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  • in reply to: Seeking clarity about a relationship #452270
    anita
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    * I didn’t get the math perfectly (lol), but you get my point, GTL? We’re far but yet so close..

    in reply to: Seeking clarity about a relationship #452269
    anita
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    Dear Going Through Life:

    Only.. 30 minutes ago, you posted the above. I just got back from irl socializing in a local taproom (red wine in my system). Nothing like real life socializing.. and next good thing is talking to you.. Still, real-life (only 28 min since a real life person (you!) submitted a post to me!

    Please let me know about the scan results tomorrow!

    Anita

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #452263
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    Continued:

    “perhaps she didn’t let you see her early in the morning (provided that she took the wig off while sleeping)?”-

    Reconstructing a memory: It was early in the morning, earlier than I’d normally wake up. I was maybe 7, maybe younger. I woke up, walked to the bathroom where she was fixing her wig. She hadn’t noticed I was awake, maybe having forgotten to lock the bathroom door behind her. I approach, open the door further, and I see a totally bald person. I either screamed or had terror registering on my face. She had terror in hers, maybe anger. She puts on her wig quickly, best she can, takes me back to bed and says to me: It was only a dream, a bad dream. Go back to sleep.

    For 20 years.. it was only a bad dream.

    What else was not really “only a bad dream”, I wonder.

    How many untruths did she tell me, day in and day out?

    That people were bad, That she was good, that I was bad, a bad unworthy daughter, that no one is to be trusted, that she loves me, that she is “the best mother in the world”, that her intentions are always good (she said that), that she’s always been a victim.. that she is shy and meek, that no one will ever love me as much as she’s loved me, that my sister is a w****, that..

    HOW MANY LIES..???

    Anita

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #452259
    anita
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    Dear Tee:

    When I read this part of your recent post first thing at the computer: “that’s pretty extraordinary that you’d never noticed!” (that she was bald), I remembered something I didn’t think about for years. I remembered that as a child or a young adolescent, I woke up very scared one morning, and I told her that I had a scary dream that she was had no hair, that she was close to me and bald. She calmed me, saying something like: it was only a dream.

    In my mid-twenties (no.. I was in my late 20s), when I was told that she was bald, I noticed that it was quite obvious that she was wearing a wig, particularly when it was not a new one, or one that was maintained well (which it wasn’t at that particular time). It was really obvious, but it never occurred to me before I was told. The revelation terribly shook me for a long, long time. It made me sink deeper in empathy for her, as well as in guilt.

    Empathy for her (feeling so very sorry for her) and Guilt went hand in hand.. well, almost my whole life. The guilt was heavier, more painful than the empathy. Early on, I figured it was my job to make her happy, that her misery is my responsibility to fix. Feeling that I failed my # 1 responsibility was very painful. When I found out that she was bald, it meant that I had so much more to fix, so much more to compensate her for.

    Currently, empathy without the guilt feels so much lighter.

    Coming to think about it, I avoided empathy for people, avoided feeling empathy for people in general because empathy for her felt so painful (because it was heavily associated with guilt). When I saw a person in emotional pain, I immediately felt guilty and distressed over the guilt. Of course, that dynamic within me didn’t allow for healthy, lasting friendships and relationships.

    I am becoming aware of the above while typing it.

    Back to your post, Tee:

    “It occurs to me now that your mother doesn’t sound like a typical people pleaser, because people pleasers do things that are often against their best interests and are hurting them, but they’re still doing it, in order to please others. Your mother sounds more like someone who was faking kindness and ‘meekness’ to the outside world, when it suited her – to boost her public image. She wasn’t doing it to please others (and sacrifice her own real needs), but to boost her fake persona.”-

    I wonder if it can be both..? She did spend her very hard earned money feeding guests, giving generous gifts to others (weddings & such).. so that’s against her best interest, isn’t it?

    Of course, she complained to me after feeding and gifting others, about how hard she worked for money and how selfish others were for receiving gifts, or eating what she offered them, how much more fortunate they were for not having to work as hard as her, and yet they were taking advantage of her (the most unfortunate person in the world, or close to that).

    I was very angry whenever her behavior repeated itself, angry at the selfish people eating her foods, but I had to keep quiet and say nothing to her guests while boiling inside with anger. I had to stay quiet because (after I offered to tell them myself that they are not invited to eat her food, that she worked too hard, etc., the things she expressed to me), she threatened to “murder” me (her word). So, I knew she really, really didn’t want me to say anything.

