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  • in reply to: Self Trust #199589
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

     

    I am very satisfied with your reply thank you for attending to it so eloquently. I think that I had a lot of those thoughts bouncing around my head like ping-pongs, but I wasn’t able to formulate them into one definitive theory or plan. I think a lot of that is also guilt and fear, feeling that “am I going to have to distance myself from my sister to, isn’t that sad? Won’t that be difficult for her because she really relies on me heavily.” But I see now that is Not the case – it isn’t something personal about my sister or another person per se. It is the nature of neural pathways and the way that our brain functions. In order to promote healthy healing there has to be certain protocols that are followed and away and this may be one of them. This will be most beneficial for myself, my sister, and both of our separate lives and separate healing processes.

     

    I agree entirely with this, and at the right time I will communicate this with her too. I know that she understands it it’s that we are used to both going down our normal ingrained pathways. But we will both have to deliberately enforce these new rules so to speak so that we can both heal and not be triggers or toxic towards one another.

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    in reply to: Self Trust #199565
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita, I am going to shift gears with this post today.

    I am away in California this week, I am here for all sorts of work interviews and meetings, my husband joined me this weekend because we had a few meetings to go to, and also we were going to take a better look around the area to look at some potential homes and see if this is a place that we would really like to relocate to. As I have told you over the past few months this has been a big part of my recent life, going to different locations in interviewing and seeing if they are a good fit. Given that it is 2 physician jobs it is a huge decision careerwise and of course personally. I had not seen my sister since the wedding, in September, so I thought it would be nice if she joined us this weekend too. So she came in on Friday just like my husband for the weekend.

    I was very excited to see her, and the hour that she was there before my husband arrived was really fun like old times, fun sister silliness. But what happened next I will try my best to explain without trying to seem one-sided it will be more of a stream of consciousness on my end.

    I have mentioned to you an example in the past with my parents, for their anniversary how I had to visit them to make it fun for them, and while I was there I had a meltdown at the restaurant. And how although it was negative-not the right place to have a melt down, it was a pivotal moment for me because it made me realize that I was so burnt down and run down by my mother that actually making it to this anniversary dinner wasn’t the point. it was her expectations of me and how much she had drained me. The anniversary dinner will always be that for me, an alarm that went off, that I had reached a breaking point and at this restaurant I couldn’t take it anymore it was all unloaded.

    So my sister arrived on Friday, my husband did too, and my friend who lives locally in California joined us for the evening. We are all at the hotel lobby hanging out and then proceed to walk around to get dinner.
    Looking back I instantly noticed something. I was extremely drained.It had been a tiring trip for me already given that I am here for not just play but also for work, and so travel plus work things, plus having to be on my toes for interviews isn’t necessarily a leisurely thing. So I am baseline exhausted – let’s put that out there.

    Now what happens next is kind of a blur. We end up settling down on a pizza place, and all of a sudden I start feeling like it is not good enough. I feel that my sister has come all the way to visit us for the weekend and so I want to show her a good time, so I start feeling we must eat elsewhere. The pizza place is blah. I say out loud “well is this really good place for us to eat, I’m not sure don’t you think that she may have fun elsewhere.” My sisterbreacts and says that ” I shouldn’t worry because I’m just here to spend quality time, I don’t have to worry about where we are going.” Which is true, of course. but I still felt uneasy. A few minutes later, out of nowhere like I can not control it I say out loud “wow isn’t this place depressing.” Given that my husband has been through so much with all this recently, he then said to me why is it such a big deal it’s just a pizza place!! My sister says too. I then proceed to say “well I’m not sure but I don’t know I don’t think this is going to be fun for her,” meaning my sister who is right there. It ends up being a huge huge debacle.

    I end up having another meltdown that is similar to the anniversary party restaurant example above. I’m not sure exactly what I said but this is how I felt. I felt overwhelmed and I felt burdened. I felt like my sister was there so I had to show her a good time and so the place that we were at, was it good enough? When my sister saw this she, she didn’t get why I was doing this. My husband also felt I needed to take a step back and be. In reality , she never said anything to make me feel uneasy or this way and it was just my insecurity. I’ve had this pattern with my sister before because I have felt I want to show her a great time, and then I put this under pressure on myself. My sister stated there was no reason she gave me to act this way. All of a sudden. To this I said, yes it is my insecurity, but for some reason when I’m around you I feel like I constantly like I have to try my best to make you happy. She got upset of course and says ” that she is happy, she has made so much progress on her own, and it is not right for me to bring the stuff up out of nowhere and really single her out and project onto her.”

    She is absolutely correct. And then it gets worse, I start getting really upset and crying and feeling just overwhelmed, I start saying things that are really inappropriate, I start saying things such as I can’t take it anymore between my mom and you I just feel so drained I just don’t have anything left. My sister of course gets upset and said well you invited me this weekend and where is this coming from, we were just sitting down about to have some pizza and now you’re doing this?

    Yes Anita it does sound crazy. Like I am unraveling at a pizza parlor out of nowhere. I was.

    Then all these things start coming to me, I think about how she was so up-and-down about whether she wants to quit work or not before that week of my vacation, which was the same exact time that my dad had chest pain and had to get the procedure. It was that week in which I spoke to you every day and we realized so much. During those conversations I saw that my sister is a lot like my mother, and constantly giving into her was accommodating it wasn’t going to even help her get better. This was also during a time where you had mentioned that you were no longer going to communicate her in that same fashion , because you would also not accommodate that sort of behavior. That was a very important time in my life for me. you showing me that was very pivotal.

