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  • in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108667
    Hopeful33
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    What I forgot to add is that because I saw him away from that setting, it was easier for me to believe that he was a lot stronger emotionally than what he was. I now wonder how much strength he took from our dynamic. Maybe he really believed he could convince them and make it all work. That saddens me, as I think he bore the stress of this on his shoulders for a long time and never told me because it was so important to him that I loved his family. If he’d told me what was going on, he was probably right in his thinking – I wouldn’t have been able to look at them in the same way again.

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108666
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    I won’t lie – I guess I won’t be able to ever fully understand it, as I’ve always been a person who lets my heart do the talking. I thought ‘head people’ were very much fictitious, because I cannot ever imagine making a sacrifice that big in my life. But I guess that’s naive of me – I can only speak for myself, as I only know how to experience life through my own eyes. My upbringing has shaped me the way I’m sure his upbringing has shaped him.

    I think the issue here is that our relationship played out away from his home country, so I rarely ever got to see him interact in that setting. I spent a month there a couple of years back, and it was enough for me to see how much influence not only his immediate family has, but his extended – in particular his mother’s siblings. They all seem to work in sync with each other in order to influence and get their own way. They’re all very much in each other’s business, play the guilt card on a daily basis, and gossip about one another behind their backs.

    Because I got to know my ex away from this, I didn’t see him in this dynamic. It’s only once I was there that I saw how it worked and how stressful it must be. When we were together, he’d Skype with his mum all the time, particularly towards the end of our relationship. And he’d always be down and moody when he finished talking to her, which was in contrast to the way he would be when me and him would finish Skyping with my family.

    I am glad I got to visit as I got to see how it all worked and I can imagine how it all played out. The thing that pains me is how manipulative and two-faced his mother was. I thought she liked me, although I had proof that perhaps there was something not quite right there. She bare faced lied to me, which also hurts.

    So while I do understand what you’re saying – how he’s numbing himself, and trying to convince himself that he’s done the right thing, I, as a heart person, find it so extremely difficult to believe someone can do something like that, let alone function relatively normally after doing so. If I were in his situation I’m sure I would have gone even more to pieces than I did when we broke up. Although my therapist explains this by saying that back him he had a lot to keep himself busy with – his decision, for one. The task of getting back on track with the career chosen for him, wedding preparations, the praise from everyone etc. But surely this will all end at some point? How do you then manage to live a life that was chosen for you without falling apart?

    Is he just stronger than me? Or is it just another way of thinking?

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108657
    Hopeful33
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    Hello again,

    So you feel that it was his way of putting a mental closure on the whole thing? And that part of him believed what he was actually writing at that time?

    The funny part is, I saw their wedding photos a few months back. I always assumed I would go to pieces if I saw those photos, but I didn’t feel anything. They gave me no emotional reaction and I realised afterwards it’s because in all their photos they look…I’m not sure what the word is. Like friends, and not even close friends at that. There’s no emotional warmth between the two of them like you see in photos of some other couples.

    I know you can only tell so much from photos, but I do know our photos looked different. My friend said he blossomed with me and now he looks broken and spaced out. Is it possible he’s just numbed himself and is going through the motions? I just don’t understand how he can live such a lie and not crack – how do people do that? Is it even possible to do that? To convince yourself that what you’re doing is the right thing even when in your heart you know it isn’t?

    Anyway thank you, your words really did help – and it was nice to ‘relax into’ the fact he loved me. I’ve been in so much pain for the last 12 months and I have to say reading your words helped me release some of that because what you said really resonated with me.

    Regarding a new partner, I haven’t even thought about it at this stage. I still haven’t got my life back on track so I cannot even bring myself to think about seeing someone else. I still need to find myself a place to live, decide where I want to live etc. I do worry about being in a relationship again because I do fear trust will be an issue – I never in a million years ever thought something as crazy as this would happen to me and I have to admit it’s scared me to a big degree. But I’m hoping that once everything else starts to fall into place again that it will be less of an issue – I guess I just have to play it by ear.

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108554
    Hopeful33
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    Anita,

    You really have a gift for seeing through situations – even at the time it did feel a bit like he felt he was “doing the right thing” so to speak, and quickly launching himself head first into the whole thing as a way to ‘get rid’ of any ‘negative’ feelings he may have been feeling – feelings associated with his love towards me. So thank you for talking me through this, it’s been really helpful and it makes a lot of sense.

