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Peter
ParticipantHi Alissa
I really appreciate your thoughtful comments and the grounded way you approach these issues.
I’ve also noticed that AI often acts as a mirror, how I frame a question (the prompt) significantly influences the response. As a tool, AI has the potential either to expand our consciousness or to constrain it by reinforcing our existing biases. The key, as in all great hero stories, lies in the questions asked.
I agree with Anita, recognizing AI as both a tool and a mirror is an important insight. It reminds us that when we engage with AI, we are, in many ways, engaging in a dialogue with ourselves. Questions I ask myself when engaging with AI: how am I being mirrored? Does this interaction reveal unconscious biases within me?
I’m not sure I would call AI a illusion though, however I recognize how easily someone might forget that AI is a tool without feelings or beliefs.
These were some of my findings:
— Engaging with AI often reveals more about the human user than the machine itself.
— AI reflects the assumptions, tone, and biases of the prompt and can surface latent patterns in the user’s thinking
— AI can introduce novel insights and perspectives when used intentionally. Conversely, if fed biased input, it can reinforce stereotypes or narrow viewpoints, a known issue in human-AI interaction and algorithmic bias studies.
— The reflective nature of prompt-response loops can expose underlying values, assumptions, or blind spots.I’m currently exploring a notion of relating to the wisdom traditions teachings as a mirror. ‘When observation becomes a mirror, it becomes a portal, not to escape, but to enter more deeply into the real. In that stillness, the noise of the mind quiets, and something deeper begins to move, not thought, but insight, not effort but understanding.’
Peter
ParticipantThanks Anita
I should note that the notion of planting the seed was a seed planted by something you said about your personal ‘mission statement’. To do no harm and help in the ways you can even if it feels small. Perhaps your own answer to your question – how can WE make a positive difference?
In response to your reflection – “You said it perfectly, Peter. You used the word ‘we’ – we are repeating…’ – but the tragedy is that there’s so little of ‘we’ in today’s fractured world. There’s too much of ‘they’… those people. And ironically, they (whoever they are) might say you’re the one caught in an illusion—the illusion that there is such a thing as ‘we,’” – I want to share this: (something I struggled with while forming my last post)
You’re not wrong. I hear the truth in what you’re saying as the fracture between “we” and “they” feels very real, and it is painful. Yet I wonder if such observations, intended to highlight the divide, might also unintentionally reinforce it.
Our minds crave safety in clear distinctions: “us” versus “them,” “inside” versus “outside”… On one hand, the more we hold tightly to “they” as outside, the stronger the division feels. On the other, the more we recognize that “they” reflect parts within ourselves, the more the boundary softens, and the “we” naturally expands.
My use of “we” is an invitation to lean into the latter.
So perhaps the tragedy isn’t that “we” is missing from the world, but that the story of separation keeps being retold and believed?
How can WE make a positive difference, in a Life worth living? Perhaps healing begins, and a new consciousness awakens, when we take the step to see the “they” in “we,” and the “we” in “they.” Not a original thought, just one we tend to lose in the shadows.
We can’t change how someone might respond to these thoughts, that is part of the grief experienced, but its what we can lean into as we struggle to live our truths, and just maybe plant a few seeds along the way.
Peter
ParticipantHi everyone. Over the last weeks I’ve been exploring this dread I been feeling and Anita has been expressing. (I used AI to aid me in walking through and clarifying my thoughts and frustrations.)
We are living in what could be called a golden age. Never in human history have so many people had access to so much: information, comfort, connectivity, and opportunity. Diseases that once decimated populations are now treatable. Knowledge that was once locked in libraries is now available in our pockets. In many ways, life has never been better for so many.
Yet Despite the abundance, people feel anxious, disconnected, and disillusioned. The prevailing narrative is not one of triumph, but of breakdown, of systems failing, of meaning eroding, of futures becoming uncertain.
Despite the promise of a golden age, I find myself increasingly skeptical that I will witness a positive outcome in my lifetime. The world, for all its technological brilliance, seems determined to cling to an outdated consciousness, one rooted in competition, fear, and the illusion of separation.
Just this week, Countries have pledged to re-arm and increase military spending. This, while environmental issues remain unchecked and public health systems strain under pressure. The priorities are clear, and they are not aligned with the kind of future we claim to want. It feels as though we are repeating the errors of the past, only now with more powerful tools and higher stakes.
This is not cynicism. It is grief. Grief for the potential we are squandering. Grief for the wisdom we ignore. Grief for the generations who may inherit a world more fractured than the one we were given.
And yet, even in this grief, their is responsibility. If the world is not ready to change, then perhaps the work is not to wait for change, but to live, speak, and act from the consciousness we hope will one day take root. Even if we never see the harvest, we can still plant the seeds.