    And it was interesting on Friday all of the sudden that came up, I realized how draining that was on me, between my mother making a huge thing about me not showing up for my dad‘s procedure, my sister had really put me through the ringer with going up and down about whether she wanted to be a part of her program or not. Which was so draining I had told her that week away that I couldn’t speak to her. I needed space.
    That is just one example and not to say that this is the only way my sister functions. In fact I have done the same to her many times I am sure too. The root of it all is our mother, who has created a negative an abusive environment our whole life, so as you see it trickles down. She has created anxiety and issues in both of us. However I made a huge step a month ago to cut off contact with my parents, so my threshold for dealing with negativity has become very low.

    It was wrong of me to put this all out there, it was wrong of me to say things like this about her and in front of my friend who is a third-party. It was rude and volatile.

    My husband and sister stepped out fora moment then because he wanted to calm her down. During this time I sat there and contemplated and I said to my friend, I think I just can’t take it anymore, I can’t be a caregiver to her. He said well this is just her coming here and trying to have fun she hasn’t done anything wrong. I said yes but I think I have a lot of anger and built-up resentment and just frankly an overwhelming feeling around her. The moment that she came here I felt like I regressed and went backwards, kind of the way I do when I pick up the phone with my mom I automatically start feeling anxious and depressed.

    Needless to say our night ended early, and my sister was so upset that my husband got her a separate hotel room for the night. Which was a good idea. For the next few hours I spoke to my husband and I really figured out a lot of things that caused me to be triggered in this way. I realize like I said above that soon as my sister arrived I felt that same anxious depressed feeling. The kind that I would feel when I would be around my mom. I did feel bad about this because my sister did not do anything to invoke this, it was merely her presence. She had mentioned this at the pizza parlor before we left, she said to me “do you know how horrible it is to say to someone that just your presence makes me upset and uneasy.” She is right it is horrible. But I think it’s true…

    I realized the following: yes her mere presence makes me anxious and uneasy. I think this is the link to the role that I’ve had to have in her life which has been uplifting her and being her support system. And I think it also has to do with the fact that she does have qualities of my mother that can be draining without having the awareness of what she is doing to those around her. Lastly I think that it is also some PTSD of going up and down with her over the last few months, and so unfortunately even if she doesn’t do anything wrong per se I still feel that around her. It was my first time seeing her over the last seven months but we speak all the time, but seeing her in person made me realize very quickly that the energy I had was changed instantly when I was around her. How interesting though, it’s not like when she arrived she was negative, it was not like she arrived and had anything bad to say, she arrived and everything was going as normal and fine as could be, but yet I felt like that. This sounds similar to a lot of times I have felt like this around my mother as I mentioned. Is it mean to think and say out loud to myself or to someone, that just your presence makes me uneasy and uncomfortable. Yes it is, but I think it’s the truth.

    The next morning we were able to get back on a better path all three of us went for a walk on the beach and proceeded our day in a normal fashion, we had many different activities, and then my husband and I had a work related dinner.

    My sister was going to meet a friend while we were going to our work dinner. I noticed something again, that it was causing her a lot of anxiety about what she would do while we were busy, she was trying to act like she was fine and that she could just go hang out on the beach and she didn’t need plans, but on the flipside she would make comments like oh well if I have a few hours I should probably just make a definitive plan. I realize once again it wasn’t like she was asking me to be stressed about it for her -but naturally given that I have that nurturing motherly role I went and got involved and said OK well let me try to help you figure out what you want to do. To that she would say “well don’t worry about it because you have an important meeting to go to I’ll take care of myself.”

    It’s hard to explain but it’s kind of like if you have someone visiting from out of town, and they are at home while you’re at work during the day. And if the person is a mentally healthy individual that is independent, has their own life: you don’t really worry about them while you’re at work because you know that they have enough things to occupy themselves with and they’ll figure it out.
    But on the flipside if the person that is staying at home while you’re at work is lonely and not very stable, you worry the whole time when you’re at work that, are they bored? are they lonely? I wonder what they’re doing…

    Now the latter person will say well I didn’t really ask you to worry about me so you shouldn’t be. But the truth of the matter is is that this person doesn’t have to ask for me to worry (or even show any signs). just their presence is going to cause anxiety while you’re at work because the baseline kind of person who they are. Just because of the baseline kind of person they are.

    This is quite interesting. One may say well that’s on me, my sister is fine and perhaps I am hypersensitive and feeling uneasy because I am thinking that I have to always help her when in reality she’s fine. Yes, one may also say, just leave her alone you don’t have to baby her. One may also say, you don’t have to read into everything, why is it a big deal you go do your thing and let her do her’s. Sure. And of course I did. My example with the dinner isn’t that it was a huge deal it’s that I still felt a strange feeling of “OK what will she do?”

    And of course she mentions how she has made a lot of progress, she has become less lonely and is doing a better job with friends. However, my body and mind dont just instantly progress to that way. I don’t all of a sudden say OK great my hands are in the air my sister is 100% fine and she is no longer someone to have to worry about woo hoo!

    Also, I am not just absorbing this energy out of nowhere. The energy has to be coming from her too. I am not only focusing on past things she has said and then projecting them onto her in the present. It’s more about the above example it’s the baseline person she is, that will cause me to feel like that in almost any situation. Does this make sense?

    Going back—I also noticed something after the Friday fight, my entire demeanor changes. I become someone I don’t really like around my sister, someone who is uneasy and anxious. Someone who is on edge, someone who is talking too much and overcompensating. Someone who is not chill and relaxed (not to say that I am a super relaxed person in general as you know from everything I wrote, but this threw a torch in to my baseline feeling of being pretty centered). Just two days ago I wrote you a post that you felt was book worthy . And I agree. But yet when my sister arrived I felt like that old uneasy ball of stress.
    And she honestly did nothing to provoke this. Almost like snapping back into old me.