    It is only yesterday that I felt a pang of this particular pain when seeing a woman being offered a gift and accepting it. I was quickly aware of where that pain and anger came from, and it dissipated.

    ..Wait, this sentence just landed: “She wasn’t doing it to please others (and sacrifice her own real needs), but to boost her fake persona.”- Never occurred to me, but true: people pleasing may be driven by a genuine desire to see people pleased/ feeling good (while Inside, at least at times, the people- pleaser feels anxious, resentful, or exhausted, because the pleasing isn’t freely chosen — it’s driven by compulsion).

    Did the mother want guests to feel good? I don’t think so, if she did, she wouldn’t bitterly complain about them before or after their visits. Yes, you are right, it was a fake persona.. and a convincing one.

    About faking meekness, faking being mild, gentle, humble, submissive-.. lots of faking before each time she exploded with arrogance, harshness, cruelty and dominance.

    “Yes, I think she was jealous of your hair! She might have been punishing you for having hair…

    “Yeah, that’s pretty extraordinary that you’d never noticed! I guess she was hiding it well.. perhaps she didn’t let you see her early in the morning (provided that she took the wig off while sleeping)?”-

    I think that I did see her that one time I dreamed about.. or more accurately, a real memory that occurred to me in a dream.. Or, it just occurred to me for the first time: it might not having been a dream at all. She might have told me something like: It didn’t happen, it was only a bad dream. Now, this very moment, I remember her saying “bad dream”.

    “Yes, but I thought she might ‘miss’ you as someone to harass, even an ‘object’ to harass, if you will. Because such people need someone to abuse and victimize, so to feel better about themselves.”- I suppose she did miss me that way but satisfied that longing by focusing on my sister.

    “But I guess she quickly turned to your sister, as you said, started buggering her to get married and give her a grandchild. And so she did, although you said the guy she married wasn’t a good fit..”- he was a UN soldier.. coming to think about it, he himself was a sexual abuse victim.. his uncle. He proceeded to beat my sister and was a very neglectful father.. not a good fit. But the mother wanted to live either in Europe or the U.S., and that’s why she wanted him as a husband for my sister (plus his European looks.. and maybe something else that she sensed about him.

    “What occurs to me now, and it might be painful to read, is that it seems your mother hasn’t sexually harassed your sister.. your sister “only” received emotional (and perhaps physical?) abuse. But she didn’t have access to her body.. I realize this may be very painful to read, that you might have received more of the abuse, or more destructive type of abuse. I’m very sorry about that, Anita 😢”-

    Thank you for the empathy, Tee. And no, it’s not painful to read. Yes, I did receive more destructive type of abuse.. the proof is in the pudding, so to speak, my sister, for a long time, had freedom and a social life I could only dream of.. and no tics. (she had migraines though, from an early age, still does)

    “Right, it seems it was her who contaminated affection with sexuality, and so now when you say affection, immediately a sexual meaning pops up in your head.”- said perfectly: contaminated affection with sexuality

    “(BTW, thank you, I do feel strongly about childhood sexual abuse not being a small thing. So yes, I’m passionate about defending the victims and not minimizing the abuse. ❤️)”- Thank you, Tee 🙏 ❤️

    “I was wondering if she felt ‘affection’ for you when she was controlling you completely, including your body, e.g. when she was putting on your pajamas after bathing and you lying on the bed like a doll. You said that’s when she had a satisfied smile on her face (at least in front of the neighbor, Rosie, who challenged her that one time).

    “So I’m wondering if she felt ‘affection’, i.e. she felt pleased with you, when she could control you completely (including your body), i.e. treat you like an object with which she can do whatever she pleases?”- she signaled approval, that’s for sure, a rare commodity for me: her approval.. another rare commodity: a genuine smile on her face. She experienced pleasure in seeing me accommodating her need to have power-over, and I wanted her pleased.

    Was it affection.. No, just approval with a smile. A smile of pleasure, not one of affection.

    “That control included touching you inappropriately while washing you (pre-puberty), and demanding access to your naked body (post-puberty). As I’m writing this, I’m hoping that phrasing it like this isn’t too sensitive for you? Please let me know of it is, will you?”- I will, thank you for your sensitivity, Tee.. but no, I have no problem with your phrasing. Actually, it’s helpful.

