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August 6, 2014 at 9:00 am #62749Little CoconutParticipant
Hi everyone. Thanks for coming. I really need ears right now.
A little bit about myself: I’m currently 23 and live in Los Angeles. In High School, I pursued theatre and was good at it. My hobbies were theatre and writing, but considering how social theatre was (and I longed to be social in school), I gravitated toward that. In college, when it came time to declare a major, I picked Media Arts and Design, and figured that I would go to Hollywood one day and write/produce TV Shows. I studied theatre and creative writing as minors, and bopped around the various classes, picking and choosing different things based on interest and what people expected of me. I did roles in plays, a few leads, but I certainly wasn’t in back-to-back performances every year (our school had a huge theatre department.)
In between my sophomore and junior year I lived in LA, working at a pretty noteworthy production company where I did a little bit of coverage here and there. I was generally turned off by the film industry, and met a lot of people who I considered “successful,” but didn’t seem very happy. This made me want to move to NY and pursue the entertainment industry there. Around graduation, I considered immersing myself in theatre, comedy, improv, and writing. For some reason, I quit a sketch comedy group to write for a feminist magazine. I worked on film projects with my friends and had fun. When it came time to graduate, I had a six month contract for a theatre, and that was amazing. I tried a little to get theatrical work following that, but the money was terrible and I wouldn’t have been able to have work on a week-by-week basis. I decided to move to either LA or Chicago. When the winter from hell came, I moved to LA last March.
Since then, I’ve found little to no motivation to pursue the entertainment industry. It’s really freaking me out. Am I lazy, or is it something that I don’t want? Instead, I’ve been doing a lot of nonfiction writing and trying to get published on blogs and in online magazines. I’m working an editorial and writing internship, which I really like, and has the potential to turn into a long term career. People in the industry tend to say: don’t get in the industry unless you really want it, and I’m not sure I do. I still feel a bit of envy for my friends who are moving up in the industry, but I keep thinking of reasons why I don’t want it. I don’t even know if I like LA, and am considering moving to a smaller city where there are lots of things to do (wine tasting, theatrical performances) but still a sense of simplicity. Everyone has always told me, “you’re going to be such a famous comedian, you’re so funny!” And now I don’t know if thats something I want. When I do go to improv classes, or try to write sketches or sitcoms, it’s because I feel expected to. I love writing, and maybe I would feel differently if I were successful in the TV industry and writing shows I cared about. But I don’t want to spend 5 years of my life as a PA just having my fingers crossed that it might work out. I’d rather be writing, traveling, working in vineyards, writing for cookbooks, or starting a family. What’s wrong with me!?
Summary of this is all is essentially: I feel lost and unsure of what I want. I don’t know if I’m not pursuing the television industry because I am afraid of the hard work, or because my “gut feeling” is steering me in a new direction. I’d like to think it’s the latter, because I don’t really want to do TV right now, but I’m afraid I’ll regret it. Which is the right voice, or how will I know?
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August 6, 2014 at 10:39 am #62757The RuminantParticipantBut I don’t want to spend 5 years of my life as a PA just having my fingers crossed that it might work out. I’d rather be writing, traveling, working in vineyards, writing for cookbooks, or starting a family. What’s wrong with me!?
Well, who wouldn’t rather be writing, traveling, working in vineyards, writing for cookbooks and starting a family? 🙂 I know I would!
Do what comes naturally. If you’re meant to become a famous comedian, then you will get there in time. I’m detached from the entertainment industry, but I would think that there would be a lot of very desperate people trying to move upwards, and you’d have to be competing with them. Desperation stinks, so if I were you, I would much rather let myself shine and be noticed by doing things that feel good! Be creative doing what you love and keep being social and making contacts. People love to be social with those who are enjoyable to be with, not with the people who are desperate.
Jealousy is normal, but don’t let that derail you.
…and don’t do what people in the Internet tell you to do unless it feels like a right thing to do 🙂
August 7, 2014 at 4:03 am #62810WillParticipantYou will know which voice is the right one by following one of them and watching whether that makes you happier or more wrapped up in doubt, stress and misery.
I know which I would choose, but I’m not you. I’ll just second the Ruminant in saying I don’t think there’s anything wrong with you if you choose NOT to work in television. Lots of people choose not to work in television. Not because they couldn’t make it, but because they just don’t want to.
August 7, 2014 at 8:48 am #62824Little CoconutParticipantThe Ruminant, thank you for those words. I’ve never thought about it that way: simply shining instead of striving to battle with others.
