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    Well this conversation was yesterday; after I said my piece he kind of deflected and went off talking about something else. I felt like he mis-understood so I reiterated for him to understand fully. So I had to poke at him a little at the end like; “you can not have an answer now…you can think about what you want to do. But if you don’t need to think I need a direct answer.” I’m not going to assume.

    Then some how we got off topic and went to get food. He fell asleep, and hugged and kissed me when he left…even tho I had to coax him to me a little. He hadn’t kissed me since Friday. But for “no reason.”

    This morning I text him and told him “Babe I would appreciate it if you used some of your time today and think about what we discussed yesterday. — you never really gave me a straight answer and this isn’t the time to assume.–Do you have intentions of working on being more gentle with me? Do you want to stay with me? Is it “worth it” to you anymore?” He said he will.

    He is still working long hours. He told me that he was doing it aside from the money of course to give me space….but! get this….he tells me yesterday that he got a different job and doesn’t work where I last knew him to be working. I was like why didn’t you tell me that? How long? He said “a couple of weeks, and you didn’t tell me about you job news”

    SIDE BAR: I applied for a part time job as a bartender. I didn’t get it initially. A week later maybe, Jimmy (who works there) talked to the manager to inquire because it was a scheduling issue and they had ended up hiring someone else by that time.  So I told him about the first incident, I just didn’t feel the need to revisit it based on a inquiry. I really just forgot and pushed it aside because they kind of wasted my time so it annoyed me. I told my friend “L” and the only reason I told her is because she SPECIFICALLY asked me about it again. a few days ago he asked me about it and I told him. He said then why didn’t I say anything, and my above response was as well what I said to him. Coupled with the fact that when I first told him he kind of made me feel a type of way because he said they only interviewed me because of Jimmy and they really didn’t want me. (WHO SAYS that!??) That’s just not true. I had a interview with the Bar manager, came BACK had another with the GM. Jimmy was like they love you its just your schedule they want full time. Even when I called back about the schedule situation and talked to a female who I never spoke with she asked me who I was and she even was like OH that’s you. Yea they did really like you it was just your already employed full time. I tell him this, like you kind of made me feel like they don’t want you and they are only entertaining you because jimmy. So even in my head I innately didn’t want to discuss it again.

    Back to the story…that’s exactly what he said BEFORE I said all the above. He asked why I didn’t say anything I said the simple version, then I said WHAT HAPPENED….and he said “See I already told you they was just entertaining you for Jimmy.” I then went on to the “you kind of hurt my feelings thing” and he was all like I didn’t mean it like that.

    So you get a NEW JOB….not a prospect…not a interview….A WHOLE JOB. And you don’t tell me. I just had to move on from the topic because I’m not going to argue with his “See-Saw logic” of I did this because you did this. Because IT IS exactly that. illogical. That feeling are facts crap.

    Before this he didn’t reply to my msg to get us food it was 6:53pm he text me back at 7:32 like I will if I feel like going back out. I was like oh what are you already on ur way. he said yes he’s was down the street. I wanted food from the place that was by the OLD JOB he no longer worked at smh. but I didn’t know that then. So I say. I text you over 30 min ago if you were off why didn’t you text me back? (I am not mad, sad, feel a way NOTHING. Just and inquiry) He says “The same reason you don’t” I’m like wthhhhhh. (In my head lol) and I’m like “oh because you didn’t look at your phone?”…Then he just says you sound like me and by then he came in the house and we went straight into the conversation above.

    Jenny Lynn
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    So yeah. I told him that I had held a lot of anger towards him that I didn’t address. That was the cause of me just wanting him out my face. I realized there are other issues and we can work on them. But AT THE TIME, I felt like I wanted to be alone. As in him not in the same space as me. But he left me with some time to myself I realized that I don’t want you to go necessarily but things do have to change if so.

    I had to lay it out like your temper is my biggest issue with you. And when I was so upset it was a build up of the feelings I have about how you treat me when you are mad.

    I am tired of the arguing. I have no more time for it. and he had been kind of moody the past weeks or so.

    So I as well said if that’s your response to the limbo our relationship was in ok.