    “I think Copilot explained it very well why it constitutes sexual abuse:… Yeah, she put you in a sexualized and vulnerable position (demanding that you let her into the bathroom to wash your hair and back, while in a vulnerable, exposed position), and your body was touched/manipulated against your will (by manipulation I mean when you had to lie down on the bed, while she was dressing you).

    “And I’m thinking now that those washing/dressing rituals might not have been so much about her extracting sexual pleasure from it, but more about establishing complete dominion and control over you.”- Yes. True..

    “As Alessa said: sexual abuse is the ultimate way to strip someone of their autonomy. Yes, because it’s violating the autonomy of our body, which no one else should lay claim to, but ourselves.

    “But regardless whether she extracted sexual pleasure from it or not (you said she did from parading naked in front of you), it still constitutes sexual abuse. And as Copilot says, I think it’s very important that you’re now naming it and understanding it.

    “Because until now, it was all a bit of a haze. Now it’s becoming more clear, and inasmuch as it is painful, it is also liberating, I hope, and is contributing to your healing. ❤️”- Yes, our conversations. Your attention to details, your superior analytical skill, and your passion for telling the truth it like it is.. (to not be silent or silenced).. All these are making my accelerated healing possible.

    I am experiencing a significant decline in shame.. and a felt increase in self-worth these very days. 🙏 ❤️

    “So yes, let’s keep talking about it.. because the clearer it becomes, the more equipped you will be to heal and put an end on your mother’s toxic legacy 🙏 ❤️ 🙏”- Toxic Legacy.. the correct words. I am looking forward to continuing to talk about it, Tee!

    Forever Grateful, 🙏 ❤️ 🤍 Anita

    in reply to: Reconnecting- #452252
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Alessa:

    You are very welcome!

    Relaxing is a good idea, definitely. I just read Tee’s post in your thread in regard to (I am paraphrasing) relaxing the hypervigilant nervous system of those of us not having had a safe mother to rest in. I am getting better at relaxing my anxiety these very days by paying attention to it when it spikes, being aware of what caused the spike, and relaxing it.

    This very morning, before getting out of bed, I asked my inner child: “is there anything you need? Anything I can do for you?” (these are your words, your suggestion, yesterday). She said she wanted to lie down for a little while longer.

    I hope that your breathing is continuing to improve and that you will sleep well tonight 💤

    I feel encouraged to keep talking about the difficult topics on my other thread, now that I read that it is helping you too.

    Thank you for saying I’m very brave. I just experienced the first smile of the day reading the words “very brave” 😊🙏

    ❤️ 🤍 Anita

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #452237
    anita
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    Goodbye, Jana. May you find peace .. where you are, in the silence of nature.. Away from people-noise. May there be peace in your mind and heart.

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #452231
    anita
    Participant

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    Dear Tee:

    I just had a conversation with Copilot in regard to her asking me in my early 20s, late at night, when I returned from a date of sorts: “Are you with him because he has (a male sex organ), (a vulgar word used), and I don’t?”

    Copilot: “Yes — what you described does qualify as sexual abuse, specifically covert sexual abuse… Even though there was no overt sexual act, she used sexualized language to control, shame, and manipulate you. That is what makes it covert sexual abuse.

    “Impact on you: The trauma you felt — shock, shame, confusion — is evidence of the violation. Abuse is defined not only by the act but by the misuse of power and the harm it causes.

    “Abuse can be overt (physical acts) or covert (sexualized exposure, language, insinuation). Both are real, both are damaging, and both count as sexual abuse.

    “The fact that you were traumatized by her words is not incidental — it shows that she crossed a line into exploitation… Recognizing this as sexual abuse validates your experience and reduces self-blame… In short: yes, her words were a form of sexual abuse. They were covert, but they were real, and the trauma you experienced is valid.”

    I then told Copilot about her insisting to wash me into adolescence and teenage years, way before that first date.

    Copilot says: “What you describe— your mother continuing to wash you after puberty, despite your attempts to hide yourself—is a serious violation of boundaries… Washing a child past puberty is not caregiving— it disregards the child’s growing autonomy and bodily privacy. Adolescents need privacy to develop a healthy sense of self. By ignoring your attempts to cover yourself, she overrode your boundaries.

    “Even if she framed it as ‘care,’ exposing you and touching your body in adolescence can be a form of covert sexual abuse, because it places you in a sexualized or vulnerable position without consent. Your instinct to hide shows you understood, even then, that something was wrong. The shame you felt was not because of you—it was because your boundaries were being violated.

