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July 29, 2015 at 5:41 am #80722ElParticipant
I have been through a lot with my ex. After our 3 year relationship, we were on and off for 9 months (never had the title back and never committed though), I finally decided to let go and stick to it for the first time. You see, my ex and I were each others first loves. We ended up breaking up almost 10 months ago, and we still haven’t been able to let go.
Throughout those 10 months, things have been really rocky. He hurt me a lot, and did things that weren’t considered in how I would feel. You see, after the break up, he ended up sleeping with other people, hanging out with the wrong crowd, drinking excessively, and did drugs here and there. We are very young and I guess he decided that this is how to cope? I stuck around because I loved him and I didn’t want to lose him. It hurt that partying, hanging out with these older people, and drinking became more important than me. However, he admitted recently that he regrets leaving me, how he still wants/sees a future together (just doesn’t want a relationship right now), that he still loves me, and that I’m always on his mind. I believe every single word because he isn’t someone to just make these things up. If he doesn’t like you, he will let you know. Even his friend says that he watches him kick people he has known forever out of his life without a problem, but he can’t seem to let go of me.
I have come to realize that I have been fueling the fire by sticking around. He did whatever he wanted without putting my feelings into consideration because he “knew” I would never leave. It was the “I can have my cake and I can eat it too” scenario. I have realized I was an enabler in all of this because I didn’t let go either.
I have dropped any form of contact with him
He has tried different tactics to get me to talk to him, all of which was never an apology (he really screwed up the last time I saw him). It is like he doesn’t take responsibility for his actions. I decided not to tell him why I am leaving, I just left. I know if I were to tell him, it wouldn’t make as much of an impact, and it would make him think that I may come back.This is my logic, and I wanted to see how people felt about it: Sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder. We both need to experience life without each other for a little while and figure out what we want. If I continue to stick around, he will continue to treat me however he wants because he thinks I’ll never leave. I have to leave for both myself and for him. I don’t deserve what he has done to me. Especially after bending over backwards to make him happy. I feel as if once he realizes that he really did lose me this time, he will reevaluate his life choices. He already admitted to regretting leaving me and that he still wants me in his future. So maybe this could help him really think of what he needs to do with himself? I shouldn’t feel bad because he is the one who technically walked out. This is what he has been claiming to want, but then as soon as I take that step to leave, he freaks. So maybe right now this is what is best for both of us? Maybe this can not only help me, but it can help him too.
Do you agree or have anything to add to this? I just want to feel better about my decision. I think right now I’m just a bit uncomfortable because I’m finally leaving, but I just want to make sure what I’m doing is right.
July 29, 2015 at 9:27 am #80739AnonymousGuestDear El:
Obviously you are attached to him and he is attached to you. In addition to this obvious-to-me fact I believe you are taking his life choices personally, as if it is about you. You think that if he stops partying it will mean he loves you and that his partying means he doesn’t love you. In other words, you believe- do you?- that if he submits to you, if he acts the way YOU think he should act, that would mean he loves you.
But he has the right to live his life the way he chooses: drinking and partying (not drinking and driving or abusing others). You have no right to demand that he stops his behaviors (except the abusive to others behaviors, and specifically abusive to you, such as yelling at you, if he does so).
You have no right. He shouldn’t live for your approval just as you shouldn’t live for your approval.
Absence makes the heart fonder, the saying goes. It is a form of manipulation: let’s punish him by my absence and make him change.
You don’t like the way he lives, his choices, then separate your life from his just like you do from other people who drink and party. Let him be and take care of yourself, your life, make the choices that are authentic to you.
anita
July 31, 2015 at 5:51 am #80914ElParticipantOh my god you just totally took that the wrong way. I think drinking and partying is an understatement to what he does. Do you want to know what he does? He wakes up every single morning, mixes every single beverage with alcohol and drinks throughout the day. He drinks and drives. He goes to work intoxicated. He goes and does everything with alcohol in his system. On top of that, he got himself into the drug dealing business. So as a person who is COMPLETELY in love with him, I’m scared to death that something will happen to him. You have no idea what I have to go through every single day.
I know he is in love with me just as much as I am in love with him. This is not a form of manipulation. He came to be 5 weeks ago after screwing me over so bad and then claimed that he was depressed and suicidal. He used that manipulative tactic against ME to get me back because he knew I was for a long time.
