships left you feeling confused, guilty, and heartbroken. The truth is, this isn’t about one specific man — it’s a cycle. You’re drawn to men who can’t give you emotional safety, and your anxiety gets triggered in the same way each time. Understanding this pattern is the first step toward choosing someone who can offer the stability and kindness you deserve.

    What do you think, Emma, what do you think attracts you to these men?

    🤍 Anita

    #454662
    J.
    Participant

    Wow Anita, your messages gave me chills, thank you thank you. I will send you an answer later today, thiking about what to answer.
    Have a good night,

    Love, Emma

    #454669
    anita
    Participant

    You are very welcome, Emma. It so happened I did have a good night (I just realized following you mentioning it 🙏)

    Take your time with your answer. It doesn’t need to be a perfect or complete answer. Just a bit of this, a bit of that is good-enough 🙂.

    Love 🤍 Anita

    #454681
    J.
    Participant

    Hi Anita, I am happy to hear, that you thought it might just be a matter of time before anything happened…because, yes I keep thinking its all my fault…for some reason I am sort of blind maybe to the red flags, and maybe I lack a certain self respect so I would have stopped earlier. Like the getting angry? these guys get angry with me and I still think its my fault. It is interesting what you mentioned, that I fall for these guys…its true. I am attracted to men who seem self confident, have a strong will, and are not afraid to be themselves…but in the end they tend to find me too “good/sweet”, not going against them enough, not voicing my own opinion etc…its true, i am still living with this mask, not being truly myself with people i dont know well enough. I always felt like i had to be the sweet one eventhough i have a strong opinion myself, and people are surprised when they find out. I do have a father and brother who are dominant. My father is afraid to be vulnerable i think, does not often talk about his emotions, he prefers to talk about things. He is kind of awkward when giving a hug.

    I feel like i always have to be honest, maybe that’s the conscience, and ocd. I think that i too am afraid to be rejected and left. W told me that it was not so much the key, but more so, the fact that i did not come to talk to him, and comfort him, about the key issue, when he initiated that, why he broke up with me. When i told him about it, he wanted space, and i went to my parents in sadness and panic. Then i texted W that i would be ready to talk and loved him etc. He replied with “just go and celebrate christmas with that colleague of yours”. Later that night he said he wanted to talk about it, and i asked if he wanted to break up, to which he replied he was not sure. I was so scared…losing love and being rejected is something i tend to flee from, so i did not dare to ho and ecpected him to brrak il with me anyway. and my parents were so afraid i woild do something to myself, if i would be at his place/area, on my own, and he would break up with me, that they did not let me go….
    I wonder if things would have gone different then. I later told him all this, alsk qbout my parents. He seemed sorry for me and held my hands…so i hope he understood. I still feel a bit angry at my parents, but i should have made my own decisions and they meant well. I asked him to talk in my safe environment then, but this would only be possible after crhistmas. We agreed to take time till then, but he got so angry, suddenly, i guess because i was too calm, and he said bc he felt angry but also bad for not celebrating christmas together, thag be nroke eup overvthe ohone. He yelled angrily af my, my father heard him theough the phone and was shocked, and he hung up suddenly. I called bavk, he yelled, and hung up again. I had texted him he was the love of my life and never wanted anybody else..but he later said, that he looks at actions rather than words. I should have gone there then. J really did not feel…how hurtfjl the things wefe i said…anout the key, and the feeljnvs…i never considered how much that hurt him. Because i never meant to tell him i prefered that colleague…it was only out of guilt i told that story…i only wanted to be with him. I wonder why i did not feel that..i gelet like ethe victim myself a bit…is that weird? This is the conscience. He felt like i just went on with life without him…maybe ei was not outspoken enough…but i had texted him so manh yimes…leta just try to continue..so i guess i did..The weekend we would go away with my parents and him, i went alone witb them aftef the break up. At some point he told me to enjoy it, i dongknow if this swas sarcacstic of him, i said, well i am not really enjoying now. Then he answered he did nog like it either…and then he initiated meetjng again. This happened after christmas.
    I may have gone too far ..but i sent him a letter, after the blocking, explaining i did not really want to ceize contact, that i had said that out of fear and sadness and anger when he broke up bc i had changed my mind anout the dating (afater i said maybe we shoumd meeg ahajn in the future). But yes he may not be q gokd guy for me. And i not gor him. Noth too..insecure?
    I am relieved to hear..even though it is sad for him, that…you said i would probably not be the only woman struggling with jim. You really thjnk this was mosyly his fear and not all my fault? At some point he did say, that he wanted to date others, because he was no longer sure if we were a match…bc i was holding myself back, he said, he foundbit more attarctive if i could be myself more.. being too sweet, instable he said…and he wanted kids fast so..that put a pressurenkn me too. He wanted a stable relationship where there would be no talk of other men…and he would date me but he would not hive me any guarantees he said…
    The more doubts he said he had about me, the more scared i hot and i did not dare to put my heart in it with yhis abandonment looming. He did have a 12 year long rrlationship begore…but the last 5 years he did not celebrate christmas with her, bc her family did not like him, he said. Maybe thats why christmas together was sooo important to him.
    Thank you for wishing me a kind man, maybe you are right….what sort of man would be better? More consistent you said? Less reactive.. Someone who does not take away his love so suddenly? W said, maybe i need someone more secure.

