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  • #441464
    Peter
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    Found an old journal where I used to write out quotes and stuff from the books I was reading. Interesting going back and seeing where I was, what I have forgotten and what still resonates.

    So this topic thread isn’t about looking for help or trying to fix something, but about journals. Wondering if anyone else has old journals and were surprised but what they wrote back when. Feel free to add thoughts or your own meanderings from any old journal entries you might have.

    #441465
    Peter
    Participant

    I forgot about the following entry, I think from a book from John Eldredge ‘The Sacred Romance’, and surprised how it resonated today.

    The Sacred Romance
    “There are only two things that pierce the human heart, one is beauty, the other affliction.
    We cannot deny the Arrows have struck us all, sometimes arriving in a hail of projectiles that blocked out the sun, and other times descending in more subtle flight that only let us know we were wounded years later, when the wound festered and broke.

    What will we do with the Arrows we’ve known, or what have they tempted us to do? But to say we all face a decision when we’re pierced by an arrow is misleading. It makes the process sound so relational, as though we have the option of coolly assessing the situation and choosing a logical response. The heart cannot be managed in a detached sort of way. It feels more like and ambush and our response is at gut level. Our deepest convictions are formed without conscious effort, but the effect is a shift deep in our soul.

    There was a girl I loved but couldn’t love, intimacy requires a heart that is released and mine was pinned down with unknown arrows of fears and grief and so I let her go. I place that last Arrow in my heart that day and shoved it cleanly though. I did it to kill the tears of mourning inside that would have insisted that there was something I had lost.

    I had no one to help me understand the ambivalence created by the messages of the arrows. So I became my own author and killed the one to control the other. I broke my engagement. I gave up the mystery of the Romance for a story that was much more predictable – which is to say, aloneness. Yet there was still an ache and longing for something and someone, I couldn’t quite define and felt agitated and betrayed b such feelings, I pushed them down refusing to be healed. I lived those years in a tangled web of fantasy divorced from present living and reality. The outer story became the theater of the should and the inner story the theater of needs, the place where we quench the thirst of our heart with whatever water is available – sexual fantasies, alcohol, violent videos… The heart deadens and the arrows win.

    The things we do to protect and preserve our hearts usually end up hurting us more. To choose to shut your heart to love – so that you won’t be hurt – is to deny the very thing you are made for. To demand perfection of yourself so that no one will ever criticize you again is to lay an intolerable burden on your back.

    We must renounce our childhood vows. They trap our hearts, pin them down. They destroy us by getting us to agree with the lies. The pain makes the message of the Arrow seem so true, so deep inside; we believe the lie and make the vow. It is important to break the vow so it may not have a strong hold on our hearts.”

    The things we do… my heart cried again when I re-read those words. I’d like to say that when I read them the first time some 20 years ago I was able to heal the wounds and break the vows I made… was in the possess of making after being hurt… I didn’t though, I held on tight. Today I wonder how many remain and how they have shaped my experiences.

    At the time when I added my thoughts to the authors words I noted a memory of my 10 year old self making a vow to not be hurt again. I wonder if it was the moment I became a Enneagram type 5. I don’t recall the circumstances only how lost the young boy was.

    Read a novel over the holidays –

      The Borrowed Life of Frederick Fife

    by Anna Johnston. The author asked herself if someone could redeem another persons life and then wrote her book. I love the book, funny and poignant, definitely worth reading.

    Redemption and forgiveness, second chances and Found Family…. I wonder about the lost young boy making vows and the now old man.

    Prayer
    Somewhere deep inside my heart is wounded within me. I fear to even open up these places, and yet I long to be free. So come, take me by the hand, and lead me into the Arrows of my heart. Only do not leave me there but lead me thought to the fields of gladness and joy. – John Eldredge

    #441466
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Peter

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts and the quote! You certainly read a lot of interesting books. Journals are fascinating, like a time capsule.

    It is so true, sometimes you have to go through the pain to get to the other side.

    I’m not sure what kind of feedback you are looking for, since it seems like you have an idea of types of feedback you don’t want? I don’t want to say the wrong thing.