    1) What are your thoughts on that? I want to ask before I continue to the next part of what I have to say. As I have been thinking about this and thinking about telling you it throughout the weekend.

    2) Next,

    My husband noticed that I changed as soon as she arrives. And in fact he felt similar. He felt that he was more drained and run down the whole time because my sister was there. And mind you he is a great brother-in-law to her and when we got into this fight on Friday he took her aside and really did apologize on my behalf and played the role of mediator. He couldn’t have been better. He also mentioned that I should be the bigger person and not embarrass her like that. He made it known how terrible it was for me to make her feel that way, but also didn’t understand where my triggering was coming from. He was right.
    But as the weekend went on he did see where it was coming from even more and more. I told him that the way I acted on Friday was not correct, but there was a stem, just like the anniversary dinner with my parents it was a pivotal stem. He saw it.

    By the time that the weekend ended and I dropped both of them off at the airport, (I am staying here a few extra days) I saw that my husband was truly drained-the same face I’ve seen after a weekend with my mom. We discuss this a little bit before he got onto his flight. He mentioned how he feels that just my sister being around feels like the energy is down. It’s kind of like being around a person where you have to walk on egg shells even if you’re not doing anything or saying anything. But it’s not because she was judge mental or doing anything wrong even! I said to him well isn’t this interesting even if she was to say nothing just her presence makes us feel that way. And we both agreed yes. For example if in the future she lived locally and we saw her more regularly I can see myself feeling extremely drained just like I did with my mother. And it’s not because she is a narcissistic evil person like my mother, it’s just that with her comes a lot of the old parts of my life.
    And – she herself has some qualities of my mother. I don’t think she honestly sees how draining she can be to other people like prior to that vacation of mine when she was up-and-down with her residency program. Even you, an outside individual, felt like you had to put a “kabosh on it.”

    He mentioned something that is very true, but over the next six months we are going to make a lot of progress, I have stopped talking to my parents and we are going in the right direction. But it felt like a weekend with my sister was a step backwards. Because of that feeling of anxiety and depression that came back again and also the energy.

    Now I don’t want mean to write this to say that I no longer want to talk to my sister, or that I am above her and she is a terrible drain on me. No it is more of a very interesting observation. I felt that this weekend was an energy suck and the only reason is because she was here, I had a very stressful day just a day prior to her arriving, that I wrote to you about in a post. The interview post. But yet when she was here : nothing bad/important happened such as that —-but it was so much MORE draining. Interesting.

    At the end of the day I do feel really bad for my sister, given that you know a good amount about her as well, she has been truly abused by my mother throughout her whole life in even a different way than me. I also feel bad that she has to be in the middle with so much of the issues between my mother and I, and she gets pushed to the side often. I also feel bad that she is struggling, she does suffer from loneliness. She has her whole life. She does suffer with the inability to make very many good friends. I am proud of her for making progress, but I do know there is a long road ahead. And there is for me too, in other ways. However, I do find myself feeling similarly as I did with my mom. Such as I say out loud to myself (to her) “I know that you are suffering, but I can’t go down with you and for some reason your energy is draining to me.Unlike my mom you’re not trying to bring me down with you, it’s not your fault. It is just by nature of perhaps who you are. What a shame and it sounds very mean, but I think it’s reality.”

    What do you think?

    So as a result I think that I will just have to have some better boundaries with her. Looking back this was a very important weekend for my husband and I, with the dinner and the meetings and just soaking in the energy of this new place. It probably would have been better if she wasn’t there because the energy of the weekend was based on her not really about our surroundings. We both felt really bad admitting that to ourselves because here she was visiting just to have some quality time with us, she didn’t mean to create this aura. She has no idea she creates this aura. But she does. Also we are sensitive to it because we care about her and are kind of like parents to her so we observe this energy more than just some same aged stranger friend.

    I also see that I am someone who is still healing, something monumental just happened to me a month ago. So I cannot honestly take anyone who may be an energy suck. Whether that person is doing it on purpose or not, perhaps it doesn’t matter.

    Its like I am 25 years old and I just went through something really Traumatic and I am trying to heal, I am on the road to healing. now someone says to me, there is an orphan that needs a mother are you OK with being the mother? I said sure I would love to help this girl out.
    Then I see this child is from a background which is similar to mine with a narcissistic mother and so she is traumatized and so young that she can’t really handle it. So here I am trying to heal from my narcissistic mother and rebuild my life, and simultaneously being a mother to the child who also suffered the same but at a very different level given that she is not my age. Imagine! I am not saying that my burden is so severe as this one, but to a small degree I feel some sort of similarity.

    When I changed my phone number and cut many people out of my life, and decided to become less social, I think I needed to give myself more credit for self-preservation. I needed to give more focused to self preservation. At present.
    What I realized this weekend is that it is not about now slowly assimilating back into normal life. I still feel that so much healing has to be done; and so if I have to preserve a healing cocoon for myself I should. It is not the appropriate time for me to expose myself to other individuals or situations that will drain energy. I don’t have energy left to even sustain myself these days and so I do have to be very careful. What do you think?

    I also don’t have to feel guilty about that because it is just like the Snickers commercial, “when you are hungry you are not you.” Like on Friday I was drained and exhausted – I was not baseline me and so much more likely to snap. To avoid this it is better for me to preserve my energy in a healthy way. And also probably to create boundaries with individuals that may be draining my energy so I don’t get to such Lows.