    I heard from a mutual friend, that he was drunk at a party last week saying: “i love you all”, and asking her, “may i ask you, do i look good, i am a bit insecure”, and “i am bad with women”. Heavy, haha. He is an artist, and draws peoples caticatures…but they van be very critical and bit harsh… He wrote down “mr ugly” and “i am fat”.. While he is insecure about his weight etc. He wanted to date me only after be had lost weight…he would feel better, less jnsevure and mean, he said, and thought i would like him more…so untrue. I had said in the end, maybe we should leave each other, work on ourselves, and maybe meet in de the future if were still single. Cause I was afraid he wojld judge me on ghings i vojld not change yet. I said, ‘right now we are not the best versions of ourselves’. Maybe i had rejected him again then…but he had also said he was not sure about me by then.

    Yes you’re so right..intensity is not stability…that i based my dream on fantasy, and so did he…i guess we had too many issues the both of us…i just hurt bc now maybe he thinks i am crazy, stupid, and i disappointed him. I find it hard to cope witb that fear. But maybe i should not care about what he thinks anymore.

    Thank you, Anita. Your messages gave me much relief and vomfort. Such warmth and insight in how he used things to have control. And that i don’t have to blame myself fofr everything…it really helps💜

    Love, Emma

    #454682
    J.
    Participant

    Sorry Anita, for the typos. I have a new phone…and the typing is worse than usual. I also blurt out a lot…in a story thats not orderly…maybe its all the emotion and thd need to be honedt and invlude zll my bad behaviour. But maybe Ill be a bit calmer now after telling you all.

    I also wonder hos you are, btw! 🙂

    #454683
    anita
    Participant

    No problems in regard to typos 🙂. It’s okay not being perfect.

    I am using my phone and didn’t read but only a portion of your recent two messages.

    I’ll read and reply later, but for now, seems like you’re attracted to men like your father (such a common thing), trying to .. fix your father by proxy of (Phillip, W), trying to connect with a person like your father.
    Make him love you?

    🤍 Anita

    #454684
    J.
    Participant

    I think you may be right, I always feel a sadness for my fathers, i need to take care of him. My father is not all reactive though, but my borther is. I like types like my brother character wise, cause they’rd my oppodite, daring self assured. And yes, maybe also my fsther in his strong opinion and stature (tall, dark hair) …weird huh? 🤣

    💜

    #454685
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Emma:

    Not weird at all 🙂, Emma. You are not weird at all, not in my mind.

    So, there’s something in regard to your brother that’s connected. Family dynamics can be so complicated.

    It’s early afternoon here. Next thing I need to do it to take Bogart on his third walk today (this time, a long- 2+ km walk; the first 2 were very, very short), and then, I am looking forward to going to the local taproom for some in-real-life socialization. And after that, I will not have access to the computer until tomorrow morning.

