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August 2, 2016 at 1:56 pm #111345KatieParticipant
Anita, you are most welcome; thank YOU!!!
Yes, a role reversal indeed. Funny enough, this is what my mom has also said when I’ve talked to her about my interactions with my dad. It is quite confronting when we get to the age where we realize how flawed our parents are. And find ourselves surpassing them in emotional intelligence…I guess it is a good thing, to want to move forward and past this junk.
August 2, 2016 at 6:29 pm #111369Miniature BodhisattvaParticipantHi Katie,
Looks like you’ve had some helpful feedback/notes from Anita, etc., but I will follow up to the questions you asked me (at least I assume you were asking – maybe what you wrote was purely rhetorical):
And I don’t know what this processing looks like? Sitting at home alone, reflecting? Just doing things that I enjoy? You can see how I feel quite lost and confused sometimes.
Processing is *exactly* what you said, sitting with the feelings and reflecting on them – pouring them a figurative cup of tea and ask, “OK feelings, who are you, what are you about, what am I to learn from you?” Listen to what they have to say, and say your peace in return. (I know this sounds a little new-agey/woo-woo, but I’ve found it works.) Give every feeling their own moment/attention: the ones you have about your mother, J, R, S, that jerk that cuts you off in traffic – everybody. Eventually the feelings will have said everything they need to and then they’ll be able to go away.
And yes, dealing with feelings doesn’t mean running from them or numbing them. (I hear you about doing everything you can to blot them out – food and television were my distractions of choice for years!)
I’m not saying you need to go into therapy, go on some meditation retreat, become a hermit (I mean, you can if you think it would be helpful!) – but do carve out the time. Posting on these boards is a good first step!
Again, best of luck to you my dear.
August 2, 2016 at 6:52 pm #111372AnonymousGuestDar Katie:
I am all for moving “forward and past this junk” to use your words. Hope you keep posting and that we keep moving forward to a better minds, better lives.
anita
August 3, 2016 at 12:35 pm #111447KatieParticipantMiniature Bodhisattva – Thank you for your answers!! Those questions were indeed not rhetorical, so I am grateful. 🙂 How long did you distract yourself with food and tv? It is crazy to me that I have only really had this awakening that my reasons for drinking and finding boyfriends have not been healthy. But I know this is the first big step on my journey towards a happier and more peaceful life!! Truly finding myself. I have been hiding for a while…experiencing the initial twinges of anxiety and then reaching for booze or a boy to try to make me feel better. It’s so temporary and in the end I feel further and further from myself. Just in these last two weeks while I have been not drinking and spending more time at home, alone – I can already feel more peace and balance. I know it might be fleeting, and anxiety and uncomfortable feelings eventually always find their way in, but I have learned that to sit with those feelings for a bit DOES NOT KILL ME. And I wake up in the morning with a clear head and having had a great night of sleep and feel GOOD about myself and the choices that I’m making. I have always been a loner and an introvert but I am human, so I do need human connections. This is where I find it hard to balance – sometimes when home alone, I am overcome with intense feelings of loneliness and anxiety that I will always be alone. What to do in those moments? I have a broken Led Zeppelin record in my head sometimes…”the best years of my life roll by, here I am alone and blue.”
Anita – thank you as always! I actually had an incident with my dad last night where it was immensely clear to me that *HE* is an extremely large trigger for my anxious and depressed feelings and thoughts. He is unable to provide even emotional support, which is all I have ever asked for from him. It’s really ridiculous and I would love to get into the specifics of it but I am starting to feel weird sharing all these details on a public forum. I think he is a master manipulator, obsessed with money, and super passive aggressive. I’ve only really taken notice of these things since becoming an adult but I know from conversations with my mom that these are traits he has always possessed. How crushing though, to at one time have been a real daddy’s girl and still carry around precious memories of childhood times with him but now see him for who he really is. I guess I should see that I am fortunate to have any positive memories of him at all. Still, I am left with this feeling that I might not have a choice but to cut him out of my life. He seems to be content to text me pictures of his food and dog and constant updates on his boyfriend, but when anything gets deeper than that he twists it around and the mind games begin. ughhhhh so much ridiculousness!!! He told me last night he needs to be free of the bullshit and crap from people he is related to and finds plenty of satisfaction and confidence in strangers and close friends. This after I asked him for advice on buying a home. Crazy, right? Sucks…
August 3, 2016 at 1:19 pm #111449KatieParticipantAnd now my boyfriend of the past 1.5 years has decided that we need time apart to focus on ourselves. I think he may be right and rationally I know that he and I are not right for each other, but why is it so hard to break up even if you know it has to happen??? I feel like it must be the feeling of rejection? He knows that all I need is for him to open up to me more and be more supportive but he just isn’t willing to do that so of course I tell myself it must be because I’M JUST NOT WORTH IT. I’m pretty devastated right now and want to crawl out of my skin. It’s like trying to squeeze blood from a turnip. I knew early on in our relationship that there was something off. But I just went with it anyway, hoping that it would change as feelings developed. How foolish. At 32 I have a string of failed relationships and I just wonder if I am capable of having a real and lasting connection with anyone ever. What am I doing so wrong.
