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April 21, 2021 at 9:51 am in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #378233CharlieParticipant
Thank you so much for your insight, Anita, on how to end therapy! I will ask her about this (i.e. what I need to focus on now if I want to end therapy in 3-6 months) next time I talk to her, but it won’t be until next week at the earliest, because my therapist just told me she has covid and needs to take time off to recover. I will certainly circle back to you with her response. I really appreciate your help.
Regarding my parents and #2 and #4…. my therapist advised me to change my thinking by reminding myself that their problems are not my problem, that I am safe, I don’t need to depend on their love anymore and certainly don’t need their approval, I am enough as I am. She also tells me that I can focus on caring for my son Raphael the way I wish I was cared for, it it will be like me going through childhood again and caring for myself in a way. So when I feel triggered, I try to remind myself of these things. I can’t say it always helps, though. When I feel badly, reminding myself of these things doesn’t always pull me out of my funk, but I try.
Regarding #4, My therapist noted to me once that I seem to feel guilty about simply being born. My parents (who both grew up poor but did very well in their careers) always told me I was a privileged brat, that I had it so much easier than they did, that I never have any reason to cry, etc. If I ever cried about anything as a child, they would tell me to stop and would mock me with something like “oh boo-hoo you, let me go get my tiny violin.” So I think that is where my permanent state of guilt stems from. I feel bad for being born more privileged than many, for being a stay-at-home-mom right now, for spending money on myself, etc…. all kinds of things. But I’ve been trying to hear that critical voice in my head (which my therapist said sounds like my mother and father’s voices) and redirect it.
April 21, 2021 at 4:19 am in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #378213CharlieParticipantThank you, Anita. I will talk to my therapist after another session or two about ways to continue my healing without her help. If I have unlimited resources, I would stay with her, but it’s just not sustainable to continue indefinitely. Do therapists get offended when people a client stops seeing them? I am a bit of a people pleaser, so cutting cords can be uncomfortable for me.
Regarding my parents, usually I just try to go someone alone when I am feeling overwhelmed by them, or try to change my thinking. And if I’m ruminating over something they said or did in bed at night, unable to fall asleep, I take CBD. It’s doesn’t always work, though. I’ve also spoken to my therapist about accepting myself and who I am and being aware of my parents’ critical voices that have gotten into my head over the years. I’ve recently started painting and drawing a bit every day as being creative always seems to help. If there is anything else to keep in mind or try, I would so appreciate any insight you have. Thank you!
April 20, 2021 at 5:49 pm in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #378198CharlieParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you, and thank you also for noting the positive news we received about the verdict today. Obviously there is still a lot of work to do to make our country safer, but things are looking up today 🙂
That is really valuable advice to hear about therapy. It has been helping me the past 6 months (since I ditched the wacky previous therapist and got a better one), but I definitely don’t have unlimited means and wonder how much more she could realistically do for me. Perhaps when I think I’m nearly ready to stop, I can talk to her about ways to maintain my healing?
The only other big reason why I would find it really hard to cut off my parents is because they do help a lot with my son when I am with them. They never come visit us themselves, but it’s almost worth the drive and the risk of increased anxiety for me to just have a few extra hands with my son every once in a while. He has a lot of energy, and otherwise we wouldn’t ever have any help (my in-laws being in England of course). Do you think it is possible for someone like me to eventually stop becoming so upset by their issues and continue to still be in their presence at times?
Thank you so much, Anita! And sorry that I digressed so much from my original post 🙂
April 20, 2021 at 2:52 pm in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #378187CharlieParticipantThank you again, Anita! I do think you are right. I don’t remember my parents being agitated so much by other *people* growing up, but that being said, they were always incredibly stressed out by their high-powered lawyer jobs. They very frequently took it out on me. I do think I absorbed a lot of their agitation, which is probably why I often feel triggered or agitated. I work very hard to not repeat these patterns with my son though.
What you said about my anxiety being pushed down while I am with them only to come to the surface makes a lot of sense too. I suppose I should spend less time with them? I usually only see them one or two weekends a month.
