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Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
thank you for your explanation. I appreciate this part especially “That ongoing fear with no action (running away) becomes that base anxiety you wrote about many times. When anxiety is established everything is scary. We fear feeling anything at all, anything unpleasant. Fear invades sadness and even joy. When you cried, it so happens you felt sadness without the fear. Sadness then is not dangerous. It only feels dangerous. Healing is about feeling sadness, joy, affection, hopes, dreams… without the fear”
so in this sense, this baseline anxiety is avoidance of true feeling. It is my shield. It is attempting to protect me. This makes sense because if I TRULY felt all of the “expected” sadness and despair from the events I experienced I would be truly dysfunctional. So this anxiety in a way is a shield to “push through” cover up the true feelings/hurt.
Of course it is not truly protective as it comes with its own huge cost and burden. But from what you wrote I see – anxiety is the body’s way of attempting to protect from danger. The fact that it is omnipresent for me is because I have suffered so much danger/traumafrom a young age that it went into gear full force in the background always.
This is something we spoke about before, and I am glad you re-explained it to me.
How amazing it would be to feel those true feelings. One day.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,Good morning. I hope you are enjoying your daily walks this summer.
You wrote: “You can wake up a certain way, maybe not having slept deeply enough, with higher anxiety. Something happened, maybe a dream that you forgot, pathways activated, chemistry happening and anxiety is high.”
This exact thing happened to me last night. I woke up at 4 am in a panic, definitely pathways activated, perhaps old buried hurt or trauma resurfacing during sleep. I burst into tears. And to be honest – I was glad. It feels as though chronic anxiety is a shield, it feels like this, there are demons or old hurts inside, and our body keeps running, running and running, chasing and chasing – this is the feeling of anxiety, constant movement, constant ON, never relaxed. and then at times, I feel, I hurt, and I cry. I welcome these moments, as they are hard to come by. Instead the tight anxiety feeling predominates. When I feel a true hurt and cry, it feels real. It feels like there is brain processing of what is going on or trauma. Many times I WANT to feel sad or angry, but instead it is anxiety. Anxiety is the fall back – the go to- the baseline. However, in the middle of the night I felt a tangible emotion building up, and then there was a release. How good it feels to cry. How good it feels to FEEL. Do you ever feel like this? That you look forward to this release of true feeling/crying vs. pent up/anxiety. I know that when I cry – it is progress. These are not tears of emotions for me. These are tears of processing. They aren’t tears of being overwhelmed. I don’t work this way as my baseline is not to cry or feel sad per se, but to feel anxious. I have read and know, and see, how people/patients do things,drastic things, such as cut their wrists often to “feel.” As much as I never truly felt this way or could relate – what I can see is how refreshing it is to feel a true emotion vs. the jumbled mess of general anxiety. Of course, taking drastic measures to achieve this is entirely unhealthy and a whole other thing. To feel a pin point emotion is refreshing. In my case, I don’t walk around the world with sadness and despair. I walk with energy, productivity, and motivation. Yet, sometimes it is nice just to feel and let go. At 4 am to burst into emotion and release or process some (likely old trauma) even 1% – I welcome it.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your thorough response. I will re read this throughout the day. I will let it sink and savor.
This is exactly what I was referring to, you described it so well: “activation of past circumstances with no current happening”
In a way, accepting this allows letting go of the idea that I have control to “change or diminish” the anxiety. If I accept the above understanding it is a part of my life, than I won’t feel the need to “work on it so much.” Yet, anxiety is so unpleasant and difficult to sit with so of course we do employ techniques to find relief. That is fine and healthy. I am talking more about the acceptance of- “this is something that is wired in me and will be for a long time, accept it, don’t resist it.” Not sure what that means exactly – but seems helpful!
Also,
I can see how it will take a long time. It will also be a few steps forward, a few back dance. I would see, what else can I do to facilitate the process. I think the answer is nothing. It is continue good work, good relationships ONLY, weed out anything that will contribute to negative energy or toxicity. Continue to read and write, and grow.
