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May 13, 2017 at 2:36 pm #149327wildoceanflowerParticipant
Hi Anita, Im back and fighting myself so much i just dont know what to do or where to go.
I have done everything wrong. I got in touch with my ex again, he led me along again, then told me no, he wanted to move on with his new relationship. He is definitely in turmoil and regrets her moving in so soon, but its his problem.
I also went and met his gf. I dont know if he knows about it. It wasnt the best thing to do i know that. But i HAD to. I wanted answers..and i got them. I knew he had lied about some things and at least i know. The fact he tried to deceive me means i feel its really through….but is it?
Every time, i come to the conclusion.. i say to myself its not ever going anywhere…and somewhere somehow there is a sign or feeling or i dont know what, and i am back wondering and hoping.
Last time i saw him he said i was obsessed to know about her. He was right, i had to see it for myself. She wasnt that great looking, shes older, she seems..a bit hippy, flaky (she told me shes a witch)…but she was ok. I never met his ex before me and she haunted us for months and months after we hooked up, causing a lot of strain….so i wanted to spare the wondering and the feeling that someone was watching me. I know he likes the games it creates, making his new girlfriend jealous, at least this woman knows me now, i told her that. I felt that was important. She doesnt realise it now, but she will probably later.
But what about me? So i save a life!
Another terrible reality i have to admit..he was doing hard drugs of some kind regularly before. it was a tough realisation that this was the cause of his split personality..he would blame all the resulting outbursts of aggression on me. He would do it when he was very stressed by work but mainly when he went with his old crowd. But nevertheless..i knew, he was a 50 yr old man..i accepted him totally as he was.
This woman thinks she can heal his addiction, shes sure of it. I told her he is never going to change. She shook her head, this woman has 2 children, i cant stand watching a car crash if i can prevent it. How can we all be so dumb? What is it about him?
Part of the pain of all this letting go is knowing that for sure, he will never change.. maybe i would rather dream and fantasize of him and what could have been than dare to try with someone new..I just have no desire to meet anyone else. I wish i could let it go so badly and im scared i will spend the next 3years miserable and alone as i did with my ex. I know my friends are sad to see me suffering so much and i fell out with my family.
I have never had such strong feelings like this before. He feels like my soulmate…i know it all sounds so wrong!
Tommorow, i feel i will wake up…and there will be another stupid sign, something to make me miss him. He said we had a strong connection and sometimes we would mentally align thoughts…i bought a hat recently and when i saw him he said he has the same one, we were both writing things on our hand…i would call him just as he was calling me ..what does all that mean?
May 13, 2017 at 11:14 pm #149363SusannahParticipantDear wildoceanflower,
do you know if there is a possibility to send private messages here? If there is, maybe you could use that if you have a question to someone.
May 14, 2017 at 7:50 am #149377AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
Your last line is: “what does all that mean?” I will suggest to you what it all means, based on my quotes from your post, above. Consider it, if you will, and let me know what you believe is true and what is not.
“Im back and fighting myself so much i just dont know what to do or where to go.”- you are stuck in the past, specifically in this past relationship, because nothing of significance happened in your life since that relationship and nothing of significance is happening in your life at the present. Neither is there anything of significance that you can see happening in your future. Your life is at a standstill.
“I have done everything wrong. I got in touch with my ex again”- because there is nothing happening, you go back to the last place where something did happen, for the purpose of having something significant happen in your life.
“he led me along again, then told me no, he wanted to move on with his new relationship… I also went and met his gf… It wasnt the best thing to do i know that. But i HAD to. I wanted answers..and i got them. I knew he had lied about some things and at least i know. The fact he tried to deceive me means i feel its really through….but is it?”- you are not done with him even though he lied to you because there is nothing of significance going on in your life, no meaningful relationship that you are a part of. In this isolation ANYTHING is better than nothing.
“Every time, i come to the conclusion.. i say to myself its not ever going anywhere…and somewhere somehow there is a sign or feeling or i dont know what, and i am back wondering and hoping”- You are back to wondering-and-hoping because a person can not live in a standstill isolation, a standstill of nothing-happening-life. A person needs a connection with others. Any connection is preferable to none.
