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Hi Anita,
Thank you for that. I never thought about how actually him feeling nervous at times may be almost like a protective factor for us both. I will try to be more compassionate.
I was wondering what you thought about the rest of my message? It’s ok if you don’t have advice for that but I thought I would ask ?
Derek
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
I hope that you are well. Here I am to give a little update and hopefully get some advice.
In general i have been a lot calmer. The thoughts have still been there from time to time but I have been better at letting them go.
Some key key moments of the past week:
Thursday: I found out that getting my undergraduate degree recognised in Spain may be a little complicated and harder than I thought. I may have to do some extra modules. Or look at other options. My initial reaction inside was a gut feeling of “We are going to have to break up and I’ll have to return to UK”. I felt very sad because I don’t think I want that. That same day I had an argument on a metro (I asked a man to stop being aggressive to his wife) and also had been called fat in Work (which I was naturally not very happy about). All in All a bad day.
Friday:
i was still a bit stressed/worked up. We went to the cinema. On the way home he got nervous when we were holding hands because there was a group of people. This has been an ongoing thing – I am not a huge “I must hold your hand” but if I feel affectionate it’s quite nice to not have to think. Anyway, he rejected my hand and I withdrew emotionally. I couldn’t speak to him very much and felt very nervous and negative like we should break up because this issue will not get bettter. I was more angry because I was behaving like my mother. Very much so and was ashamed at myself for not being more understanding, and acting like her.
Today:
i have been nervous about speaking the languages here in Spain. Even though I get complimented regularly about my language skills. Last night when my partner came home he told me he had a “surprise English exam” and hopes that he passed but not to worry because he wasn’t prepared. I felt an overwhelming sadness because I want him to be happy and confident. I told him I worry that we recreate my childhood dynamic in the sense of education. He told me not to overthink that he knows I always try and encourage him to be “better” and he feels very supported. But is that bad that he thinks I try to make him better? I hope not because he said “you love me for me as I am” and I had a negative thought “no I don’t” but 5 minutes before all I thoight was how I love him.
Fast forward to today. A straight man in Work who is nice and I think I have a crush on (actually has a sexual dream about him which frightened me endlessly) was talking about his girlfriend. She is a high achiever in academics and languages, and I immediately felt hot and nervous like maybe I hadn’t achieved that, or would someone like her but a man be “better” for me….
then at a session i I went today I had to speak in my non native language and I was so nervous before. But I did it. Very well.
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
I am logging in to wish you a Happy Sunday and give you a little update.
I have been quite calm this week, overall I mean. Talking on here definitely help.
From a calmer more loving perspective I have been able to realise that I am in general feeling better. When I look at the month of February for example, and compare it to November I can see a leap of progress. In fact, this weekend I have been thinking many many many more positive thoughts about my partner than negative and nervous thoughts. Today I had a few little judgemental thoughts creep up, but chose not to share them with him and just allow them pass rather than paying attention to damaging hurtful thoughts.
Also, walking down the street today I felt very content and actually said to myself ‘I’m happy with my life’.
This I think is a big difference to the nervous ‘I can’t do this’, ‘My future won’t work out here’, ‘Are we compatible’ thoughts and I have to say I am enjoying it.
Sending you best wishes.
DerekParticipantThank you,
that makes me feel like I’ve made progress today alone.
Alone i hope it wasn’t to impress me. I don’t imagine it was – he does always sit to do his homework every week. Always. He is very dedicated to going to class twice a week and doing the homework. He does work full time too.
i am glad I was able to stay calm. Now we are watching a series and relaxing after preparing dinner together and chatting. I let it pass because I know there are more important things. (I did almost fall into my usual trap of googling on differences). Like I need to see successful stories of people in love with and without university degrees. Maybe that’s the looking for safety…
DerekParticipantI should add that when I did my homework I was also confused. I realised I don’t know a lot of what we have been doing. I know a lot, but there were things I didn’t have a clue.
I did try and take all of this positively – I can see him trying so suggested this weekend we sit down together and work on creating word maps etc for our verbs we are learning and how we can learn them better.
