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Hi Anita,
This was a lot more difficult to do than I would have expected. I wonder why that is? When I really think about it, and bring myself back to that place, I felt above all else, scared. Scared that I wouldn’t be cared for like I needed to, helpless. I also felt sad, lonely, neglected, unloved, jealous, wrong, grotesque. Like something was definitely wrong with me, not her or anyone else. I felt guilty, for not being “right” and “good” naturally. I also felt confused, that I didn’t know why things were this way, and angry about it, for that matter. As I got older, I replaced most of those emotions with anger. I became (outwardly to my family) mean, abrasive, and cold. Inside, I felt those same emotions, but I didn’t let myself think about it or really feel them.
When I reflect on what I’ve written here, you are right, these are the same emotions I have been feeling towards men, especially in the early stages of dating. What makes it worse, is when those relationships end, and I see them in relationships with other women, it validates those negative emotions even more. Like those women are “right” and “good” and “desirable”, while I am not those things. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy that I can see now. Did you suggest I do this exercise, so that I can fully acknowledge and heal these childhood wounds as to not repeat the negative cycle again?
laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
As usual, I think you hit the nail on the head! When I think back to these experiences, I remember how painfully it hurt to feel like my genuine, authentic self wasn’t enough to garner the love and attention I desired, so I needed to constantly try to be the perfect daughter, then the perfect friend, the perfect student, the perfect therapist, and the perfect girlfriend. I realize now that I mould myself into whatever I think the other person wants, and in the end it doesn’t work, and I loose myself. This process validates the internal script that I have carried with me too long, that there is something wrong with me and I need to hide/cover it up. There were times, with my mother and others, that this seemed to work, which I think further validated the process of trying to be someone other than myself. However, as I look back, it never did remain effective long term.
I think I am braver now, I am trying to be more myself, more authentic and honest. To allow myself to receive rather than always trying to give. I’m disappointed that I didn’t practice this more with the man I wrote this post about. On our first date, I was completely myself, and I felt great. Then, as the date progressed and I realized I really liked him and saw potential there, I started the old pattern of trying to be perfect for him so he would feel the same way. Even sleeping with him too soon had more to do with pleasing him and trying to make him happy and like me, rather than staying true to myself, my values, and my boundaries.
I would love another chance with this man to be myself, to see what happens naturally that way. I’m not sure I’ll be given one (especially since he has begun talking to another woman on the same dating app), but I am gaining peace and empowerment in relinquishing the faulty notion of control, and seeing what unfolds organically. Interestingly enough, early on, he mentioned that but I didn’t understand it at the time. Now, I think I do.
It’s almost funny, all this time I thought people I met in my life were constantly rejecting me and finding better elsewhere, when in reality, I think they were rejecting the “fake” version of me. It makes me wonder, if I had stayed true to myself and my boundaries, always been myself, would those relationships have turned out differently? I guess I’ll never know. Anyway, I am going to try my best to rectify the rushing I did the best I can, probably by giving him some space and allowing him to come to me rather than the other way around. Do you have any other suggestions on how to go about this?
- This reply was modified 7 years, 4 months ago by laelithia.
laelithiaParticipantThanks for your replies Jon and Inky!
The more I think about it, the more I see how I have a pattern of jumping into relationship with both feet way too early on that does two dysfunctional things. One, it makes me very invested emotionally before I even assess if the man is a good partner for me, and two, it scares the men away (for good reason!) and they assume the attraction to me is lost. I think they begin to associate this “too much too soon” pressure with their overall picture of me.Inky,
I too thought me loosening the reigns and allowing myself to be a Plan B was totally disrespectful to myself, but I’m now seeing it a different way. The way I see it now, is that we had a spark growing on the first date (he even told his friend, who told me, that he said it had been the best date he’d ever been on), but I think in moving too fast and rushing things (to which I think we were both responsible for) it sort of suffocated the early flame and became too comfortable too soon.I spoke on the phone with him yesterday, and I think this is what made me realize how much pressure I was putting on myself (and by association, him) to make a relationship work because I had been intimate with him. He basically said that the reason he was worried if we should continue to see each other or not is that if he was not sure if the spark was there, and we continued to date, we would be on the path to a committed relationship. I can see how this is troubling for him, if he wasn’t sure that intense attraction was there, not to mention it is far too soon to be making commitments like that. We’ve only really spent a few days together after all. He did say that he still really likes me, and would like to see me when he’s back though.