    I am very interested in hearing your thoughts about how I reacted to my sister. And how I felt throughout the weekend.

    in reply to: Self Trust #198949
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Good morning, I was thinking similarly last night as well. I was thinking it would be a good idea to put all of this into a book. However, then I laughed to myself. The majority of times when I speak to you I am doing it via voice text. Because I am on my phone, given my job and when I am traveling, I am 90% away from my computer. Therefore I utilize voice text a lot, but that is why my punctuation and certain words are not always written correctly! Therefore if I do want to write this down for printing, I should get back to the computer! I am just joking!

    As I was making the post to you last night I noticed that there was a beginning, middle, and End. In the beginning it was more self focused, what happened to me today? Then in the middle it reflected back onto the root of this behavior, it went away from the actual incident itself and focused on the root of the discomfort and feeling. Lastly the root of the issue was tied in with future goals, the internal distress was identified as a trigger, subconscious roadblock, and then a new perspective was formed. I find that a lot of the reading I have been doing in the past was written this way. How interesting that even my post is modeled this way now, a structured through process! without me even realizing, without me even trying to make it didactic. That shows good progress to me, and it was as natural as could be!

    I think of anxiety as a frenzy, a large swarm of bees buzzing around the brain, they buzz, and buzz, and buzz, they get louder and they cause you to feel even more uncomfortable, and at some point even make you scream. Or worse – feel you have to learn to live with it….

    However, you can’t just tell these harmful bees to go away, why would they? I have found that the focus on the bees swarming around isn’t really the key, it is: what really attracted them to you anyway? Is there honey somewhere in your vicinity? What is it that brought bee number one to you and then subsequently bee number two and then bee number 100? What is that honey? Where is it? How did it get there? If I identify the honey, I can understand what made the bees attracted to me.

    I find that if I utilize this concept to dissect normal situations I can be more strategic. For example the incident with my friend at brunch, I left it feeling uneasy, like I mentioned it wasn’t uneasy about the actual conversation that was had, it was just an overall uneasy feeling. That is often harder to understand and wrap your brain around because it is a vague feeling and not acutely attached to a certain comment, or incident. However as time went on I realized that there was some honey that I had that attracted a bee. My honey in this situation was my feeling that I had to enter and fit into the same cookie mold that my friend was residing in. Not because I felt that cookie mold was great, or better, or even attractive, but I felt that this would make the situation more comfortable. She was stating her views and living in her cookie mold, that she has been in her whole life and that she will continue to be in. I perhaps shared that mode with her at a few points in my life such as when I was 14 or 15 years old. However after that I have never really lived in that cooking mode nor did I want to. The entire conversation at brunchFelt like her bringing me to the cookie mode and saying OK now get in there and fit in, you haven’t sat in there for so long try it out. And I am contorting my body into this way and that trying to get into that mode, stretching and pulling. However at the end of it, I say not only do I not fit into the small, this mall doesn’t very comfortable, and in fact I really just don’t like it. You could enjoy your cookie mauled however I’ll go down the street and find something else perhaps a fun flexible waffle maker! The reason that bumblebees even swarmed in my head after that incident is because I was holding onto this concept that I have to as before accommodate those that may not understand me. Innoway I thought that I had to stoop down to her level of the cookie mode and hi to also make it comfortable for her by sitting alongside and the same one. When I realize that this was the concept that I was holding onto I realize that this is where the anxiety would be attracted to. Without that concept being present there was no place for the anxiety too attached to, the bumblebees didn’t really find a place to really settle in on my brain because the honey was gone.

    I am glad to be able to identify this. Waking up today looking back at yesterday, I smiled. This is not because I am being phony, this is not because I am trying to force myself to think about it as a positive, no, in fact I felt that I thought of it almost as a distant memory, already. I thought of it as a learning point that I would write in a book, not an incident that happened during a week away that ruined my experience.A story that I laugh about and tell friends, not an acute event that has actively disturbed my mental state. I found that this was similar when I talked to my first friend about why I stopped talking to my parents. I wrote to you about this about two weeks ago, I mentioned the same thing to you. It was as though I was flipping back in my autobiography and reading a few pages behind. I was reciting those pages to her to catch her up to speed. I was not acutely feeling them, I was not acutely disturbed by them, nope, I was just referencing the beginning of the chapter because she had not read it.

    I find this to be different than what they call dissociating from feelings or being numb. As you know in the past I have definitely felt numb about things, and you helped me realize that staying in the negative cycle was accommodating numbness. I do not feel Numb about things anymore- it’s more that certain things just not bother me as much. Certain things are not so saturated with emotion and feeling anymore. I know that this will be ongoing, something will bother me, I will go through my tactics of trying to dissect it, and then at some point it will no longer bother me. I guess life is a cycle full of this, but I no longer think of that as a depressing and exhaustive cycle. In the past I would find this quite depressing, I would think to myself: so what, is everything always going to be a struggle? You get upset about something then you deal with it, and then you get upset again, this is such a vicious cycle- how tiring! In the past I would find this quite depressing, I do not think this way anymore. However I also do not think that life is peaches and roses and a perfectly straight line. I now feel that having coping mechanisms, and dealing with the things that life throws at you does not always have to be such an exhaustive practice. When you’re riding a bike each little rock that you go over isn’t going to knock you off your bike so you fall down and have to get up and start all over again. Nope, each Little Rock or crack in the road will just cause you to go right and left for a little bit. Perhaps that will add .2 miles onto your journey, so what. Perhaps it will make you pause at an intersection, so what. Perhaps it will make you veer to the right and end up at the lake. How wonderful. That is great you can now sit back, Sink and Savor! enjoy this Lakeview for five minutes, something you would not have come across. You would not have come across this if you didn’t have the small rock in your path. Now, you were able to have a positive experience that was unexpected, and you learn something. This is how I think of it. Of course This may not apply to large challenges in life including major issues, health, personal, career related etc. However if our bike is used to veering slightly to the right and left, pausing, accepting new paths and detours, then the bike is stable and strong enough to go up mountains and valleys as well. In due time.

