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  • #441197
    Gage
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    Hello im extremely new to asking the internet for help. Typically I’m a pretty self sustaining person. But recently my relationship with my girlfriend of almost 2 years now, has put me in a moral dilemma.

    My girl friend and I have pushed through many struggles in our time. We’ve known each other for about 10 years now but only recently decided to give a serious relationship a shot. I guess I figured I could handle all the imperfections, or maybe it was my own feelings of needing to please people. When we got together she had struggles with alcohol, harder drugs, weed, and multiple clinical illnesses/diseases. Through out our time dating it’s been mostly positive on the day to day, but there have been multiple times where small fights have erupted from various sources/causes. Nothing horrible, but crying and struggling to get the frogs out of our throats to speak are typically involved. Most of these fights we have over come and actually made great new lines of communication, trust, understanding, and victories, she is now 19 months sober from weed, and hard drugs, and just under 10 months sober from alcohol. We both have agreed to go to therapy, and have multiple sources of helpful information we can provide the other when our mental faculties are feeling a bit drained. However, there is one issue that seems to rear its ugly face every couple months. In her words she has “paranoid delusions of cheating” where she thinks that other people mainly my female friends are actively trying to steal me away from her because they look down on her. These problems often manifest from very benign situations that have no correlation to anything in the real world.

    The most recent episode was 2 nights ago where my friend had dropped off some cookies and eggnog for the new year, her and her mom made them and we have a tradition that they make those for me around Xmas/new years, and I cook for them around st Patrick’s day. It’s been like this for roughly 4 years. My girl friend had created a situation where my friend and her mother were trying to seduce me away from her with these gifts, and we got into probably our biggest argument to date. It’s the only argument where I have lost my temper and raised my voice and had thrown the cookies across the room (I was in a totally different room from her). I went for a long drive to cool off and returned home to finish the conversation. As it currently sits I’m torn between trying to stick out this relationship because I don’t feel it’s entirely my job to continue helping her solve these issues in her life, I have helped in many ways, and have typically loved doing it in the process. But she has also cornered me away from most of my friends on one fashion or another. And we have had this very problem show up multiple times, with new ways of trying to combat it, or new triggers causing it.
    I think I love her enough to push through, but I also feel my own mental status rapidly declining from having to walk on eggshells when it comes to my friends involvement in any fashion. She has made remarkable progress on bettering her life with quitting most of her vices, dealing with childhood trauma, and getting therapy on regular schedule and even taking medication to help regulate these things. But it’s also been a very precise “altercation” that has triggered her to get the help for the problems. Her drinking got bad enough she was drunk driving to work, out with friends, back to work, then home. It had to come to the point that I had to tell her if she took another sip, we were done.

    At what point do I take my own mental health into account? I’m torn because I refuse to give up friends for an easier relationship, but I also don’t want to give up on her because I think she’s capable of improving. Just not before my mental health plummets completely.

    #441200
    Helcat
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    Hi Gage

    It sounds like your girlfriend is dealing with a lot of issues and has been through a lot. You’ve clearly supported her. I can understand the frustration and anxiety about her behaviour, especially as this issue keeps arising. I think it’s healthy that you are focusing on taking care of your mental health.

    I have a question. Are you in therapy? When you have a partner who has unique issues like this it is often helpful to have a therapist to deal with any complicated feelings that arise as a result of the difficulties. If you think about it, it a way you are a caregiver to her and with that comes an element of burnout.

    You are spot on that you should not give up your friends to make the relationship easier.

    But I don’t think that the problem is related to you or even ultimately your friends. It sounds to me like she is dealing with massive amounts of shame and self hatred.

    I would think of a way to handle when she brings up this paranoia in a healthy way and set boundaries. Taking a break from talking about these things when you are both upset might be a good idea. Sitting next to her and giving her a hug might be helpful when she is upset.

    Quite often when people have arguments they are trying to communicate needs. Ultimately, she is seeking reassurance from you about how you feel about her. She is trying to make up for her lack of self-love with your caring for her.

    She is externalising the problem because she doesn’t know how to deal with her own feelings of inadequacy.