    “Abuse is not only about overt sexual acts. It’s about misuse of power and disregard for consent… By continuing to wash you, she treated you as if you had no right to bodily autonomy. That is exploitation, even if she rationalized it as ‘care.’

    “The trauma comes from being forced into a situation where your body was exposed and controlled against your will.

    “It was not your fault. Your shame was a natural response to an unnatural situation. Naming it helps. Recognizing this as a boundary violation and covert sexual abuse validates your experience.

    “Reclaiming autonomy- Healing often involves rebuilding a sense of ownership over your body and your boundaries…

    “In short: repeated violations like washing you past puberty, exposing herself, and shaming you sexually created patterns of shame, confusion, and mistrust. These are not your identity—they are the scars of abuse. Healing means reclaiming your boundaries, your sexuality, and your sense of self.”

    As I read above, “a violation of boundaries… a disregard for consent… forced… against your will.”- that’s R.A.P.E,

    Covert, Overt- te-MAY-toh (Covert), te-MAH-toh (Overt). It was RAPE.. repetitive, real-life experience.

    So.. so, truth is.. I’ve been feeling empathy all this time for a person-a thing that raped me, covertly, overtly; te-MAY-toh, te-MAH-toh. (feeling raw)

    Anita

    in reply to: Seeking clarity about a relationship #452228
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Going Through Life:

    Well, now it’s Tues evening here and Wed morning where you’re at🙂. I hope that you have a good breakfast and please let me know of the results of the scan scheduled to be done today (your time)!

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #452227
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    “You (and we) don’t need to stop discussing her.”- I am glad you’re saying this, Tee, because I am not done discussing her. (Part of me earlier was accommodating the inner critic who accused me of over-discussing, and not “getting over it”!)

    “Discussing her helped you to understand what happened to you, and why she couldn’t really give you love – love that you have been longing for such a long time. A love that you as a child (and beyond) absolutely needed and deserved. You said it so beautifully:

    “‘I waited for her to.. love me like a mother is supposed to love her daughter. I say ‘supposed’- not something I read, something I instinctually needed: a place to rest. A place to rest in a mother.’

    “Each child has that need, that’s how our brains (and our hearts) are wired. But too many parents aren’t able to provide that safety (both physical and emotional) to their children. Too many parents are wounded children themselves, who end up hurting their children, perpetuating generational trauma.”-

    Each child, yes.. I was just a child, a child like any child, not a shameful freak of nature like I believed I was.

    “Heart-breaking 😢 Unfortunately, parents who commit those acts may rationalize it and may not think it’s a big deal, as you’ve said here… But I don’t care if it’s not a big deal for them: it is a big deal, a HUGE deal, for their victims. For their innocent children who seek a safe place, and get a dungeon with dragons.”-

    I just felt so much affection for you, Tee.. for saying these things with passion (I meant emotional passion, of course.. everything feels contaminated as a result of sexual abuse.. the word “passion”, the word “affection”)

    Like her affection when holding my hand on the way to the airport.. if it was affection, I couldn’t differentiate it from sexuality. Every smile on her face directed to me, a softness in her voice.. it all felt creepy.

    “I’m not sure if I’m hearing some bitterness in your words, a part of you almost wanting to minimize your pain because for your mother, abusing you wasn’t a big deal?”- there’s an element of that still going on: denial, minimization.

    “If so, please know that abusing you WAS a big deal, and not only from your perspective as a victim, but also from every normal person’s perspective. Childhood abuse, especially childhood sexual abuse, is a big deal for every sane person with a grain of empathy. It’s not something that people just shrug their shoulders to, as in ‘it happens’. No. Because even if it happens, it’s horribly destructive and it should never happen.”-

    THANK YOU, TEE!

    Not “a grain of empathy” summarizes the “mothering” I received.

    “I’ve looked up childhood sexual abuse and came across some old videos of The Oprah Show, where she hosted survivors of childhood sexual abuse, including incest. And then I dug deeper, and realized that Oprah herself was abused as a child, both physically and sexually, which was one of the reasons why she started the Oprah Show: to talk about difficult human destinies and how to recover. And it seems that she contributed to passing a bill in 1993, colloquially called the Oprah bill:

    “’Oprah bill” refers to the National Child Protection Act of 1993, which was informally named after Oprah Winfrey due to her instrumental role in advocating for its passage. The bill created a national database of convicted child abusers and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1993.