Today’s technology has the potential to awaken us or to further entrench us in unconscious patterns. I pray we choose the braver path.
If we are to navigate this age bravely, we must do more than innovate. We must awaken. We must learn to slow down in the midst of speed, to listen in the midst of noise, and to remember that the most powerful technology we possess is not artificial, it is the human capacity for awareness, compassion, and transformation.
Alan Watts might remind us: “You are under no obligation to be the same person you were five minutes ago.” And neither is society. We can choose not to escape ourselves, but to meet ourselves more deeply. Just maybe that might be the difference?
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
The Riddle my go to song. 🙂
“You’re lookin’ for a clue? I love you free…” I imagine myself sitting in those words, being loved – free.“Looking back, I realize I’d been thinking that stillness meant the absence of feeling” – I hear the beginnings of a song?
FYI – I’ll be of line for a while.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
The world is so big and we are so small… yet even smaller then small we are bigger then big. When I feel this way I like to listen to the song ‘The Riddle’ by five for fighting
What you’ve been expressing touches on a deep and sacred wound, the loss of the innocent child, the one who never got to fully arrive. It’s left you in a long night of the soul, where the ache of loneliness doesn’t just live in the body, but in the soul. I too know this ache. The kind that visits most often at night, when the world quiets, the noise fades, and all that’s left is you… and the silence. If only the birds would sing…. I might not fill the space with thought of what was and should not have been, if only.
I turn to Rami’s words on loneliness. He speaks of it as a sacred visitor, one who comes to reveal that there is something within you that longs to be seen, held, and loved. Not by the world. Not even by another. But by you.
And yet, though I know these words to be true… how can they sooth when one can’t feel themselves enough?
Words, in the end, must fail. So, I return to the sacred container, the place where tears are allowed to fall without shame. You speak of being thrown into old age without ever tasting youth. But the soul is not bound by time. She waits. She remembers. She still sings.
Listen deeply to her voice. You are not broken. You are becoming.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
It seems to me you have been touching on something “just out of the corner of the eye” that resonated with my own ponderings. That word Loneliness associated with darkness, how it colors life and that ache. I do not wish to say to much more as it feels like space to hold for a while.
I will share an accompanying thought that has been arising as I’ve sat in T.S Eliots words and that you also echo in your last respnse. And “Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart” (Luke 2:19).
Mary doesn’t rush to interpret or act. She doesn’t try to control or explain. She simply holds with reverence, the unfolding of life, even when it’s confusing or painful. The feminine wisdom of contemplation, of allowing meaning to ripen in the heart over time.
In Jungian terms “Mary” the ‘sacred container’, the vessel of the Self that holds paradox, uncertainty, and transformation. A reminder that not all truths are meant to be solved or spoken. Some truths grow stronger in stillness. Some healings need to happen in the quiet. Some are meant to be pondered, lived with, and slowly integrated.
In a world filled with troublesome stories I find myself returning again and again to this “container”. Not to name the ache and understand, but to feel and find rest in it.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita: Riffing on what you wrote.
Reading the post a line from the Heart Sutra arose: “Form is emptiness, emptiness is form”. I don’t know why, but these words leave me with a quiet ache, a loneliness I can’t name, but not disrepair.
Lately, I’ve been sitting with T.S. Eliot’s line: “Darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.”
What if light and darkness aren’t opposites? What if light is darkness in motion, illumination as the unfolding of awareness, form as the dance of stillness?Last night I read a dialog from Assassin’s Song by M.G. Vassanji which I felt was connected to the ponderings – Looking up into the night sky Bapu-ji asked: “But what is nothing?” I gaped with my child’s eyes at the blackness above my head, imagined it as a dark blanket dotted with little stars, imagined with a shiver what might lie beyond if you suddenly flung this drapery aside. Loneliness, big and terrifying enough to make you want to weep alone in the dark.
“There is no nothing” Bapu-ji continued, as if to assuage my fears, his tremulous voice cutting like a saw the layers of darkness before us, – “when you realize that everything is in the One.”Before the first light moved, there was not nothing but stillness. A fullness so vast, it needed no form. A silence so deep, it echoed with potential. We call it darkness, but not to be feared, This is not the absence of light, but its womb. Light dances, born of stillness, the breath held before the song, motion held in arms unmoving… Do not fear the dark, it is not lonely, no need to rush to fill the silence, it is not the end of light; it is its beginning.
I wonder, the quiet ache remains unnamed, has it been felt.
