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he was all emotional and upset that he came all the way and I can’t meet him. I was screaming on the phone that what about when I was all out wanting only to talk to you, then I get nothing and now when I’m trying to stabilize, you do this?
JenParticipantGuys, need help.
So, I’d been holding strong and now it’s all back to square one.
He sent me a lot of gifts today. Most importantly, he sent me handmade stuff, boxes with our pictures, a dozen bouquets in the morning. To add it all up, he traveled all the way from his city to mine, came outside my office and called on my office number saying come outside I want to meet you.I was shattered and filled with all kinds of feelings. I wanted to run and go meet him but knew that if I even see him, I’ll melt and forget everything and forgive him and get back with him when I’m neither emotionally stable yet nor am I remotely assured that he’s changing his ways. We haven’t met since long and meeting him would be everything that we’ve both wanted since long but now? Now when I’m shattered, now he wants to come and meet him when he didn’t care to even talk, let alone plan something when i was begging for his attention? I didn’t go. I didn’t go, stayed in the office. he ultimately left. i went back home and saw all the stuff he sent. i was overtaken by intense guilt but also anger that why now? to add it up, when i called to thank him for the gifts but said i won’t meet, he said then it’s over today and hung up. It made me feel as if I’m doing a crime, he shifted all the blame on me, my friends with whom he had collaborated are all saying you could have at least met, he came outside your office as if all my emotional turmoil doesn’t count. he can avoid me when he wants and now do this immense gesture of love. To add it up, he’s now behaving like I’m the bitch, he hung up on me and i stupidly called back to which he didn’t reply and texted a goodbye. I’ve been the one who’s been wronged and now just because I didn’t respond to his massive gesture of love because I’m too broken to face him right now, I become the bitch. Shit guys, did i actually do wrong? All that he did gets covered by this?
JenParticipantDear Anita,
Exactly, it is exactly that. And I think also that he does give me 100 or say even a 150% of love when I leave. Then he’ll call me, show genuine care, be appreciative and basically everything that comprises my concept of 100% love. So that keeps my hopes running that he is giving me 20% love in general but is actually capable of 100%, and all my efforts are spent in trying to make him give the same 100% that he gives after I leave, when I’m actually with him.
I think had he been the same when I’m there and when I leave, I would have understood after a while that he’s incapable of giving me 100% love but the fact that, in certain situations he does give me my perfect love, keeps me hanging. God, this is so difficult. But you’ve been right, I’m stuck and I’m spending my energy in the wrong place. I’ve tried every way, including reasoning it with him but he either only refuses being different when I get back with him and says I’m just the same or will seem to understand and promise to not repeat it but he does. I might as well spend all that energy on myself. I hope I can pull this through this time.
JenParticipantThanks so much you, Anita and A4U. You guys are understanding my problem way better than even my close friends do, thanks so much, really.
I think you guys are right. it really makes me think that I indeed am stuck with him and this relationship, taking anything even slightly positive from his side as love. I’ve clearly forgotten the standards of love that I’d initially set for myself and over these 6 years have come really low. You’re right. I’ve felt the same many a times but I still couldn’t imagine being with anyone else and I feel that’s where I went wrong. There have been men who’ve either asked me out or have over a period of time shown me a lot of affection probably waiting for me to come to my senses and leave this relationship but I don’t know, it’s like my head and heart is stuck with this man, I feel as if I’d rather get little love from him than get a lot of love from someone who’s not him. I remember this one time when a guy asked me out in front of one of my friends and I politely declined, my friend, who knew how taken for granted I am in my relationship, burst out at me that why am I pushing other men away only to be one man’s doormat and I told her that I’d rather have him give me 20% love than have another man who gives me 100% love because I just want him. I now understand even more deeply, after you also pointed out, that I’m really stuck. I need to learn to remove my heart and mind from him because I’m only inviting more pain. A man who couldn’t realize things and value me in 6 years, will never do so. I’m only banging my head against a wall. Today he’ll show me love because I’m gone but once I’m back, I’ll again be where I was 3 weeks back when I first messaged here, all devastated. You’re right.