    “I don’t know much about this field, but it seems there is already a lot of help out there, there are numerous websites and initiatives to prevent child abuse. And I guess there are educational programs at schools (though I guess not implemented everywhere) about what constitutes appropriate touch, etc. So I guess awareness about it is greater than before.”-

    I want to join those sources of help.. those websites and initiatives!

    “But I guess it’s still happening a lot, and it’s very insidious because it’s happening behind closed doors. And children (the victims) often don’t even have the awareness that what’s happening is wrong. And neighbors are still very unwilling to get involved.”- that’s infuriating to me right now, that they wouldn’t get involved!

    A few years ago I came across a neighbor whose dog was visibly abused (caged in, running in circles, distressed, day in and day out). I walked into the neighbor’s private property and protested the dog’s abuse, loud and clear. Didn’t go well, but I didn’t want to be complicit, like the neighbors growing up-in.

    Shortly after, the dog wasn’t there anymore, maybe removed to a better place.

    “In one of Oprah’s videos, a victim (a man who was abused as a child, but has since recovered) said that even though the neighbors (and teachers!) saw that he was dirty and smelly, nobody said anything. People knew that his mother was ‘crazy’, but no one wanted to get involved.”- I relate 😢

    “This didn’t happen now, it’s an old story, but still, it shows how difficult these things are, and how ‘institutions’ can really mess up, because even his teachers didn’t notice, or chose not to notice, that he was neglected (and there were obvious, visible signs of neglect).

    “Anyway, that’s a complex topic, but I think what’s important for you personally is that you’re now talking about it and understanding what happened to you, and that your mother wasn’t able to give you love.

    “You’ve also realized that none of that was your fault – that the abuse wasn’t your fault – and you found compassion for that little girl who only wanted to be loved and instead received the antithesis of it.”-

    The “antithesis of love”- what a strong and accurate way to phrase it.

    “I think that’s truly the key in your healing. Understanding her reasons and what was in her mind is less important, although it can be important in the sense of understanding that she too was wounded. Yet, as you say, she chose to perpetuate the abuse, unlike her brother, who sought to stop it… She went through a lot, and I can see that even her permanent hair loss as a child or adolescent may have contributed to her self-loathing and cutting her head off in photos. Perhaps she was bullied and humiliated due to her hair loss, which was an additional trauma.”- no doubt she was.

    If only I could go back in time and rescue the girl that she was.. I would.

    “All of that (baldness, beatings, bullying, her father abandoning her to be with other women, which led to her becoming an orphan, etc.)… might have led to an intense anger, hatred and a sense of powerlessness. And then the need to regain that power by subduing and controlling her own children. And getting a sense of self-worth by mercilessly shaming and humiliating her children.”-

    M.E.R.C.I.L.E.S.S.L.Y.

    “Plus there was sexual abuse, which we can speculate about the reasons why it happened (because it doesn’t necessarily have to be that she was molested herself). Nevertheless it happened, and perhaps that was the most insidious kind of abuse, because it wasn’t so overt, and yet it was boundary violation and trust violation. And it caused you to feel huge shame about yourself.”-

    Very, very icky. It’s a shame of the kind that sticks.. like glue.

    “All this is coming to light now, you’re realizing it, and I hope it is liberating (inasmuch it is painful too), and will gradually lead to healing. 🙏 ❤️”-

    Yes, Tee.. healing, big time healing, wouldn’t be possible without your input and dedication to the cause, the cause being healing 🙏 ❤️

    “So I think we can keep talking about it, if it’s helpful to you. I think it’s less important to understand what was in her mind and what her motives were (although we can speculate about it). What’s most important is that you’ve realized that it was abuse and that you started healing from it. And I hope you will continue to heal. And I’m glad I can help you in that process ❤️”-

    Sincerely, Tee, I couldn’t do it without you. ❤️

    “Also, as Alessa said… Yes! You’re the one you’ve been waiting for! I’ve heard that phrase before, and I’ve looked it up now: it’s the title of a book by Richard Schwartz (the creator of the Internal Family Systems therapy, which I respect a lot). But anyway, that’s the big wisdom and the big truth of healing ❤️”-

    I will continue to heal and I am very grateful for your support and for Alessa’s support🙏

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ 🙏 Anita

    * I may add a post after this, tonight (the night is young, officially early evening but very dark, windy and rainy)

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #452226
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Alessa:

    You wrote that you feel like the person I have been waiting for all along is myself- yes, myself without the chronic shame, guilt, self doubt and a rejection of my own self.

