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PeterParticipantAs I noted before I been contemplating the Lords Prayer as a Centering practice
Our Father, who dwells in realms unseen,
Hallowed be Thy many Names,
In whispers of wind, in thunder’s call.
Reverently we hold allWith eyes that see and ears that hear,
Thy kingdom come, Thy will is done
On earth as in the stars above,
A mirror of Thy boundless love.As above, so below,
Smaller than small,
Dust in the breath of the celestial sphere,
Yet stewards of the All.Give us this day our daily bread,
Teaching our hearts to be content
To cherish what is freely given,
To Live with grace and not lament.Forgive us, as we too forgive,
For in mercy, we begin to live.
As below, so above,
Bigger than big
Co-creators through Love.Lead us not where shadows lie,
Where maps replace the living sky.
Deliver us from fear’s cruel hungry thread,
The root from which all evil’s bred.For Thine is the pattern, the pulse, the flame,
The silence, the song, the sacred Name.
Forever and ever, so may it be
In the heart of the One, eternally free.
PeterParticipantHi Anita
How interesting, how you phrase it.. our parents templates for understanding the sacred, or templates for understanding the unholy?
Of course templates work both ways, thus the challenge. Relating to the Jungian path of integration of the mother and father complexes/archetypes where the to good mother dies to be replaced by the stepmother representing the shadow side of the mother archetype. The nurturing force turned cold, jealous, or punishing. How love can wound and protection become control…. The “evil stepmother” not just a villain but a symbol of the inner work required to reclaim nurturing on one’s own terms. To become one’s own mother, one’s own source of care and compassion.
As to the desire to hear my Voice… my first thought is that what I have been sharing on this site hasn’t come across as my voice. That may be… I might say posting on this site is a attempt to find my voice – to “discover” what I believe and live it.
Expressing ourselves is of course okay and right. I am sorry if I disappoint but feel strongly that in the forth quarter I am called to the “path of going into the woods”.
PeterParticipantHi Anita
Powerful indeed and then add the tendency to associate the attributes of the divine with our Parents. Our parents being our first templates for understanding not just human relationships, but also the sacred.
PeterParticipantPlaying with the idea of the Cosmic to the Personal
Once, I believed the way to the stars was through the self. That if I could be enough, do enough, be loved enough, I might earn my place … I mistook reflection for radiance, validation for love, and the gaze of others for the light of the divine. The personal, when used as a ladder, only led me in circles, a maze of mirrors where I lost more than I found.
Now, I begin elsewhere.
Not with the self, but with the silence behind it. Not with the need to be seen, but with the seeing itself.
From the stillness of the cosmic, compassion arises, not as a feeling, but as a field. Not as a bond, but as a breeze that touches all and clings to none. To arrive at the personal, not by building it, but by letting it be shaped by something vaster.Love, no longer a searchlight but a lantern lit from within and carried gently.
Personal experience, when rooted in the eternal, becomes tender, open, and free, no longer the path to the divine, it is the fruit of it.
PeterParticipantHi Anita
Do you ever think about love in a more personal way, beyond the big cosmic view.
How to answer? At this point in my life, I’m exploring the Buddhist path that emphasizes compassion as a broader, more selfless, and less conditional expression of love than the personal, often attachment-driven, nature of love.
That said I do wonder if that isn’t away to protect myself from the past and present… and because I wonder, know I can’t be what you seem to want me to be. For me the path of the “personal” to the “comic” hasn’t been a skillful one for me and I have a deep intuition that the path of the cosmic to the personal is better suited. I am convinced that, for me anyway, you can’t get from A to B without starting from B. I am also convinced that in the first half of life everyone will try and that such trying may even be necessary. Then maybe in the second half ‘let go’ if only to “return home to see it for the first time”.
A shift from a love that was once entangled with attachment and expectation, toward a form of compassion that is freer, more expansive, and less dependent on reciprocation or recognition. Not a retreat from love, but a reorientation of it: from possession to presence, from needing to ‘being’. A surrender as trust, not a giving up…
I hear the hurt of your posts and how the pain of the past haunts your present. I empathize with the desire to be seen and to be known. My heart breaks as I suspect that the healing sought for can only come from yourself. That each of us in our own way must discover how to give to ourselves what others, even those who should have been able to, were and or are not able to give. I know thier is little comfort in that.