Will, that is a good point. I think one of my struggles is ditching what others think/what I feel I’m expected to do.
August 7, 2014 at 3:18 pm #62845Heather OrtizParticipantAmanda,
I was drawn in by the title of your blog post, as I can relate to some degree in your predicament. I am 26 years old and going on 5.5 years as a Chicago transplant (previously in San Diego and Phoenix). Yes, mirroring the cold brutality of the NYC winter months, I as well was ready to book it outta here in March. Sadly, my own self-doubt and uncertainty (amongst more practical matters) has kept me here four months past expiration and finally ready to move back. Nevertheless, I’ve gained a deeply profound bit of insight that I’m hoping to convey clearly to you; from one happy wanderer to another in a moment of question.
Similarly, albeit none the less sincere, I joke of going through my own pre mid-life crisis; having strived for the standardized approach to epitomizing “success” – as defined by our westernized/modern culture – in Corporate America and recently stepping away from that path completely. This seems to be where you’re at in your life. I as well, in a varying degree…although, hopefully with some helpful insight to offer you to ponder upon.
For seven years I threw myself into an industry that I (A) Grew up in (surely this meant I should follow suit to my parents. (B) Perceived as successful (really anything requiring a pant suit and salary). (C) Well, it’s what I was already doing anyway. And last but certainly not least, likely the most weighty of the four, there’s (D) What would people think should I choose otherwise? (i.e., what does that say about me?? My character might be in question. My work ethic suddenly takes a dive. I won’t fit into the system…does this mean I’m an outsider now??, etc.).
Suddenly, and seemingly out of nowhere, this juncture becomes apparent to us at all the right times as well as the most inopportune. Without a way to gauge the timing or really understand it, we ‘re often left in an unrelenting state of confusion. Unfortunately, the conditioning of the status quo by way of socialization in America creates these metaphorical self-agreements that we carry in our back pocket all our lives. That is, until we reach a point of opposition – whether internal or external – and begin to raise question.
-Did I make the right choice?
-How do I combat the stress and doubt bred by uncertainty?
-Was I right to trust my intuition and sever the ties? …wait…aren’t I supposed to just have “faith” in my intuition?
-What if I make a mistake, what if it doesn’t work out?
-How do I take that first step when every direction is blanketed in fog??
HELP!Well…wouldn’t I just be the blubbering fool of my own satire to claim I didn’t ask myself those five questions of doubt at least a dozen times a day. And boy did I! Allow me to digress…
As a self-proclaimed student of the enlightened, I find myself in a perpetual state of self-seeking; understanding my own mental and behavioral paradigms to align with a higher state of being, or rather, a higher state of “I don’t give a damn!” (take the latter with a positive grain of salt). Dismantling my systematic approach towards life in general and recalibrating the areas of lacking doesn’t necessarily come with ease or clarity for that matter, but it’s certainly rewarding by way of self-discovery and personal development.
However, while you might reach a certain understanding in a state of idle contemplation, whether that be through meditation, journaling, art, conversing, etc., it is the active state of “doing” that will yield a viable solution in the form of direction (if not a clear answer). We’ll call this “Directed Thought”. Alternatively, action strictly based on the external-value system can leave you feeling purposeless, empty, or constantly striving for more.
And therein lies the problem. We often master one of two critical components to life success (“life success” by your own definition) through Directed Thought. That being either:
1) Self-discovery: The subconscious state of being; receptive awareness
or..
2) Self-creation: The conscious state of doing; action awarenessIn our external driven culture, we easily and far to often lose critical awareness to the latter (Component 2), where all the emphasis is put on the active state of “doing” while the receptive state of “being” is ignored. The success of the Directed Thought growth process lies in the intrinsically simple construct of bringing these two uniquely vital dimensions together. Self -discovery and Self-creation (thought to action, conception to creation).
The idea being, to wander. But(!) to wander in a general direction. There’s a beauty in this and more importantly a purpose. As we attempt to maintain yesterday while simultaneously innovate tomorrow, we reach a stalemate between our soul-guided voice and our ego-driven mind; this is where confrontation happens…and as you’ve experienced, confrontation of the two breeds confusion of self.
What I do find incredibly inspiring about your situation is that you’ve already identified two key variables in the decision making journey: What do I really want? And What am I afraid of?