And on the symptom side- continue the activities that help the anxiety symptoms.
And then the tincture of time.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
With that being said they will come back full force when their pendulum swings the other day. One day they may wake up full of anxiety and terror they’re all alone and attempt to stalk me. Perhaps. Perhaps not. Anything is possible – but with them it’s always extreme.
My parents saw my in laws at a wedding 2 weeks ago. They acted like everything was fine and don’t ask once about me. Interesting right.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I am not surprised. I am not offended. I am nothing in regards to their efforts.
As they always employ the use of “splitting” in the medical world we see it a lot with patients. It is the all or nothing approach. If the doctor does well they LOVE them want to hug them and shower them with praise and gifts. If the doctor provokes some sort of anxiety in them (even if not objective issue) the doctor is terrible and horrible and all bad outcomes are his fault.
This is not uncommon in medicine with very high strung patients.
My mother (and father as a result of being the puppet in this way) are the same. They’ll give their right kidney for someone one day and curse the day they’re born the next.
With me, it was our whole world revolves around her she is our joy our world our life, she will keep us company and provide happiness.
Now it is, she is dead to us. What inhumane person does this to their own parents. She is dead to us.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
i realize I may not have made it clear. I changed my phone number that day. They do not have this number neither do any of my extended family members (except sister). Nor do many old connections that don’t need it.
Thus they have not contacted me. Directly or through anyone.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
well by inciting agent I mean major culprit: my mother(parents)
With whom I haven’t spoken with since that day Feb 15 I think I recall. The day I made the decision. Zero interaction of any form since then.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I hope you enjoyed your 3.5 mile walk. What a nice practice!
Yesterday before I fell asleep, and when I woke this morning. I had a question that I asked myself and the universe. When I feel anxious, how do I know if it is truly exacerbated by the task/situation at hand. For if it was to be solved, won’t I just find something else to be equally anxious about? OR – are there definitely higher and lower levels of anxiety depending on what is going on.
For example right now would be a classically more uneasy time. In between job choices etc. Yet it is not a BAD place to be in, it is just one of some uncertainty – a watch and wait and see how all the options pan out- situation.
I think to myself, so I am feeling considerably more anxious during this time. Yet, once this is all settled – I have a feeling I won’t feel much better. How strange and disappointing…or if not disappointing – perhaps something That I will slowly come to terms with. Not sure – whether it is something I am realizing as in (the chronic baseline anxiety always exists no matter the part of the rollercoaster I am riding)
I also know that like anything else it is pattern. I had an exceptionally difficult year. I recall sitting at my desk a year ago prior to seeing a patient and my mother sending me hundreds of texts of how I need to do all this for my father’s surprise party (that she guilted me into throwing). When I have any push back she immediately sent a garage of messages saying well she figured it’s cancelled anyways she’s on the phone with everyone telling them right now that I cancelled it and they shouldn’t come. All of this in 3 mins. Just an example.
Replaying some of this has helped me recently, or at least remembering. It allows me to say that in medicine, we have high cortisol or adrenaline during times of stress. Well I have had this for over a year straight. Of course my body doesn’t know how to go back to regular levels now that the inciting agent has been taken away. Of course not. The body is smart, but takes time to recover and undo old patterns and make new ones.
So back to the above, the realization that even if the current decision is made – will I be happy? Won’t I feel the same. Yes, likely yes. But hopefully it will change over time…
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
“when we see ourselves as competent to approve.. then we can stamp ourselves with APPROVED. One day you will do that. You are already in the process of doing just that. Soam I.”
how amazing of us, yet how difficult of a task I commend us for taking on this challenge- this life long challenge. Yes I know one day I will stamp my own self for approval. I see beginning glimpses of it now. I know one day that stamp will be clear and waterproof. It will be there to stay. Approved.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
“When we don’t get that approval, that “good enough” stamp from god, that lack is a pain we carry anywhere and everywhere.”
i feel this. – I see that often I get so frustrated with myself. I say “what are you chasing or seeking CaliChica?!” What more? Why can this not feel satisfactory? Why?!”
