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Dear anita,
Thank you again for your kind words.
(1) i wasnt diagnosed with a specific class of ptsd. My therapist at the time told me that i had it, but because she wasnt specialised i was told to go to a specialist, for which im still searching. She gave me this advice at the end of the therapy.
(2) she was diagnosed with bpd in a clinic, later on she went to a therapist regularly who – as she told me – wasnt sure about the bpd diagnosis and wanted to check that through a longer process and also thought that my ex might have codependent personality disorder. After shutting down communication with me my ex never told what her therapist diagnosed. What do you mean with ,,something i came up with”?
(3) her anger wasnt destructive. My ex was very passive-aggressive and very tense, up until when she would try to start an argument. She did storm out a few times during arguments, but not very often.
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
I was worried for a moment that talking about ,,paying” even in a self-pitying way was a problem when saying this on a free forum.
My moment of self-hate was a feeling of ,,stop annoying anita with your drama when she already helped you so much and move on with your life.”
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
i felt very distressed before.
“Are you okay with continuing this discussion?… can’t pay you any more in return for your work than expressions about my honest appreciation”/ “When I submit this post, the paragraph above becomes public record and you and I will hold me accountable for what it says.” – i hope me writing this doesnt bring any legal trouble, kind of sounds like it if i interpret it correctly? i had a bad moment of self-hate and correlating stress when writing this, no legal harm intended.
“My input: it takes courage to do what you did here: to talk about what’s causing you self-doubt and distress. Addressing issues that cause us distress is difficult and should be done with care, in small portions and gently.” – thank you and you are right. i learned this just with my previous post (small portions and gently).
“When people were not exact in what they said, if what they said over time had any inconsistencies, I was immediately suspicious that they were lying. I didn’t understand that everyone’s memories are imperfect and that at different times people remember different aspects of the same experience” – i understand. i often feel the same way, especially when stressed.
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
i am sorry for venting so much again. writing about this is once again hard for me. writing about these things just makes these moments so real again and i feel so unsure about whether i understood things right or if my ex was right and i got everything wrong.
but i am still grateful for you asking.
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
are you okay with continuing this discussion? i just want to be sure about that, because i dont want you to feel pressured in any way to continue investing your time and thoughts if you feel like you said enough. i dont and cant pay you any more in return for your work than expressions about my honest appreciation.
,,so you believed that the bad part or parts of you caused another person to treat you accordingly, as in: bad treatment for bad Ed, justice served. Right?” – yes. me writing this was part of me saying what i learned, not something more for debate, because i think we did discuss this enough (?), at least for my part.
i cant really say when my ex started gaslighting, it was more like me feeling increasingly uneasy with things she said or how she behaved. the most common moments which felt wrong were mostly when i tried to talk to her about the state of the relationship, her and my feelings. after her behaviour towards me changed, i tried to talk to her about that for a long time. in the beginning she told me that she would be sorry, that she was ,,going to do better” (i am still confused about that wording) and that she wouldnt know why she grew increasingly distanced. after half a year later and things getting worse she told me that ,,things wouldnt be so bad” as i made them out to be, that she would be doing ,,so much” for me and that i wouldnt recognize all those things and that i would be wrong about my point of view.
she would also deny having said certain things in arguments or altering them slightly to make them sound less harsh. for example at one point, she admitted to let off steam by being mean or aggressive to me and when i later wanted to talk about that she pretended to be unsure about her having said that.
after reading again about the definition of gaslighting, i can add her telling people we both knew at the time how irresponsible i was concerning my mental health and that i would be getting worse. up to the point when 2 former friends approached me to tell me that i should end the relationship and when i asked my ex later what she told them about me, she denied ever telling them something. later another former friend told me that she did vent to him about me.
i have thought a lot about me having made a mistake concerning my feelings and perspective for a long time and i am afraid of me being wrong all along. then again she would behave like i used to know her when with friends or family and then suddenly change when she was with me alone.
gaslighting was pretty common with my parents. it would start with little lies about food me or my siblings bought for ourselves; when my parents ate it and told us that it was never there. promises my parents made but then denied ever making. accusations or hurtful things they said but then also denied ever saying.
still with gratitude,
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
Thank you for your kind words and making learning about myself possible. I am lucky to have found you.
I have been thinking hard about your words and will continue to do so.
I understand that i held myself accountable for how others treated me, feeling like i was the cause for being treated bad. Like you suggested, this being my core conflict with myself since my childhood.
