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  • #108554
    Hopeful33
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    Anita,

    You really have a gift for seeing through situations – even at the time it did feel a bit like he felt he was “doing the right thing” so to speak, and quickly launching himself head first into the whole thing as a way to ‘get rid’ of any ‘negative’ feelings he may have been feeling – feelings associated with his love towards me. So thank you for talking me through this, it’s been really helpful and it makes a lot of sense.

    What I meant by my last line was this: his email was technically a response to an email I sent to him 10 days previously in which I said I felt that there was more than what met the eye to what was going on. I, at the time, didn’t think his parents were arranging his marriage, but I did feel they were pressuring him into doing things he didn’t want to do – stay in his home country, do a career he didn’t want to do etc. So I said this in the email and added that I felt the ex was an escape route – a way for him to avoid facing up to what was going on. I also added that he hadn’t faced up to something that happened in his past (unrelated to the ex) – it was slightly irrelevant to the rest of the email, but also relevant, as I felt it was contributing to what was going on.

    I said that if I was right in my way of thinking, to get in touch so we could sort things out. I also added, though, if I was completely off the mark, to leave me alone so that I could get on with my life. In other words, I didn’t want a response from him because his silence would have told me all that I needed to know, and I genuinely meant that. Had he not replied I would have taken it to mean he was doing what he wanted to do and that was the end of it.

    Hence why I was extra upset that he felt the need to send that to me – in my eyes, no response would have been better, as I already told him I’d interpret that to meaning that I was wrong or that he was okay doing what he was doing at the time.

    Does that make more sense?

    #108578
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful33:

    You are welcome and thank you!

    I think what you wrote to him before his last email to you was not his focus at all when he wrote you his email. The fact that you emailed him may have pushed him toward emailing you back when he did, but when he chose the content of his email, I don’t think he had your words in mind. He didn’t think: this is what hopeful33 wants, so I am going to give her the other thing, or anything like that.

    I still think he was (and probably still is) under great distress and he composed his email with two goals in mind:
    1) To be as kind to you as he could, telling you that you were a gem in his life, showed him the path (from my memory of yesterday).
    2) To cognitively, rationally and emotionally, on his part, close the chapter on his relationship with you. In so doing he was going to relieve himself from the great distress that he has been exposed to day after day since he went back to his home country, and proceed with his mother/ culture plan for him (country of residence, career choice, arranged marriage- a whole different life, a new chapter).

    To cognitively close the chapter on what he had with you, he put into practice the contribution of the “therapist”- not so to hurt you and not with you as his focus- but to help himself move on.

    — So what I see is that you have been a bit too focused on your end of things, misunderstanding that email and the whole situation to some degree all along. Once he was back in his home country, it was hardly about you, what happened. It would have taken a very exceptional man to not roll over to the pressure. You had a man’s mother against you. If that was not enough, you had a whole culture on her side.

    There have been quite a few threads on this website submitted by people in or affected by arranged marriages and it hasn’t been a pretty sight. Not at all. I can tell you stories.. and they are all here on the record.

    Back to the I-am-unlovable-tree and the forest in this relationship: lots of the trees in the forest are His mother/ his culture/ his country and those trees took over. There is one tree, the I-am-lovable-tree that I would like you to focus on. When you relaxed with that man; when you finally relaxed into believing he loved you, it was because he did. Don’t let his mother, his culture and him rolling over to the great pressure he was under take that away from you.

    He loved you. There is no other way to explain the pressure- it was proportional to how attached he was to you, how he loved you. Take that in, relax into it again. You were loved; he loved you.

    And you can and will be loved again. Your next boyfriend (I don’t know if you are seeing someone at any capacity)- your next boyfriend, who may be your partner in life- will be as decent as that man was but of course, not one in a similar circumstance to his. Plans in this regard?

    anita

    #108657
    Hopeful33
    Participant

    Hello again,

    So you feel that it was his way of putting a mental closure on the whole thing? And that part of him believed what he was actually writing at that time?

    The funny part is, I saw their wedding photos a few months back. I always assumed I would go to pieces if I saw those photos, but I didn’t feel anything. They gave me no emotional reaction and I realised afterwards it’s because in all their photos they look…I’m not sure what the word is. Like friends, and not even close friends at that. There’s no emotional warmth between the two of them like you see in photos of some other couples.

    I know you can only tell so much from photos, but I do know our photos looked different. My friend said he blossomed with me and now he looks broken and spaced out. Is it possible he’s just numbed himself and is going through the motions? I just don’t understand how he can live such a lie and not crack – how do people do that? Is it even possible to do that? To convince yourself that what you’re doing is the right thing even when in your heart you know it isn’t?

    Anyway thank you, your words really did help – and it was nice to ‘relax into’ the fact he loved me. I’ve been in so much pain for the last 12 months and I have to say reading your words helped me release some of that because what you said really resonated with me.