DerekParticipantHello again,
I know that you are right in that. I really do. And I am trying my best, I really am. And I do feel safe. But this core belief tears me apart. Really. And it’s so judgemental. I really like what you say about anxiety predating the relationship. In fact it is showing up again tonight:
I got home today and was happy to see him. He wasn’t feeling well so I expected to find him in bed, but instead he was at the table attempting to do his English homework. So he asked for help and I remember saying to myself ‘be kind, be patient, don’t be frustrated’. Yet, he doesn’t get it, or it takes him longer. And I cope with that because learning a language is hard, and takes time. I also decided to do my homework, and when I ask him for help – he can’t really. He gets confused, he tells me different things, and doesn’t seem to know what the differences of tenses are. Realistically there are things he asks me that I can’t answer for him, but when it comes to the basics…it frightens me that he may not know how to articulate them. So I took a breath, and almost cried, and feel horrible inside. My mind was racing and wants to say ‘I think it’s important that you know these things because’ and I don’t have a because…maybe in case we have a kid so we can help them. Or because it’s not my first language and wish he could help. But, I didn’t say it. Instead I left him to do his homework and am lying down about to meditate. I want to cry because I feel so mean, so judgemental. In my heart I still don’t want to leave him, not at all. But I can’t help think ‘WHAT IF’ there is someone who can fulfil me in that way – but again there will be ways that they cannot fulfil me.
Now my anxiety is in full cycle because I know he is not computer able either – I mean obviously he can turn on and use basic things, but my anxiety is telling me ‘He couldn’t type fast’…like that’s some sort of prerequisite for a healthy relationship.
So now I lie here and feel sad because I don’t want to feel this way. And wonder, is this a deal breaker, my heart says no, but it is still difficult.
I hope I am not crazy for these thoughts. And i hope that I am not allowing fear creep in.
DerekParticipantHello again,
Yes and the sad thing is – it just creastes nerves and perfectionism in kids. When really everyone makes mistakes.
So I understand a lot but don’t. And being in the relationship has helped me remember.
It is curious you mention that, because I often feel very calm when my partner caresses my face. We tend to always hold hands as we watch tv, but also as we go to fall asleep. And I ALWAYS feel calm and safe as we do it.
So maybe the safety thing is education because it was always a way for me to be stable and safe. So when I worry about the future and whether I am good enought to continue my studies here rather than in English, I think that studying will make me safe because my fear stems from uncertainity and studying/exams always lead to a grade defining where I am at. Maybe I project onto my partner this fear too:
For example, I am worried about the future, buying a house, children etc so think AH I NEED TO DO MY MASTERS TO MAKE SURE I GET MONEY. Then I panic, and think, YOU NEED TO STUDY NOW BECAUSE YOU ‘ONLY’ RUN THE LITTLE FOOD STORE AND IF YOU ARE INJURED OR AS YOU GET OLDER THAT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE AND WHAT WILL WE DO, i.e. how will we be safe? So that’s why I fear misspelling, or potential differences in intellect because I fear that it is confirming my fear, rather than soothing it. It’s like I am sel-fulling my own fears.
The only thing we can be sure of is the present. Everything else we will find a way. I do notice that when I help my partner with his English I would get extremely frustrated if he didnt get the answer instantly. Now I try a softer approach.
The mind has strange ways…..
DerekParticipantAnita,
So that’s a positive thing to notice and reflect I guess, rather than panic and make irrational decisions?
I don’t remember much, my late teens were quite blurred with emotional neglect or perhaps emotional abuse is the best way to say it.
I did remember two things. When I was very young I remember crying at the kitchen table because I could not spell the word grandad. Even though she showed me how to, each time she came back I had put a double d. I remember she got very frustrated and wouldn’t let me leave. I also remember that each Friday we had a spelling test in class, and I used to always ‘win’. Another thing I remember is that she would call me in during the summer holidays when I was playing with friends or whatever to make me sit and revise my mathematics times tables. I remember I used to be so upset/embarrassed because I was the only one who was called to do it. I believe she meant well, but it’s worth reminding that she was forced to leave school at 15 to go and work (her family background is quite negative). I guess that is like my current partner (only he comes from a generally loving and supportive family). I know I used to get upset because we couldn’t afford new textbooks and I always had to have second hand ones.
One other thing I remember, when I was 18 I was sitting my finals in high school. At the time I was no longer living with her because of the difficulties of the situation and was forced to live with a family member. I bumped into her after an exam, which I had made a mistake in and explained to her the mistake I made, and how I rectified it (I was proud I noticed the mistake, and thought fast to correct it) and she said ‘Well what did you do that for?’ in a very critical tone and I remember feeling very sad.