    But if that’s your version of effort to change or you think you play no part in our issues. Then we have a issue.

    in reply to: Should I get mad at my mom? Because I feel a way! #179737
    Jenny Lynn
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    Anita! Hi there 🙂

    & yea that was on my brain, so I needed advisement. The thing is, knowing my mom. That isn’t her reasoning. That perfectly makes sense but if that was her logic she would have said that initially but she didn’t. My mom always has kind of a motive to doing stuff.

    Also I’m about to send you a reply on my old share. Hop over there too. So we can talk about Glen lol

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    I’ll check back in with you in like 2 weeks. Don’t forget about me! lol

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    Anita you are one smart cookie lol 🙂

    Okay I can do that. I am going to think on it very seriously and how staying with him effects the both of us.

    So are u just a sensei in your regular life too? Or are you just really good at giving advice haha.

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    Okay.

    You still think he should move out though? lol

    I don’t know what his grasp is on his position to not stay with me if I he moves out.

    But I feel like he is about to put me in the position to have to say it again or re-clarify if that is indeed what I want.

    I think I can kind of admit now through our 5 days of crash therapy sessions that I was mad at him. I really felt a way about being around him. So as much as I love him and wanted to fix it, I wanted him out my fucking face too because I was just over the drama at the time. But like I said that feeling is starting to dissipate.

    Its like I said it, so it lingers in my head. Just because it was such a huge choice and I declared it as if I guess I wasn’t allowed to change my mind once I said it.

    In reality if I examined that thought closely it probably has to do more with others opinions. WHICH DONT matter because this isn’t their life. …

    Hmmm. lol

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    I get that, yea.

    Relationships are choices mostly…you choose to do…or you choose to not do.

    Do you think its okay for me to suggest (in the nicest, loving way possible) that he should think about talking to someone? Or does he need to get there on his own…men, ehh they can get touchy about stuff like that.

    But idk if I solely can give him the outlet he needs to become secure in what has happened throughout his life.

    Do you have any opinions on if you think reconciliation of our issues is what we should do? I guess…, does it sound too far gone?

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    Yea I think he feels that way too. I think he has even said something to the effect of “I don’t bring you around them because I don’t want to lose you” I guess they may not like me, so to him that will affect how I may feel about him OR I may just not like the kind of people they are too him. Who knows..

    Sometimes I just sit and think; is it supposed to be easier than this? Or is this what happens when two damaged people try and love each other. Is it possible? or will we constantly conflict?

    I just know something needs to change because I wouldn’t spend the next 30 years of my life the same way this one has went.  I can say now that I don’t think I want it to be without him. Still nonetheless things need to change.

    I’m coming back more into myself and acknowledging what I need, that’s helping. Like My friends for example. I have and always will have a extreme value of my friends. They have always been the genuine people in my life since childhood.

    To him he sees them as temporary people who will dwindle away over time. Maybe like in his life where people have wronged him when they were supposed to be his friends.

    That’s never happened to me, the worst things people have done to me have been spoken words or lack there of. And that came from my family. The friends I have I probably value more than my family. I think it irritates him because its like I care for them more…and its not really like that but I do love them very much, they have been there for me when he wasn’t even someone I knew; and if me and him never speak again I know they will be there then too.

    I feel like your partner transitioning into being your “Best friend” is a progression of the mind not just something you decide and stop seeing other people in your life and that’s how I felt. Like oh your my boyfriend now..so we’re automatically BFF’s too.  But I don’t think he particularly likes that I need  to see them…or further more that I need that connection with them to feel like myself. Me needing stimulation from other people besides him annoys him.

    I had to break it down to him like; I love you SOOO much I give you 75% of all my time but I need my friends. You CANT take “N’s” place she is a part of me. You CANT take “L’s” place she is a part of me. You CAN however be the most important person in my life….and you don’t have to take other peoples spots to do it. I have attachments to my friends like most people would have about their siblings. These are people who have been with me through a lot of shit over the past 6-7 years and have never wronged me. The ones that made it thru all these years I highly doubt they are going anywhere.