    in reply to: Self Trust #198907
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita, I thought of you today and I couldn’t wait to get home and put my thoughts into words. I realize something about myself today that I know is pretty deep rooted in my upbringing. It is something that I always valued as a great quality about myself, but now I am seeing it is also something that can be very exhausting and self-deprecating. I had a job interview today that was quite unpleasant, the reason I say this is not really about the job itself but more about the way I was treated. The details of this are not truly important, what is more so is that my gut feeling was true. Halfway during the interview I realized that it wasn’t really a positive and healthy environment for someone like myself, and so I didn’t want to continue into the second portion of the interview segment. Normally I would think that something like this would be rude and unprofessional, you should always see everything through, you should never stop short, you should always begin anything that you started and not quit. Of course you should go into portion one of the interview and also portion to, you have had this great opportunity why would you not take advantage of it I would say. But I realized today that what is most important in life is gut feeling and intuition. and so I went with that and I did not continue to pursue this current position.

    The point of my story however isn’t really about this interview or about jobs at all, it is how difficult it was for me to accept what my gut feeling was telling me. It is about how difficult it was for me to say to myself you know what this feeling really sucks! I’m going to honor that and because it is a true feeling it is valid and I respect it. Instead on the contrary I felt that I had to justify it to myself, and in fact I thought that I should be more accommodating. I realize this was the key factor: it wasn’t that I was allowed to just be feeling kind of crappy about the situation. Nope. Not that simple. Instead : more about how can I deal with it. How can I deal with it. What a concept. Doesn’t this sound familiar? Coming home now and be able to sit down and really put these thoughts together this concept does sound very familiar. Looking back to my life, I couldn’t change my mom or her behavior I just had to deal with it. I couldn’t change the negative effects it had on me I had to learn how to deal with it. Did I ever in any of these years just throw my hands up and say enough is enough this is terrible and annoying and it just plain sucks. Of course not, not because I didn’t want to, not because I surpassed it, but because it wasn’t even in my realm of possibility. It wasn’t even something that came to mind. It’s like someone being on the road and driving And not even realizing that they have the option to stop the car. How could you stop don’t you have to just keep driving?

    Similarly, my entire life was never something that involves an option to really feel a negative response towards my mother and the negativity she was bringing. So. I had a very difficult time today. I had an extremely difficult time accepting my negative feeling that my mind and body were giving me. I felt indebted to the experience I was having, I felt guilty for not appreciating the experience I was having, and I felt like it wouldn’t be appropriate to not go through with it. on the contrary I had to learn how to deal. I am Cali Chica I can handle anything of course I have to deal with this so what if it is a little unpleasant, what in life isn’t a little bit unpleasant if I deal with it then I can see it through.

    For sure there are many parts of my when this quality is a good one. it has made me very flexible and adaptive in medical situations, it has been very useful in allowing me to move to all different parts of the country and be very flexible, it has allowed me to have a huge range of friendships and be able to relate to many different kinds of people. But there are lines. Honestly sometimes I don’t want to be so accommodating anymore. I don’t want to push the envelope anymore, I don’t want to push my boundaries anymore. I don’t want to be super accommodating, accepting, and can handle anything superwoman anymore. I want to be someone that says yes that was not really right for me so I just gracefully declined and I don’t have any guilt about it. I want to be able to have the self respect to say sorry nope that’s enough I’m just going to walk away not because I have some profound reason— but just because I simply want to. I situatiobs that are subtle (the smaller ones in life are harder to temper than large black and white situations) (examples an odd feeling with a friend or colleague etc)

    I no longer have to push myself to these limits of boundaries that are self deprecating and self harmful potentially. I know my self worth I know my boundaries I know my self respect —when I feel something that is unpleasant I can evaluate and honor it. My first inclination does not have to be how do I process it better, how do I gain the strength to deal, how do I gain the strength to endure. No it does not. My first inclination can be how to protect me! Wow. Self protection, giving yourself a hug and nurturing the inner.

    This is not the path of weakness this is not the path of quitting, quite contrary the path of self-preservation is actually the path of building. I realize that even one minute of my time is precious and important. even one second of a feeling of discomfort can be avoided (if I allow it – and if I can I should). For what is more important then self-respect. Self love. Self love. Wow

    I am not so low That I need to stoop down at every single moment to make myself accommodating to others and their poor management, poor treatment and poor values. I am not so low that I have to stoop down and live my life the way they do. I am not so low that I have to tolerate poor behavior. If I am strong enough to walk away from my own mother, someone who gave birth to me —because of poor treatment, I should be able to walk away from anyone or anything that my gut tells me is not just. So I shall. Self love first. The rest can wait.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Cali Chica.
    in reply to: Self Trust #198207
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for appreciating my sequoia reference! Our talk this morning really helped me, it snapped me out of the rumination cycle of past hyperfocus on old friends, and zapped me up to present.  In present day, there isn’t time for such excess thinking (if only I could always operate that way!).

    Also, I appreciate your input about the move: ” I will expect to not feel calm, settled and at ease.”

    What a great point about expectation, and how we react to our own emotions based on our preconceived expectations.  At work, I expect to be challenged and find difficulty – thus I am never surprised or caught off guard.  yet in personal life I somehow trick myself into thinking that I “should” be more relaxed even in settings when that would be almost impossible.

    I am capable of tempering my expectations to realistic situations, I just need to do a better job outside the work world, in my personal life.  this goes back to previous posts on the difference between controlling anxiety and mind wandering at work vs. home.  It will be an ongoing practice.