I have also understood that i am indeed doing almost everything right regarding the syptoms of my mental illness, but because my core issue is not my chronic depression but ptsd, i will change my priority to working on that front.
Regarding the topic i started i understand now that i was not the person my ex wanted to be with and i am fine with that, i even understand what things about me made her hate me. When things got bad for me i held myself accountable, my head being filled with all the wonderful things my ex said to me during the good first year; thinking that if i would change or do better the relationship would become great again. But i realise now that even though i was fighting the ,,wrong” side of my issues (depression instead of trauma) that that wouldnt have mattered to her. She chose to lie to me for a year und drag me along, pretending that everything was good when it wasnt and gaslighting me about everything going wrong. She chose to treat me fragmented, ,,loving” the parts of me that she liked but almost punishing me for the parts of me she didnt like, instead of ending the relationship. I understand now that this behaviour triggered my ptsd and leading me deeper into the confusion im in now and always was, because i experienced this abuse time and time again before.
I will think about what you said regarding the contact to my parents.
With gratitude,
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
I still dont know what to say.
But i want to express my deepest gratitude for your undoubtedly hard work (i never thought you would invest hours of your time to make a post) and kind words.
Thank you so much.
I will take some time to try to really understand things, my head is spinning (in a weirdly good way).
With gratitude,
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
I am speechless.
You used words to give my struggle and pain a form that finally makes sense.
,,anita: Not Guilty” is so fucking powerful. I am truly happy for you to be able to live these words.
Ed
EdParticipant* sorry for my bad grammar and spelling these posts. Writing about this is freeing but stressful.
Thank you for asking about this.
I hope youre doing better after i triggered you.
Ed
EdParticipant* i can remember one more:
My ex was dissatisfied with how often we would go out on dates etc. This started during the pandemic and got steadily worse. I dont know what to think about this complaint, because almost each week i would ask her if she wanted to go out and do something bigger than meeting friends or family. She always replied that ,,no, she would be glad to stay home because was tired and exhausted and would enjoy time with just me”. When i told her this while reafing her list she said that i shouldnt ask her if she wanted to go out, but i should prepare plans in secret to surprise her with it. I never did that to not put pressure on her and her depression.
EdParticipant*to make my wording clearer: after 6 months without knock-out days i was critised for having them.
EdParticipantDear anita,
I would like to give you the whole list, but after burning it (a recommendation of a crisis therapist) i can only remember some points, maybe the most important ones.
– my ex was dissatisfied with my sleeping habits. While i was struggling with the correct doses of my medication and struggling with life choices, i had a hard time sleeping. She told me that on weekends, i shouldnt sleep longer than until 11 am, mostly i slept until 12, because she would wake up at around 9-10.
– my ex was unhappy about how often i texted her. She wanted me to text her about almost everything i would do during my days, when i would do it and with whom i would be with.
– my ex felt pressured about me asking her how she was doing, especially her mental health. She refused to tell me anything about her feelings and called me her ,,therapist”, even though i made it clear multiple times that i wasnt interested in the specifics of her problems, i was intetested in her wellbeing and didnt want to discuss anything, just wanting to know how she felt.
– my ex pressured me extremely to get more therapy, most importantly to her i should go into a psychiatric clinic. I still dont know why the clinic was so important to her, because she didnt care which clinic. She told me that my problems with suicidal thoughts would make her anxious when i would need a few days (1-2) alone to cope with them. This argument hurts the most. Not only because my therapist at the time gave me praise when i explained how and why i did my coping the way i did; but also because around half a year before i got the list i followed my therapists advice about not suppressing my suicidal thoughts which would lead to my knock-out days. I had no more knock-out days for 6 months when i received this complaint.
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
It is good to hear that i didnt hurt you. I was afraid that i did. Im glad that you are learning more about yourself and that it helps you healing.
This moment we had in our conversation showed me something too: i am desperate for a judgement about my past, in the sense that i am desperate to know if i did wrong and deserved what i experienced or if i am allowed to free myself and move on. I also learned that only i can decide that.
The situation i had with my last ex just woke up this life-long conflict in me and made my desperation real again after i thought that i had grown out of it.
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
I am sincerly sorry that i pushed too hard.
I dont really know how to respectfully proceed from this.
Ed
EdParticipantDear anita,
I will talk about myself and pause my questions.
Ed
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