    But that’s the pessimistic picture he paints like “its just a matter of time.”

    and life does happen…people get older and life change but right now who I am. I need that.

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    I don’t think he meant something specific as the “biggest secret.” I think he meant like overall they are his biggest secret. I guess like you said they are the root of his issues.

    Should I take that personally that he doesn’t care for me to know them? In all fairness I didn’t introduce my family to him because of their importance to me. It was more the opposite. I’m introducing them to him because of his importance. In any other scenario I probably wouldn’t have because that just isn’t something that matters to me because I am not that close with them.

    I just don’t know if we will make it if he leaves. I don’t know if I even want him to leave sometimes. Wake up with different feelings everyday lol Especially because he is giving me time to myself. I am realizing what really was causing me to feel the way I do;

    We were around each other too much in my opinion, it made us start taking each other for granted.

    But a new thing I never saw was the clutterrrrrrr omg. I feel like I am being smothered my OBJECTS! Like Im not Mrs.Clean, no. but I am organized and things have a place. I feel like everything is everywhere. Like I have been moving in for 7 months…its so annoying everytime I walk in. It makes me not want to organize and tidy because theres stuff of his every damn where. I didn’t realize how much it bothered me until I was without him.

    Like why am I still pissed lol he’s not even here and then  I’m looking around this room like wth nothing has a place!! that’s not my life! lol He’s said numerous times if our place was like a 2 bedroom 2 bath or something we would both be happier.

    Truthfully because of your insight I really do understand what is probably going on in his head a little better. So I do feel differently about what is occurring now. I just don’t really know what to do about. I don’t know how confident in my decision I am anymore. Due to our earlier shares John is drifting from my mind now. Everything you and the other girl said were true.

    I have just never felt this feeling before. This fear of regretting. I am usually very confident in my decisions like this. But I just have this pit in my stomach full of fear that I will regret letting him go if I do.

    I feel his hurt now because of our shares. I understand that what I am feeling has hurt him. Our home was just that, ours. Asking him to leave…I’m fucked up. But I just didn’t know what else to do. I was impatient I just wanted to be left alone. Its been about a month and I still know that’s my decision I just don’t feel as passionately about it as I did.

    I intend to go to therapy when the year opens and my insurance changes. But I want him to as well, I think that’s what I need to happen to feel like I’m in an environment where both of us want to be better and get past the emotional baggage.

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    ” it is that his experience with people, possibly with his parents to  start, was  such that people did not give him such good input”

    In regards to this do you thinks that’s why he doesn’t really involve me in his family life? Should I not take it personal then?

    I mean I am on speaking terms with my family always but as you know I’m not close with them either. We see each other holidays or randomly when my mom comes into the city of something. But I’m not ya know Full House either lol So I find it hard to scale because I literally don’t see anyone he knows at all in comparison to him doing something in the same relm as me just more drastically.

    I feel this sense of urgency he has sometimes to just leave and go far far away from everyone. We live in the city he was raised in but I moved here 6-7 years ago now.

    He said he traveled a lot before he met me. But when he would go places he would stay really long periods of time.

    He even said that he didn’t talk to his mom for 3 years. In his words “My mom that I woke up with for 17 years and took care of me…I didn’t talk to her for 3 years almost” He didn’t tell me the reason why but we were talking about that in comparison to me not talking to my dad for 10 years but he was inconsistent in my life when I chose to not have him in my life anymore.

    He has sort of implied to me his family is his biggest “secret”. I’m going to say secret for lack of a better word because I cant recall.

     “His work is like the shirt he wears to cover his perceived inadequacies and  inferiorities. So he wears  it longer these days”

    Oh!! and this was just a great metaphor. Yea I understand. That actually makes me feel really bad. 🙁

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    Jenny Lynn
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    Ahhhhhhh! okay ok ok lol Great dialogue 🙂 haha

    Yea I have a friend who works with kids in crisis management in a school she has said that about him too. Like he may have a mental issue he needs to come to terms with before he starts seeing things in a better light than he obviously does.

    I still cant place what it is exactly though, some type of Anger Management, Bipolar..Depression..Narcissism. Idk.