Your inner truth tells you:
“I’d rather be writing, traveling, working in vineyards, writing for cookbooks, or starting a family.”More importantly, you’ve pinpointed your fear voice:
“I’d like to think it’s the latter, because I don’t really want to do TV right now, but I’m afraid I’ll regret it”You’re at a point of transition as you reassess your old set of values. And while typically I would assess the next step as the redefining of a new set of values, this doesn’t appear to be the case, as your last sentence very pointedly tells all:
“Which is the right voice, or how will I know?”
It appears this isn’t so much a question of “which voice is right?” as much as it’s a matter of accepting what you know to be true to self (“gut feeling” as you put it). And to realize, you don’t have to be(come) the person you are, just because that’s the way you’ve always been. Meaning, not only is okay to change from what you’ve always know to be your “identity”, it’s imperative to your personal growth process to redefine yourself in all the ways you feel compelled to transform.Otherwise, complacency sets in and the regret of not “taking a chance” impedes upon your current route anyway, should you choose to stay the course. This one path option we keep ourselves on can often leave our goals to the mercy of what I call the horizon effect. No matter how quick your pace, how focused your gaze, you can’t help but feel you’ll never quite reach your destination ahead. This leaves room for laziness to consume our progress (one of your concerns) or the “some day” syndrome to set in indefinitely. Making it far to easy to lose sight on a day-to-day basis as you operate under the illusion of time. You eventually find regret to be a possibility either way. Does it not make sense to take a leap into the more fulfilling of the unknown?
So before allowing your fear voice to justify it’s presence through the form of potential regret, I propose utilizing the tools of Directed Thought…
1-Self-discovery first: envision the life you want and strategize how you will get there.
Then apply..
2-Self-creation: build a fundamental transition strategy and pursue it. Live it out, give yourself a probationary period if you must. Include a contingency if you aren’t happy down the road.Your fear voice will tell you to refrain; that regret is an impending inevitable. So this is also where the “what if” scenario can play an effective role for once. For instance, what if I DID move to a small town, work on a vineyard, switch paths and write for cookbooks while building a family?…what do I envision for myself and how would I get there if? What if I regret my choice after all, can I transition back? And if so, will the professional setback outweigh my joy to be back in the industry? etc.
This “what if’ing” eliminates any illusory obstacle (illusory being the operative word) that you might perceive and opens your mind to thinking outside your current mental boundaries. By practicing the Directed Thought method in tandem with a “what if” scenario, you allow innovation to flow freely. These unconventional methods, while effective on their own, actually have quite a bit of power when used simultaneously.
Just remember that you’re not alone in your pursuits or wrong to deviate from a path seemingly well paved. Most people are inclined to respond with their fear voice when faced with drastic life shifts by immediately labeling it as irresponsible, flighty, or most deceiving of all…impossible. However, backed by thoughtful planning and diligence, your actions quickly shift from a chronic state of someday to now-action.
Don’t let fear of regret hold you back, Amanda. There’s only ONE thing worse than getting to the end of a long day working on a vineyard, as you sit down to write for a cookbook, family running about in the background…and that is…never having given yourself the opportunity to experience what that life would feel like.
Happy wandering 🙂
August 7, 2014 at 10:36 pm #62865SharikaParticipantHey guys!
I am a new member of this community and I was just looking around when I came across this.
I can understand and empathize with what you’re going through Amanda, because I happen to be going through the same thing.
I am currently doing my undergraduate course in medicine. I love and adore this career but I think that what I want to do later after this might be a little different to what is expected.
I love reading and writing and I absolutely love traveling and discovering new places.
People tell me that I can juggle things around- the career, the travel, the writing. And I don’t really argue with that.
I would just like to know whether this thing I’m doing now, this questioning of my career choice, this revaluation of my life decisions is really something I should be doing.
I love medicine. I love writing, reading and traveling.
As Amanda said in her summary, am i just ruining an amazing thing by thinking too much or should i really give it some serious thought?
Medicine is an amazing career and it’s not really a responsibility you can just walk away from. But I am scared that I might end up regretting not taking this unrest seriously.
Something just feels wrong about the compromise people are telling me to accept.
Can someone please help?August 8, 2014 at 8:10 am #62876Little CoconutParticipantHi Sharika,
So I read both yours, and Heather’s post last night. Both of them needed some special attention for a response, and I found myself thinking of advice to give you that mirrored Heather’s, and that I SHOULD be taking myself.