“This woman thinks she can heal his addiction, shes sure of it. I told her he is never going to change. She shook her head, this woman has 2 children, i cant stand watching a car crash if i can prevent it. How can we all be so dumb? What is it about him?”- It is nothing about him. It is about the desperation of women: you and his current girlfriend. Maybe for her too, something-happening (even if it is leading to a crash) is preferable to nothing- happening.
“Part of the pain of all this letting go is knowing that for sure, he will never change.. maybe i would rather dream and fantasize of him and what could have been than dare to try with someone new..”- you have more faith in him changing (however unlikely) than you have faith in your ability to successfully initiate something of significant to change/ happen in your own life. In your mind, he is the only possibility of something happening, a connection, a meaningful, fulfilling life experience.
“I have never had such strong feelings like this before. He feels like my soulmate…i know it all sounds so wrong!”- it feels to you like he is the only possibility, your only hope.
“Tommorow, i feel i will wake up…and there will be another stupid sign, something to make me miss him…i bought a hat recently and when i saw him he said he has the same one”- today and tomorrow, a standstill. The title of your thread: “Unable to move forward”- a standstill.
Let me know, wildoceanflower.
anita
May 14, 2017 at 11:58 am #149405wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, thank you again for your help, again you give me some good and rational points. I sat and cried reading it. I just cant seem to come to that conclusion by myself. Ive rewritten this many times..my emotions have gone through everything, these days i can only expect more of the same. i cant get a handle on it.
Thing is that i have had some great support from friends, in particular trying to help me get out at weekends but they cant always be there and i need to meet more people. Reaching out to people is hard for me I feel unsure of myself, like my ex said..im a very private person and an introvert..he said I became so cut off at the end, and I know that’s true..i told him that we should have talked it out.
i miss his company so much. I just know from experience how bad it can be alone..even for him, a social extrovert..he said he couldn’t stand it..thats after he said he would probably be alone for a long time!
People generally arent too easy for me to get to know, im not a natural..i end up standing alone quite often.
She has convinced him that he is too old for me. She said it to me in that kind of pitying, condescending way. and he had also asked me if i thought he was too old, did i really want to sit with him when he was 70.
It makes me feel bad, i said no, i never saw him the way he sees himself and she has obviously played on his doubts.
We were together 4 years. his gf before me was the same age as me and he was with her for 7 years..this woman is just 5 or 6 years younger than him. I hate the rationalisation of that’s why it doesn’t work..its not the age, its how he behaves!!
Meeting someone is going to be so hard. I dont feel ready for it and i dont know where to start having fun when i dont have an outgoing personality.During the time i was with him i NEVER was attracted to anyone else so i am not that easygoing. I must have met him by total fluke because I remember I was really unhappy back then. So i wasnt giving out any vibes that i was aware of, i remember thinking i had given up..i met him at work, it was a social event! can you imagine the torture it was for me to do that work?
I have tried new things, been out a few times with friends, walked all over the place, taken boring aimless journeys alone..but i dont go out enough. My friends are occupied with kids and other stuff they have going. Im really hung up on not having kids too..it suddenly became clear to me that this might have been the last chance I got. I really wanted it all with him but he didnt.
Ive been concerned with money now im alone. I need another job but have not found anything so far, several other things are not coming through for me..it all mounts up.
In contrast, my ex told me not to worry about him because he made a lot of money last year, he bought himself a new car..i dont know why he felt the need to shove it in my face, since i certainly supported him getting there. i told him it was unkind to say it. And interestingly his girlfriend said he was worried about me …so why does he criticise me so much to my face? Since he was making all these stabs..i inadvertently returned the favor and said something unkind about the car..i could see he was hurt by it because it hit home about something someone else had also said..i felt regretful and also just a bit of ‘yeah, you deserved that’.
I know its about making steps forward, i guess i feel i made some and nothing happened, no new connections and no excitement..there is no miracle cure for me im just one girl of many, he had parties to go to, lots of invitations and met her within weeks and she was also outgoing and jumped as soon as she got the chance… i feel im waiting…for them to break up?