In my own healing, I am really learning to let go of the control of situations and others I seem to think I have by altering my behaviour. Instead, i am more focused on improving my own wellbeing so that I don’t feel this urge to jump into relationships to fill a void. I am going to try my best to rectify what I think went wrong in this relationship, but I won’t try to force it if it doesn’t happen like I have in the past. He said he would call or text me today after reading an article he asked me to send after I told him about (it spoke about the myth of that elusive “spark”. It was a good article but I realized this morning I only sent a small part of it. I almost messaged him with the rest, but thought it would be best just to tell him later when he contacts me), when he does I’m thinking of suggesting that we continue to see each other (no sleeping together of course!) but more casually. I figure this way, if that “spark” or attraction comes back naturally without all the pressure, then great. If not, I think I will be in a far better place to move on.
- This reply was modified 7 years, 4 months ago by laelithia.
laelithiaParticipantThanks so much, Anita! That’s so thoughtful. Here’s the link: https://tinybuddha.com/topic/getting-over-infatuation-with-someone-who-wasnt-real/
laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
I have been doing my best to take your advice, to fill the hole with “reality to fit the subjective experience”, but I suppose I’m at a loss in how to do this. I’ve tried dating again, but I quickly become discouraged that it doesn’t feel the same/as good as it did with him, and fearful. He promised me so many times he wouldn’t break my heart, that he would always be there for me, that I was the one for him, that I am terrified of this happening with anyone else. He broke all those promises to me. One day, I broke down and sent him the pictures of the texts he sent me, promising never to hurt me, and he said cruelly to get over it, that it had been 2 months already. He said we shouldn’t be friends anymore, that I was only trying to prove to myself that I could keep a man interested, even as a friend, but that he was not. I know I set myself up for that, but it still hurt nonetheless.
I feel so stuck, so damaged, and hopeless about my future romantic prospects. Anyone I meet, I cannot imagine them being as wonderful as he was at the beginning. I can’t seem to find that connection with anyone else, they’re appearance, communication style, interest in me, etc. all seems to be less desirable than his. I see now that it was not real love on his end, but it was real for me. I have never felt that way about anyone before, so grateful to finally have that emptiness inside of me filled, that I was certain he was the one for me. It’s now been almost 2.5 months later and still I wake up every morning missing how things were. Feeling exhausted at the prospect of starting over with someone that won’t understand and care for me the way he did.
I’ve regressed back to wondering what would have happened if I had behaved myself better that last visit to his city when we were together, what if I had paid more attention to my appearance? I was lulled into a false sense of security with him so early on, but in reality, it was the early stages of dating and I should have presented myself better. Anyway, I have accepted that it is over, but any time I have alone, I am reminded of the emptiness I have always felt, only now it is even larger without his affection.
laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
I think a large part of the reason I can’t let go, is that we still talk. I thought it would help me come to terms with the way things are now, rather than they were before, but I don’t think it is helping. He’s told me now that he is no longer even trying to date women, just “sleeping with them”. He openly admits that he has issues he needs to work through, but that he doesn’t seem ready to stop what he’s doing to figure it out.
In my dreams, I fantasize about a reality where we continued being infatuated/in love (whatever it was) with each other, that somehow he or I moved so that we could be together, that we began living a life together. We were involved in each other’s lives, we were close to each other’s friends and family, we became a team. He never stopped looking at me the way he used to, he continued to love to make me happy. None of the bad ever happened, and we are happy together.
