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Murtaza
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Since when i said that “yes anita you are true” and i followed it with “not accurate” from now i will try to be as detailed as possible, and as short as possible (without repeating hopefully

 

even a dream about being close to another person in a loving way makes us feel real

Its more like when you dream so much that you feel werid when you wake up, since i didn’t remember the dreams, but only felt them, werid.

 

“Is my understanding in this paragraph 100% accurate?” You answered: “Yes anita, as always”

If i remember correctly at that time, i saw your understanding (the bigger picture of it) as true, when i said it wasn’t accurate (there was few definitions and words that i would’ve changed, but the bigger picture still true, the result is the same, i just re read your post, i apologize, i should’ve been more clear, so now im gonna state what wasn’t accurate in your 1-4 points (its repetitive from my past posts, so skip if you don’t care anymore)

 

1) your pessimism is a disease that is eating you alive

I said pessimism as a shortcut, i admit that one of my problems is that i don’t care about the other person opinion of what i say, thus i mostly say anything without seeing the other pov, back in the days it used to hurt when i look at myself through people eyes, still does, so i didn’t anymore, so i might say some things that hard for the other person to understand

 

To answer your point, i don’t think its just pessimism, i believe its a collection of things (personality) a full package, not only pessimism, not only a desire not to change, not only a few bad beliefs about the world, not only a horrible attitude towards life, not only a strong need for truth, not only apathy, not only a desire to be independent, the whole package put together, makes it more like a disease

 

2) there is no cure for it, no hope whatsoever to live without this disease

As stated above, its a full package, inside this package is a desire not to change, even if there is hope to change a few things about this package (personality) it won’t allow him, so i wouldn’t call it a disease, because there is no cure, one example of this package is apathy, now if you ask how to cure apathy, the answer most likely would be “to care” (i know it isn’t that simple, but in a way or another this what they say), the thing is the cure and the disease is the opposite, imagine if someone has too much apathy, how could you blame him for not caring? Its like blaming someone who has diabetes, one thing to do is to add motivation (something that he loves) but even then he can be apathetic to such, if you see anything wrong tell me, i haven’t thought very much about this

 

What im trying to say its more like a paradox, you need the cure to be cured, but how can you have the cure when you have the disease? Im thinking of your response “black and white” because apathy is degrees right? It still wouldn’t change my argument.

 

3) the only way to stop the disease is in death

The only way to change is by death, or a similer scenario from 1948 (when the main character get tortured to change his views) i know the latter doesn’t exist, but the first can be done

 

4) you have good times but those aren’t worth it

I believe that its not very much about the good times, but more likely how i see them, i believe even if i had the best life possible that i still wouldn’t consider it worth it (unless ofcourse i have a different mindset)

 

Give me your 2-4 lines straightforward, clear definition of the term, and we can see if we are talking about the same thing

In your above post you said that it angers you thag i argue, so i asked if you wanna argue about freewill (so that i don’t ignore your definition and what you said about it)

 

To answer your question, my definition would be “an action that doesn’t has an uncontrollable cause” to support this definition i should say that i believe everything has a cause “determinism” and that every human action has a cause, to take your example “you don’t hit the dog” i would say that its determined on what comes before, the good example would be that you sometimes can’t control your anger and sometimes can, do you control this ? Or is it somehow depending on the situation? Ofcourse thinking that you in control, believing in such, make you more in control, but im not talking about whats the better believe, im talking about what is true

 

I should say that even when i don’t believe in freewill, i do think i can control my emotions and feelings, im not removing the will itself, but when i do not control my emotions or feelings, i simply know that there was too many factors that i simply cannot know that interver with my decision, in a clear example (why did i not control my anger in scenario X and i did in scenario Y?) I believe that we create reasons based on our understanding, but when it comes to reality those reasons aren’t even close, for example they did an experiment with people and asked them about things while giving them hot and cold water to hold, thier answers was different depending on the temperature of the cup, if its warm they answer more nicely, if its hot they answer more harshly, imagine this little thing, this external thing can change a whole answer we tell ourselves, then how would we change our minds when it comes to the internal?, i sadly don’t have any evidence for such experiment happening, though where i heard it from is a very reliable source (to me maybe), its sam harris, a modren neuroscientist, he actually  influenced me a lot

 

There is more depths in the freewill subjecte, but i wanna end it here to see your response, to just mention something, little morden philosophers believes in freewill, there is “compatibilism” which the majority of people now believe in (because of determinism).

 

To back to your post

 

when a person is arrogant, thinking he/ she is superior to you and therefore is here to tell you what you should think and feel so to.. be less inferior that you are (?)

I think that people see what im currently in as a (phase) and that they all got through it, it  underestimate my suffering, and they advise under this assumption, and i hate when someone underestimate my suffering, especially when comparing, when i see the result of thier life, they have a normal thinking brain, less apathy, a desire to change, and they dare compare themselves to me

 

and yet others are nice people who do not see you as inferior to them, people who are really reaching out to you with a pure heart

 

Nice people? ture, can they help  me? False, is thier help appreciated? nope, because it only makes me mad or frustrated, or gulity, i won’t lie and say thank you, the best i can do is ignore them, the worse is to answer them in a passive-aggressive way.

 

i just don’t want thier help, although this means most people, and it actually makes me sad, that i lost nice people for that

 

I can see that they do not have it all-together, far from it

I wonder if you want to criticize me what would you say? (Anything allowed ofcourse, and don’t think if its hurtful, i can take it)

 

Also, you’d think arrogant people are confident- far from it).

Its only a mask to hide the low self esteem or other things, i believe that some of my arrogant comes from that, since i have this really low self esteem

 

this is the healthiest/ wisest thinking I read/ heard in a long time. I am positively impressed!!!

I never thought i would be called healthy lol, thank you for the temporary confidence boost lol