Do you want to know something? I was just in a c/section. A beautiful baby girl was born to the world and I observed the parents. To them this healthy young new daughter was perfect. She could do no harm. And of course – it was a beautiful moment – it almost always is.
But this wasn’t the case for my sister and I. I am not talking about the delivery of us and babies or is as as newborns. I am talking about all of it. We weren’t perfect and amazing. We weren’t given full love respect and safety. No we were not. And then what is to come after into adulthood is a whole other story.
So so of course it feels like everything is a struggle or a fight, that there is something more to be done, that the baseline is not good enough. Of course it does – right Anita?
because we were never ever made to feel good enough. Even though I as the “Golden child” was given praise and all. It was only in a way that was convenient to my mother depending on her mood. It was not authentic. It was most importantly, never predictable.
Ohhow exhausting Anita. This search for approval then and now. How exhausting to feel constantly unsettled…
- This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good morning. This morning I do not feel so “profound.” Instead of feeling open and thoughtful, I feel slightly closed off and single focused. This is okay, I am just observing.
On that note, I will comment on this: “uncertainty, meaning danger. This is what fear is about, perceived danger. If you do nothing then “it” (danger, whatever it may be) will find you, correct, a waiting target?”
Yes, but what is this danger? to me?
This danger is many things, and I would like to comment and reflect on it – as this “danger” or perceived threat has been the motivation to do and do and overdo! and it always will be for as long as anxiety based thinking, fear based thinking is predominant.
This danger:
In the realm of career, it is that not doing, not over doing, not obsessively thinking and trying will lead me to the danger, it will leave me this unprepared target. The danger of falling into a role that is beneath me, the danger of settling for a job that makes me unhappy, the danger of not “living up to my potential.” What is this potential anyway? More on that later…
So in this example, the danger is that I was not prepared and thus I have to settle. The danger of settling. The danger of being in a career trajectory I am not happy about. Now, is dong and doing and over doing, going to prevent that? Of course not, as things like career and opportunity are multi-dimensional. Yet the act of doing feels like it is “preventing that uncertainty” it feels like it is “preventing the bad outcome.” It feels like “well at least I did all I could.” Perhaps it is something like a “self-insurance” policy. Knowing you were forward thinking and signed up for that “insurance.”
In other aspects, danger is isolation. If I don’t reach out to these friends, I will have less friends. The danger of losing. The danger of losing people, situations, or in “life.” What is losing in life? This is clearly subjective. Prior, when I was more friend focused, the fear could have been not having this “full life of friends” the visual of the life I thought I wanted or was important.
In this moment, this morning, if you asked me what this “danger” was. I will say, the danger is sometimes just becoming the norm. The average joe. Not having something special. Interesting that this comes to mind isn’t it. Who is the “decider” of what is average and superb? Is not having a good stable job, a wonderful husband, and good quality people in my life ENOUGH. What else is needed to be “above average.”
I see the root of this, this morning, is career based. I had a interview last week in NYC which I told you about, which I was not thrilled about. A job that felt like tons more work, for far less pay. Often what NYC jobs get away with -as people will take what they can get to live in the city. I have another local job interview tomorrow, and I do dread that I will feel the same way. I will feel once again this job isn’t great – that I can do so much more, or that I may even dare I say, deserve more. Then what will I be left with – an option that I have to settle for?
The idea of settling has been ingrained in me from a young age. When I wrote you my narrative of my first boyfriend and dating, it was also saturated with this idea. Having this ideal of how things “should be” and if anything falls short, it is “not good enough, or settling.” I know a lot of this is delusional thoughts of what is good and bad. In fact a lot of this is false information of what is good and bad for ME. And what is more important than what is good for me?! Definitions of good, bad, average, superb, etc mean nothing – when not equated to the person at hand!
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Happy Sunday!