I’m beginning to realize that I’ll never really know or understand why that dream will never happen, yet my mind longs to understand, almost as if I did, then it would all make sense and the pain will go away. But I know it’s not true.
All my life I have longed for a love I did not feel I received, and this was by far the closest I’ve ever gotten. Which in itself is sad, and honestly quite pathetic. I’ve even tried to acknowledge this with my parents, especially my mother who’s love I’ve felt has never come naturally, but it doesn’t seem to help. Instead, I have a hole, a deep longing that never seems to go away. I feel I must be an easy target for men like him, who come on strongly for whatever reason, and am even more empty when they leave.
He knew about my past heartbreaks. He promised never to “mislead my heart”, and yet he seemed to have done just that. I know of his pattern now with women, but it’s still so hard for me to believe that what we had was not special, that it’s par for the course for him. But it was special to me. Embarrassingly so. I don’t think many women would be as distraught as I have been from such a short romance. Yet I find myself absolutely crushed, that for the very first time in my 28 years of life, I finally felt satiated, that I had the love I always wanted, and just as quick as it came, it was gone.
One thing I found quite sad was that when I think of him, when I miss him, more than his physical presence, it’s the “virtual” him I miss. I miss the constant attention, validation, and hope for when I would get to see him again. It’s the dream I miss, rather than the reality of that dream. That is a scary thought, but really, in this moment, right now, I miss the excitement, the thrill of wondering when I’d see my “dream guy” again, I miss him texting me what I was up to, I miss seeing his face on my screen.
That is sad, isn’t it?
June 16, 2017 at 12:59 pm in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #153710laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
That is what has always confused me, too. The contradiction. I can understand that he “played” me, that it was never real emotion, that it was a game to him. But at the same time, he consistently says he felt his feelings were true at the time. This leads me to 2 conclusions:
1. He’s confused, and doesn’t really know himself, what he wants, or the consequences of his indecisiveness/confusion on others, or
2. Something I did (or didn’t do) caused him to either not continue developing feelings for me or to stop them all together.
Somehow I am more inclined (emotionally at least) to pay more attention to the latter reason. I think it’s because I have so much “evidence” that I can refer to. Ex. Many, many pictures of himself with captions like “Baby, I miss you!”, “you’re the perfect woman for me, we’re going to be such a strong couple”, “I’m so happy you’re mine”, etc. I think when I look back on those and all the messages he sent me, I begin to feel nostalgic and like I lost something truly amazing. However, my friend told me, and I believe its true, if what he was offering, he couldn’t consistently provide, none of it matters.
I keep trying to focus on that, but it’s so difficult. My heart longs for that “love” again, to feel so special, to have so much hope for the future, to build a life with someone I truly cared for. Somehow my fairytale dream/fantasy turned into a dark and miserable nightmare that I wish I could escape.
June 16, 2017 at 11:11 am in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #153690laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you again for your support and understanding. I had recorded one of our phone conversations (just so I could remind myself rather than keep asking him the same questions), and he said this:
“It’s not like a fault or anything of yours. You are a good catch, really established, educated woman, you’re very attractive, you’re almost 30, you’re in your prime, got your life together, everything’s good. I just, don’t think it’s for me, you know? It’s for somebody else.” When I asked him how he knew that, how he was sure, he said “the few times we hung out it was like I don’t know, it was great don’t get me wrong, but that’s the time you get to gauge someone, feel them out, and to be honest, I just didn’t feel it. It’s not anything specific or against you, Lauren”. When I asked him if he knew this when he was making all those promises to me, he said “No, I was just in like, love land. I didn’t realize- I’m sorry, I apologize, I shouldn’t have played you so hard like that. I just… I don’t know. I guess I just wanted a sure thing. But I didn’t realize I was trying so hard. It’s totally my fault, I’m sorry.”Even though he said it’s nothing against me, I of course begin to doubt myself and how I acted after our last visit. The first 2 visits seemed to go well and he seemed still very interested in me, it was only after the last visit when I went to see him that he changed towards me.