First of all, you’re really young. You’re still in undergrad, so you’re already ahead of your game for having these thoughts right now. How long have you been feeling something is “wrong” with this compromise? Is it something new, something flitting by, or something deeply rooted inside you? That may help you develop some awareness over the situation, and I think awareness is very powerful. Or in a different direction, what if I said, and I’m not saying this AT ALL, “ignore that voice. those people are right. you are thinking too much. pursue medicine.” How would you feel? If I literally told you what to do, would that voice go away? How else can it be nurtured? Does it need to drop medicine entirely, or is it looking for a more unique approach to medicine?
Heather gives some amazing advice that you can apply to yourself as well, but I also think you have time. And I don’t know much about medicine by any means, but are there ways to combine the two, at least for your youth? I’ve had friends who have pursued medical missionaries, the peace corps, or learn how to combine their love for yoga with medical instruction. Talk to your professors. Explore the travel abroad options. Take one fun class on writing. Take this time to explore your options, and if any jump out to you and feel *right*, then you have the first step. And the first step, I believe, may lead to an answer that won’t necessarily come as fast as you want it to.
I hope that helped. 🙂
Amanda
August 8, 2014 at 4:19 pm #62897BenzRabbitParticipantI am much older than most of you and can tell you from personal experience there is one simple question that gives you the answer:
What would you do if money was not a criteria ?
Answer that and you will find your direction !
God bless !!
August 9, 2014 at 9:20 am #62936Little CoconutParticipantHeather,
Thank you so much for your wise and kind words. I am so grateful to have ears out there, especially from someone who went through something similar and is able to provide sincere advice. I wanted to let these words sink in for a day or two, which is why I am just now responding.
I’m so familiar with this “unrelenting state of confusion.” It seems like the decisions stay weighted in my brain every day, muddling and dancing with my thoughts. I’ve tried desperately to listen to that inner voice, and taking comfort in knowing it isn’t really a “VOICE” at all. It’s more of a feeling, correct me if I’m wrong. I purposely search for online articles (which may be unhealthy) or other people to tell me NOT to do TV. To tell me, it’s okay, I was confused too. It’s like I’m searching for permission to listen to my inner voice.
Maybe it’s because I don’t trust it, or trust myself. I think: don’t be lazy. Go up and work. You’ll like the TV industry when you’re successful and have loads of cash. (Which after typing, sounds a little gross, especially taking in your advice, BenzRabbitt!!) I think so many of my doubts are rooted in fear. Fear of failure, fear of regret, fear of rejection, fear of imperfection.
Meaning, not only is okay to change from what you’ve always know to be your “identity”, it’s imperative to your personal growth process to redefine yourself in all the ways you feel compelled to transform.
Maybe these are the words I should lock onto. I take great comfort in this sentence, but wonder, “what will happen? what if I fail?” My degree is in Media Art, with a minors in Theatre and Creative Writing. I have no internships/professional work experience that are not in media production. What on earth would I do?!
“What-ifing” is certainly helpful, but also opens a realm for me to see opportunities where I could be happy/unhappy either way. Is that simply how life works? No matter what we have, how little or how much, we will always find something to be grateful for or happy with? I’m not sure. I think you’re right though, the only way to really get clear answers is by doing.
If I may ask, how did you handle your change, and your desire to break from what was expected of you? Have you done it, or are you planning on? If it’s too personal, no need to share for my sake. You’ve already done so much.
P.S. BenzRabbit, this helped as well….money seems to be an issue for me. I’m very afraid of not having it. Not sure why.
August 13, 2014 at 8:39 am #63279SharikaParticipantThank you guys so much for your valuable inputs!
Amanda, I did think about it and found that though this train of thought started recently, it is pretty deep rooted. So I probably should take it seriously or should at least give it a chance.
I tried thinking of a scenario of not listening to this voice, of shutting it down but I experience this claustrophobia, this nausea that just makes me feel absolutely terrible and terrified.
So I don’t really think that that is an option.
But as you pointed out, I might just need a more unique outlook to medicine, considering the fact that pursuing a career in medicine does seem like the right thing to do. So maybe I just need to find a way to play around with them till I find a plan which works.
Heather, I absolutely adore Amanda’s and your viewpoints and advice in this matter and I hope that I can introspect and try to use your tips to figure out how to deal with this restlessness. First self discover and then self create. talk to people around, take a few classes, I ended up getting really helpful tips! =)
Amanda, I completely understand the part about needing permission to listen to your inner voice. It is just so chaotic with everyone having their own opinions that I am really starting to doubt mine.
But at the same time, I seem to feel guilty too, about not being grateful enough with all the amazing things I have already been blessed with. Am I just being a spoilt brat right now?
BenzRabbit, I would probably still be inclined towards these things if it still wasn’t about the money, so I’m still confused.