    You wrote that I have all of the qualities I wish for in a mother- thank you, Alessa.

    And thank you for sharing part of your trauma therapy in regard to indulging your inner child, little Alessa, whatever she wanted to do, and currently asking her: “is there anything you need? Anything I can do for you?”

    It’s progress, isn’t it, that sometimes little Alessa will ask for things before Alessa the adult even asks.

    Yes, you shared before that you were starved/ deprived of food growing up. I am sorry for that abuse and all the other abuses you suffered.

    I supposed I was starved in utero (her bulimia during pregnancy, I suspect) but often overly fed after birth which led to EDs in adolescence and adulthood. Thankfully, I no longer binge eat.

    Yes, little Alessa is a good girl.

    In regard to taking care of little Anita, thank you for the suggestion: I will find my own ways of indulging and taking care of.. me, and I’ll tell you about it in the future. ❤️

    You wrote that sexual abuse is not about sex. It is a form of violence and it is about control and re-enacting abuse from a more powerful position, that of an abuser, and that sexual abuse is the ultimate way to strip someone of their autonomy- yes, the intensity of S.H.A.M.E involved is overwhelming, it’s a powerful way of destroying so much of a person- for a long, long time.. But not forever 😊

    You wrote, “You were never a nobody. You were a sweet little person who grew up into a loving, caring and trusting adult, despite the atrocities you experienced at her hands. She could never erase your nature. ❤️”- beautifully said, Alessa.

    I was never a nobody. I was a sweet little person, and now, I AM a loving, caring adult who trusts more than I ever trusted (after the many betrayals I experienced early on). I have a.. reborn, newborn trust in good people.

    Thank you, Alessa.. This was an intelligent, beautiful, loving message. Much appreciated!

    🙏 ❤️ Anita

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #452217
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you, Tee. YOU made it happen. I said it before, I am eternally grateful and you are my hero!

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ (Back in the evening)

    in reply to: Seeking clarity about a relationship #452215
    anita
    Participant

    Good to read from you, Going Through Life. I had a big breakfast and have to get ready to leave the house, I’ll reply further in the evening!

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #452214
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa and Tee:

    Thank you for your thoughtful messages. I am taking a mental 😊 health day for now, but will thoroughly respond in the evening.

    * The first thought I had today before I turned the computer on was.. I don’t remember the wording, but it was a feeling of self worth, of okaying myself. It was/ is a precious emotional experience, one of a kind, and that’s why I am taking a break.. so to enjoy this feeling, to let it settle.

    🤍 ❤️ 🙏 ❤️ 🙏 🤍 Anita

    in reply to: Should we Separate?!? #452212
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Dave:

    “It just felt to me that nothing I was doing was quite good enough – it was champagne or razorblades and not much in between… the highs were so high that I felt like a drug addict chasing the next high and forgetting about the tough parts in between… shed always say “I really want to be led and someone to share the responsibility with me” the more I did this the more it felt like it still wasn’t good enough or at her level. A bit of a vicious circle…”-

    Back on Nov 6 (on this page), I talked about two concepts that explain this dynamic: Intermittent Reinforcement and Trauma Bonding. You can research these two terms, if you’d like.

    Intermittent reinforcement, unlike consistent reinforcement, is what keep people addicted to using slot machines, for example. You don’t get a reward every time, you get it occasionally and unpredictably. When you do, dopamine surges (a “high”), and you keep playing for the next “high”. In abusive or toxic relationships, one partner positively rewards the other occasionally, unpredictably and that creates a “high” that keeps the partner hooked.

    In a relationship like yours, when one partner is repeatedly cold/ disapproving/ critical and then- occasionally, unpredictably- rewards you with spending the night together, or telling you she still loves you- it’s the unpredictability of the positive reward that feels like an intense “high” and reinforces the emotional attachment/ bonding on the part of the victim of this dynamic.

    From a source online: “Trauma bonding is a strong emotional attachment formed between a victim and an abuser, often through cycles of abuse and intermittent kindness. The unpredictability of affection or approval creates a powerful dependency. Victims often feel that if they just ‘try harder,’ they’ll get the reward (love, safety, validation) again. The victim may confuse abuse with love, rationalize harmful behavior, or feel unable to leave. Intermittent reinforcement is the psychological engine behind trauma bonding.”