Also, I’m wondering when you think a person can finish therapy? Therapy is really expensive for me as it is not covered by insurance, and I am taking a break from the working world. Is it something I should expect to continue for a really long time? Or is their hope for someone like me (with general anxiety) to realistically stop therapy after a little while?
April 19, 2021 at 5:48 pm in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #378125CharlieParticipantThank you, Anita! Hope you have a restful night.
April 19, 2021 at 3:29 pm in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #378112CharlieParticipantYes, I believe I do feel that way. My parents actually don’t put pressure on me to visit, though. I do generally like visiting them because, aside from the fact that they are my parents, almost all of my life-long friends live near them, and it gives me a change of scenery and a few more people around to help entertain my son. But sometimes the heaviness that surrounds them gets to me. I worry about their mental and physical health – my Dad has gotten himself so worked up about my sister’s boyfriend that he’s landed himself in the hospital a few times thinking he was having a heart attack. I still do yearn to live closer to them a lot of the time (and thus, move back closer to Philly), even though I know they are dysfunctional. But I also don’t want to spend my life wishing I were living somewhere else and always looking at job postings for my husband near there. I want to be happy living in the present and with my present circumstances, no matter what is happening with other family members or in the world, but I don’t exactly know how to get there…..
April 19, 2021 at 11:41 am in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #378073CharlieParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you so much for your thoughts. They were incredibly enlightening as always. I never actually thought of questioning my therapist or asking her why she gives the advice she gives, as silly as that sounds. Next time she says something that I don’t necessarily think fits me, I will ask her why she suggests this. I also really appreciate your suggestion of abandoning the idea of intuition altogether. I hear so much about how people should be “intuitive” these days, and I’ve tried so hard to be so, but I think my anxiety is really what I’m feeling. I only ever seem to feel “intuitive” about fears afterall…..
My parents were good parents in the scheme of things. They gave me food, shelter, sent me to good schools, etc., but they are not at all emotionally supportive and can be very critical. For example, when I was struggling postpartum with my newborn son (in hindsight I believe I had postpartum depression/anxiety), my mom’s response was always that I should stop crying, get over it and count my blessings. Aside from this, there is an issue between my sister and my parents (basically my parents do not like my sister’s boyfriend for really stupid reasons and have made it known that he’s not welcome), and it looks like my sister might eventually become estranged from them. Even though it’s not my issue directly, it saddens me to see my family so dysfunctional and to see my parents so upset when I am visiting them over the issue (even though my parents are being the ridiculous ones). Why do I emotionally care so much about my parents when, logically, I know they are flawed and in many cases, very wrong? Oi vey!
I will post soon about the 2nd child issue. Just want to get my thoughts all together 🙂
April 18, 2021 at 5:52 pm in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #378009CharlieParticipantThank you, Anita! Very much looking forward to your thoughts as always.
April 18, 2021 at 11:26 am in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #377989CharlieParticipantHi Anita! Thank you so much, again, for sharing your wisdom. I have really cut down on news and media consumption in the past few months for exactly that reason. I need to work on mentally not being so upset by my parents for sure. It’s the main reason I started therapy.
A follow up question is, how do I know something is intuition or my anxiety? For example, if I feel nervous, is it my intuition telling me something bad will happen? Or is it my anxiety taking over?
Another follow up question is, how do I know therapy is working or if what my therapist’s advice is right for me? I agree with a lot of what my current therapist tells me, but find myself questioning other things she says (such as her advice for the above).
I still want to circle back with you in a few weeks regarding the 2nd child issue I had last year if that’s ok! I definitely haven’t forgotten 🙂 Thanks, Anita!
April 17, 2021 at 5:42 pm in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #377967CharlieParticipantThank you, Anita! I don’t really have any more questions, but if you don’t mind, I’ll just expand a bit. Overall, my anxiety since I last wrote in the summer has been better. I am still debating the 2nd child issue, but now that my son is a little older, the fact that Trump is no longer president, and the fact that we are hopefully seeing some light at the end of the tunnel in terms of covid, makes the idea of a 2nd child a bit less scary. I still have anxieties about it, but no where near as panicky as I was last year.