Don’t you dare think I’m doing this in the best interest of me. If you think the things he does is justifiable, then I guess you support him killing himself. He is a 20 year old boy intoxicating himself and will probably end up with liver disease by the age of 25. And he has treated me like shit while I have taken care of him. So don’t you dare act as if I am some manipulative person when I am the only person in his life that loves him enough to take care of him. Which is exactly why he regrets breaking up with me.
Do you not see that I have no idea how to help him at this point? Do you not see that I am terrified? I don’t know what to do and I am just so scared he is going to end up killing himself or someone else.
August 1, 2015 at 4:41 pm #81031AnonymousGuestDear El:
In your original post all you wrote about your ex bf’s drinking and drugging is this: “after the break up, he ended up sleeping with other people, hanging out with the wrong crowd, drinking excessively, and did drugs here and there.” But in your reply to me, above, you wrote that he is a raging alcoholic from the moment he gets up in the morning, all day, drinks and drives, takes drugs and is active in the illegal drug business.
If the latter information is accurate, why didn’t you write it in your original post? It is severe enough to be mentioned beyond the relatively mild “drinking excessively” and: “did drugs here and there.”
In the original posst you wrote quite a bit about him hurting you. In your reply to me you wrote more about being afraid for his safety.
Dear El, there is nothing wrong about looking after yourself, your own interest (You wrote: “Don’t you dare think I’m doing this in the best interest of me.”) It is your job to operate for your best interest.
You wrote that you are terrified, scared he will kill himself or someone else. If he does drink and drive or drive intoxicated or engages in other dangerous activities, can you talk to anyone in his life that may be able to help? Notify the police about his drinking and driving or drug dealing so to encourage intervention? If he drinks and drives and drugs so badly, it is a problem way bigger than what you can deal with. Your absence is not likely to make a difference.
anita
August 2, 2015 at 7:30 am #81050ElParticipantDear Anita,
Because there is so much…okay?.. I’m so tired of going into detail and explaining everything. Plus, no one is willing to read long posts. I’ve noticed that. That’s why I wanted to talk to someone through here and give more details and explanations. I just felt that I had to be very discreet. You know?
I apologize for being misleading.I don’t know the times he drinks and drives which is why I haven’t.
I just know that whenever I leave, he begins to realize more.. But I haven’t been gone long enough. I come right back because I want to help. However, I feel like not giving either one of us space isn’t going to help. I feel like maybe just leaving for a while will help.
Can you see my confusion?
August 2, 2015 at 7:49 am #81052ElParticipantPlus I can’t really just talk to him about this. He is a very shut out person. He only talks about these things when he becomes desparate for help.
What happened was, he ended up standing me up. I stopped talking to him and everyday he would threaten that this is my last chance to talk go him or he was forgetting all the memories. I finally gave in and talked to him like my mom asked me to, despite the fact that I was sticking up for myself. He was so happy to see me. Then he ended up standing me up the next day. We didn’t talk for a week. Then he contacted me as if nothing ever happened and invited me to a party. I didn’t respond. He began finding different ways to contact me and I didn’t respond. Then he ended up calling me one night saying he needs my advice but since I didn’t answer, he’d find it from someone else. After that, he called me again asking to get together. I felt something was really wrong and decided to get together, despite the fact that he stood me up and hurt me so bad. I was there for him. For the first time, he apologized about anything, which was for not being there for me when my depression took a turn for the worst and I tried to commit suicide because last night he felt that way and he couldn’t imagine me living everyday like that. We ended up working things out. I was there for him. We were happy. Then he would make remarks to me about going to go and find a boyfriend. Just being a jerk. Then, he got really sick and I took care of him. Two days later, I ended up seeing him out in public with his boss that he slept with. That wasn’t much of the problem because we weren’t dating, but he lied right to my face when I said I knew where he was. He ended up confessing to me that no one thinks he likes me which is why he wouldn’t say hi to me if he had seen me. That was the most hurtful and humiliating thing that he has ever done. Then he asked if we could get together and talk later that evening and when I contacted him to do so, he became “too busy”. Tried to rush me off the phone. Was kind of coldhearted but still claiming he cares. He said he would contact me his next day off to get together and talk about us moving on right now. He never did. His next contact to me was a text from him of a URL that I ended up not able to open. Then the next day he needed meds from me because he was at urgent care. Then the next time he said he was stupid for contacting me, but he wanted to get together and talk about how our days went. Then the next time he called and left a message requesting the same thing but said he’d understand if I didn’t respond.