    First thing Thursday morning, I intend to thoroughly read your most recent posts (and our previous communication) so to thoroughly reply to you best I can.

    Take care, Love, Anita

    #454726
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Emma:

    “You said I would probably not be the only woman struggling with him. You really think this was mostly his fear and not all my fault?”-

    Yes, absolutely. I can’t imagine any woman who wouldn’t be struggling with him. As I read the additional information you provided, I am even more sure that the breakup was not your fault at all.

    Let’s look at what you shared about the four men you mentioned:

    * About your father: “He has a strong opinion.”, “He is awkward with affection.”, “He is afraid to be vulnerable.”

    About your brother: “He is dominant.”, “He is reactive.”, “He is daring and self‑assured.”

    About W: “He has a strong will.”, “He is self‑confident.”, “He gets angry.”, “He is insecure underneath but acts strong.”

    About Philip (from your earlier posts): emotionally unpredictable, intense, reactive, inconsistent.

    The pattern: you are drawn to men who appear strong and confident (strong exterior) but are actually emotionally closed, reactive, and difficult to connect with (fragile interior).

    So, no wonder the relationships with Philip and W ended quickly: they are difficult, maybe impossible to connect with long-term.

    The thing is, you’re attracted to men who look strong but are actually fragile and therefore you feel like you have to “be sweet, don’t upset them”, to “wear a mask.”, to “(not) voice my opinions.”, and to take care of them emotionally.

    I think that you’re attracted to men who replicate your childhood dynamic: men who are strong‑willed, dominant, reactive and emotionally unpredictable. Why? Because they feel familiar.

    Your nervous system learned: ‘Love feels like walking on eggshells.’, ‘Love feels like trying to earn approval.’, ‘Love feels like trying to calm someone down.’

    W yelled at you, hung up, mocked you, blocked you, pressured you, and punished you. But you didn’t think: ‘This is unhealthy.’ Instead, you thought that YOU have done something wrong: “Maybe it’s my fault.”, “I should have comforted him.”, “I didn’t realize how hurt he was.” You didn’t see his behavior as unacceptable (which it was). You see it as something you must fix.

    When you were growing up, you learned to blame yourself for other people’s emotions because it gave you a sense of control in situations where you actually had none. As a child, it felt safer to think ‘Dad is distant because of me’ or ‘My brother is angry because I did something wrong’ than to face the frightening truth that the people you depended on were unpredictable and you couldn’t change them.

    By believing their reactions were your fault, you also got to believe you could fix things by being sweeter, quieter, more honest, or more perfect. That self‑blame protected your attachment to them — because if you were the problem, then you could work harder and keep the connection.

    If they were the problem, you would have been powerless, and that’s too terrifying for a child. This is why, even now, you automatically take responsibility for men’s anger, insecurity, or withdrawal. Your nervous system is still using the same strategy that once kept you emotionally safer (than the alternative), ‘If I can figure out what I did wrong, I can repair it and they won’t leave.’

    You’re doing it because this was the only way you learned to feel relatively secure in relationships. As an adult, you’re repeating the pattern with men who resemble the emotional dynamics of your father and brother, and your mind still reaches for the familiar belief that their feelings are your responsibility. It’s a survival strategy you haven’t had the chance to unlearn yet.

    But you can unlearn it. I know because I did. Growing up I felt very responsible for my mother unhappy, intense, reactive, unpredictable feelings and tried (unsuccessfully) to be perfect. I still remember how I even said these words to myself: “From now on, I will be perfect”. When I said that, I felt calm and hopeful. Now I realize why (because it gave me a sense of control, that if I’m perfect, she will be calm and no longer reactive).

    I also minimized myself psychologically (I refer to it as Self Erasure”) to the point that I wasn’t even aware of preferences (I clearly remember feeling paralyzed sort of, in an ice cream shop, not being able to choose an ice-cream flavor (and there were only 3 flavors back then 🙂).

    Now I know- vanilla with hot fudge on top 🍦.

    Back to you, I can see you in a healthy long-term relationship with a different kind of man: someone calm, steady, one who is able to connect long-term. I hope to talk more about all of this (and more) with you.