    Regarding a new partner, I haven’t even thought about it at this stage. I still haven’t got my life back on track so I cannot even bring myself to think about seeing someone else. I still need to find myself a place to live, decide where I want to live etc. I do worry about being in a relationship again because I do fear trust will be an issue – I never in a million years ever thought something as crazy as this would happen to me and I have to admit it’s scared me to a big degree. But I’m hoping that once everything else starts to fall into place again that it will be less of an issue – I guess I just have to play it by ear.

    #108660
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful33:

    Yes, I do believe that that email was his way of putting a mental closure on the whole thing, and that part of him believed what he was actually writing at that time, just like you phrased it. That was his way to move on (with his mother’s plan) with minimal resistance, minimal friction, minimal distress for him.

    What you saw in the photos is most likely true to reality. First Arranged Marriages have nothing to do with love, with intimacy… with anything other than the couple following their parents’ plans, just like your ex. Then knowing your ex had serious plans for spending the rest of his life with you; knowing his mother worked very hard to turn him away from his plans, knowing he was very distressed for a long time, being under her pressure… this distress he felt day in and day out is not the… breeding ground for a love story with another woman.

    As to your questions: “how he can live such a lie and not crack – how do people do that? Is it even possible to do that? To convince yourself that what you’re doing is the right thing even when in your heart you know it isn’t?” I like questions like these, enjoy trying to answer them. So trying right now…:

    At times he is trying to convince himself (just like he did writing the email)- it may work for a short while; it may stop working. Then, like you wrote in your latest post: he most likely “numbed himself and is going through the motions.”

    That is probably what you saw in the photos: him being spaced out, numb, not present, distant, as if he is not there.

    How can people live such a lie? People do that all the time and not just in the context of an arranged marriage. It is most often done in the context of one’s relationship with one’s parents. Your ex is living a lie not only with his arranged wife but with his mother. Every time he sees her, he sees a woman who severely harmed him. And yet he behaves as nicely as you can with his mother while in his heart he is angry at her.

    Unfortunately for him, knowing in his heart what he knows, he will suffer depression, often numb, other times distressed, going with the motions of life like an automation. So it is possible for people to do that (your question)- only they pay a heavy price, very heavy.

    Back to you now, I imagine you will no longer get involved with a man from a culture that practices cultural exclusion and arranged marriages, so not to repeat the same situation. I think it is very realistic for you to rest in knowing that indeed he loved you very much. Take this knowing with you as you move on. And do post anytime.

    anita

    #108666
    Hopeful33
    Participant

    I won’t lie – I guess I won’t be able to ever fully understand it, as I’ve always been a person who lets my heart do the talking. I thought ‘head people’ were very much fictitious, because I cannot ever imagine making a sacrifice that big in my life. But I guess that’s naive of me – I can only speak for myself, as I only know how to experience life through my own eyes. My upbringing has shaped me the way I’m sure his upbringing has shaped him.

    I think the issue here is that our relationship played out away from his home country, so I rarely ever got to see him interact in that setting. I spent a month there a couple of years back, and it was enough for me to see how much influence not only his immediate family has, but his extended – in particular his mother’s siblings. They all seem to work in sync with each other in order to influence and get their own way. They’re all very much in each other’s business, play the guilt card on a daily basis, and gossip about one another behind their backs.

    Because I got to know my ex away from this, I didn’t see him in this dynamic. It’s only once I was there that I saw how it worked and how stressful it must be. When we were together, he’d Skype with his mum all the time, particularly towards the end of our relationship. And he’d always be down and moody when he finished talking to her, which was in contrast to the way he would be when me and him would finish Skyping with my family.

    I am glad I got to visit as I got to see how it all worked and I can imagine how it all played out. The thing that pains me is how manipulative and two-faced his mother was. I thought she liked me, although I had proof that perhaps there was something not quite right there. She bare faced lied to me, which also hurts.

    So while I do understand what you’re saying – how he’s numbing himself, and trying to convince himself that he’s done the right thing, I, as a heart person, find it so extremely difficult to believe someone can do something like that, let alone function relatively normally after doing so. If I were in his situation I’m sure I would have gone even more to pieces than I did when we broke up. Although my therapist explains this by saying that back him he had a lot to keep himself busy with – his decision, for one. The task of getting back on track with the career chosen for him, wedding preparations, the praise from everyone etc. But surely this will all end at some point? How do you then manage to live a life that was chosen for you without falling apart?

    Is he just stronger than me? Or is it just another way of thinking?

    #108667
    Hopeful33
    Participant

    What I forgot to add is that because I saw him away from that setting, it was easier for me to believe that he was a lot stronger emotionally than what he was. I now wonder how much strength he took from our dynamic. Maybe he really believed he could convince them and make it all work. That saddens me, as I think he bore the stress of this on his shoulders for a long time and never told me because it was so important to him that I loved his family. If he’d told me what was going on, he was probably right in his thinking – I wouldn’t have been able to look at them in the same way again.