    I can see what you mean though about not liking himself. He is very self conscious. Yet very full of himself at the same time; I guess I could say very confident in his abilites. Kind of like I am lol (cuz we are alike) Sometimes I forget because he’s so great to me that he has issues just like everyone else.

    Like his weight bothers him. But to me he literally is regular size person who just put on a little weight. Hes 6’1″ no stomach or anything crazy. He carries is so unnoticeable. I can see he internalizes it tho. Like he doesn’t walk around with no shirt on. I can actually say I have seen him with no shirt on maybe 5 times. But we have sex though…I don’t say anything but maybe I should because I used to do that when I first started having sex and I was uncomfortable with my body and things like that. My boyfriend that forgot my birthday a few years back had to break me of that. Like it literally almost ruined our relationship and then John solidified that wont be tolerated either lol. Like I see what you look like. That doesn’t matter. What matters more is that you’re making me feel like your not comfortable around me. That made sense to me, it freed me from that self consciousness that had plagued me for so long. But at the same time I don’t say anything because I don’t want to pressure him because I KNOW why I did it and I understand.

    Or this I want to say; NEED to feel special.  You said it right about the comparison to Jimmy. Not necessarily him in the example but that is something that bothers him. If I do something for someone else that I may do for him too. That kind of stuff irritates him because he says that makes him feel regular.

    Also another thing is he’s one of those people who take pride in that “I don’t need anyone, I don’t need friends” mentality. Or the “I dont tell people my business, I dont tell people my flaws”

    When to me that’s actually a hindrance of growth because if you don’t have value of other people in your life that means you don’t value their opinions and thoughts. So with him not having friends I think that’s why he thinks he knows everything and everything he does is right because there no one there saying otherwise.

    When I had character flaws that made me not so appealing my friends would tell me that and over time I have realized and incorporated that into my growth as an adult. Like listening, or not cutting people off, or seeing that my perspective is not the only one, or not jumping to conclusions, getting angry first/ finding out what really happened second.

    Literally in typing this I just realized, I have only met 2 other people who know him and never conversed with either. I have met his mother in passing and his younger (16) brother getting dropped off somewhere.

    He’s met my Mom, soon to be step dad, brother, aunt, uncle, and 1,2,3,4,5 of my cousins, and my best friends L,N,A,and J lol

    Is that weird??

    “Regarding being submerged, being Glenn’s number one priority, if that is what you meant,  my thought is that the reactivation of I-am-treated-as-less-than neuropathway will keep him focused on you as  his #1 focus and number one source of triggered annoyance, but it is not the same  of making you his number #1  priority.”  THIS IS A GREAT POINT as well

    And I already do walk on egg shells honestly. Border lining pins and needles because it doesn’t hurt yet but it does cause me anxiety sometimes. One of my closest friends said even though Glen is probably as far as ‘points of a person goes’ the best guy I have been with.. She could tell I felt “more free” when I was with John.

    Right now hes working A LOT! I don’t know what point hes trying to make to me exactly though:

    1. If we not together I am good regardless

    2. Ok, you want me to leave…I’ll give you so much space it’ll be like I left but didn’t actually leave

    3. Realize he needs to focus on something other than me (which I am ok with) because so do I.

    Who knows.

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    “I didn’t understand “I don’t know how to let someone be submerged in me”- what do you mean by submerged in you?”

    Like me literally being what someone thinks about all day everyday. The most important thing in someone else’s life. Literally its like his entire world revolves around me. That’s just something I’m not used to I guess. I’ve never been anyone’s #1 priority before.

    So the bickering. Im going to copy and paste some parts from the previous share because it really did happen that way.

    but Im actually going to quote the messages.

    So the last messages we exchanged were fine we were just joking it was about 6:40pm and he was still at work.

    At 7:35pm I text him and say “Im about to go meet Jimmy at Cheddars and then we will be back at the house. So I’ll see you then since your camping out at work. lol”

    Him: Damn Aite

    Me: What is to “Damn” about?

    Him: Nothing I guess I’ll go find something to do I’ll see u

    Me: I told you Jimmy was coming over today…he’s hungry and want to go eat. He’s buying. Its not like I am spending money.