    🤍 Anita

    #454792
    J.
    Participant

    Hi Anita, thanks for your message. It is interesting that you drew these parallels, I think you may be very right. What worries me, is that I do not see how unhealthy W behaved towards me. He warned me for it though, that as soon as his insecurity is triggered, he shows a worse side of himself. I wonder, he had a 12 year long relationship, ic he had issues then too. And how he knows this saboug himself. Maybe he ecperienced it before.

    I did say something very hurtful, that I might have had feelings for this colleague, and that may be why I wanted him to keep the key…I am unsure…thoughts afe mixing up. I wonder if thag wasvthe intent at all…ocd is difficjlt whe it comes to memory. But maybe…I don’t know, he still overreacted. Worst is, he was angry I did not take his offer immediataely when he offered me the chat. He did not consider, I guess, how bad he treated me…that he broke up impulsively, cause he did not wanna deal with the mixed feelings over christmas. He did, anyway, hahah. Than he told me he would cancel our appojntment bc he was angry and tense about it all. I do wonder why I did not feel how much I hurt him with the key issue. Only later i did. I do feel guilty, about me telling hjm in the end, that “we should let each other go for now, cause now we won’t see each others best version, and maybe meet later, after working on our issues, if we would still be single”. That “I found his anger was intense, and i did not feel safe when he used that sort of punishing language”. I hope I did not make him feel second best again, and hurt him. I told him in the letter, I criticized him out of anger and fear that he was leaving me.
    He did say, at some point, he wanted to date others bc he did not know if we were still a match, and he needed time. So…maybe it was a mix of reasons, whg be wanted to dafe others. Almost everyone I speak to, says they would not like him to date othees either, ic it was them.

    Yes, the pattern you show me feels real. Do you really think W would have been unealthy for me? How do you think someone more stable would have handled this key issue? All men I am concerned with…are so dominant. They dont see it themselves, but I have learnend to adapt myself, I feel. You think the mask is for that? I feel I wear it with most people, unless Ive known them for a long time and I feel the bond is strong enough to show not only the super sweet side.

    Ahh, that’s heavy what you told about your mother. That you felt so responsible for her feelings. I cacn relate. And about the ice cream…that is really heartbreaking. How did you geg overbit? And do you fewl better now? I am happy you found sosmething bavk about uourself, and got to know yourself better 🙂 are you still developing this?

    Love, Emma

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    #454839
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Emma:

    Good to read back from you, it’s always good.

    As I was reading about your guilt in regard to W, I was thinking: he’s either in his late 30s (?) Or in his 40s. He’s had a lot of life before he met you, particularly his Formative Years (his childhood), and you had absolutely nothing to do with his problems, emotional conflicts, insecurities, impulsiveness, etc. Absolutely Nothing. I hope that this guilt on your part alleviates.

    Yes, I think W would have been unhealthy for you, he’s already been unhealthy for you.

    In regard to the key issue 🔑 , someone healthier, once you explained to him your anxiety/ OCD issue, would have tried to calm and reassure you that it’s okay, that he trusts you and appreciate your honesty, and he’d tell you that you don’t have to tell him everything.

    I hope that over time you will be more and more authentic, true to yourself. On this topic, you might want to read my reply to another member earlier today in regard to managing other people’s emotions. I think it applies to you too (the reply is the first of the two I submitted today, the one I addressed to “Confused”.

    Regarding the ice cream 🍦 thing- it’s very much related to the mask topic you brought up. Growing up (more accurate, growing in, as in inward, shrinking), I was masked 😷 big time. Was not authentic, severely focused on managing my mother’s emotions (what is SHE feeling?), that I lost touch with what I was feeling, so much so, that I couldn’t choose a “yes” or a “no”, nor could I choose an ice-cream flavor.

    Great progress thing, more authentic and maskless than ever 👏

    Back to W- not a good match for you. You need someone mature, calm, stable (which you suggested before would be boring for you 😴), but such a man, I believe, would be right ✅️ for you.

    By the way, what is your favorite ice-cream flavor (if 😋 any)?

    🤍 Anita

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