Her love for me was very conditional. I remember that if we ever did something wrong at home, it was quite common for her to pointblank ignore us as punishment. Likewise, I do know that when I did well in school etc she praised me a lot, and encouraged me a lot. If I was ever in trouble or anything like that I would be punished. She used to check up a lot on my work too, and make sure my stuff was always signed. But love wise, I do really struggle to remember the good times but I am not sure if that is a stress reaction. I dont know if I shut off from memories, that is why I can’t remember, almost as a protective factor. Other people often don’t understand when I mention that I cannot remember the so called ‘good times.’
I remember my brother was not very academic, he had potential to be but liked to be out with friends etc. I remember when his results came too they weren’t as good as mine (although he was older) and I remember he was upset in his room, probably because he hadn’t achieved what he ‘should’ have.
DerekParticipantAnita,
Thank you for the encouragement. Yes that is the next step. To pause and not say anything because sometimes saying it almost starts the loop of anxiety again, rather, than letting go.
I have therapy on Monday and will be bringing this very theme to the session. I even thought about printing one or two of your recent posts off and highlighting parts.
It’s funny, because reading you say ‘Formal education has, in reality, value.’ I can literally feel my body heat as I read/type that. It’s like a fear, I really can’t explain. Anxiety latches on to that like a ‘oh no, she thinks the relationship won’t work’ or ‘oh no maybe I value this and need to consider it in the greater context of my relationship.’ I think the key here for me is explore how I can maintain my individual values and goals as a member of a relationship, rather than expecting my relationship to provide me with 100% of my needs.
I used to cringe, but it feels somewhat freeing to write and not change or correct. JUST WRITE! The message is what is important. I had this issue when he gave me a card for my anniversary, and when I originally moved here. He made two little mistakes in both cards, and my anxiety flared, until I could soften and read WHAT he was saying and really feel loved. I do feel like maybe I care too much what others think – it’s almost the perfecctionist trap again. If we are both Doctors, Psychologists, Lawyers etc then we LOOK amazing and ARE amazing. But, he is happy with his role in his family food business. He is happy learning English at his pace. That’s the key, he is happy and can find beauty in the little things.
Ive also noticed I do it with a lot of people – recently looking around the office I can’t help but think HOW they managed. They say the most bizarre things and have the most banal conversations. I really know that this is in my head and now that you’ve helped me name it ‘core belief’ I really do feel I can work with this fear and anxiety, and hopefully whatever the outcome, it is made with peace and love.
DerekParticipantAnita,
I thank you so much for this eye-opening and challenging post. I want to say I had never considered it as a core belief, I guess I am still laerning about all that, and therapy is helping. I did some psychotherapy for a year, then did some group psychotherapy and now am doing 1 on 1 therapy, but I cannot remember the exact name, I think it is psycho-social. The idea is to explore emotions and heal the inner child. We specifically tackle my relationship anxiety and it is helping, but as you mentioned anxiety is fear.
I also want to thank you for helping me to choose love over fear. Last night when I got home late (we both are learning a language each so Tuesday is a later evening for us) we sat together and I said what I had to:
“I am very sorry from the bottom of my heart if ever I have made you feel less than me or anyone else for not having a degree. I think that I have my own issues in relation to education which frighten me greatly, and maybe I will always find it difficult to understand why people don’t feel the same, or why maybe you don’t ever want to study, but for you I accept that because I love you for you. I think you are an incredible person with the biggest heart I have ever met and that is what you have shown me is important and I really do love you with all my heart`
It was a nice moment because I felt like I was taking care of myself and him together, we are stronger together. When you said: ‘ You have been communicating to him, intentionally or not, that he is not valuable because of his lack of education.’ I almost cried in pain because I would never want to do that to him, and I suppose I understand how that feels.
And then this morning, the core belief attacked again. My brother has a girlfriend and I asked what she does. She is doing her PhD and I felt tense, scared and less. Then I realised that all anyone wants is happiness and we are all on our own individual paths, so I let it go and focused on the positives in life.
Thank you again for taking time out to respond to me. I want you to know that I value it greatly.
DerekParticipantThank you all again.
If anything I feel less alone now knowing that other people have had/have similar experiences.
I definitely relate to the looking for different worries. I know because this week I have been so calm and in love and the very slightest thing could happen and not bother me. But if I am in a bad mood I get very judgemental very quiuckly.