    (I find myself trying to figure out what I’ve said that bothered him. So I say this because I told him my money was low and he had been picking up the slack so to speak so I didn’t want him to feel like oh I can pay for food with other people but not him. So let me clarify that. Right? Nope cuz he’s continues.

    Him:  You said he was coming to the HOUSE

    Him: You good *thumbs up*

    Me: I was literally waiting for him to tell me he was on the way from work and he said he was hungry and buying so meet him at a restaurant. What am I going to say? I cant leave the house? -__-

    Him: That has nothing to do with nothing

    Me: It has everything to do with it. Im not understanding the issue here. He is coming to the house still.

    So then he stopped texting me and I’m in the car and I call him while I was driving.

    He says that he doesn’t want to hear my reasoning because I’m just talking in circles and that I because we were going to Cheddars that means I had always known that we were going to get food. because I had been wanting to go there because I had told him a week or so ago.

    When in reality jimmy just named 4 places and told me to pick. Wings, Pizza, Cheddars, and Chinese. Ironically Cheddars was one of his picks too. No biggie.

    But he isn’t hearing any of that.

    So then the next day hes just picking and bickering at whatever;

    I text him: When are you coming home today??

    Him: Idk watssup?

    Me: I was just curious. I told you last week or so that I’d like you to tell me that but u didn’t start doing it so I guess my next option was just asking you.

    Him: Aawwwwwww okay. I thought you was gonna have some food ready of have something for me.

    Me: Is that the only reason I can know when you will be coming home?

    Him: That’s Never Been The Reason. Its never nothing for me. I was just saying.

    (Girl I surprise him with shit all the time! Like food cooked, or ill hide stuff around his belongings so he finds little gift when he comes in)

    Me: Never is a strong word. I never have food for you when you get home? I never have surprises for you when you get home? That’s just untrue. You say I do “nothing for you” just whenever you feel like saying it.

    Him: Negative

    Me: Well I’m sorry you feel that way I disagree but your entitled to your opinion.

    ——–

    later on in bed:

    I was laying on him like oh you smell good. did you take a shower?

    Him: Yea before I went to my moms. Did you take a shower?

    Me: No,

    Him: Oh you didn’t get all spiffy for your friend Jimmy? (Him still trying to imply I knew I was going somewhere..I DIDNT)

    Me: No,.

    Him: You didn’t have makeup on?

    Me: No..

    Him: Not even that concelor stuff you say isn’t makeup

    Me: No…

    Him: *Gets up and goes in bathroom* *Comes back  and lays down*

    Me: I don’t know whats in there or whats on the counter. but I haven’t even washed my face yet you can look at me…I don’t have make up on…

    Him: Oh well the stuff was on the counter….

    Me: Okay well Idk what to tell you. because I literally don’t have any on. MAYBE I was going to put concelor on but I was also texting you trying to get out the house too so maybe I just forgot to actually do it

    ….but why does it matter…like literally why are we even talking about this.

    —–Sunday

    I was going to make these really special cupcakes for him and I needed peanut butter oreos. I already was at one store and they didn’t have them. So I go to a whole other store looking for them so I can make these for him right. but im texting him during.

    1:30pm–They don’t have peanut butter oreos 🙁 🙁

    2:12pm-What that mean

    2:22pm–I send him a picture of *Walmart and peanut butter oreos* and I say Going in up in Walmart for you!! Don’t ever want to hear that I don’t love you bs again lol <3 <3

    2:15pm–Hell fucking looooooo

    2:20–??

    (If your noticing the times are out of order its because he has bad reception at his job, he knows it, I know it, and now you know it but for some reason he just doesn’t ever take that into account before he gets mad and acts like Im not responding to his messages) I wasn’t getting them. Then when I did I didn’t really understand what he was saying. I thought hell fucking looo was a typo for “hell fucking yea lol” like oh that’s whats up you got the cookies.

    But he calls me 2:22pm

    I answer and he says “your not getting my message?”. I was like “Im trying to figure out what it says.” He was like “are you still in the store?”. I was like yea and he just hung up. Im like what?