And yes, I’m going to keep telling myself everyday that loving me and respecting myself first is now the motto of life, now and always. I indeed had lost all respect in my relationship. If I look at the self-assured and confident woman that I was 6 years ago vis-a-vis the cry-baby that I’ve become today, I feel both miserable and ashamed at how could I let someone treat me like this and still take some strange pride in loving him as if I’m a toy that you can throw and pull however you want for your pleasure. I was so naive.
I’ll tell you this incident. So i’m wheatish complexioned, between fair and dusky, almost the Jennifer Aniston complexion. Now, I never even saw it as something not so perfect, like I never even thought about it. I loved my skin color and the people around me loved it (I’ve come to realise now that this part doesn’t matter, but earlier the fact that other people found me beautiful did add to my sense of self-worth). As I said, we had a long distance, started online and we met say once in 5-6 months. Now before we first met, whenever we used to talk about beauty and features and actors and other stuff, he used to repeatedly ask me about my complexion. He once asked me my height, weight, vital stats and peace but my complexion, he asked it repeatedly. sometimes I got irritated that How many times will you ask me the same thing and he used to always cover up with I keep forgetting and it’s not very clear in the photos. Even when we met, he just casually said, oh, we have such a color difference, but then hugged me and was like, however you are, you are good (‘did I even say I felt I’m not good’, was what went in head but I said nothing.) The biggest thing was yet to come. He once asked me what’s your colour, I was like wheatish, how many times will you ask me, he was like god I totally forgot, i told my friends you’re really fair by mistake, he told me that he was having a conversation with his friends and he told them about me and that i was pretty and nice and tall and slim and very fair. when one of his friends must have said, ‘I think she’s got the kim kardashian colour’ as they’ve seen me on social media (this is at least what he told me), he was like no she’s very fair and showed them a picture of mine in which I’m looking fairer because of lighting maybe as proof. I felt bad and puzzled that how can someone forget things like height body size complexion of their partners and he was clearly lying but I kept shut. The biggest blow was this one day when we were talking about stuff and about friends and chuckling and he giggled and said you know I know you are wheatish but I tell my friends, You are really fair. He said it so matter-of-factly and started saying something else then. I stopped him and was like whatt? why? he was like just like that, but i persisted that when you know my colour, why would you lie about it, he said “because saying you’re fair will make them jealous”. I said a what!! Bye and hung up. And I cried so bad that day. I was haunted for days by, do these things like skin colour and making friends jealous matter so much to him, is he ashamed/uncomfortable of the way i look that he has to lie about it, did he not once think how embarrassed will i feel when his friends actually meet me and see I’m not what he’s projected me as, even if i understand his want to flaunt his gf, am i, the way i am, not enough? this is just complexion but there are actual flaws that humans have, god forbid if tomorrow i have some actual flaw, will he go about hiding it and lying?
But we got back. Shit guys I’m feeling really angry at myself now for treating myself so bad and letting someone treat me so bad just because I love him. I kept justifying and forgiving the pain that he gave me in the present by remembering some moments of love that he gave me in the past. i will now learn to love myself and respect myself the most.
Thanks so much you both. I’ll hopefully get back after a few weeks, hopefully in a better state of mind <3
JenParticipantHi,
Thank you so much you all, for all your advice, it’s been helping me stay strong. So it’s been 3 more weeks and in total around 2 months since I left, after being treated badly and feeling like a doormat. As always happens and was expected, he’s now pursuing me, now that I’ve stopped calling, texting, have broken up and shut my phone off. Every time I check my phone, it has messages and calls from him, sometimes for days together and sometimes at the gap of few days. Had it been any other time, I would have accepted his apologies, we would’ve got back together only to repeat the cycle again. This time, however, having been completely devastated and after advice from all of you, I’ve been keeping myself strong and not reacting to anything. I have replied a few times to his texts when he wrote really emotional stuff (couldn’t hold back) but nothing in affirmative. I’ve been trying as hard as I can to keep my guard this time and not let him in.