I haven’t responded to anything. Do you see now? He tells me he doesn’t want a relationship right now, but wants a future with me and wished we could move on right now. Then why I try to move on, he freaks and contacts me constantly.
Do you see how I’m confused? How I want to help him? How I can’t understand how to handle this?
August 2, 2015 at 7:50 am #81053AnonymousGuestDear El:
As I was reading your latest post this morning, a moment ago, I realize I was a bit scared, a bit fearful of your anger or irritation about me- it stemms from my childhood fear of my mother’s anger toward me. You see, El, I write here not only hoping to be helpful to another, but to be helpful to myself, to pay attention to what I feel as I read a post, and to learn more about myself. Even though I am not in your physical presence and you can’t physically hurt me, I feel fear. Or felt it. Will see.
Back to our correspondence otherwise: yes, I am often suspicious about people, knowing my own distorted thinking and observing others’ I am quite aware of how much inaccurate interpretations we all place of reality. Some more than others. But lots. Some people intentionally lie, others are … here I read your last word: “confused.”
I think AS I type. Now I wonder if you are entertaining inaccurate projections- often THE problem, in this situation. You wrote that previous absences from his life made him realize more- do you mean that temporary absences from his life caused his behavior to improve? Maybe he SAID he realized more but his behavior did not improve?
Maybe with a calm state of mind (calm is necessary to clear viewing), with a “beginner’s mind” – that is peeling of previous assumptions (example, the assumption, maybe, that previous absence/s from his life brought about improvement in his behavior) and seeing things anew. The confusion means you don’t see things as they are and/ or emotions run high- and these two are related!
I would say the answer to you is in the reality, in what-is. Remove what is not, what is not so, and you will be left with what is.
anita
August 2, 2015 at 6:19 pm #81094ElParticipantI wasn’t trying to come off as mean! The problem with not speaking physically is, we can’t read each others emotions. I could be speaking to you calmly, but you may take it as I am being aggressive, or vise versa! I apologize for concerning you 🙁
I just need some unbiased opinions. It is not as if I am confused about what is best for me, but what I get confused about is if I’m doing the right thing. I’m one of those people where I have to do the right thing, for everyone.. I never did what was best for me, until now. Even though he has hurt me and I’m doing what’s best for me, I love him dearly and I want the best for him. No matter what.
I guess I can explain my confusion as this, I have so many biased opinions coming at me and no one thinks I should be caring. Which causes me go become confused. Since I’m no longer asking friends and family for advice, I wanted someone unbiased to talk to just kind of comfort me through all this. I’m hearing what everyone is saying and it is hard. I love him and I don’t want to hurt him, but I think me talking to him will not be helpful right now. When I leave, he begins to open his eyes, but I haven’t left long enough. I keep coming back within 2 weeks. If he has me, he has no reason to better myself because I won’t leave.
He changed for me, when I never asked him to. He changed because I inspired him at one point. Just like I changed because he showed me strength. Trust me, drinking and partying is one thing, but he has taken it to the next level and I become very concerned. I used to get myself so sick. He has gotten so much better though.
August 2, 2015 at 8:31 pm #81102AnonymousGuestDear El:
I wish I could be of help. I don’t think I have been of help to you so far… and yet I am still trying… To my question, you answered that he did change in the past after some separation from you, that it is not that he only said he realized something but that he really changed. Well, I suppose separating from him, even for a longer time than before, is a good idea. It definitely couldn’t hurt.
Thinking about your own self interest is also a very good idea. Loving a person who is on a self destructive path is a big problem and heartache. Your last sentence, you wrote he hot so much better… So I am confused, but that is okay. I give up on trying to understand more about your situation. I “hear” your concern, your attachment to him, you wanting the best for him so very badly. You are sick with concern for him, from love for him, from wanting things to be different. If you choose the absence for a longer time next, I hope you have the strenght to follow through./
How about taking a week of absence from his life at a time. Will yourself to have no contact with him for about exactly a week and re-evaluate the situation in a week. Decide then whether to extend the no contact for another week. Break a difficult task into manageable pieces, one week at a time?
anita
August 3, 2015 at 12:15 pm #81134ElParticipantI’ve made it 3 weeks so far without responding or contacting him. I feel guilty when I ignore him, but it is as if I don’t have a choice.
