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  • #301859
    Loelle
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    Trying to keep things short but that never works with me, lol.

    My fiancee and I have been together for just over 2 years, and started living together 8 months ago.

    He lost his job about 3 months ago and has been struggling with finding something new that pays well enough, and is something he will actually enjoy. He insisted not going back to a corporate job which I fully understand and support (I am also trying to leave my corporate job). He seemed ok with his job situation at first but it seems to bother him a bit now. I asked him what his plan was and he wants to wait until his unemployment is up before really “looking”. We have argued about this. We’ve also just dealt with an unplanned pregnancy and termination less than a month ago, and I know I haven’t been the most cheery during this time. He tells me he understands.

    I used to be awful at communication. This man means the world to me and this relationship has taught me how important mindful communication is. The thing is, I have not excelled at this. Due to prior relationship trauma I feel like I need to “over-protect” myself and my insecurity will influence me to come off as a bit pushy and uncompromising when I feel I am the only one advocating for the relationship. I have been this way to him the past few months about my concerns wanting him to be more proactive with him finding a job in particular.

    After a few weeks of distance, I confront him and ask him to communicate. He essentially breaks down and tells me he is confused on the direction his life is going and doesn’t know if he can be a good half to our relationship with the direction it is in now. He wants to live in a van outside of a casino and play poker (he’s very good, and playing poker is how he has been paying the bills). He knows I can’t do this because I have a dog and 2 cats (that he loves dearly). He says he doesn’t ever want to buy a house (not in relation to our relationship, but for himself in particular), doesn’t want to spend money on a wedding ceremony (we both wanted to elope, but family has been pressuring for more), does not want to take any vacations (we have one planned for later this year and I told him I understand if he can’t bring himself to go).I handled the conversation gracefully and expressed how much I love him and I want him to do whatever he needs to do to be genuinely happy, and that I love him more than I love homes, vacations, etc… I get very excited about “ideas”. Lately I’ve been zoned in on buying a house. He is very unconventional but is full to the brim with love and while I am a bit more practical than him, I don’t need those things either, and don’t have a strong draw to them, but I do get excited by novel ideas and can get pushy with them. The entire time I was planning things for us he did not give much feedback aside from (usually) positives, and did not express that he did not want these things too, although I knew he was not interested to the extent I was.

    We had a follow up conversation about this a week later to kind of make sure we’re still on the same page of where were at. We did not discuss how much distance he needs or for how long. We discussed how much we love each other, how much we learn from each other, how grateful we are for each other and I expressed support for him “finding himself”.

    It has been a bit difficult identifying how to react especiallywith each other at home. He stayed out all night 2 nights in a row, without updating me that he would not be coming home. I woke up in the middle of the night the first night at around 2 a.m. freaked crying about his safety. He has never done this. Second night I understood what was going on and didn’t panic, but could not fall asleep again after waking up again at 2 a.m. He said he had a marathon talking session with a close male friend the first night, and just meditated in a parking lot the second (when he came home each morning he let me know what he did, and both nights I’ve been able to verify). He has been warm and cool with me, it seems as though he wants to show affection but is afraid. We hadn’t had sex in a while and he initiated the other day. He voluntarily texted me yesterday while I was at work even though the last 2 days at home we’ve done our own stuff inside the house with little to no interaction. I am confused with his mellow but erratic displays of affection. The day before yesterday he invited me to go grab breakfast with him and in the car he told me he wished I was sitting with him when he was meditating in the parking lot the other night. I am nervous of being friend-zoned and want to avoid that.

    His parents are on vacation this week and we thought it would be a good idea for him to spend the week there alone to sort through his stuff. He intends on a taking a road trip to visit his best friend that he hasn’t seen in years after this week.

    I don’t know what type of distance to give him. We can’t be completely away when we live together but luckily this week and maybe he next will give him the break he needs. I feel like in some ways he wants my support (left him 2 short, random notes around the house which he thanked me for and expressed he liked) but I don’t want to coddle him if he needs to separate himself.

    I am a big fan of self improvement. Everything I consider a detriment of myself that I’ve mentioned above is actively being worked on for myself first, and for him or a future relationship, second. I am not always aware in the moment. I wish he would have discussed his concerns with me before it got this far, and I wish I would have slowed down and really noticed his hints. I don’t know how long he would have been quiet had I not brought it up.

    I’m not really sure why I’m posting :/ I guess I want to get everything out and desire an unbiased view of the situation and what you think the best way to go about this would be for the sake and health of both of us. Do I completely pull away? Do I support him when he comes to me and ignore him when he doesn’t? I am afraid to reach out to talk to him more because I don’t want to interrupt his processes.

    #301865
    Anonymous
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    Dear Loelle:

    I think that he is not ready to get married, not if you think of a marriage in any conventional way, such as the husband is to sleep with his wife every night, to let her know if he would be late home… not live in a van outside a casino… have a job, these are a few things that come to mind.

    I wouldn’t refer to him as my fiancé anymore, if I was you, but as a live-in friend/ boyfriend who may move out at anytime, and who “hasn’t figured things out” yet, just like he said.  First thing for him to figure out is finding a job that is not a corporate job, has an interest for him (even if it is not a thrill for him), and which may lead him to a career that he will find interesting and be good at.

    anita

    #301863
    Lorissa
    Participant

    Apologies for formatting, I browse a lot but I have never posted here before.

    #301901
    Peggy
    Participant

    Hello Lorissa,

    One thing that jumps out at me from your post is that you are very focussed on what your partner does or doesn’t want without giving much of an indication about your own needs, wants, desires and ambitions.  Here are my thoughts on your situation.

    1.     Change:  Change is always unsettling even when it seems positive like moving in together.  There has been job loss and unwanted pregnancy.  These three things all have the ability to cause stress.

    2.     Commitment:  You both need to be committed to this relationship.  He doesn’t want to buy a house, have a wedding, take a vacation.  On top of this, he stays out all night without telling you of his whereabouts, leaving you to worry.

    3.     Responsibility:  He wants to live in a van outside a casino playing poker to pay for his keep.  He doesn’t want a corporate job (assuming he could get one) and hasn’t managed to find an alternative job in which he can be happy.

    4.     Space:  Give him the space he needs to sort out his own stuff at his own parent’s home and and encourage him to visit his best friend that he hasn’t seen in years.

    Two weeks isn’t going to be anywhere near enough time for your partner to sort out his own stuff.  I don’t know whether he lived with his parents immediately before moving in with you but it’s back to his comfort zone.  In this same two weeks, you will have the opportunity to think about what it is that YOU want.  Perhaps you will set some time aside to meditate on this.  The whole point about meditation is that you are in your own space so it hardly matters whether or not you were in the parking lot with him.

    Here is my advice – I think I said it above.  Make the next two weeks about YOU, YOU and YOU.

    Best Wishes

    Peggy

    #301903
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Loelle,

    You’re asking a very unconventional guy to live a conventional life. Not happening! Not happening gracefully, at any rate.

    The pregnancy and termination probably made things “real” for him. Wanting to buy a house is another “real”. A wedding with all the trappings is yet another “real”.

    Think! Raising a child can cost half a million if raised with “everything” including college. A house (buying and upkeep and taxes) can cost 100K, and a wedding can cost 10K at least! Of course you can make those numbers a lot less. Or a lot more.

    Unless you yourself are a millionaire, I would drop at least some of those dreams. If you want a kid, maybe get a town hall wedding and rent forever. Or have no kids and go for the wedding your parents always dreamed about. Or nice home, no kids, town hall.

    The guy is freaking out. Meet him halfway?

    Best,

    Inky

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 4 months ago by Inky.
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