    One thing is for sure, it is very important for me to stick with my intuition and be candid in what I feel from within.  I have never been misguided by such.  When I say this, I mean appropriate intuition, not when I have a false sense of fear due to anxiety. More like, what is this baseline uneasiness teaching me (well like above, cut back cali chica on explaining to others).  Why is this interaction making you uncomfortable (well this person doesn’t appear to have boundaries) etc.

    Not to say I am so uber intuitive and I can figure people out always…but I sure can figure out the effect they have on me and more often than not, the reason why.  And that is valid and important.  I sense something because I feel an energy, and that energy is real and palpable to me. If it is not seen by others, that is okay.  I have faith and confidence in my radar (it sure has been calibrated many times!!).

    I am finding that I am becoming more mature in that I don’t NEED others to enjoy something “with” me for it to be real and enjoyable.  For example’s sake: I can enjoy an ice cream cone in peace without having to text someone immediately about it so they can “share” the experience.  I don’t have to instantly explain a great experience to a friend instantly.  I don’t have to blurt out a positive epiphany at every crossing.  I find this is quite common in today’s world with the hyper-connectivity, and feeling that “if others don’t know about it, it didn’t happen, or it’s not real.” This could be farther from the truth.  In fact, I hope to savor and let things sink in.  Sink and Savor.  I like the sound of that…sink and savor. i’ll keep this in mind

    in reply to: Self Trust #198057
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    What a delight to read this first thing in the morning.  In fact, this is just what I needed.

    Yes, it is much better to keep it to myself.  ESPECIALLY, if it involves an individual that I will not be able to have a “meeting of the minds with.” For example the friend from brunch does act like her life is perfect, but has had many negative things happen to her that she chooses to pretend never did.  At times it seems like she speaks as though she has it all figured out.

    This can make me uncomfortable at times when she (and others) do this.  Because I am a constantly growing, evolving human plant, I sometimes may feel “well wait this person seems to be cool, calm, collected ,and content.” So why am I uneasy and looking and diving.  Well – because I am growing, moving upwards and onwards – and she, is not.  She is stagnant, rooted in the soil, not growing, not becoming a strong sequoia, just a plain old little plant in the forest.

    Well that’s not me.

    Now that I know that, let me process that – let me have CONFIDENCE and conviction.  I do not have to dull my shine to stoop down to their level.  If they are a mere green plant with a limb, and I am a strong redwood sequoia, I may not have as much to relate to them after a while -so be it.  I will not hinder my growth to be more “relatable.”

    This is hard, and often an isolating feeling.  however as they say “it’s lonely at the top.” by no means I am at the “top.” by no means am I superior, elite, or better.  however, I am different.  I am going on a journey that most would not even dare think of, so no, I am nothing like them.

    Luckily though, my husband is just like ME.  We strive for excellence and we strive for growth, we don’t settle for stagnation.

    We have each other, no need to stoop down and look elsewhere for validation!

    in reply to: Self Trust #198029
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I was heading back to bed, and thought perhaps it will be a good idea to list the things that are on my mind.  Call them out, don’t allow them mysterious power.  So here is a stream of consciousness

    1) Where we move, will we know we made the “right” decision?  Will missing what we used to have be so overwhelming that  it will take over enjoying the new place we entered?

    2) we relate to less people as we get older, wiser, and different.  this is obvious to me in my friend circle especially the difference between those individuals who are stagnant, and those that are consistently bettering themselves.  will it be exhausting to be friends with people who aren’t like me? will it continue to cause anxiety or guilt, or the feeling to stoop down to their level of understanding (not to sound narcissistic but often their thoughts have not gone anywhere close to mine).

    or on the contrary, am I doing a great job on focusing on what I have, my husband, dog, busy life – that those friendships will be important, but not have the power to cause me grief or anxiety because I won’t allow them? hmmm

    3) will I ever feel less anxious? the busier I get (as above) the harder it is to keep the positive habits of keeping anxiety low.  so will I choose a lifestyle that will promote this? or will I just put my head down and work work go go, and not allow for this?

    4) this goes back to number 2, I don’t feel so compelled to be that social with friends, and I feel liberated by that.  However at the same time I wonder is this temporary, will I feel the old feelings of needing to be a super friend, or always available, again? I hope it can be tempered

    5) in regards to my sister, I am so close to her, as you know – however, will I begin to as time goes on, not associate her with someone who is also like my mother in many ways (not in the evil pathologic way) but in the sense that she does seem to have a draining effect on me.  This is not even her fault, likely preconditioned, even when she is doing nothing wrong! It will take time I know as she heals and I heal…

    6) if i create space for healthy habits, and a positive routine – will I be able to maintain it? or will I (like an addict) relapse to bad habits, the baseline of not focusing on self care, positive stress reducing activites, and mindful practices.

    I know I am able to live with a good routine, and I also see quite instant benefits of it.  Do I prioritize it enough? Do I feel it is worth it or sustainable.  Deep down inside, do I just think well i won’t keep up with that for long anyway…

    7) will I never know what it is like to feel content and at ease despite what people on the outside think? I do feel that way to a point, but I know there are holes in this as I am building.  I know that because I am such an empathetic and compassionate person, I am overly receptive to others’ energies and that can be quite exhausting.  I don’t want to walk around with an iron shield, but some less holes would be nice!

    8) I visualize the following: my husband and I make a decision about where we will move, after our interviews, and much thought and consideration.  this is within the next month to 6 weeks.  I ponder this, go back and forth.  Wait for that “right feeling” and realize that it may not come.  In life many large moments don’t have that “ah ha” this is the right and perfect thing feeling, it’s that over time the decision comes to reality and you see for yourself.  I allow all of this to  sink in.  And when I discuss with friends, I am excited and exuberant.  They are happy for me.  That’s it.