But the worst is just that i cant STOP. I think one thing and lay it to rest, but 1 hr later i think ill just text him this..he is sick of it and i am sick of myself. Its not that often, i left him alone for 2 months and only recently got in touch..but he doesnt reply and it makes me crazy. I guess because he didnt give me the answers i wanted i thought i could get them from her…i did, but i regret going now because i was emotional and she looked triumphant which made me feel worse..you said ‘ wow, youre beautiful!’ yeah, thanks but all the guys end up thinking they are somehow not good enough for me? how did i make them feel that? He told me it was good that she on the other hand has had lots of relationships..he said it means she is generous!!
this is my freakshow but not of my choice 🙁
May 14, 2017 at 9:01 pm #149443AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
I would like to read your post first thing in the morning, when I can be more attentive. Will reply then (about ten hours from now).
Till then, take good care of yourself!
anita
May 15, 2017 at 6:55 am #149501AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
You wrote: “I just know from experience how bad it can be alone”-
When I am alone, it is just me and my thoughts, the random thoughts that occur, the thoughts that follow, the “conversations” I have with people (all in my head, of course), the feelings that follow, worries about the future, memories of the past- lots is going on, in my brain, when I am alone.
The brain is sometimes compared to a computer. Using a computer/ machine term, our brain can be “user-friendly” or the opposite, user-hostile (a term I just made up). When you are alone, and your brain is user-hostile, you experience “how bad it can be alone”.
There are people who figure: if I think positive thoughts then I will feel good, but it is not that simple because we cannot hold on to positive thoughts long if they don’t fit reality or if we don’t believe them to be true. What I do in my healing process, healing from a very user-hostile brain, is to stick to thoughts that are true to reality (positive or negative doesn’t matter).
Remember I told you about my neighbor Betty? I saw her yesterday. There is another neighbor, J., who lives in a beautiful house as well, lots of land, view, she has adult children and grandchildren she is very involved with. She drives fancy vehicles, is healthy and fit, no financial worries and… she is unfulfilled, unhappy. Again and again, I observe that money, house, wealth, marriage-status, having children who are doing well enough, extended family… all those things don’t change the fact that when Betty and J are awake at night, their user-hostile brains give them a hard time. The nights are the worst for them because they have nothing to distract them from their distressing thoughts and feelings.
I believe that if you, wildoceanflower, had the house, wealth, being married, just like Betty and J., you wouldn’t be content either. At moments you will be, but most of the time, no. Contentment, well being, other than physical health, is about what we think and feel.
In that hostile-user brain, we think others are happy because they have the car, house, marriage, children, etc.- we think so but these thoughts don’t fit reality. We only imagine we will be happy IF we had this or that. And we only imagine others are because they have those things.
We do, as humans, have the need to connect with others- that is not negotiable. You have friends but they are not enough. There will never be ENOUGH for a person with a hostile-user brain.
I have more to write about your last post, but will wait to do so after your thoughts about this post, if you will.
anita
May 17, 2017 at 2:42 pm #149771wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, i have attempted several times to write back, but couldnt decide on what i would say, too many different things in my head.
I am aware that a negative though pattern and habit can have such a bad effect on my life. I certainly seem to think in negative patterns but am not so aware of it until others tell me. I am not sure how it came about really but i suppose you could assume it stemmed from my parents patterns..my mother was always discontented with what she had & created a belief that us women were oppressed so i was raised in a feminist but conformist way. Feminist because of the beliefs she had but conformist because no change was made in her life to alter that. This could, you would say, raise feelings of frustration..that the world is not made for you.
I dont know. On the one hand i feel that i have never wanted too much for myself, just enough. When i was younger, i remember i often had girlfriends who were jealous of me, they wanted so much..i would sabotage my own successes and fortune to try and make them feel better. This of course did not work, temporarily they would be happy, then something else would crop up. I never learnt how to assert myself in a good way. This may seem strange, but sometimes i felt my boyfriend was jealous of me in the same way. He felt the need to put me down..to make himself feel better, i felt i was strong enough not to be affected by it.
I have also seen wealthy people´s lives. I had a boyfriend who was a trustfund child and although he made sure he had a job and paid his way i think he struggled with feeling he was an authentic person. All of the older wealthy people he was around seemed so jaded and resentful. he was always upbeat and light but hid a lot of sadness inside..I was attracted to his positive nature and the same was true for my ex, both had domineering, larger than life fathers. My ex boyfriend´s best friend also had never had a job in his life. There was mental illness in his family and he was committed after a few scary episodes..i saw one of them and i have to say i was scared for my life, he was unrecognizable. now he has to take heavy medication on a permanent basis which has altered his character. I dont believe he was ever satisfied in his life. So, yeah..money isnt everything.