    I’m curious to hear your thoughts on what I’ve said so far?

    Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏

    #441211
    anita
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    Dear Gage:

    First off, I want to acknowledge the tremendous effort and care you’ve put into supporting your girlfriend through her struggles. It’s clear you have a deep sense of commitment and compassion.

    However, it’s essential that you prioritize your own mental health. Constantly walking on eggshells and feeling isolated from your friends has been taking a significant toll on your well-being.

    It’s not sustainable to sacrifice your own health indefinitely.

    You asked: “At what point do I take my own mental health into account?”- my answer: immediately.

    You ended your original post with: “I’m torn because I refuse to give up friends for an easier relationship, but I also don’t want to give up on her because I think she’s capable of improving. Just not before my mental health plummets completely.”- my response: I understand how torn you must feel. It’s commendable that you want to support her and see her improve, but it’s equally important to prioritize your own mental health. You shouldn’t have to sacrifice your friendships or well-being for the sake of the relationship. It’s crucial to find a balance where both of your needs are met.

    It will be best (if you haven’t so far) that you express to her your concerns and feelings honestly and compassionately. Let her know how her actions are affecting your mental health and the relationship and see how she responds.

    It’s a good thing that you both agreed to go to therapy (together, as a couple?). It can be helpful to discuss these recurring issues with a couple therapist to explore deeper solutions and strategies for managing her paranoia and building trust. It can be beneficial to seek support from a therapist or counselor individually. This can provide you with the space to explore your feelings, gain clarity, and develop strategies for self-care.

    Ultimately, it’s about finding a balance where both of you can support each other’s growth without compromising your own health and happiness. It’s okay to prioritize your well-being and seek a relationship that allows both partners to flourish.

    anita

    #441227
    Gage
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    Hello, first off I would like to thank you all for taking the time to read the problems of a stranger on the internet and give your own time and energy into your responses. I genuinely appreciate it very much!

    So for starters, yes, both her and I are in our own separate therapies, hers is introspective exposure therapy, and mine is interpersonal psychotherapy. She has a lot of trauma and I have deep seated roots to please people at the cost of my own well being. We have talked about doing couples therapy, whether through our own therapists or finding a new one (we would obviously continue to see our own throughout the process), but have not taken the steps to start it yet. The problem I have with that is that the problem could take months to see any amount of improvement, and I don’t know if it have the patience in me anymore to deal with another episode of this. We both actively contribute to open communication on our problems, passing thoughts, emotions, goals, ideas, and all the like. And we have had to fine tune a lot of methods in the process, which we both feel is part of the process. But these episodes come from seemingly no where, with blind triggers, and reason and communication is left in the dust. Nothing I communicate is understood, or comprehended. In her words “its like being blacked out drunk and hearing from somebody else what you said but don’t remember saying it, or even feeling that way”.

    As far as I know, she knows about her feelings of self love and her issues with externalizing them towards me, or at least she has with problems in the past. But this one subject seems to be a monster of a problem of its own magnitude and the methods she has used in the past for previous issues don’t seem to have an effect. As for those methods I can’t accurately explain what they are because they are very personal to her and how she regulates her emotions and thoughts.

    I guess at the root of it, I’m not sure how I want to continue this journey with her, we have talked a couple times since the incident and we both have agreed to talk to our therapists next week and hear their professional opinions on the matter. We have come to the conclusion that it’s best to wait for them, but we have also considered that it may be time for us to call it quits. She feels immensely regretful and ashamed about this, and says she doesn’t want to continue hurting me in this or any way. And has asked for one more chance to try and throw every ounce of every resource at getting better.

    But I am not sure if I can handle another episode. I never lose my temper especially with my partner, I never want to make my partner feel like they are unheard or not understood, much less feel afraid of me or feel threatened. And I did. I lost my temper and I threw the bag of cookies, and stormed off. I couldn’t process the information and my emotions got the better of me. I am afraid of causing further emotional damage because of that very instance. She’s been through a lot, and she deserves a partner who can be better, but I’m not sure if I am suitable to be what she needs. Not at the demand of my own health.