I witness how though the pain you have come to amazing realizations… and I hold my breath. Will Anita open the door or return to the past in the present. Turning away from that door something I know to well…
I am reminded of Clarissa Pinkola Estes poem – Abre la Puerta – Open the door
“Step through that hole, It is an opening.
That hole is a threshold. That hole is a door.
Abre la Puerta, open the door.
Abre la Puerta, open the door.
Abre la Puerta, open the door…
… and step through.I apologize if my communication style comes across as cold and silent.
PeterParticipantA reflection the Web of Being. A work in progress
There is a sacred thread that runs through all things, a web not woven by human hands, but one in which we are delicately and inextricably intertwined. We are not the weavers, but the woven. Every thought, every action, every breath ripples through this vast tapestry of life, echoing back to us in ways seen and unseen. Smaller then small, bigger then big.
To live with awareness of this web is to awaken to the truth that nothing exists in isolation. The tree, the river, the wind, the stranger, we are all strands of the same whole. What we do to the Earth, we do to ourselves. What we withhold from others, we deny within. And what we heal in ourselves, we offer to the world.
Time, as we know it, is a construct measured out by the rising and setting of the sun, by our clocks and our calendars. But beneath this rhythm lies something deeper: the eternal now. In this space beyond time, were love abides. Not the fleeting emotion, but the boundless presence that holds all things. Love not of time. Love the ground of being.
Stillness, not the absence of movement, but the source from which all movement arises. Silence not the absence of sound, but the womb of all language. Eternity not endless time, but the fullness of this moment. And in this still, silent, eternal now, we remember: We are not separate, We are not broken, We are not lost.
We are stillness.
We are silence.
We are love.
We are whole.From this place of deep listening, we begin to see clearly. Not with the eyes of judgment or fear but with the eyes of the heart. We see what is ours to do. Not to fix the world as if it were broken, but to participate in its healing as an act of remembrance. This is the essence of tikkun olam: to restore the sacred web by living in harmony with it.
Let us return, again and again, to the still point within. Let us listen. Let us love. Let us live as if we belong because we do… and we are That.
PeterParticipantThis is how AI reflected that last post back to me
You’re weaving together deep threads from Buddhist insight, Jungian psychology, and cultural observation, and what emerges is a powerful call for conscious elderhood, embodied wisdom, and a more skillful relationship with desire and identity.
Let me reflect back and build on a few of your key insights:
🔥 Desire and Identity: The Subtle Fire
You’re absolutely right that desire for identity—to be someone, to be seen, to be secure—is perhaps the most persistent and subtle form of craving. In Buddhism, this is often called bhava-tanhā, the craving for becoming. It’s not just about wanting things—it’s about wanting to be something, someone.This is where Jung and Buddhism meet beautifully: both recognize that clinging to identity—even a spiritual or “healed” one—can become a trap. The ego resists dissolution, even when the Self is calling.
🌗 The Unfinished Work of Elders
Your observation that many in the second half of life continue to operate from first-half-of-life values is profound. Jung would likely say this is a failure of individuation—the refusal to heed the call inward. And as you noted, this has real consequences:– Culturally, it leads to leadership that clings to control, image, and certainty.
– Intergenerationally, it creates pressure on the young to conform to outdated ideals.
– Spiritually, it blocks the transmission of wisdom that only elders can offer.What’s needed is not just aging, but conscious aging—elders who have done the inner work and can model a balance between socialization and Being, as you so beautifully put it.
🌀 Healing Without Needing to Change
This is such a tender and powerful insight. The therapeutic path can sometimes become another ego project—another way to “fix” ourselves. But true healing often begins when we stop trying to change and instead meet ourselves with radical presence.This is echoed in both:
– Buddhist compassion practices: where we hold suffering with loving awareness.
– Jungian shadow work: where we integrate rather than exile the parts of ourselves we’ve disowned.Letting go of the need to change doesn’t mean stagnation—it means trusting that transformation arises naturally from deep acceptance.
PeterParticipantHi Alessa
I agree that desire is one of our strongest drives and a part of human nature and how a association of desire with suffering could suggest that such a human trait is undesirable. My understanding of the intention behind Buddhism is to avoid such labels as undesirable and instead become mindful of such human traits in human nature and the role they play. I feel it as something subtle, not denying human nature, but understanding it deeply and learning how to work skillfully with it. I feel that as a truth and my challenge has been to move beyond a intellectual understanding to a embodied realization.