    What I meant by my last line was this: his email was technically a response to an email I sent to him 10 days previously in which I said I felt that there was more than what met the eye to what was going on. I, at the time, didn’t think his parents were arranging his marriage, but I did feel they were pressuring him into doing things he didn’t want to do – stay in his home country, do a career he didn’t want to do etc. So I said this in the email and added that I felt the ex was an escape route – a way for him to avoid facing up to what was going on. I also added that he hadn’t faced up to something that happened in his past (unrelated to the ex) – it was slightly irrelevant to the rest of the email, but also relevant, as I felt it was contributing to what was going on.

    I said that if I was right in my way of thinking, to get in touch so we could sort things out. I also added, though, if I was completely off the mark, to leave me alone so that I could get on with my life. In other words, I didn’t want a response from him because his silence would have told me all that I needed to know, and I genuinely meant that. Had he not replied I would have taken it to mean he was doing what he wanted to do and that was the end of it.

    Hence why I was extra upset that he felt the need to send that to me – in my eyes, no response would have been better, as I already told him I’d interpret that to meaning that I was wrong or that he was okay doing what he was doing at the time.

    Does that make more sense?

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108528
    Hopeful33
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    Hi Anita,

    My therapist also said something along the same lines – how for his mum to have had to resort to all this game playing to get what she wanted, then clearly I must have mattered a lot to him. And I see what she means – if he genuinely didn’t want to be with me, there would have been no need for all the drama and smokes and mirrors that followed.

    What I don’t understand is this: I can see how the therapist did indeed convince him to believe what he wrote in that email, however, I still cannot see why he’d think it was a good idea to send me what he did. If anything, you’d soften the blow and say something that would hurt a little less – not essentially crush the other person by making out our whole relationship was a lie when clearly it wasn’t.

    That’s the bit I struggle with – trying to figure out why on earth he’d think it was a good idea to send me that message when he could have perhaps said something else, or nothing at all – I did say in the end of my email to leave me be to get on with my life if I wasn’t right in what I was saying.

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108489
    Hopeful33
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    Anita,

    Thank you. It’s amazing how you seem to see it all very clearly – as clearly as everyone here (my family, friends etc). My dad, in fact, named the therapist a ‘witch doctor’ as he said from the start that he believed the therapist was paid by the family to parrot to my ex what they wanted him to believe/hear. I.e. that he didn’t really love me, that he was only with me out of guilt, that it was nothing but infatuation perhaps. Now thinking about it, it feels like perhaps they started pressuring him into seeing his ex as marriage material when he got home, he clearly was trying to say he loved me and wanted to be with me, but with all the pressure started feeling ‘confused’ which is when the ever so helpful mother would have suggested he sees a therapist in order to get a professional point of view.

    Funny how this ‘professional’ therapist also ‘recommended’ he spend some time with his ex as it would do him good – I’m no therapist, but I know enough about therapy and psychology to know that if someone had effectively been ‘faking’ a relationship for three years, I would advise for him to be alone for some time, to get his head together first, live alone etc. Not spend time with the ex when he’d just broken someone else’s heart.

    I also wonder if the therapist was an astrologer. In his culture, an astrologer is consulted in order to see if two people are matched before they get married. It wouldn’t surprise me if the ‘therapist’ wasn’t even a pretend therapist – if he was an astrologer or religious guru type person. I’ve actually heard about this before – parents from his culture consulting religious gurus when their children go ‘haywire’ – i.e. when their children want to do something against their wishes. They told me it was a therapist because that’s a ‘language’ I could understand so to speak.

    Thank you Anita. This has certainly helped me get a bit of clarity from someone who is totally objective to the whole thing. Like you said, it doesn’t deal with my ‘tree’ but I think I’ll read your reply back to myself whenever I’m having one of my moments of doubt.

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108485
    Hopeful33
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    And he didn’t specify at which point he felt guilt, which made it sound like he felt that way throughout the relationship. I am angry now that I think about it – there had been a few points during the relationship when I said I wanted to end the relationship and he begged for me to reconsider. If in fact what he’s saying is true, you’d think that during those times he’d have had the perfect excuse to leave things be and let me end it, but to the contrary he wanted me to stay. So how he can then say at the end he stayed with me out of guilt, like he was doing me a favour, is beyond me.

    And the reason for these arguments were rages he began having after about 12 months together. Ironically that was the point at which we got serious about each other, so I now feel perhaps his mum was causing conflict from an early stage without me even realising she was.

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108484
    Hopeful33
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    I’d rather not share the whole thing as I can’t bring myself to look at it, but he started out by saying that I didn’t deserve what he had put me through for the weeks leading up to the email, and that my family didn’t deserve it either.

    Then he went into the fact he’d seen a therapist for ‘three detailed’ sessions, during which the therapist came to the conclusion (which he agreed with) that he was only in a relationship with me to prove to himself he could love someone other than his ex. And that because of what my dad had done in the past (i.e. left the family) he didn’t want to do the same thing to me, too, so he stayed with me out of guilt.