    #441246
    anita
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    Dear Gage:

    You are welcome and thank you for expressing your appreciation and for sharing your story so openly. Again, it’s clear that you’ve been incredibly supportive and patient with your girlfriend, and your dedication to her well-being is commendable. However, it’s also important to prioritize your own mental health and well-being.

    Your feelings of being torn between supporting her and maintaining your mental health are entirely valid. It’s common to feel a sense of responsibility for a partner’s well-being, but it’s also important to remember that you are not solely responsible for her progress. Besides you, there are other people in her life who also contribute to her support system. You don’t have to carry the entire burden alone, and she ultimately needs to take responsibility for her actions and decisions. It’s not sustainable for one person to bear the full weight of another’s progress.

    When she told you: “it’s like being blacked out drunk and hearing from somebody else what you said but don’t remember saying it, or even feeling that way,” she was comparing her experience during episodes of paranoid delusions- and abusing you- to the sensation of being blacked out drunk. When someone is blacked out drunk, they engage in behaviors and conversations but do not remember them afterward. They might hear later from others about things they said or did but have no memory of those actions. This analogy highlights her lack of control and awareness during these episodes.

    Given the challenging situation you’re in, pausing the relationship might be a practical and thoughtful approach. This time can allow you to prioritize your mental health and take a step back from the constant stress and anxiety you’ve been experiencing. It also provides her with the opportunity to focus fully on her therapy and work on gaining better control and understanding of her delusions and behaviors.

    Pausing the relationship sets clear boundaries and expectations, emphasizing that you need to see significant improvement in her behavior (to no longer be “blacked out drunk”, to start with) for the relationship to resume.

    It also offers a chance for both of you to reflect on your needs and what you want from the relationship.

    This approach can help reduce the intensity of conflicts and provide a healthy distance, allowing both of you to approach issues more objectively. It’s not about giving up on her but recognizing that your well-being is essential.

    What do you think, Gage?

    anita

    #441247
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Gage

    It’s good to hear that you have a therapist to support you through this. I think that your plan of waiting to speak to your therapist is wise.

    It sounds like you’re being really hard on yourself for losing your temper and throwing the cookies.

    You have a good level of awareness of your own difficulties. One way to think of this is as codependency. The issue occurs when you put your partner’s needs before your own. You do this out of kindness and a desire to help her. But the best way to help her is to help yourself. Tune into your feelings when these things arise and place a firm boundary and leave the room or the building when she cannot be reasoned with in this “black out” state.

    I would say that a difficulty with couples counselling is that it is hard to find a counsellor that doesn’t favour one party and I think that causes issues when a therapist takes sides. So if you do go down that route it is important to find someone compassionate to you both.

    I say this from experience. I have had counselling with my husband and it upset him and made the therapy pointless when she was being quite hard on him. I have also seen other couples experience the same issue too. Ironically, it was better talking to someone that knew us and cared for us both because they didn’t take sides.

    It is up to you both whether you decide to separate or stay together. I think that the fact that you are thinking about these things and considering your wellbeing is a great thing for you. Kudos and good luck!

    Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏

    #441253
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear Gage
    You & your friend/girlfriend have traveled a long way down the healing path
    She has managed to give up the narcotics & alcohol.
    From the many people I have spoken with over the years the drug & alcohol abuse has been a side effect to deeper core issues.
    In this case her insecurity/paranoia around other women (not an uncommon theme).
    In my early 30’s I was a waitress in a small community I always gave the woman attention & compliments and took minimal notice of their partner, so as not to rouse any jealousy.
    I have also been on the flip side when I was visiting my partner who was a lay person at a monastery. He introduced me to another visiting woman with just my name. She made it very clear that she wanted him & thought that I was in the way so after about 20 mins I got up dropped a kiss on his head( the equivalent to scent marking my territory ha ha !) & walked away. When he & I met up later I had to explain his faux par in not introducing me as his partner as she still thought he was single & up for grabs! we settled on the term ‘best beloved’. Although he & I discontinued the romance some years later we are still firm & supportive friends a decade on.
    I hope that both your therapist will give you pointers in how to start healing this particular sore area.
    kind regards
    Roberta

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