However, what isn’t changing is the constant thought in my head. I’m having difficulty in really understanding what I really want at this stage. I know I’m not going back to him, not so soon at least, not until months or may be even a year, not until he really assures me that he won’t treat me like he does every time, again. I’m saying maybe not until even a year because when we were together and he didn’t love me enough, I also always had the feeling that if I really go away from his life, like disappear, he won’t wait or look out for me for long and that, may be, was one of the reasons why I quickly reconciled when he used to apologize. I was always scared of taking my time to process my hurt in case I lose him by that time. That is the reason I even today keep checking my phone to see if he’s still there for me or not, or sometimes even reply to his texts to keep my presence in his life, I have this fear that if I go radio silent, he might just forget and move on. He always gave me that vibe that he loves me because I’m there, the day I leave and disappear, he’ll be over me. Now i do not know whether that is true or just a thing in my head but this time, I want to get rid of this insecurity and so take my time to process all my feelings which I’ve kept suppressed all this while, may be even a year and see what happens after that. I am secretly wishing with all my heart that I still see him waiting for me after a year but I’m everyday ghosted with the possibility of what if I just decide to confront him after a year, only to see him having moved on.
I don’t know if all this is even making sense. I read up on the net, read posts here and hear stories of men who waited on their women for years after a break up and hope that may be my love also proves to be that strong but I really don’t know. I don’t know what I want, I think I want a future with him but only after he takes the initiative to change his ways for real and doesn’t just say so to get us back, only after I’m assured that he does love me and will hold on for me both in the present and the future, even if we are parted for long, say months or a year. Does this really happen? Is there any chance that he may be there for me months later, or am I just being too optimistic? I don’t know. Please help, any advice will be great.
JenParticipantDear Luong,
I do not have an answer to whether you should send the letter to your ex as I’m myself going through a relationship crisis and I’m not in the best state to give any sound opinion, however, I feel glad to see that men like you exist. The letter you’ve penned down is beautiful and is making me question the total loss of faith in love that I’d been feeling since a while. I’m sure if your ex does get to read your letter, the intensity and sincerity of your feelings for her will surely reach her.
Wishing you all the success in your future endeavors. May the force be with you.
– Jen
JenParticipantThanks Anita. This gave me a lot of perspective.
One last thing. Now I’ve left. I talked with him, also wrote him down a text (as by the time we got to the last leg, our conversations always inflated into a fight so, I could only sanely say all that I wanted to before I leave, through a message) and I’ve shut my phone down. I live alone on my own and while no phone makes certain things difficult, I need to zone out from everything in order to feel human again and also resist the constant yearning to call him or answer his calls (as I know he would have been calling everyday now that I’ve left). The usual thing is I leave for 10-15 days, he calls and we get back together but this time, I’ve been too hurt to go through the grind again. I know he’ll be taken aback this time as this is the longest I’ve ever been away without any contact.
As I’ve read elsewhere too and as A4U also said that men understand distance more than words or tears, this time I’m determined to have both distance and silence for at least a longer period of time say even a few months if I have to, to help me be alone and feel better (I process thoughts better when I’m left on my own) and also to let him see that he cannot goof up every time and get my love back with a few days of apologies. He’ll have to understand now and know that I at least want my share of love and respect and only then will I be back with him, because deep down, I really still want him, just that I want him to understand how his behavior is hurtful and having failed at making him understand, this silent distancing is my last shot. However, I’m everyday haunted by the thought of what if in the next 2-3 months of no contact, he forgets me? A part of me tells me that he won’t considering that we’ve been emotionally deeply involved for a long period of 6 years but another part of me can’t stop doubting. I do not know. Is it likely that the course I’m taking now might just fix this up between us or am I more likely to see him move on in his life? I’m just so confused, I can really do with someone else’s perspective on this.