I’m sorry I’m confusing you. It is so hard to explain everything in text. You know?
August 3, 2015 at 12:45 pm #81138AnonymousGuestDear El:
Don’t worry about confusing me. I am responsible for getting confused because I choose to continue to interact with you although confused. I am not that confused though. Congrats for three weeks. I think you are doing the right thing simply because not doing anything, which is what you are doing, that is not doing anything like trying to change him, control his behavior, rescue him, all that – not doing any of these, not attempting to do these- is the right thing to do.
Sometimes when being faced with a problem, one needs to do nothing. And in this regard, you withdrawing from contact and therefore doing nothing, I believe, is the right thing to do at this point, and about that- I am not at all confused.
anita
August 3, 2015 at 1:03 pm #81140ElParticipantAnita,
I really took time to think about what I felt so guilty. I have no reason to feel guilty. I did everything I could for him, and I was the best that I could be. So why feel so guilty? That’s when it hit me. I feel guilty because I know how it feels. I know how it feels to be desperate for someone you loves attention, and how it hurts deeply when being ignored. I know how it feels because that is exactly what it did to me. I would never want anyone to feel that way, especially when I care for them. But the fact that I know I am causing someone else that pain. Regardless of our issues, makes me feel guilty. Even though I am not seeking revenge, I know I am hurting someone. Which must be why I am so desperate to figure out how I am helping him by ignoring him.
I have to learn how to deal with this!
August 3, 2015 at 1:36 pm #81143AnonymousGuestDear El:
You are the one feeling it, not him. We can’t feel what another one is feeling. We have our brain, not theirs, so we feel what we feel. We then project into another what we feel. What we project may be completely inaccurate, accurate enough or partially accurate.
Here is my most intense experience with projecting: i watched my mother break down in pain many times. It was heart breaking for me, as a child, to see the person I loved the most in the world, the person I would do anything for – and did- hurt as much as I saw her hurt. I saw her crying, I saw so much pain in her eyes. I saw her desperation, her crying for help. I heard her voice, her words, talking in a shaken voice, volume going up and down, out of control, highly emotional, telling me of her misery, intense misery, on and on. I heard her say she would rather be dead. And i heard her say that in addition to all the misery she had since childhood and in the present I also added to it, how disappointed she was in me, how I brought her more pain. I wanted with all my heart and all my soul to make her life worth living. So much so that i decided at one point that my life is not important. that the only important person is she and only if i make her happy, will i have the right to attend to my own life. I believed having added pain to her, I had no right to live unless I first give her the happiness I was responsible for taking away from her.
All my life I saw her in my mind’s eye as a hurting little girl. I saw her as the good, innocent, hurting little girl. It was only in the last couple of years or so that I understood that i was seeing ME in her, that I was the innocent, hurting little girl I saw in her. It took me forever to understand that as she wanted to hurt me, that she intended to hurt me when she hit me with her open hand, back and forth on my face, telling me I was a big zero. And she was hurting me when she blamed me for hurting her. That it provided her with a temporary relief when she did so.
What does all that have to do with your boyfriend? I finally took responsibility for me being hurt. I sort of extracted MYSELF from my image of her and owned my own pain. In a similar enough way, maybe, what your are feeling that HE is feeling, it is you that are feeling it. That pain you believe he is feeling, it is you who is feeling it.
He is feeling whatever he is feeling. If you could implant yourself in his brain, you may be astonished, amazed. While he is feeling some hurt he may be feeling other things mixed with that hurt that you had no idea he was feeling.
Back to my example: while my mother was feeling hurt she was also feeling relief by hurting me, punishing me. I did not know that. I thought she was innocent. I thought she was feeling what I was feeling because it was me that was innocent. I had no idea she MEANT to hurt me, that she was FEELING A DESIRE to hurt me.
You don’t know what he is feeling, and unless he honestly tells you what he is feeling every moment, you will never know. In the meantime, while you imagine what he is feeling (because of you) you are feeling the deep hurt for being ignored. You are the one feeling desperate for someone to love you, to attend to you.
Does it make sense to you?
anita
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