    #108675
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful33:

    In your first paragraph and later in the last two posts you referred to your ex as a head person and you, a heart person. I strongly disagree: he is a heart person, not a head person. It was not his love (heart) for you against the logic (head) presented to him by his family and “therapist”- it was his love for you that benefited him (heart) against his emotional attachment to his family which harms him (heart).

    If he was a head person he would have chosen the emotional attachment that benefits him, not that which harms him. On the outside, maybe, it would seem like he is leading a normal life, and in a sense, he is, as arranged marriages are normal and going through the motions like automations is .. not abnormal.

    anita

    #108824
    Hopeful33
    Participant

    Thanks Anita. I guess I just feel that if he were a heart person he would have defied his family somehow and opted to be with me. My friend has pointed out to me that I’m missing the point – and that at the point in time when they were applying all that pressure for him to take their route, it was the least likely time he’d break free and walk away from them. I’m still not quite sure I understand what she means by that, but she’s not surprised in the slightest that things panned out the way they did.

    #108827
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Angie:

    No surprise he caved in to his mother’s pressure because a mother is very powerful in a boy’s (and girl’s) life and often enough it doesn’t change much as the boy becomes a man. And then there is the societal pressure: obey your mother/ parents. You owe your parents. The attachment to one’s mother and emotional loyalty and guilt are all matters of the heart.

    Sounds like you still have a difficulty understanding what happened, his motivations… what is it that is so unclear still to you?

    anita

    #108855
    Hopeful33
    Participant

    I guess because I’ve never been in that situation before I find it hard to completely understand it. My parents have never pressured me into doing something I don’t want to do. I understand there’s a vast cultural difference there, too. But it just all happened so quickly, and it’s so incomprehensible how someone can ‘force’ themselves to love a partner chosen for them by their parents. Or kid themselves they love that person, especially after actually loving someone else and being extremely close to that person.

    It’s enough to drive me crazy just thinking about it, let alone going through it. I know the marriage took place 6 months later, but the engagement happened extremely quickly.

    Wouldn’t that be enough to drive someone a bit crazy?

    #108861
    Anonymous
    Guest

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    #108863
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Angie:

    The “testing” above is because there have been technical difficulties on the site and I lost posts before. Actually I will copy this one in case it is lost as well.

    Regarding arranged marriages: in India where it is most common as far as I know- there is a lot you can read about it, being as interested as you are. You can find lots of writing about it, I imagine. Always evaluate the source best you can to see that it is mostly non fiction. I trust the stories of the many people- on this very website- who wrote about their experiences with it.

    Can arranged marriage drive someone crazy? You asked. From what I read, it drove many people to live very dysfunctional lives: having relationships outside the arranged marriage seems common to me, from my readings. Then what you observed visiting your ex’ family: lots of gossip, everyone in everyone’s business, this distracts all the individuals from their own personal dysfunction, that simple ongoing gossip and pressures applied on individual. If you read more than I have and you get new insight to the consequences of arranged marriage- please let me know, here on this thread. I am interested to know!

    anita

    #108898
    Hopeful33
    Participant

    Thanks Anita. I wish there were a search function for the forums as it’s difficult for me to locate the posts on arranged marriage that you’re referring to.

    I know a certain amount about arranged marriages, but from my understanding a lot of them are put together for two individuals who are single and wanting to find someone their parents approve of. I don’t necessarily agree with the premise, but in these circumstances, when both parties are willing and don’t have emotional baggage from a recent relationship, I can see how they can agree to it, and I’m sure many of these unions to end up happy ones. But I guess I’ll never understand how someone who loves someone else can agree to leave that person to then marry someone they don’t love or even know properly.

    I know it entails a lot of denial. I guess I never realised before to what extent people can go into denial in order to carry out something they’re not happy about doing.

    #108904
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Hopeful33:

    Congrats for getting your username back, and with a capital H this time. I went back to threads in the Relationship category, page 8: “Regrets and repent on lost things”- is by sia, a medical doctor from India whose mother is looking for a husband for her, as in arranging a marriage for her. The story of her parents’ marriage, and I assume it was arranged, may be interesting to you, the nature of it.

    Regarding denial in marriages- that is common in many marriages where both parties fell in love and chose to get married. They chose the marriage but then… arranging to stay in it, and the denial and coping mechanisms are similar to the arranged marriages.

    Later-

    anita

    #108987
    Hopeful33
    Participant

    Thanks Anita, I had a look – that’s a very sad story.

    Maybe I simply have an idealistic view of what marriage is supposed to be like. And despite what was said and done in the end, I know what him and I had was special. So for him to ‘give me up’ and agree to marry someone else so quickly will never make much sense to me, even when I take the cultural differences into consideration.

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