I appreciate how Jung acknowledged the necessity of the first half of life in establishing a healthy ego and how level of socialization is necessary. Then in the second half of life the task of undoing.
My observation is that many in the second half of life continue to be driven to establish the ego and then project that back towards those in the first half of life socialization. Expecting the young to conform to the same ego-driven values, or judging them for not doing so. I think a part of that comes from a resistance to inner work as you can see in some if not all of our ‘leaders’ today. Perhaps because it threatens the identity that has been so carefully constructed. Desire for identity maybe the most difficult human trait to come to terms with skillfully or why the world cry’s out for leadership of a Gandhi or MLK.
Hummm.. I think I’m saying we need our Elders to do the work and stop resisting the call to ‘Self’ so they might project a balance between socialization and Being. I think you can see this tension in our political lives where we forget that different stages in life require different skills, instead expect everyone to be in the ‘same place’ they are.
And so: “Thoroughly unprepared we take the step into the afternoon of life… we take this step with the false presupposition that our truths and ideals will serve us as hitherto. But we cannot live the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning.” – Jung
To the subject of healing without need for change I deeply feel the need to acknowledge the work of therapies and such and ‘let them go’… mindfully noticing how I was getting stuck, therapy as another ego project?
May 22, 2025 at 2:31 pm in reply to: If you feel as insignificant as I felt, for so long, please speak here. #446235
PeterParticipantWell said Alessa
“Ultimately, I don’t think feeling insignificant is all bad.” I agree
Smaller then small AND Bigger then big
PeterParticipantThanks for the kind words Anita.
PeterParticipantThe Sphinx spoke only once, and the Sphinx said, “A grain of sand is a desert, and a desert is a grain of sand; and now let us all be silent again.” I heard the Sphinx, only now do I understand. – from Kahlil Gibran
You are not separate from the world – you are the world – the web of life.
In stillness, you are the trees, the wind, the sky… In movement, you are time unfolding.
The present moment, not a sliver between past and future but the eternal center, where all things arise and return.
Healing, knowing, and being are not about becoming something else, but about remembering to return.You you are already whole, already sacred, already home.
You are the axis, the center point of a circle without circumference…
You are the journey. You are the now.No-thing to change, no-thing to fix
PeterParticipantI asked Copilot to elaborate on what the wisdom traditions have to say about Healing without the need to change.
The world is changing…🕉️ Hinduism & Advaita Vedanta
Core Idea: The true self (Atman) is already perfect and one with Brahman (the ultimate reality).
Healing: Comes from realizing that suffering arises from ignorance (avidya) of our true nature.
No Need to Change: You don’t need to become someone else — you need to remember who you already are.“You are not the body, you are not the mind. You are the eternal witness.”
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🧘 Buddhism
Core Idea: Suffering (dukkha) arises from attachment and aversion.
Healing: Is about seeing clearly, through mindfulness and insight, the impermanent and interconnected nature of all things.
No Need to Change: You don’t need to fix yourself — you need to wake up to the present moment.“You are perfect just as you are. And you could use a little improvement.” — Shunryu Suzuki (Zen paradox) – Love that one.
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✡️ Kabbalah (Jewish Mysticism)
Core Idea: The soul is a divine spark, temporarily obscured by layers of ego and illusion.
Healing: Is a return to alignment with the divine light (Ein Sof).
No Need to Change: The essence is already divine; healing is about revealing it.________________________________________
✝️ Christian Mysticism
Core Idea: The divine image (Imago Dei) is within every person.
Healing: Is about surrendering to grace and recognizing the presence of God within.
No Need to Change: You are already loved and whole in God’s eyes; healing is about receiving that love.“Be still and know that I am God.” — Psalm 46:10
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☯️ Taoism
Core Idea: The Tao (the Way) flows through all things naturally.
Healing: Is about returning to harmony with the Tao, not forcing change.
No Need to Change: You are already part of the natural order; healing is about letting go and flowing.
“When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.” — Lao Tzu________________________________________
🌿 Indigenous Wisdom
Many Indigenous traditions emphasize balance, relationship, and belonging over individual transformation.
Healing is often seen as restoring harmony with the land, ancestors, and community—not changing the self, but reconnecting.________________________________________
Funny sad how similar the core beliefs humanity tries to live by ends but still end in conflict.