I’m not sure why, after all this time, and while he is clearly over it, that I am not? Why I can’t seem to let it go, or move past it. I know no matter what it can never go back to the way it was, and yet I long for that. I know that even if he ever were to change his mind again and want to be with me, it would never be the same and I could never trust him. Yet my mind is stuck reliving the good moments of the past, and I am angry that it didn’t continue that way.
I’m having such a hard time understanding that nothing I did or didn’t do could have kept this outcome from happening. Instead I keep replaying our times together, and wondering what would have happened if I behaved better? What if I paid more attention to my appearance? What if I played it cool and aloof rather than matching his eagerness and attention like many of the dating articles out there suggest?
These questions seem to haunt me, and are destroying my current happiness….
- This reply was modified 7 years, 6 months ago by laelithia.
June 16, 2017 at 11:07 am in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #153688laelithiaParticipantSmiley,
I so feel for you! I know exactly what that’s like, unfortunately. It’s as if these men have no idea what they actually want, so they come on so strong to us to see, and then suddenly they decide they don’t want us. It’s so unfair. I hope you feel better soon, we both deserve to heal!Liz,
Thanks so much for sharing! I can totally relate to your story, and even how you feel about having them on social media. I’ve done this a few times with exes, deleted them and then ended up re-adding them because I wasn’t ready for the permanency of it all. I’ve found it’s only when I’m 100% over an ex that I can delete them from social media without regretting it.I hope you feel better soon, we are definitely all in this together!
laelithiaParticipantHello again.
I’ve taken some time away, in the hopes that I could finally put all of this past me. Somehow though, I still find myself struggling despite knowing all that I do. I wrote this to him today, I have not sent it, yet for some reason I long to. I don’t know why. Anyway, here it is:
Dear J,
I’m writing you this to have closure for myself. It’s been 55 days since we “broke up”, and somehow I still find myself upset over what happened, missing you, and missing what I thought was a deep and meaningful connection. It’s clear you no longer (maybe you never did?) feel the same way, which is reason enough to let you go, yet somehow I find myself stuck in this place.
I think back to when it seemed like we were in love with each other, it felt like pure love to me that I had never had before. I was completely myself with you and I felt accepted and adored by you. I don’t know if you were pretending, but the way you attended to me made me feel so special, loved, and ultimately, yours. In the time since that went away, I’ve felt the opposite. Alone, unloved, discarded and unworthy. I keep dreaming (literally many nights) that the you I knew came back to me. This version of you is caring, attentive, loving, and most of all, mine. I honestly see who you are now as a completely different person. You have the same face, the same body, the same voice, but everything else is different. The other you, “my” you, would never have done what you have. He loved me, he was always there for me, always making sure I was okay. He thought I was special, he was going to marry me and we were going to have beautiful babies together. That dream still brings a tear to my eye, I’ve never wanted that with anyone before. I wanted it so badly, to be your person and you mine. I thought you did to.
What I don’t understand is why you stopped wanting it. Why you felt suddenly that you could do better, or that I wasn’t the one, or that this dream wasn’t as beautiful as you thought it was. I’m perpetually confused by it. I have so much to offer, this I know. I’m attractive, educated, successful, sociable and kind. Most of all, I adored you. I was proud of you, I wanted to do what I could to help you see yourself the way I saw you. I truly loved you in a way I haven’t anyone else. How could you let all of that go without a second thought, without trying to work it out with me? I don’t understand what happened for you to change your mind about me, to stop seeing my value and the life we could have had. Maybe this is why I can’t seem to fully let it go. I honestly do not understand, and I’m left in a state of confusion and hurt.
Maybe you can help me understand, maybe you have the answer. I was so happy when I thought you loved me, the happiest I have ever been. Why did it all go away?