August 4, 2016 at 8:00 am #111500AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
You wrote that at 32 you “have a string of failed relationships”- how can it be not so? The three adults in your young life: your mother, your bio father and your step father were unreliable and abusive in one way or another. You, as a baby, were a clean slate. What you became was a result of your interactions with these three. Those years are called our Formative Years because our brain is formed, connections are made, many, millions of connections. Since the adults in your young life, in the two decades of your childhood were grossly incompetent, at the least, to parent you well, the connections made in your brain are understandably not congruent with a healthy relationship.
It can’t be otherwise until you weaken some of those connections and built others, in other words, it can’t be different until you unlearn old thinking and believing and learn new thinking and believing.
One thing to unlearn is the belief that you are unworthy. Who the three adults were in your young life was never an indication of your worth- they all preceded you.
It takes therapy with a competent, empathetic, trustworthy therapist to uncover the old core beliefs, the dysfunctional MOs and learn new.
You asked last: “What am I doing so wrong?”- here are possibilities and you are welcome to develop any or all:
1. You choose men according to whom your mother likes (as if she has exhibited good choices of men in her life)
2. You are still trying to reach out and get acceptance, worth from either one of the three (mother, father)
3. You are still not seeing clearly who your mother is, who your father is and therefore, you are not seeing who you are. The former is a condition for the latter: you have to see who your parents are before you can see who you are.
anita
August 9, 2016 at 1:59 pm #112000KatieParticipantJust want to thank you Anita, for your consideration and responses. Don’t really have a lot to add…however your insight has definitely caused me to examine my relationship with my mom in a new way. Could never really get a clear picture of why our relationship might not be the healthiest, but now I see that it’s because she WAS and really in a lot of ways still IS my main caretaker (not that I need one now, but she does support me to some extent). So I have taken on her perspectives on things and because she was so in and out emotionally, it makes sense that I would be constantly seeking approval and have anxiety about everyone in my life doing this in and out thing too. It’s hard when I want to move on and move forward but I don’t want to leave her behind. I want her to always be a part of my life. I can’t imagine her not being part of it and truthfully I don’t feel that it would need to come to that. I just hope I can figure out a way to separate without actually cutting her off.
August 9, 2016 at 6:57 pm #112013AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
I am glad you are back to your thread. Even if you ended all contact with your mother, you would still need to go through a long process of a mental separation from her. You suggested in the last line that you hope to separate from her while remaining in each other’s lives. The way to do it, other than in the context of psychotherapy, is to pay attention in your interactions with her to how you act around her and how you react to her. Paying attention, also known as Mindfulness is a necessary skill I started learning in therapy. Can’t heal without paying attention.
We normally act and react automatically, without being aware and so we keep the same old same old, not healing, not moving forward, not making needed changes.
To make needed changes in your interactions with your mother, pay attention- it is mind boggling what you find out when you notice. Some of the interactions with your mother are unhealthy. Identify them and change them.
Maybe you can keep a journal with notes of things you find out by being mindful daily, to your relationship with your mother and with anyone and everyone else, even interactions with strangers.
Hope you post again and again.
anita
August 10, 2016 at 5:25 am #112040KatieParticipantyea Anita, I think you are right on with this and appreciate the hope you have given me that I can maybe start moving towards more healthy interactions without therapy since I’m really not receptive to that in this moment (don’t feel like I have the time, finances, energy and not really sure I *need* it). I have found that when I am intentionally not being reactive and am more mindful, obviously I feel better and am able to communicate better without feeling guilty afterwards or out of control. It’s easy to let myself react and just use the excuse that I am an emotional person but I don’t want to continue doing this to the detriment of myself and my relationships. Something I need to continue to practice. Thanks Anita 🙂
August 10, 2016 at 8:00 am #112045AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
You are welcome. Since you are not able and/or willing or needing psychotherapy, Mindfulness, then is Key.
Be mindful, aka pay attention, not only to your reactions but to the actions of the people around you. Your mother is the most significant person in your life still, so pay attention to who she is. It is so important because in determining how to act with a particular person, you have to know WHO that person is.
You’d think you know your own mother, but oh, no. Parents and adult children are the least likely people to know who the other is.
Who is your mother? For one, she has displayed bad judgment about the men she married and she displayed bad judgment about staying with an abusive man and about having sex with him after separation for a couple of years, if I remember correctly. She is not dating, hasn’t for a while and so she has little to no experience in making a good choice in men and she has little to no experience in having a good relationship with a man.
Logic would say: you should not listen to her input on your choice of men and on your relationships with men. Simple logic, isn’t it?
Stay with this point, if you will, re-read it.
Whenever you took your mother’s input seriously regarding men, you did because part of you believed she is wise about men. But that belief is incorrect. If you see your mother objectively regarding her choice of men and her relationships with men, then you would know, really know that on these issues she is very unwise and therefore, taking in her suggestions and comments regarding your choice of men and the nature of your relationships with men is very unwise.
This is just one little exercise in mindfulness, this last observation. There are many more and if you make them over time, you will learn WHO your mother is and therefore how to act with her.
anita
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