JenParticipantAnita,
Exactly. When i leave, then I’m valued. Then office, sleep, friends, I’m above everything else, like i said, when i leave, he gives me the love that I wanted when i was with him. So then it makes me feel that all his ‘busy’ stuff are all excuses, all a manifestation of him not valuing me enough as he’s able to love me amid all that when i Leave but till I’m with him, I’m nowhere in his priority list.
But I cannot do this all my life right, Anita, i can’t keep leaving him to make him show me love. Like people earlier said in posts, I’ve tried telling him what I want and told him how badly his behavior towards me hurts, I also questioned him how everything falls in place and he gets time to call me when I’m gone. Sometimes he understands, at other times he behaves as if I’m exaggerating, but in both situations, the result is the same, the moment I melt and get back, he again treats me badly within a month. I really want a life with him but i feel I’m in a maze, I can see no way to make him understand this.
JenParticipantThanks Radhika 🙂
Anita, oh, alright, I didn’t get it earlier.
So this is one of the many examples. the background is- He doesn’t talk to me when he’s in office, like never, not even a one second call. I know he gets lunch breaks in office since I have other friends in the same office and the work atmosphere is not really strict (since he’s at a comfortable post) but no matter what happens, he never answers my calls in office. Even when a close relative of mine died and I was all berserk, he didn’t call me once on his own until way after his office got over. Flip side, I used to excuse myself from my office meetings if he ever called, maybe wrong but just that he was always, always my priority. So i learnt my lesson early on that I will not contact him in his office simply because I’ve better odds at dying in the process than him talking to me.
So this one time, we weren’t able to talk properly for many days, he was like always too busy to talk and it was getting difficult. Also, whenever we did talk, he used to talk about how stuck up he is and that i need to be patient. I understood for a few days and said I’m here if he wants to talk but it kept going. He never wanted to talk. I used to keep saying that I’m also busy and I don’t want us to talk for hours but a 5-10 minutes chat in a day is not that difficult, that if I’m laid off whenever there’s pressure of other things, where do I hold a place in his life. But anyhow, that’s how it kept going. He stopped calling, saying I’m busy and stuff and I was the only one calling (in retrospect, I feel I also should have stopped calling, was a lunatic to try talk to someone who wasn’t interested). Finally, really upset I called him one morning, he didn’t answer, he was in office. I had enough that day and I called multiple times, texted that I can’t take it anymore, talk now, he still didn’t answer. At night, too he didn’t call, From a common friend I happened to know he was with them at a party that night (he was stuck up and so not talking to me but partying.) I called him, he answered and said he’s out at the party and will talk later, he didn’t call, I only called late that night and asked him if he has time for everything else, why not two minutes time for the lady who’s been wanting to talk to him since days. by this time, i was so hurt, i began crying. He was like come on, you need to be patient, okay I’m sorry, but obviously I was hurt so i expected him to do more than a sorry, that too when he didn’t even call himself to make things okay between us. But when I was like saying stuff, he cut me midway and was like see I’m really tired from the party, goodnight, and hung up, leaving me crying.When I stopped calling the next day and the day after, he came with his sorry(s) and eventually it got over. This same incident is repeated every month almost because he’ll say I’m busy or stuck and then treat me badly for 7-10 days when I’ll see him do everything apart from talking to me. If under tough circumstances I take a backseat, where am i in his life, specially when for me, he’s my all and I ditch other plans when he wants to talk.
Feel free to tell me if I’m unreasonable.JenParticipantAnita, it was about every time. Every time that I was vulnerable at a time that he had some other work too, I would always be avoided for the other things like office, ‘I have to go for dinner’, sleep etc. Most of the times that I was hurt by something and tried telling him that, he wouldn’t understand and turn it around on me, his total lack of acceptance made me cry and fight and he would just hang up and leave.
A4U, thank you so much. This makes me feel so much better. Thank you.
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