Thank you for that Anita. Even reading the words ‘a rich one’ made me realise what is important to me. I don’t need someone rich in financial terms, that is way easier to find than someone who is rich in love and respect. I will continue to focus on that the next time that I have anxious thoughts.
Jennifer, I definitely feel this barriers more now, but yesterday I was working and I thought ‘I love him’. It was a very nice feeling, I just had an urge to tell him. And I felt nice stomach sensations rather than crippling fear.
I definitely have been tryimng to face the ego head on. For example, rather than close off and shut down the other day I just told him ‘I feel scared and i don’t know why.’ And it helped the fear quieten. I also have started answering the judgemental thoughts, by realising that they are not true thoughts and that what I can focus on are the positive thoughts/feelings I have about him based on our time together.
The last point you made did make me feel anxious. I often worry that maybe this ‘difference’ in education may become too much. But, really, I can love education and grow in that sense alone as part of the relationship. I think at times I overvalue it, i.e. my self esteem was built on it which is not healthy.
I also a(after calming down from reading the difference statement) realise that we have very common core values:
– love and respect
– love for family
– how to treat children and how we believe in disciplining them (with words not physical action)
– how we love to explore in differnt ways…travel for example
– how we love to seize the moment
But most of all, we both just want happiness and I do believe in my heart that is what we provide for each other, however scary that may be. I think that making educational differences a dealbreaker would break my heart only. We are so much more than what a title or university course says about us. For example, both of our personal circumstances when we wer younger impeded us from further education one way or another. I was fortunate enough to go back. He however did something so selfless by taking over the role of his family business and providing for them when they had no one else to turn to.
Now, I believe after hearing years of ‘jokes’…simple comments about his spelling, his memory, that he believes he CANNOT do it. That hurts because I want him to know he can take on the world and will never receive anything but support from me. I think it comes from a place of love, that I want him to have these opportunities too because he deserves them. But, I need to accept that these decisions must come from him and in the present moment it does not matter.
I can’t predict the future so must stop trying to.
DerekParticipantThank you both for your responses. I had a few days of clarity after and felt good about everything and we have been enjoying life happily.
Qeirdly enough at at this moment I feel anxiety creeping in. I am wondering if we will have enough money. If I will ever achieve what I “want with education” as I will have to do it in a foreign language (Spanish) which is not my mother to gue.
Then it latched on. Will he ever push himself more than he has done? Will he ever achieve more? What if he never earns more? Will he have enough to live? Can we survive on minimal wages? What do I do if I find others attractive and those who have more muscles? “Better jobs”?
But resllt all i want to do is kiss him and tell him I’m scared. So that’s what I’m going to do I stead of letting this fear form too much of my happiness.
DerekParticipantHello!
Thanks for sharing! I have some of these negative and not useful thoughts regularly. One of my biggest fears is our differences in education and ‘intelligence’. However, I suffer with anxiety and realize that these thoughts are useless to me. I try to break out of thinking like that by saying a positive so for example:
‘I really wish he wanted to study and go to University’ followed by panic. I try and say ‘Well he is a kind loving person who made the most of his opportunities and I respect him for that’.
I also think that we are separate people. I LOVE studying, but truth be told I used it as an escape from a very difficult childhood. I never realized that not everyone feels the same, and is probably related to my perfectionist personality, which is also full of faults because perfect doesn’t exist.
Also, we are so much more than intelligence and social status. Firstly intelligence is so so so broad. He has traveled the world and knows so much more than me about history and travel. He teaches me that. I am really into psychology, emotions and feelings and I talk to him about that. Truth is that we must look for people outside the relationship to fill certain needs. What i mean is I have struggled for so long thinking he should provide me with every need and desire but again that is impossible.
Another thing and possibly the HARDEST: there are probably things that bother your bf about YOU! Its normal. I know my boyfriend sometimes just wishes I would relax more and enjoy instead of analyzing every little thing. The point is is that differences are normal and we both contribute to them. Do you really want a clone of yourself?
The future is scary for everyone, that’s what to focus on for mindfulness. Try and stay in the present. TRY. It’s hard but takes time. Be kind to yourself. The only constant is change and the present. The way I think about it is that he constantly encourages me to study and do the things I like. And originally I was hell bent on convincing him to study but overtime I realized he had a bad time in school with bullying etc and this probably really warped his image about studying so he made his own way. And I can’t change that and HAVE to respect that. I feel that I could turn to him on any day of the week and ask for help or cry my eyes out and he would be there for me straight away, and vice versa. Love is more than education. Grow together, that’s education.