Even just in the way that i will tell you sad stuff is annoying, why can i not look at things in a positive way? I see how that is draining to others.
May 17, 2017 at 8:54 pm #149793AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
I am always glad to see a new post by you, whenever you can and choose to post is fine with me.
I like to read your posts in the mornings, when I have what I call a “fresh brain”- and so, in ten-twelve hours, I will be back to your thread. Until then, please do take care of yourself best you can, do something nice for yourself, however small.
anita
May 18, 2017 at 7:54 am #149829AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
When you were a child, and your mother was unhappy, discontent, complaining about being oppressed, you wanted to help her, didn’t you? It is natural for a little girl, watching her mother suffer, to want to help the mother, to make her happy.
You wrote: “my mother was always discontented with what she had”- and you were powerless to give her what she wanted, what she didn’t have. You were only a child, how could you give her the things she wanted (you didn’t have money or earning abilities), but you were able to do something for her, and you had to do something for her because you cared so much.
What you were able to do, I am thinking, is to ask very little for yourself, to have very little yourself and to sabotage your own success and fortune, so to make your mother feel better.
Maybe that was your way to express your loyalty to her (if my mother can’t have what she wants, I won’t either!)
You wrote: “i often had girlfriends who were jealous of me, they wanted so much..i would sabotage my own successes and fortune to try and make them feel better”-
is that what you did first with your mother who “wanted so much”?
Did she ever express jealousy at you when you were a child, expressing to you that you have a better life available to you than hers?
anita
May 20, 2017 at 6:34 am #150055wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, I am finding it difficult to write answers easily..what i think seems to change all the time. I feel i dont know what i think and then its clear. And it is still very much a rocky road.. i wonder when it will ever end for me, things have been so difficult lately. I have a work situation where i have done my best, i got results from my end but it feels like it will fall through. This happened to me before in a spectacular way..so im scared…its almost like the stars just dont want to let me have any success in life.
Yes my mom was a jealous person and wanted to be in control of everyone. I dont think they said we were luckier, it was implied of course. My parents bought things for us in a seemingly generous way but there were conditions..those things never felt like mine but i suffered guilt of being so lucky as others thought i was. My sister got out and away as often as possible and would have big fights with my mom if not, she now lives at a very safe distance and left me with the hard work! If there are issues she shuts down and disappears, i have always been opposite and faced things head on, needing answers but to my own detriment. I remember very well, as a young teenager sitting for hours talking with my mom about her problems, how she hated where she was etc.and me trying to council her as though i could do it. It was so draining, she is very judgemental and negative.
In any case now im older i see some unpleasantness about how she would interact. She supposedly wanted us to do well but when we did we were torn down, there must be a problem somewhere. She would act jealously. I see now, how messed up that is..
I generally feel let down by both my ex and my mom, as i see them as similar people who act selfishly. Their own behaviour ends up hurting themselves…they dont see that at all, they have no vision of the bigger picture and how it will affect people. its almost like they are compelled to make the mean comment, do the mean thing..but they do regret it later.
Last night i was thinking of how confidently his new gf said i was too young for him. I was watching a film called 20th Century Women which contradicts the premise of age.with a familiar line, “age is a bourgeois construct”. There may have been 11 years between me and my ex but he was the younger one in the most sense. To say i was too young for him is to be blind and determined to change him. He is really in every way, a young man…except in looks. I remember him getting his skateboard and going down the road a couple of years ago..he only realised he shouldnt do it because he fell off. He surfs and hangs out with younger guys..this is also his life spirit and what makes him happy. I cant believe that he would now want the opposite. he told me many times that he didnt like women his own age because of their mindset.
if we were constrained by our concept of age then nothing amazing would happen. And France would probably not have a new president.
May 20, 2017 at 8:21 am #150067AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
You wrote about your mother: “She supposedly wanted us to do well but when we did we were torn down”- that would create in a child fear of doing well, fear of being torn down.
You wrote: “I am finding it difficult to write answers easily..what i think seems to change all the time. I feel i dont know what i think”- this has been going on for a long time, for you, it being difficult to think clearly, not being calm enough to gain insight. In your distress, you obsess about your “old love”, your ex.
In the last post, you venture to the topic of age and the president of France because you are too distressed to consider more relevant issues.