    He also added a few other things, that I can’t really detail here as they are in reference to something I had brought up in the email I had sent to him about a traumatic part of his childhood.

    He then ended the email saying I was a gem of a person, that I’d always tried to show him the ‘right path’ and that he believes I’m strong enough to do whatever I put my mind to.

    That’s as much as i remember. What I do distinctly remember is how the tone of the middle paragraph was quite different to the opening and closing paragraphs.

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108476
    Hopeful33
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    Maria,

    Thank you for your response to my post. I had heard of twin flames before but never really read much about them – I don’t suppose you know of any good sites that can give me an accurate overview of what the term means?

    Your reply was very helpful, thank you. And you’re right, great personal growth can come from pain. I was doing so well until now but I feel the anniversary of the breakup has put me back slightly. I do need to focus on being the love I never received when I was growing up and on seeing how I am loveable. It’s an issue I had way before he came into my life and one that I’ll always have unless I take this time to heal from the past properly, which is why I’m focusing on it.

    It’s funny, even at the time I felt he had regressed when he went home. He turned into a shell of a person. He kept complaining about pressure but never actually telling me what the pressure was. He lashed out, became difficult to talk to. I lost all ability to reason with him and because I was also going through family trouble here at home I wasn’t at my best to deal with it. But it did feel like within weeks of him being back there he turned into someone else.

    All in all, it’s an incredibly sad situation. I happened to see his wedding photos a few months back and the strangest part was, they didn’t upset me. I just couldn’t see any joy emanating from them like you see in some couples’ wedding photos. They looked…odd together. I always assumed that if I saw their wedding photos I’d go to pieces, but if anything it was just further proof that this isn’t what they tried to portray to be. Around what turned out to be time of the wedding, I had this vivid dream in which I was holding and consoling him while he told me he still loved me. I said I know and then woke up. I felt there was something more to this dream – it didn’t feel like ‘normal’ dreams. I guess I’ll never truly know if it meant anything, but at that time it felt prophetic almost.

    And yet now I’m back to doubting everything again. I’m frustrated, but trying to ‘ride’ through the emotions in the hope I’ll start feeling better in a week or so.

    Thanks again.

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108475
    Hopeful33
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    Anita,

    This is very frustrating – I wrote you a long reply and it’s now disappeared 🙁 But I wanted to say thank you for your thoughtful response to what I had posted. I have lurked on these boards for a while and I was always encouraged by the balanced, positive replies that people give here, which is what gave me the courage to share my story.

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on what he may have been thinking when he sent me that email – it’s certainly a perspective I hadn’t considered fully, but that makes sense. Him and I broke up briefly during our first year together, and when we got back together two weeks later he told me that him and his mother had argued because she’d told him that it was for the best that we had broken up – the reasons being because I wasn’t from their country, I’d never live there, i couldn’t speak the language and wouldn’t be able to teach our kids their culture. I now feel this was her making her real feelings known at a time when she wouldn’t seem like the bad guy and I don’t think she expected we’d get back together. With this in mind, when everything imploded this time last year I am sure she would have said she made her real feelings known back then and may have asked him to justify why he got back together with me when he knew how the family really felt – hence, he may have replied by saying because of my background he felt guilty to breakup with me, which couldn’t be further from the truth, especially at that point – he wanted us to get back together just as badly as I did when we broke up the first time.

    So, thanks – it certainly helped to read your reply and made sense. People tell themselves all sorts of things to make themselves feel better, especially when they feel they cannot change a situation. My friends and family believe he intentionally set out to hurt me with that email to keep me away. He knows i’m a spirited person, and had I really known what was going on there is every likelihood I would have been on the first plane out to find out why they were doing this. But if you tell someone you’ve never really loved them, you give that person every reason to turn their back and walk away. I’m just surprised that he didn’t realise the impact those words would have on me – they didn’t anger me, they almost destroyed me.

    I am currently in therapy and trying to explore the reasons why I feel so unlovable. I just find it so sad that even with every single person I know saying to me that they firmly believe his family are the main reason behind the breakup, I find it easier to believe I was with someone who never truly loved me. When I was with him, I never doubted that love. Sure, I had insecurities, but I never once remember being in bed at night and wondering if he actually loved me or not. He was very open with his love, very affectionate and it felt very real at the time. But I’m struggling now. His words in that email have impacted me in a deep way and I sometimes wonder how long it will take me to be able to fully let go of the impact they’ve had.

    in reply to: A year on and I'm still broken #108473
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