Nothing is pointless, they are your feelings. But all of these issues are an internal thing, try and explore why it bothers you so much. What is it that scares you about the future and differences? Is it that past experiences have caused you to be so vigilant? Do you have a big critical inner voice (like mine) that makes me constantly judge and criticize him? I’m attaching a video that I watched on YouTube which helped me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGuZVuUBeiQ
Wishing you the best that love has to bring for you.
January 2, 2018 at 8:04 am in reply to: I overthink my feelings for my boyfriend and stress myself out #184675DerekParticipantHi Patricia,
Thank you so much for posting this. I think you are really brave and hope that you can see that. You also are strong enough to face your fear head on instead of run away or succumb to it. For me alone that shows the growth that you are making as a person and I personally find it really inspiring. I wish you could be as kind to yourself as you are when you speak about your boyfriend because I think self-love and relaxation will help you. I have so much to respond because so much resonates with me. I wish I could give you a hug. You have made me feel so much less alone, I thought I was crazy for the negative and stressful thoughts but you have made me feel like it’s ok not to be ok, so thank you.
I am also in my first relationship and constantly overthink it. I am in a gay relationship which for me added some extra difficulties and can be confusing. For example, I have days when I completely freak out and shut down. This usually stems for a very poor childhood experience that is still unresolved. I noticed that it happens to me around big occasions, for example our 2 year anniversary was yesterday and all I could think about was what if he leaves me? What if I don’t love him? IS he good enough, is he educated enough, is he attractive enough etc? These are quite painful and difficult emotions to deal with but what I have learned is that I am not my thoughts and can choose which ones to follow. And remember to just breathe. So like you said you CHOSE HIM. So the next time a negative thought pops in, say to yourself but RIGHT NOW IN THIS MOMENT I CHOOSE HIM. Thank the thought for trying to protect you. I literally label it and say ‘Oh here’s my anxious thought popping up trying to protect me again. Thanks for that but I am ok and choose my boyfriend and love over this thought’.
The best thing in my opinion is to create as much honesty between you both as possible. Talk to him about your feelings and ask him to be kind and non-judgmental about it. I am lucky enough to have a boyfriend that I can say to ‘I have been really worried about whether or not this will work out to the point I downloaded Tinder for 5 minutes and swiped realizing I didn’t want anyone else but I am finding it really hard to accept and receive our love’. As you can imagine, that is a lot for anyone to take. I beat myself up for months about it, and even repeated the pattern until one day I decided to just breathe. We always have our breath. And I started meditating regularly.
Oh the buzzing feeling. This happens in the honeymoon period, but be kind to yourself. Do you have some days where you look in the mirror and think WOW I AM THE HOTTEST PERSON ON THE PLANET? Probably not, but like love, attraction can come and go. I literally have days where I feel full of passion and want to make love, and other days where stressful negative thoughts take over and I think ‘I don’t know if I find him attractive’. This is all down to our self esteem and how we feel about ourselves. Relationships are like mirrors and reflect the best and the worst of what we see in ourselves.
I realize this is a long message and I really could keep going, so I am going to end this with some bullet points about how I try and cope and has helped me:
– Keep a diary. I write everything and it literally feels like a breath of fresh air.
– I sometimes try to combat the negative thoughts by having a time frame to think about them. So my ‘thinking time’ is 5 – 6pm. If a thought comes to my mind outside that I say ‘Sorry cannot think about that now – come back later’. It really has worked.
– I use a free guided meditation app, called Insight Timer and love it. It really helps me to calm in my scary moments
– DON’T GOOGLE THINGS. That was the WORST pattern for me. I have done it again recently, but google can tell you any answer you want and actually will just increase the anxiety and stress. We don’t live in Hollywood and every relationship is different so there is no right or wrong way to be in your relationships (obviously I mean healthy relationships, not abusive/violent etc.)
– Remember not to focus your whole world on your relationship. You are a WHOLE PERSON that forms part of ONE Relationship. I think it is really important to find your own personal happiness outside the relationship and enjoy that.
I am going to stop now because I am actually meant to be working but was so so so happy to see your post. I hope I haven’t gone overboard and that this helps rather than stress you.
Remember, just breathe. Wishing you so much happiness and strength.
Derek
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