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  • #380128
    Ishita
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    Hey Anita and Teak

    This is going to be the thread where I ll want to have further discussions with you guys.

    So Anita you said

    “Thing is, Ishita, you were (very early in life) and can be again the person you wish to be without X: calmer, easier to understand, not inclined to screw up. You can feel stronger and you can trust yourself. Once you understand this, and become the person you wish to be, you will easily let go of X.”

    But the thing is since the past two to three years I have been finding it very hard to see things clearly  . Honestly, if not X, I always require someone or the other to make me see the solutions of  anything that tenses me, in a clearer way at times.

    It could either be my sisters or one of my close friends.

    For eg : I had been involved in one of a projects under my professor during the semester.Now one can take such projects out of one’s own will to explore and for some reason I just couldnt really align my interests to that project Nd however effort may I put in, I wasnt getting direction.And the entire semester I kept feeling guilty about not being able to make progress with the project and had got so stuck with it that I couldnt even pursue anything else I would have wanted to, during that time.

    Later on, I had a few conversation with one of my close friend and also few seniors, after which I realised that, it was just normal to feel that way about the kind of projects that are given to students in our collage. They are supposed to be monotonous and unless you really are into research, you would never really be able to make sense out of em.

    And I felt a bit bad, that I wish I knew that it wasnt such a big deal to feel that way and I wish hadnt beaten myself up for not finding interest in that project and to have taken my own time in completing it instead of being all anxious about it the entire semester.

    I judged myself heavily during that time for not having tried hard enough even though I knew I was trying hard

     

    #380130
    Ishita
    Participant

    And this is not first such incident, most of my situations where I end up feeling anxious, happens because I get too scared to see things clearly

    If you want I can tell you when exactly all this began or atleast I ll try to

    #380136
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    If you want I can tell you when exactly all this began or atleast I ll try to

    yes please do, I think it’s important to know when and in what context it began. You wrote that the anxiety around your studies and your performance began when you were around 17, during your entrance preparation training, when you couldn’t perform well due to a fierce competition, bullying by your batch mates, and lack of support by your teachers and coaches.

    What seems to me so far is that as a child, you were rather withdrawn and anxious and didn’t have many close friends (I have always felt that I am someone who is an extremely anxious person and I feel I am a difficult person as well because I dont easily make close friends although I have a lot of just friends. )

    But school was your forte, you excelled at school and it was a source of pride and self-confidence for you (this used to define me, being the smartest kid in the class, being really fast).

    When you experienced problems with your studies at 17, you lost the main source of self-confidence: you being a good student, excelling academically. Without it, you started feeling lost, you didn’t know who you are and what you want any more:

    since the past two to three years I have been finding it very hard to see things clearly . Honestly, if not X, I always require someone or the other to make me see the solutions of anything that tenses me, in a clearer way at times.

    You lost confidence in yourself as an excellent student. And with that, you lost confidence in yourself altogether. Do you think this is accurate?

    If so, it would mean that in the past, you based your self-worth and self-esteem on your academic performance, and with that threatened, you feel worthless, and not special. Would that be accurate?

    X made you feel special again, not for your academic performance but for you as a person (or so you believed). Perhaps you’ve never really felt special before for simply being you? This was the first time, and that’s why it hurts so much?

     

    #380137
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ishita:

    You were engaged in a college project and you didn’t see it clearly. You tried hard and harder and you still didn’t see it clearly: you either didn’t understand what the project was about, or you didn’t understand why you were doing it/ the value in doing the project (am I understanding correctly?)

    If this is the case, then what happened next is you got alarmed, thinking to yourself something like: oh, oh, this is another proof that there is something wrong with me, that I am a screw up. (Am I understanding correctly)?

    Next, you spent the whole semester anxious and miserable about the project. Next, you talked to a close friend and a few seniors and you realized that they too didn’t see clearly projects they were given in the past, which meant that you were not abnormal/ a screwup. You felt better but you regretted spending the whole semester being miserable about the project.

    If I understood correctly, then first, it is important that you talk to good friends and seniors early on, and if academic/ emotional counseling on college campus is available- best you take advantage of it and get help when you feel unclear and alarmed sooner than later.

    Second, notice that it is not the project itself that caused you all that misery, it is the alarm that you felt when you didn’t see it clearly. When you tried harder, and still didn’t see it clearly, you got more alarmed. Think of it as a fire alarm that was activated when there was no real fire. The alarm was activated by a thought, and nothing but a thought (“I am a screw up”), not by a real problem (you being brain-damaged or the like).

    Does this make sense to you?

    anita

    #380187
    Ishita
    Participant

    So, i ll first answer to Teak’s question

    What seems to me so far is that as a child, you were rather withdrawn and anxious and didn’t have many close friends

    Yes thats true, but I wasnt really withdrawn in any way, the problem was myschool

    All the insecurities that I developed in the 10year period of my school life was because I was a part of a school where the environment wasnt very friendly.

    When I try to think about it,

    I remember how I used to not be so good in sports and out of the love for outdoor games, I used to still participate in them, only to be treated in a mean way by my fellow batchmates, because they didnt feel I fitted with them.

    I was good in studies always and other things too, so I never used to allow myself to be bothered by not being too good at sports.

    But I remember how I used to feel trouble sleeping at night during those interhouse sports selection days

    Because I used to feel really anxious during that time and used to feel that the girls(who used to be mean to me) are actually way better than me in that game.

    But I was just a kid then, so I didnt used to hold on to anything as such and also, during my school life, my education was moreof, something that I pursue because I enjoy it and their wasnt really any pressure on me, neither from my family nor my own.

    But eventually when I started preparing for my entrances during high school,things changed for me.