Certain times of year and certain things seem to trigger my anxiety, I’m beginning to notice. One is the weather. I live outside of New York City, and winter and the start of Spring can be difficult for me, especially during a pandemic. The winter is cold and gloomy, and the spring is often rainy and gloomy. Until 3.5 years ago, I spent my whole life in Philadelphia, so I don’t really have close friends or family near me. I think I became a bit more anxious than I was pre-baby perhaps because of isolation on top of the fact that being responsible for a tiny human who can’t form sentences can be challenging.
Now add up the gloomy weather, the lack of close friends or family, and then any combination of 1) news of horribly upsetting national events and/or 2) drama involving my parents, and sometimes I just feel like we should pack up and leave the country. Or move somewhere rural where I have easier access to nature or the sea and I can clear my head more easily. But obviously this would not keep me or my son risk-free either, nor would it prevent me from being upset by world events, my parents, etc. This is why I was kind of taken aback by my therapist really encouraging me to pack my bags and “go on an adventure.” She told me it was my intuition telling me I need to move our family somewhere safer and that I need to listen to my intuition. But is it really my intuition, or is it my response to anxiety? Things like this sometimes make me feel more confused and conflicted coming out of therapy than I was before the session started!
PS: I actually live in a very safe suburb of NYC. So my therapist saying I need to move somewhere safer is in terms of national events and the “American culture of violence” (as she says), not local crime outside my door.
April 17, 2021 at 1:53 pm in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #377951CharlieParticipantPS: I stopped working recently to take care of my son full-time during Covid. Not sure I will ever go back to being a lawyer in that capacity as I think it might have been too much for my anxiety. I would love to volunteer in some capacity in the future, though. While working in a job that is a bit less stressful 🙂
April 17, 2021 at 1:36 pm in reply to: Anxiety about Raising Children in Era of Mass Shootings #377948CharlieParticipantHi Anita! Thank you so much, I ALWAYS appreciate your advice and am so grateful. Yes, you can call me Charlotte :). Honestly, you sharing your wisdom with me throughout the years has helped more than therapy or anyone else. You’ve given me a lot to think about here and put things into perspective. You are right that moving away would not likely alleviate my anxiety because it’s always been there. I switched therapists after you pointed out that one of my previous ones was giving out very dubious advice, and my new one is much better. However, when I told her about this dilemma yesterday, she basically told me that yes, I should move because the US is a mess. It left me feeling a bit overwhelmed with even more questions than I had before the session. I’m grateful that you could share a different perspective!
I’m wondering if there is any hope for someone like me who will probably always struggle with anxiety coming and going (usually triggered by world events or family issues completely out of my control) – in addition to therapy, exercise, and meditation. These are helpful for me to an extent but find sometimes I feel I could need a bit more for a bad day. CBD? Magnesium supplements? Ashwaghanda? Not sure if that’s beyond the scope of here but I’m just curious since you know so much about anxiety!
CharlieParticipantHi Anita,
No worries at all about the name confusion! Thank you so much for being here in this space and for sharing your wisdom with people like me. I am sure you’ll hear from me in a few months, if not before. 🙂 Have a great day!
Charlotte
CharlieParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you, and I completely agree. My parents are big city lawyers at the top of their organizations. I always thought they were decent people but seem to have been more radicalized recently. The only silver-lining I see is that, until recently, I always sought their approval and was very hurt when I didn’t get it. Seeing the types of things they stand for (i.e. Trump) was a wake up call, and I no longer have the desire for the approval of people like that, parents or not.
Thank you again for all of your help. Fingers crossed for a change in administration in November and for the end of the pandemic. I’ll touch base here in a few months if I’m still feeling unsure about a 2nd child and run my thoughts past you, if that’s ok. You are the best.
Charlotte
CharlieParticipantThank you, Anita! Also, I meant to also ask if you think Trump’s presidency is a valid reason to re-consider having another child? I believe you might have hinted at that above, and I was wondering the same. If he is re-elected in November, I will certainly feel more hesitant, but I’m not sure if that’s a valid reason, as I know every generation has had their challenges. Interested to hear what you might think.
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