The night sky whisperers as I drift to sleep; Fall, child. Fall into the blackness. It is not forgetting, it is remembering what you were before you were born.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
I wish there were words that would help reduce fear and anxiety. I know how quickly the work we have done to move past our hurts can be undone by outer events we have no control over, and we find ourselves in old familiar unwanted territory.
I can’t say I understand the world seeming constant need to hurt one another. (Perhaps a fear of ‘not enough-ness’ a topic for another day.) How this moment the happenings of the outer world triggers uncertainty, anxiety and fear. Then I hear your cry, “I think of letting go of any love for my mother.” the heart breaks, love so entangled with pain, obligation, betrayal and survival. (Is this the cry of current world affairs? Are we letting go of love…)
Over the last few months, I feel you standing at a threshold, not just of letting go of a relationship that has hurt you, but of something deeper: a way of seeing, feeling, and being. The words of the Heart Sutra come to mind – into the gone, into the gone, into the gone beyond, into the gone completely beyond, the other shore, awaken.
Today I started my day reading the meditation from Acton and Contemplation. It spoke of contemplation as “a long loving look at the real.” That line stayed with me. Because maybe what you’re doing now, facing the truth of your experience, your pain, your history… as a kind of contemplation. And maybe love, in this context, isn’t about closeness or forgiveness or even warmth. Maybe it’s about seeing clearly and choosing peace.
You said you might be letting go of love for your mother. I wonder if what you’re really letting go of is the version of love that hurt you, the one that demanded silence and the sacrifice of self as the price for survival. That’s not love you need to keep. Love can be fierce. Love can walk away. Love can protect.
“There’s a kind of joy that comes not from things going well, but from being real, from standing in truth, even when it hurts. And there’s a kind of sadness that’s not weakness, but wisdom. Both can live in you at once. That’s not contradiction, that’s depth.” after Richard Rohr
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
Binary thinking existed long before personal computers
True, my point was that the digital “information” age re-enforces that tendency. Our reliance on our ‘smart phones’ to not only manage and record our memories but in ‘think’ for us… we need discernment sills more then ever.
Hi ALessa
Thanks for the vote of confidence.I’ve also pondered the notions of ‘Treating others as you want to be treated.’ -‘Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you’ similar but not the same thing. And then ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’ – wondering – what if were not so great at loving ourselves? Then the suggestion to read that literally, that we are our neighbor. In the web of life everything is connected – what we do to the earth we do to ourselves…
“We swim in a river consciousness, experiencing just a molecule of the whole, mistaking it as separated from the whole the I calls I.
We do not “come into” this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean “waves,” the universe “peoples.” Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe.” – WattsPeter
ParticipantHi Anita
Sounds like you had a night 🙂“I used to think in black-and-white terms—all-or-nothing”
Sadly, the digital age, especially with algorithm-driven platforms reinforces and amplifies our tendency to either-or, all or nothing, binary thinking.
Regarding the second half of life transition, the digital culture does make it harder to slow down and listen inwardly. On the other hand, it can be a great resource to explore the wisdom traditions and such.
I wonder what role AI will play? Will we use it to amplify the noise and distraction and quick fix. Or could it become a companion for reflection, ask better questions, and access deeper knowledge. LOL – I implied a ‘either or’ when the its going to be both.
Skillful discernment something the we will all need to develop… I hope society will be up to the task.
I was recently asked what I thought was the best advice the bible had to offer and the first thought that came to mind – “But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.”
In a culture of instant reactions the advice to step back to ponder, observe, absorb, and reflect. Her response to the miraculous a profound inward stillness, fully present to the moment. Such pondering isn’t passive; it’s thoughtful engagement. She’s not simply feeling her faith, she’s examining it, cherishing it, and contemplating its meaning, a invitation to blend heart and mind.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
To the topic of suppressing vs expressing emotions. I would agreeThe thought or image was as “partners in a quiet dance”, holding the tension of paradox as connection.
Expanding the metaphor, dancing with a partner requires tension as the means to create connection, to feel where the partner is. A connection we hope neither to light nor two heavy.
In dance, that subtle resistance isn’t conflict; it’s intimacy and communication. Feeling where the other is without overpowering or collapsing, just enough to know. Emotionally, that same kind of attuned tension allows us to meet our inner experience with respect. Not rushing to express nor forcing it down. But holding it, sensing it, moving with it.
Understanding, I trust, will arise but not as a driving force, not as the intention… the intention being to dance.
Like breath, we exhale and inhale. There are moments when a feeling held back is a kindness, to ourselves or others. And moments when releasing becomes a form of truth-telling, connection, and transformation. Neither is wrong. Neither is the whole. Together, they move us toward being.