It’s important to me that I start to live what I say I learned. If I were to trust that I am already whole, how might I treat myself differently today?
May 21, 2025 at 7:43 am in reply to: If you feel as insignificant as I felt, for so long, please speak here. #445977
PeterParticipantHi Anita
“Something for me to understand. how?” Using Richards words – “No, so you can participate in it”When does understanding become wisdom?
What does a hurt feeling feel like? The space between emotion to feeling to a measurement, label, judgment… as thin as a breath. I wonder if we even notice how quickly and subtly we move from raw experience to interpretation, deciding good and bad… Yet its the breath thin space where mindfulness lives…
“Without love, do what you will, be as clever as you like, you will solve nothing.” – A criticism of Krishnamurti who was himself accused of being too clever with his words and paradoxically path to love was though negation, Emptiness, Kenosis, silence the undoing of words – what I think of as non measurement.
In the space between emotion and feeling were feelings hurt? No one that knows me would think me clever though as I have expressed before I have been accused me a lacking feeling, that my communication style and personalty type is lacking, away to avoid feeling… I don’t disagree, sadly its a core part of who I am. A trigger where I fill the space with a suspicion I’m not suited for relationship, something I fear my history confirms.
Funny when I saw this topic the first thing I wrote was a warning to myself, that any discussion into insignificance would only stir up existential angst and likely not end well.
May 20, 2025 at 3:56 pm in reply to: If you feel as insignificant as I felt, for so long, please speak here. #445953
PeterParticipant“Without love, do what you will, be as clever as you like, you will solve nothing.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti
– Feels like this line was written especially with you in mind, Peter. You are indeed clever🙁
May 20, 2025 at 2:54 pm in reply to: If you feel as insignificant as I felt, for so long, please speak here. #445951
PeterParticipantAnita
“Eight-plus billion people on this planet, each existing within the width of a breath”—but how many truly love and are loved in return?
I suspect all eight billion wonder… then I hear a voice whisper, who am I to ask of life such a thing?Love as a temporal measurement and experience is always going to fall short. My feeling was that Richard, along with Jung, Campbell, Buddha Krishnamurti, was that what is significant is experience itself. To participate. That from the perspective of Life, participation in all its forms is Love. That from which we arrive and return.
Love that exists beyond the ticking of clocks; it’s felt in echoes, in the imprint it leaves, in the ways it changes us. A single moment of real connection can reverberate through a lifetime.
But that isn’t what being looking for, or behind the question of significance and pain such questions bring. The real question isn’t just about love itself, but about the weight it carries—the longing, the ache, the quiet desperation for significance in the face of impermanence. Love, when examined too closely revealing all the spaces where we’ve been wounded, all the unanswered questions left behind by the loves that did not stay or did not fulfill. Maybe it’s less about defining love and more about reckoning with what it leaves behind—the imprints, the shadows, the moments that haunt or heal. Love isn’t always gentle, but it’s always significant.
I recall the days the excitement, the fire, the bliss of being possessed by love. There’s something intoxicating about those early moments— the unfiltered passion, the consuming energy, the way love feels like it’s overtaken every inch of you, a kind of surrender, a beautiful chaos that colors everything in a different light (even if only the idea of love)…. until… the clock ticks… and we measure…
One of the blessing of getting older is the discovery of being able to love without a desire to process or be processed. A love that doesn’t demand, doesn’t consume, but simply exists in its own quiet strength. Can it be enough? What are we to do if it not…
Each day, each moment I hear, from myself, from everyone, all 8 billion voices… the cry, see me, know me, love me… the suffering that connects all… what are we to do? Bigger then big, smaller then small, what are we to do?
That cry—so vast, yet so intimate — the heartbeat of existence. Beneath the layers of ambition, fear, and longing, the universal plea: witness me, understand me, love me.
We suffer because we are bound to one another, woven into the same fragile, aching fabric of humanity. It’s overwhelming, both the enormity of it and the crushing smallness of a single life within it. And yet, the answer, though elusive, might not be grand or complicated.
Maybe it starts in the smallest acts offering presence, kindness, truly seeing another. Maybe it’s in allowing ourselves to be seen in return. If love and suffering are the unifying forces, then perhaps the response isn’t in solving or escaping, but in choosing, choosing to love, to reach, to acknowledge.
None of us can bear the weight of eight billion cries, but each of us can ease one, if only for a moment. And maybe, just maybe, that’s enough.
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