I think you’re right – the seeping of the word surrender into my psyche, is the first glimpse of letting go of that need to overdo.. Perhaps the first glimpse of understanding that this baseline anxiety (although not a choice) is something that can be diminished. Moreover, the baseline anxiety does not have to be all invading and all pervasive. I can give it some respect, understanding that it does hold some real estate in my brain, but I do not have to bow down to it, or succumb to it always.
Understanding that we are not our anxiety is huge. It is something that many writers blog about, and many top authors have best selling novels centered on. I am not my thoughts, I am not my anxiety. I am not my fear based wired brain.
Easy to read about, difficult to grasp. Easy to think about momentarily, difficult to sink and savor.
I notice this anxiety can seep in during the summer. Given that in the northeast we do not have beautiful weather all year round, we often feel we have to make “the most of the summer.” Even during the summer, not every day is bright and sunny, and thus those that are, we often find that we want to make it a “maximal summer” experience. Whether this be the beach, a hike, some other water related activity, bbq, or plain sitting outdoors. I noticed that during the week I found myself having this anticipatory anxiety about forthcoming weekend plans. However, when this weekend rolled around, it was perfect.
We enjoyed some time at the dog park, had our neighbors over for some appetizers that evening, which spontaneously turned into a night of games and laughs. How often these spontaneous evenings turn out to be the best!
The point of me writing this is not to point out that fun can be unplanned and spontaneous, as this is far too basic of a concept! My point is this – I don’t have to fear that if I don’t “do” that I will not find. Doing does not always equal finding.
The contrast of:
Doing (aka planning an evening) does not mean that not doing means no fun plans
Doing (aka planning the next career move) does not mean that not doing means career stagnation.
Doing (aka reaching out to certain friends) does not mean that not doing means those friends will go further away
Therefore, NOT doing does NOT equal the OPPOSITE outcome.
In fact, NOT doing may (and many times does) lead to a wonderful and more positive outcome!
We do not have to always DO to control our future. No we do not.
Funny thing is, that friend (the flakey one) continued to reach out over the week, with text messages, and finally a phone call. Interesting, as she is someone who is not a reliable communicator and NEVER calls. It appears she is DOING, to control. She is DOING to assuage herself of guilt. She is DOING to avoid the reality of the outcome of being a bad person. Well, doing is not a cure, now is it?
Doing is not a cure, it is often only a way to disguise ourself from what we fear – uncertainty.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Surrendering, reads to me, is you being on your way to undo that base anxiety which motivated you so far to do and do and do, to overdo.
i will let this sink in today. Thank you for that thought.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
yes, surrender is the word that came to mind yesterday – and thus it is the right word. Surrender: allow, accept, give in. Those terms don’t do it justice.
What I mean is in a way give up. To let go. Give up what? The fight. The struggle the fight to keep going and trying. Surrender. Let it be. Let it flow. Give up the active. Active effort in every breath no more – let go
Now an outsider may read this and find it disturbing or disheartening. As surrender may have the connotation of giving in to something, to even failing. This is not true.
I see myself holding on tightly and not letting go. Holding on to ideals, and shoulds. Holding on to concepts. Not allowing myself a chance to breathe, feeling that not trying equals failing. Equating constant effort to mean overcoming and succeeding. But overcoming what? Perhaps my feeling that I can not relax and I should keep trying is apart of my identity. Therefore if I do toherwise I am not being “myself” or living up to my “potential.”
However, yesterday I had a glimpse. A short glimpse of this feeling- this feeling to surrender! Let go of the self torture! Cali Chica you are fine the way you are, things are fine- stop seeking. Sink and savor and Surrender.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
i have many thoughts I would like to write to you this morning but not the time to sit down and write them out. I shall later. One thing I do want to say this morning is: the concept of surrendering to one self.
I had my first glimpse of what this means yesterday. To me it is defined as self acceptance to the next level. It is looking in the mirror and saying I accept you, and I surrender – self- to you. Tell me what you need – and I shall surrender.
Perhaps surrender is not the right word- but something along those lines.
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