A change in perspective where suppression vs expression becomes suppression and expression. Not poles in opposition but steps in rhythm. In that middle space, the breath between action and stillness, we cultivate a presence that doesn’t demand resolution, it listens, resonates. This was the experience of stillness while dancing.
In the second half of life, I wish to lean into that, a move from the head to the heart. A move from a seemingly insatiable need to understand and cry out why, to a quite yes.
Anyone following my posts might notice how difficult letting go of understanding has been, being a defining attribute of “my type”. The mind is so good at trying to protect us by explaining everything. But the heart of the fourth chakra isn’t to explain, it’s to witness and be open. Not the end of inquiry, but a softening.
Writing that I wonder if its not all wishful thinking, the ego disguising itself still wanting to understand… but maybe…
“Grant me the grace to hear the Voice beyond voices, the one that never shames or frightens, but invites, strengthens, and clarifies. Strip me gently of illusion and hostility until even my fear forgets its name.” – Anonymous
What would such a dance look like to you?
Peter
ParticipantHi Everyone
“thoughts on the later half of life:”
Jung once said it takes a healthy ego to let the ego go, a truth I’ve come to embrace. I see letting go as the work of life’s second half.
Like the Hindu notion of Vanaprastha, once a literal retreat into the forest—it now symbolizes a journey into the inner forest, a conscious turning inward that rest in the heart chakra. A time when one begins to relinquish control, status, and possessions, and instead seeks wisdom, contemplation, and spiritual depth.
On my path, I began noticing a tension between duality (the river) and non-duality (the ocean), and with it, the assumption that such an experience must be one or the other. Perhaps, in hindsight, this assumption revealing a desire to escape life (suffering).
It was through ballroom dancing that I encountered stillness within movement, a paradox that began to shift my perspective. Over time I suspected that duality and non-duality (subject, object, particle wave) aren’t opposites to choose between, but partners in a quiet dance. Not two sides of a coin, but the coin itself. A coin that no matter how you divide it, all are always present.
And so, as the second half of life dawns the realization: the paradox isn’t something to resolve, but something to hold. Paradox softening into integration. It’s here, in this stillness, that ego loosens its grip, not in rejection, but in reverence. The experiences of life, deeply felt and lived, resting quietly in the heart, no longer seeking to be understood, only held.
Peter
ParticipantNice 🙂
I like the line “ocean waits; the river moves” not as separated happenings but existing together in the same now.Peter
ParticipantHi Anita and Alessa
I has been a while, busy at work and I noticed I was repeating myself.
Feels like were saying the same thing – Life worth living is one were we breathe, and breathing don’t get wrapped up in our measures – constructs.
A thought occurred to me while addressing the topic. It struck me that most self-help and self-care practices are heavily centered on the first half of life: achievement and identity, on becoming more efficient, confident, and successful, managing and repairing the past. And that these self care notions don’t prepare us well for passing the baton to the second half. Failing to prepare us for the inward journey where the focus shifts from building the self to releasing it, from striving to surrendering, from doing to being.
The image that came to mind was of a river carving its way though rock and ambition meeting the estuary, the river meeting the tide of the sea where the waters churn and identities blur. The turbulence a sacred dance of transformation, river surrendering to the ocean, remembering it was always water.
Perhaps Anita you could turn the image into a poem.
Peter
ParticipantLife Worth Living – what is it like?
My spidy senses go off when I come across such topics. My history with such topic suggesting it will fall into the trap of measurement, labeling, comparison, if only’s, fears, discontentment – life a problem to be solved vice lived as it is.
Life being something my ego wants to fix. Anything but a seeing Life as it is and letting life be life. Which probably points to a answer.The wisdom traditions all point to the need to re-frame the topic.
– Can I look at life without the filter of what it should be?
– What does it mean to live with awareness?
– How can I be fully present in my life?
– What is arising in me when I feel my life lacks meaning?
– What does wholeness feel like, right now?All good questions but let’s be honest exhausting.
Then the ever helpful, unhelpful – A life worth living is one in which the individual becomes who they truly are – and who the heck is that.
Should the topic be addressed under the noble truths – life is suffering…We nod knowingly yes that is a truth… but we don’t like that, and not liking that a reason we suffer, a self creating loop of suffering…Even when we come to terms with such questions and advice, something happens and were right back to – is Life worth living or more honestly; I’m lonely and unhappy, and life should not be lonely, life should not hurt so much. Life should conform to my will…
Seems I landed were I started.
What would a life look like that was worth living?
One where it never occurred to me to ask such a question?What might happen when we stop trying to make life worth living, and simply let life live through us?
Or put in a way I’ve asked myself before: What if I lived what I say I believe and practice -
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