    I see this happening…I think it will happen.  It won’t be the end of current anxiety, but it will surely help the uneasiness of not knowing the next steps in life.  of course! if anyone didn’t know where they would be living in the next 6 months, and what job, and had a few options in front of them, they would likely be unsettled!

    will i make this process of figuring this all out extremely difficult because the baseline anxiety I have been feeling over the last 2 days.  I sure hope not.  I do want to enjoy this “journey” of exploring and seeing and having patience the decision will come.  I don’t want to hold on so tightly! I want to let it come and flow as it may….let’s see how I can do that?

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Cali Chica.
    in reply to: Self Trust #198027
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

     

    It  has been about a month since I last spoke to my parents, and I had a feeling that around this time I would write to you/feel the following.

    Like you said, as time goes on, and I become social, there will be certain people who don’t understand the decision I made, and make it a point to insert their opinion.  This happened on Saturday, we were at brunch with old friends of mine (married couple).  Towards the end of the hangout, my friend made it a point that when we have kids, we are going to want my parents around.  That it may not seem like it now, but I will, and that my parents will perhaps change and compromise.

    I did handle this quite well, I was firm, yet open in the way I was speaking.  However, the point of the story is that it left me feeling uneasy.  For the rest of the day I felt, best word, unsettled.  Now, this was not unsettled about my parents, or anything about them – nope.  It was that familiar, uneasy, unsettled anxiety feeling.  The feeling of being anxious about everything and nothing at the same time – just a general state of distress.

    Interestingly, I had not felt this exact feeling in over a month.  This makes sense to me, the events after I made that decision were quite severe.  I took it all in, took a hiatus to speaking to many individuals, and had acceptance of the decision.  Yet, real life did not change, my baseline anxiety in life did not all of a sudden disappear, normal life stressors did not all of a sudden improve.  Of course.  And so here I am back to a feeling of baseline anxiety.  I am not mad or surprised.  I by no means was foolish in the sense of , if I delete my parents from my life, all of my problems will be gone.  Nope, on the contrary, as you say I found that it was just the beginning of the “real work.”

    I will say though, this anxiety after the conversation with my friend feels like a waste.  It is useless.  Well I guess isn’t most anxiety a waste of our precious mental wellness and energy.  I do recognize that, but I do feel suffocated by it.

    I also see how, as I alluded to before, anxiety does not sit in well defined compartmentalized boxes.  So after having a general feeling of uneasiness after an event of conversation, that anxiety will find a way to seep in and saturate other events, or find its home in new places (many of which were anxiety free).  I found this happening today.  As you know we are amidst a very large decision about moving across the country.  In recent times, we have thought long and hard, compared and contrasted, and are undergoing more interviews.  This by nature is a very exhausting and overwhelming process at baseline.  I found that my generalized anxious state did not help today – at all.  Given that I left that brunch with my friend in that state, I found myself feeling an old feeling: feeling the need to justify and explain myself, and have it be validated.

    In the car heading back home, this same feeling then felt applied to the potential move.  I had thoughts such as, so if we move, will people get it, or appreciate what life we are looking for.  The answer is most likely not.  But who cares! Funny how all of a sudden this sort of anxiety is creeping in, but yet even 4 hours prior it wouldn’t have infiltrated a move!

    I saw the pattern, and see it now.  You speak to someone who has trouble relating to you, or seeing life your way.  You find you butt heads on topic A, so you probably will on topic B or C.  This does not mean there is a right or wrong, just differences, that hopefully can be respected.  However, I find that with many people, they live uni-dimensional lives, they haven’t really lived outside their comfort zone (mentally or physically) and they are going on in their merry (many times average) way.  Which is fine! I have never chosen to live like that, and especially given the mental struggles I have had to face, my life has been nothing close to mundane.

    I find that as I get older it is harder and harder to relate to such friends, although many of them are wonderful at heart.  My friend from brunch fits this category.  I see now that I am not foolish for feeling anxious post brunch.  Even when we were talking about moving to the other coast, she didn’t seem to understand, and made points about how staying close to family is most important.

    So now what, don’t talk to people who don’t get me? Well that will sure be a lonely road given that very few people have the emotional curiosity and personal development focus that I (and you, and few others) do.  So I will slowly as time goes on develop confidence in the way I am living now (this new) life, and that will correspond to my actions.

    In a month or so if I find a fabulous opportunity for work and home in another location, I won’t feel the need to explain it to others or have it validated – why – because I know what I have in front of me is great.  Because that is agreed upon by myself, by my radar.  We don’t always have this opportunity, and everything isn’t always so fabulous, so often in the grey zone we question ourselves, and we leave the door open to insecurity, wonder, and anxiety.

    I am proud to be so open minded, learning oriented, and willing to listen.  Yet, I do see how it comes with a cost.  It is saying, I am not sure about where I will be just yet, let me hear what you have to say – versus, I am not sure, and I’ll let you know when I am.  I appreciate the beauty of two way conversation, listening to opinions/advice, and sharing—-however, perhaps at this state in my life, sharing may not be the best idea.

    I found over the last month, the things I cherished was when I had a thought that was new, an epiphany, or a new feeling good or bad, I sat with it, let it sink in, and reflected (or wrote here).  I did this first and foremost.  I see that practice has been disrupted on my end now that I am back to work in overly full force, and interacting with more individuals.  I see how it is easy to lose that deliberate practice of “checking in with me” first when your life is inundated with outwardly people and stimulation.