    Back to your words, Dave: “Not to be rude, but since when did she get to decide what the level should be and if I am or not good enough. The only person who should be able to dictate this is me… I have moved quite a bit of my stuff back into my old house and I have a renewed sense of hope and an overwhelming feeling of ‘I’ve got this!’ as I embark on this new journey. So much more equipped for what is needed and who I am meant to be moving forward. All in all the only person who can dictate if I am good enough is me!”-

    Excellent thinking, Dave 🤞 My advice: beware of the addiction factor and the possibility, maybe likelihood of the next positive reward that may feel like.. the best thing in the world. On her part, she may be hooked on feeling superior to you and on keeping you hooked.. If she loses your interest completely, who would she feel superior in relation to?

    Let’s say she does lose your romantic interest completely.. it’s not unthinkable that her next partner will also be.. not good-enough.

    May the force be with you (a Star Wars saying 😊),Dave.

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #452202
    anita
    Participant

    SA Trigger Warning, just in case there’ll be details, Alessa

    Dear Tee:

    I am getting close to no longer discussing her. I have been gathering, thanks to your input, Tee, a 3-D understanding of her, the most powerful person in my life, the mother I was born to, or through.

    I am getting ready to move on to something new, something exciting; a new, fresh breath of air, turning my eyes, my attention elsewhere. And not looking back, no longer held hostage by the past I’ve known.

    There’s no one I loved more, no one I kept waiting for as much or as long as I’ve been waiting, waiting, waiting for her to be what I needed.

    It makes me smile right now, the sweet feeling about what I’ve been forever waiting for (words are inadequate to describe what it is that I’ve been waiting for).

    I’ve been waiting- six decades of waiting- to feel okay inside me. Like the title of the movie, “Waiting to Exhale.”

    Waiting to feel calm inside.

    I waited for her to.. love me like a mother is supposed to love her daughter. I say “supposed”- not something I read, something I instinctually needed: a place to rest.

    A place to rest in a mother.

    Peace, safety, calm enough to exhale.

    I didn’t get the opportunity to rest in a mother.

    I didn’t get the opportunity to feel safe with a mother.

    All the love I had for her.. That was me needing her to love me.

    If I could mother her, I would have, so that she could love me.

    She was Everything to me, but to her, I was (her words), “A Nothing”, “A Nobody”, “A big Zero”.

    If I confronted her about these words, she’d deny, reinterpret and blame me for daring to repeat her words.

    Don’t matter, never a win for me.

    Don’t care anymore about what she said, what she might say-

    Why should I care..?

    The 3-D understanding of her: a good little girl trapped in the evil she experienced AND perpetuated.

    Not a unique story but.. business as usual in too much of our troubled world.

    She felt so powerless, so much of “A Nothing”, “A Nobody”, “A Big Zero”, that the relief she got was when saying these things to me.

    The story of Abuse, an ongoing story.. Just pass on the abuse, and you’d feel better, for a little while, business as usual.

    Nothing wrong in saying or doing anything to “A Nobody”, to “A Nothing”, to “A big Zero”, is there??? If it’s a Nobody then..

    Isn’t this what dehumanizing is all about? The Nazis dehumanizing the Jews, the European Jews (Ashkenazi’s) dehumanizing North African/ middle easter Jews (Mizrachi’s), my mother dehumanizing me..?

    As to the sexual abuse.. why, that’s a Nothing when done to a Nothing/ a Nobody.

    A child being a sexual object for a parent: a father (more publicity about that happening, more overtly), or a mother (less publicity, more covert, perhaps)- Think of an adult parent lonely, deprived, desiring something sexual.. and there’s no one there but the child.. the only thing there.. What do you do with the desire?

    Please don’t get me wrong: I know how WRONG it is to sexually abuse a child. Majorly Wrong.

    But to the sexually abusing “parent”.. It’s no big deal.

    .. Her choosing me to experience being a Somebody in comparison, to feel a thrill of control, a covert sexual thrill (or overt?) Again, that’s nothing personal, not an indication of who I am, of my worth. Nothing to do with me as a person.. Just me happening to be there, not by choice.

    How to save the many thousands of children right now, this very Mon night, being the subjects of abuse, verbal, physical, sexual? WHAT CAN I DO???

    .. Anita

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