But seriously guys, thank you so much for just listening. <3
It means a lot!
Thank you! =)September 17, 2014 at 2:16 am #65021MichaelParticipantThese are all great responses. I’m almost 30 and have been in the entertainment industry since I graduated High School. I’m thinking of making a transition. Initially all the excitement around this sector was cool. I certainly learned a lot. I feel now that it has lost it’s luster and the only reason I’m still in the industry is because I know it. I would like to explore other options though. I don’t care about the same things I used to like money, status and validation from others. Now I don’t give a shit at all. I feel like a lot of the realities of the industry are in conflict with who I am as a person. Principally in the area of being an artist. What I see in the music industry isn’t really art to me. It’s product. Product that is socially acceptable and saleable. There has to be a three verses and a bridge in the song. Why does there have to be?
I would say you need to follow your gut. All we really want is to love and be loved. Money and status don’t matter. Don’t put yourself through 5 years of being a PA in hopes of something that may never come. Not unless you believe in it and don’t care about the outcome.
I don’t know what I’m going to do if I make a transition, because I don’t really have dreams anymore other than to be happy. Which when I reflect on it, is very sad. Everything is so predictable and scripted for me. It’s soulstripping. I have come so far and accomplished so much – on paper. I have learned a lot about myself. At the same time I feel that I have learned nothing. I have achieved great successes, yet I am emotionally and spiritually bankrupt.
I don’t think this is the end of my artistic career. I just think it will take on a new form, one that is more fulfilling and not dictated by the market. Maybe this will happen for you as well. You don’t have to be in entertainment, you can write cook books and start a family. You being happy and doing that is the greatest thing anyone could ever do for the universe.
I wish you the best in your next steps!
October 11, 2014 at 9:21 pm #66201Little CoconutParticipantHi Michael
I’m so grateful for your words. Right now, unfortunately, money, status, and validation mean a great deal to me, even though I know that they shouldn’t. I come from a privileged family, and so I’m somewhat afraid of being without money, and also sometimes don’t take finances too seriously…For instance, I dream of backpacking across the United States. This will shorten my time to start a career, and it will likely be financially crazy. I dream of getting gas money through freelance work, or through working temporary jobs from friendly people. I’ve encountered a few over the years, and I know they exist. In my heart it doesn’t seem crazy, but it does in my brain. As for my gut? That’s what I’m working on… 🙂
I would like to hear more about your story. You seem to have a great deal of wisdom. Do you no longer like the work, or the predictability of life? What are you looking to do now? What kind of art do you like?
Being happy is so important. I’m searching on how to find that.
And I’m sorry for the delay in my response. In my clouded head, it’s often hard to keep up with things. But I wanted to respond to you and keep our conversation going. Thank you so much for your reply.
Amanda
February 24, 2015 at 6:43 pm #73266MichaelParticipantHey Amanda, how’s it going? Any updates for us?
I have made lots of changes since my last message.
I was given a job offer I couldn’t refuse, so I took it. I am now no longer in the music industry and I think this is a good thing.
I think too much of my identity was wrapped up in my profession. This new job has alleviated that.
It’s the first time I have ever had a 9-5 job, working for someone else. I know a lot of people knock that lifestyle (me being one of them) but so far, I enjoy turning off the lights when the business day is over. This allows me to pursue things that are meaningful, such as my art, without stressing about the outcome.
I actually think with this new role, I will reach a new level of success that I have never imagined for myself.
April 4, 2015 at 3:49 am #74863SharikaParticipantMicheal, that’s really good news! Congratulations!
Hope you get everything you want and deserve. =)Foe me personally, I think things have gotten better. I advanced a year and my subjects have changed and I find that I like the subjects more. Things are probably going to get more stressful in the coming years but hopefully, things work out.
I concentrated more on my writing too and that’s probably helping with the whole situation too.I hope everyone else is doing really well too. Would love to hear what all you guys are upto now.
April 6, 2015 at 9:50 am #74964Little CoconutParticipantMichael and Shakira,
I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to respond to the two of you. I’m glad you hear that you are both doing well. Michael, it’s good to hear you are enjoying your new job. I think having the time to take a deep breath is important.
I have decided not to pursue TV, which I feel good about. However, now that I have erased that from my path of options, I am still not sure what sparks my “passion.” Currently, I am working as Barista, which I love. My team is great, and I am so happy with the work environment. While this will not likely be a career, I hope that I move towards something that I can treat with equal passion and excitement.
One day at a time!
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