    Knowing this, I will make it a deliberate practice to savor my thoughts, and cherish them, and perhaps even keep them to myself.  Especially when I am uneasy, it may not be the best practice to share (because with that I have to expect I will get opinions, advice and ideas that I may not want to deal with).

    I guess what I am getting to is this: right now I have a lot going on, a huge change personally given the parents, a huge decision on the horizon in regards to moving/career/putting down roots, and a large change in my approach to the types of people I want to have in my life.  I must allow time for this, not jump right in.  If it means creating more solace in the busy world I am immersing myself in, it will be deliberate, but important.  If over the last month it worked to ask myself if I am okay first, and see what I needed, then this is truly and obviously what I need.  I should not limit that when faced with other circumstances.  It will be more difficult, but I must try.

    I know this is a time of many changes, and anxiety may be inevitable.  I also know that the level of anxiety I have suffered with for a long time, will make this time of change very difficult.  I find I am feeling heavy and stuck.  I know that going back to some of the habits I had prior to “re-immersing” myself will be beneficial.  i have the tools, I just must continue regular practice.

    I am proud to have the courage to speak and heal.

    in reply to: Self Trust #197689
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    Happy Friday.  It has been a very trying week on my end.  Not in regards to my parents, more in regards to my job in patient care.  Regardless, I was reminded, as above, how difficult just the baseline of life can be, to choose right instead of left.  To choose to be calm instead of angry, to eat well instead of indulge, to go to the gym versus the couch.  We are faced with a myriad of small decisions every day in so many moments, and the accumulation of whether they are right or left, positive or not as positive, does accumulate over time.

    I have thought about how it is frustrating at times to feel like this, and how it can be isolating. My husband and I understand one another, similar job stress, as well as personal stress from parents issue.  However, the world could never imagine! I remind myself that is okay: I go back to my previous quote:

    sometimes individuals feel the need to be heard loud and clear, when they do not hear their own self loud and clear.

    I find I dealt with this over the week.  I found myself feeling frustrated when an individual didn’t “get me” and I see now it is not her job to get me, and also an unreasonable expectation on my end.

    Perhaps I was not tuning in enough and listening to what I was dealing with.

    I am dealing with some burnout on many levels, and I do look forward to some down time this weekend to recharge.  It has helped tremendously that I no longer put a large social burden on myself.  This allows more time for self preservation.  However, sometimes no matter how much space you create in your life, it can be difficult to recharge and wind down.  It as these times where it is important to tune in before burn out reaches a severe state.  I hope to tune in today.

    in reply to: Self Trust #197375
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Thank you Anita, I am pleased to and what’s funny is that all that matters, for the first time in my life I think I am pleased and I am OK, nothing else matters. So much of this confidence and strength has been accumulating over the past two years of course it is not instant, however the most acute part of that has been over the last few months and especially our talks on a daily basis while I was away on vacation, they were almost didactic, you reference this part as being the training and NOW this is the real work.  thank you for helping me through excellent training , I thank myself for being an excellent student learning all of this and also being very open-minded, receptive, and intuitive

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Cali Chica.
    in reply to: Self Trust #197369
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita, no I am not in contact with them and do not plan becoming in contact with them. They do not have this number and they have stopped harassing my husband with block numbers. I don’t expect this lack of harassment to continue of course, they will regain their harassment techniques soon I’m sure. But regardless my decision was made that night. Not once have I regretted it, not once have I felt sad about it, not once have I felt like it was the wrong decision, and not once have I felt soft and thought perhaps maybe I should feel bad for them. What I have felt over the last month or so is that life is extremely hard at baseline, relationships, work especially the line of work that my husband and I do, normal life milestones such as having a child, moving, financials, health issues, whatever else, are all difficult. This is not to say that they are insurmountable it is that there are many things in life that require our attention. I no longer have tolerance for anyone or anything in my life that makes it unnecessarily more difficult.   I know I will come across people on a daily basis will do that. I deal with that we all deal with that. However, I will not tolerate a poison or parasite that sucks me dry so I have no more energy to live. I will not tolerate someone who does not let me ever rest in peace.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Cali Chica.
    in reply to: Self Trust #197087
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    How are you? What are some new lessons you have learned recently? I would love to get some insight on where you are.

    I see how much daily effort it takes to make the “right” choice.  To not let our minds go down the rabbit hole.  I also see that with practice this is not as deliberate, and becomes more natural.  I am fortunate to see this over the last month.

    in reply to: Self Trust #196569
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Hello,

    This all sounds very reasonable.  I like how you wrote “pursing and accommodating every potential friend.” When it is written in this way it outlines the (almost) absurdity of that “job.” It outlines how out of proportional of normal that is, how intangible, and how lofty of a “fake goal” that is.  The visual that comes to find is: someone going on a walk and kicking every rock they come across, and then being asked when they returned if they enjoyed their walk.  Well how could they enjoy the journey, they made it their job to accommodate an action every step along the way.

    Or being at a fair and being told they have to shake hands with every person their age.  Then going home and being asked: did you enjoy the fair? It would be like, what fair? I was doing my “job” of pursuing every potential friend.

    Seeing this from the outside looks to me as absurd and delusional.  And yes it is! I am glad to see it this way, and I hope I can bring myself back to this feeling and visual when in the future I do give myself pressure for having that “job.” I am sure you can remind me too!

    I was taught my whole life that life is a series of doing, feeling, and acting.  I realize it is not always about action.  Life is also sitting back and observing, enjoying, and just being.  As we all know, just being is the hardest part!

    in reply to: Self Trust #196539
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Sure Anita, I am interested in your “guess as to what they may be.”

    in reply to: Self Trust #196519
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    “The more you define those dangers, the more aware of them, in a calm way”

    What are some recommendations on how I can define these dangers, at home

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