How can a wild ocean flower relax, become calm and peaceful, I wonder, so that she can think clearly and come up with answers and insights into the relevant issues, so to be able “to move forward” (in the title of your thread)?
anita
May 21, 2017 at 7:23 am #150163wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
The issue of age for me is very relevant because it seems to be used often to make snap judgement of my ability and relevance. Just yesterday someone guessed me to be 10years younger..again! a broken record that i cant do anything about. It will come up again..and it certainly seems to have been used to rationalise the break up with my ex, seemingly his gf cemented that view in his head. It bothers me a lot.
I suppose i did, like any kid look for approval from my mother…and was always found not quite there, lacking. A bit like looking up to the popular kids in school or wishing you were outgoing i just couldnt be accepted. Striving for approval from someone who will never ever be happy enough is painful. It was the same with my ex who also critical of the things i did, they both had to be the authority.
I guess i wished too much that i was “good enough” to meet the approval, to finally be the right person. But there is always something in my relationships, an earlier ex said i wasnt ready for settling down and getting married when i was really perfectly ready, again i guess he just didnt trust and believe in me..thereby killing the relationship dead, another was ready to commit but only if i made all the effort and had overbearing family who were too controlling of him and bullying so i couldnt face a future effectively with them. It seems i always fall short of being the right jigsaw piece.
With my ex’s family i got on well with his mother, his step dad and his son..i thought that was pretty good going, in fact i was really happy. He had a younger brother who was a bit skeptical of me but ok, he met his partner just about the same time as us and his girlfriend also didnt really want to know me at all and instead would just meet up with my ex when she was in the area but not with me, which i found a little cold. i remember dismissing it that she just couldnt be bothered to relate because she probably felt we had nothing in common.
I see how some women really work at cementing their position in a new relationship. To be taken seriously women have to show they can cook, be helpful, clean and take care of any kids…i guess i just fall short too much. Not having kids myself at my age makes me much more of the outsider.
i never knew that life could be so difficult, that i would be told no so many times. it leaves me self-critical, confused, unsure and disappointed. So finding peace of mind …is nearly impossible when those things that i know other people take for granted as basic..family, love and commitment just arent available to me.
May 21, 2017 at 9:02 am #150181AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
I understand the relevance to you of looking younger than you are.
You wrote that finding peace of mind is nearly impossible when family, love and commitment aren’t available, these things being what other people take for granted.
If there is one person, one woman who is unmarried, not in a relationship and still, experiences peace of mind, then it is possible for you too.
You wrote: “i wished too much that i was ‘good enough’ to meet the approval, to finally be the right person”- what if there was no possible “right daughter” for your mother, that she would have been dissatisfied with any daughter she had? What if you were good enough from the very beginning and you just didn’t know it?
And what if there is no such thing as the “right woman” for your ex, that he would be (and is) dissatisfied with any woman in his life?
What if you are good enough and you just don’t know it.
anita
May 22, 2017 at 4:40 pm #150320wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
I know i cant stop obsessing over things but in this case it simply feels like….something has been wrenched out of my hands..my dream of a future, a woman came and placed herself physically in between me and my ex, because she knew if she moved in quickly that should work. And my ex, well..instead of communicating his unhappiness with me he just looked elsewhere and was easily led by fun because that is his motivation. I feel like i failed because i wasnt smart, i didnt pay attention, i didnt do the right things, i wasnt good enough. It was ME who had to be stronger.
The starsigns have been rather accurate…in the positive sense, they have saying i have to let go and move on. that i have suffered too much. Its all very rational.
I know im not the only one, people i know have had similar experiences and worse, men they loved who let them down. I feel resigned to that fact for my future. I guess my ex decided he didnt cheat on me because we had broken up already.. he had met her, but then wanted to start something with me again and was very frugal with the truth, leading me along so i had hope. When it came down to choosing between us, he chose her…surely that is me losing in life. I just get run over by everyone, its like i am holding the door open for everyone else to be happy.
May 23, 2017 at 9:38 am #150410AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
It is difficult to live with the belief and experience of “losing in life”, of getting “run over by everyone”, of “holding the door open for everyone else to be happy.”
And you have been living with this belief and experience for a long, long time. It means you are suffering and have been suffering for a long time.
And that makes me sad.
anita
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