⁃ L
Thank you for reading.
- This reply was modified 7 years, 6 months ago by laelithia.
laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
Yes, it’s concluded now. The meeting served exactly the purpose you suggested. I was able to see that he was not the Fantasy I had envisioned. He was a regular, ordinary man. In my dreams I had imagined him to be so much more than he really was. He is flawed (as we all are!) and I realized once and for all he was not the person I had remembered/envisioned him to be.
I still miss this wonderful man I remember, but as time passes, I realize that it was never really him. This is both a relief, but also painfully sad. I think when I started this thread and named it what I did, deep down I already knew this. I’m going to work as hard as I can in this time of transition to truly look after myself so this cycle does not repeat.
As I reflect on this breakup and losing my job, I am reminded of a quote I read once. It read “While it may appear your life is falling apart, it’s laying the framework for rebuilding exactly as it should.” I believe this to be true for me, that this is an opportunity for me to solidify a strong foundation for my life, one grounded in reality. I promise to do my best to stay true to myself. Thank you so, so much for all your help in this process. As I’ve said before, I don’t think I could ever express my deep gratitude for your time, thoughtfulness and support.
I wish you the very best.
– L
laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
I am with him now, I think it’s working! I’m not feeling how I did before. Do you think there’s anything in particular I should ask him?
Thank you again for all your help!
laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
I’m so torn beteen the choices, I don’t even know what my heart wants. For some reason my gut is trllling me that if I’m going to see him, it has to this week/weekend. I think it’s because anymore time delaying it, will continue to “build up” this fantasy. I want to be able to move on from all of this the best way possible, and I just don’t know which option is the best.
I am 100% sure that I will not be taken for another ride with him, should he want that. I am worried though that if I do see him, rather than facing my fantasy head on, I might regress and miss him more afterwards. It’s so confusing! I don’t know if I would regret more seeing him, or not seeing him.
To make matters worse, I lost my job this week. I was planning on leaving anyway, but for it to happen that way, has been particularly traumatic for me and my clients. I’m also grieving that now, too. I’m worried I’m not thinking clearly, and Thai feeling of everything being rushed to make a decision is giving me a lot of anxiety. I really don’t know if I should try to see him today or tomorrow or not. It’s so difficult to know…
laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
Yes, he has definitely stamped me with “expired”, that I know. I was more wondering if you still thought it was a good idea to meet with him for coffee, as you mentioned, in a different context. I think if I asked him to meet tomorrow (rather than his precious weekend time, it is his birthday and all) he would probably agree.
Then again, I wonder if a 6 hour drive, and essentially stroking his ego/coming off as a clingy ex is worth it. I’m just so confused on how the best way for me to move on is. I just want to kill this fantasy once and for all. I don’t know if seeing him in a different context would truly provide me the closure I crave, or it subconsciously it is just an excuse to see him again.
laelithiaParticipantYou bring up such good points, Anita. At times I’m envious of people like him that can sort of switch of their feelings, but when I really think about it, I would not want to trade places. I don’t think people like him are able to have real deep and lasting connections with others. Which of course, begs the question why I am still fantasizing about the relationship.
I believe what you said initially to my post is the real loss I am grieving. I am grieving what he represented at the time, the kind of man who I need to be with, who satisfies my craving for love and attention. The package he came in was simply a bonus, I believe.
Now that this fantasy has gone on this long (almost as long as the actual “relationship”!), I’m wondering what I should do moving forward. He seems indifferent at best and uninterested at worst to meeting with me, and I feel stuck. Part of me feels if I push it enough, he will meet with me, and I will be faced with my fantasy/illusion head on and will move on from it (I will see who he truly is), and part of me feels like I should just let it go as it is, cut all contact, and proceed without stripping anymore of my dignity to him.
What do you think should be my next step?
Thank you so much again for your patience and wisdom!
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