    So then I look at the messages and see none of my messages have actually delieved to his phone. Since Ive been in Walmart

    So his messages look like:

    Me: They don’t have peanut butter oreos 🙁 🙁

    Him: Whats that mean?

    Him: Hell fucking looooo

    Him: ??

    When in reality Ive been texting you back the entire time.

    I called him back he didn’t answer and I text him like Wayu hang up for?

    You weren’t getting my messages.

    Then I see them all deliever at once so he probably had 6-7 of my messages come thru. but now he isn’t reading them because hes mad.

    Im like “Really? this is what I get ignored? While im trying to do something nice for you.

    He message me back like 45 min later like “Okay”

    I said “Okay? U not going to say my bad baby, miscommunication, sorry babe? nothing

    him: “You was reading and not writing back you almost didn’t answer the phone”

    I was like ” No I just didn’t understand what I was reading because I thought they were replies to what I sent you…that you didn’t receive”

    Him: “Aite”

    Me: How can you say someone almost didn’t answer tho. that’s so presumptive because beyond all that I ANSWERED. you don’t know how long the phone rang on my end and I was while in a store doing something for you!

    I guess you not going to see it like u just over exaggerated and got mad without the facts.

    That’s 3-4 through examples. lol

     

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    Yea I guess its like I don’t know how to let someone be submerged in me because I have never had that. So after a while I started feeling like I didn’t need it either..

    So what would be some advice to handle his moods when he is getting upset with me. I don’t like to scale other peoples feelings. LIKE HEY! feel however you want to, no one gets to decide that. But sometimes I feel like all he wants to do is complain and bicker.

    Truthfully it irritates me into causing a bigger conflicts because to me he’s bringing up or talking about stuff that just doesn’t matter in the big picture. Especially when something has already irritated him. Like the Jimmy thing the other day. He will take that and afterwards it doesn’t take much for him to find something to pick at as well.

    I know I make it worse by getting irritated with him. But its just hard for me to control because I don’t know what else to say.

     

    And sorry about the delayed response. I wanted to be back at my desktop to type. 🙂

    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    Yea John lol

    “It reads to me that although you crave intimacy, you also withdraw from it” &  I can agree.

    That’s the thing my family instilled in me. But I cant quite place the trait.

    He told me the first time he met me and my family that he could read off them that it bothered them almost annoyed them; to see me loved. We are affectionate in public or around them. They have all made comments about it like “where did she learn that” and etc things in that nature. Like I wasn’t hugged as a child. In my family people don’t tell you they love you. Your just supposed to know…its implied type thing.

    I was alone a very large majority of my childhood. But especially when I was 13 till  I graduated. My mom went to prison long story short. I had to live with my grandfather the rest of college. I don’t know if I really know what emotional abuse is, but that probably was it.

    I really need my personal space is something I have learned. I’ll just be sitting there and all of a sudden just don’t want to be bothered. I find it a little stressful sometimes when I realize I have kind of given up my personal space.

    He says I’ll have these moments where I just shut off. For example: We spend the most time together on the weekends. We are kind of homebodies. So for 3 days I am the bomb to him he is happy I’m happy cuz hes happy but by Sunday I really just kind of want to be left alone because we have been in each others faces non stop for going on 72 hours. He’s like I have you and then I lose you.

    I used to think he got offended by it so even when I wanted to be alone ya kno I would just stay in his space. My mom always said attitudes are contagious. So it would cause a rift.

    We discussed it and now he is okay with just leaving me alone for a little when I need my space.

    I like to keep the stories of the things that happen to me light because honestly if I told them for what they were it could get pretty dark. And even being a depressed person I am still a good time. I hate being a downer if I can help it. Even though its a pitty party convention lol in actuality I don’t want it to come off like that I guess, so I joke.

     

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    Jenny Lynn
    Participant

    My friend Jimmy observing this nonsense was literally like “It’s crazy that for once you’re the tolerable one in the situation.”

    But its true I used to be the person always nagging someone.

    Then tell my friends or the person about this thing they did that I don’t like.

    Talking to my friends before like “Oh guess what he did now…” has changed to .. “Guess what he’s mad at me for this time”….

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