    I had injured my leg while dancing in the second month at high school and had to stay on bed rest for around 2 months, the time when other kids had already started off with preparation and had joined some or the other coaching. This incident is after which I started losing my mind.

    I just couldnt go back to being relaxed.. And thanks to a few toxic friends(i didnt know the concept of toxic friends then, so I never really tried cutting contact with any one of em during that period, and it had impacted my preparation A LOT negatively) , they had a very negative competitive nature.. I used to feel that I am so behind on the syllabus that I would never make it.

    So basically I realised that the problem was, in the ten years of my school life at xyz school, i ended up developing a fear of competition I guess. Now it might be due to the environment at my school, that i got conditioned in that way, but now what?

    How should I stop getting stuck in every little problem of my life please help.. I get a feeling that I might be in need of a therapist, but I wont be able tp convince my family for the same.. And even if Ido, its real hard to find the right therapist so I wont be doing that atleast until I am done with my college

    I dont know if I should even write about these extremely personal things on a public forum, i hope no one figures out😓

    #380188
    Ishita
    Participant

    Hey Anita

    Answering to your post

    Yes I totally get it

    Infact I guess I sometimes relate to my situation as of the baby elephant (I dont know if you know this lesson but still I ll add the context). I had read this lesson as a kid i guess, where in a animal tamer used to tie a baby elephant with a tight rope everyday to some thing rigid, and as a baby, it might find it difficult to tear the rope.. But even after the elephant grew up, the tamer used to tie it with the same rope, but the elephant was already conditioned to believe that it wont be able to tear the rope apart, so it never tried to escape even after it grew up and was way more strong.

    Thats how I feel.. Might even be too much of victimization at my end, i dont know

    #380192
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ishita:

    I know the story of the baby elephant- if fact, I mentioned it to a few members in these forums over the years. I can relate to it myself because it forms the basic understanding of the learned helplessness I suffered from for many years. Learned helplessness is basically the emotional experience and behavior around the core belief that I CAN’T. There is much anxiety around this belief because when I can’t- I am powerless and stuck in unfavorable/ bad situations.

    Coming to think about it, looking at the title of your new thread: “Trying to find oneself again”- it about trying to find your I CAN again, isn’t it?

    anita

     

    #380244
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    if I understood well, you excelled at school, at all subjects but sports. But you loved outdoor games, so you participated in them, even though you were treated badly by your batchmates who “didn’t feel you fitted with them.”

    I was good in studies always and other things too, so I never used to allow myself to be bothered by not being too good at sports.

    But I remember how I used to feel trouble sleeping at night during those interhouse sports selection days

    Because I used to feel really anxious during that time and used to feel that the girls(who used to be mean to me) are actually way better than me in that game.

    Was there a selection involved, like only the best players were selected to play for a team, and you weren’t selected? Or how did it go?

    In any case, it appears you were very anxious for being rejected and criticized by those school mates of yours, who didn’t want you on their team, I suppose?

    But since you were still excellent at other subjects, you didn’t allow this to ruin your self-confidence completely (I never used to allow myself to be bothered by not being too good at sports.)

    However, when the time for college entrance exams came, you had bad luck and hurt your leg, and were 2 months behind others in preparations.

    And thanks to a few toxic friends(i didnt know the concept of toxic friends then, so I never really tried cutting contact with any one of em during that period, and it had impacted my preparation A LOT negatively) , they had a very negative competitive nature.. I used to feel that I am so behind on the syllabus that I would never make it.

    Your school mates would probably report to you what’s going on in classes, maybe telling you how super competitive is, how they have to work hard, and if you’re behind even one week, not to mention 2 months, you’re doomed to fail. Is this what was going on? You started to fear that you – the best student in class – would now fail and be left behind.

    This is where your anxiety really started to kick in, because now it was about your whole identity, not just about one side of you, which is sports. You said earlier that being “the smartest kid in the class, being really fast” was what defined you, what you identified with. It seems to me you based your self-esteem on it. If it turns out you’re not super smart after all, that you’re just average and there are other, smarter kids than you – then it means you’re nothing special. Is this how you were viewing it?

    At the same time, you say:

    during my school life, my education was moreof, something that I pursue because I enjoy it and their wasnt really any pressure on me, neither from my family nor my own.

    You didn’t feel pressured by your parents to perform well in school. So it’s not that they made you feel bad if you weren’t a straight-A student. Learning came naturally to you, you were smart and enjoyed school, and good marks were a natural result. You weren’t pressured by your parents.

    But somehow, when the pressure of competition was introduced, you suddenly became self-conscious and started questioning yourself. It’s like this new, competitive environment made you aware of a harsh world out there, from which you had been  protected till then, and suddenly, you lost your place in it. If you’re not the smartest kid in the class, then what are you?

    It appears that this confusion lasts till this day. You did say that you understand you worried too much back then:

    I wish I could go back and tell the 17 year old self ,how it was ok to let go, because there are bigger things waiting, and I will get it anyways( because now, when I am in college , I see an entirely different picture , to what I used to imagine then, and its so much better)

    But it appears you’re still struggling, cannot find your place, cannot regain that self-confidence you had as a child. At 17 you started believing you’re not special, and you still believe it. Your feeling special is linked to your school performance, it seems to me. I believe you would need to disentangle the two, and realize you are special, regardless of your academic performance. How does that sound to you?

     

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    #380247
    Tee
    Participant

    P.S. Also at 17, your teachers and coaches weren’t supportive of you. They told you they expected more from you. So I guess the people who till then praised you became critical of you?

    Even though you had support of your parents, teachers are an important authority in our lives, and can greatly influence our self-esteem. I wonder if you felt betrayed by those teachers?

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