    I keep journals too, just the notes app on my phone really. But I tend to delete them after a time. The earliest entry I can find is 2019. Looking back is a reflection of what I was going through at the time.

    In some ways I’m the same, in other ways I’m different. Similar pains but a different intensity. I was trying to prove myself. I’m at a different stage in life now. In some ways, I was kinder to myself back then.

    As a parent, everything is a rush with very little time for myself. Very little time to feel or think even. Everything is for my son now.

    Also, I found an entry where I was telling the stories of all of the amazing people I’ve met that have helped me over the years. I do believe that who we spend time with becomes a part of us. I think it was my way of showing gratitude for everything they’d taught me.

    Love, peace and forgiveness! ❤️🙏

    #441468
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    Thank you for sharing your journal reflections and the profound quotes from John Eldredge’s “The Sacred Romance.”

    I wrote a whole lot of hand-written journal entries since I can remember myself, threw away all, then about 14 years ago, I started typing lots and lots of journal entries and I still have those printed journals, but I can’t read them without great difficulty because to comfortably read them I’d need new reading glasses. I get by without because I can easily magnify the computer screen. I no longer read books. My only reading is at the computer.

    The passage you shared about beauty and affliction piercing the human heart is incredibly powerful and resonates with me very much:

    “Our deepest convictions are formed without conscious effort, but the effect is a shift deep in our soul”- this means that I didn’t choose to be who I became. I became who I was (before recent healing) due to automatic, human responses to what I was born into (the people and circumstances of my childhood). In other words, I was a complex set of reactions.

    “To choose to shut your heart to love – so that you won’t be hurt – is to deny the very thing you are made for”- profound! Indeed, I denied myself. I was a stranger to myself, a stranger that I didn’t like, a stranger that no one liked. Alone A Lot. A whole lot of Alone. An Eternity of Alone.

    Early in childhood, maybe I was six, maybe younger, don’t remember, I placed myself on hold so to accommodate my mother’s needs, as I perceived those to be. My needs became strangers to myself.

    “We must renounce our childhood vows. They trap our hearts… we believe the lie and make the vow. It is important to break the vow so it may not have a strong hold on our hearts.”- the first vow I made was to be a good girl, a good daughter, so that my mother will like me. This means (I realize as I am typing) that the premise of this vow was that I was a bad girl, a bad daughter, a bad person. This core belief was the foundational premise of my life for longer than half a century.

    It is only recently that I feel (really, feel) that I am sometimes, here and there, liked by other people. I didn’t even know how it feels until recently. I feel like a little girl now, the girl that was put on hold for so long, too long. The denied little girl is here, typing these words: “Here I Am!”

    anita

    #441473
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    “So, this topic thread isn’t about looking for help or trying to fix something, but about journals. Wondering if anyone else has old journals and were surprised but what they wrote back when. Feel free to add thoughts or your own meanderings from any old journal entries you might have”-

    – Inspired by your invitation I just accessed one of a few very, very thick folders I have, full of printed pages that I typed or copied and pasted. I’ll start with a poem that was presented to me in 2011 by the therapist (a CBT + Mindfulness therapist) I was seeing at the time, my first quality psychotherapy, as I refer to it. This poem started me on my healing path which continues to this day, mostly in the context of these tiny buddha forums, on a daily basis, ever since May 2015. When I deleted my account on Feb 2023 and did not post through Aug 2023, I still read and studied posts on the forums.

    * The separation of the poem into paragraphs as follows (the format) is my doing. The words are Roger Start Keyes’s words, an art historian and a York Zen (a Zen Buddhist meditation group based in York, Northern England) who studied Katsushika Hokusai (1760-1849), a Japanese artist. Here is the poem that started me on the healing part close to 14 years ago:

    “Hokusai says look carefully. He says pay attention, notice. He says keep looking, stay curious. He says there is no end to seeing. He says look forward to getting old. He says keep changing, you just get more who you really are. He says get stuck, accept it, repeat yourself as long as it is interesting. He says keep doing what you love. He says keep praying. He says every one of us is a child, every one of us is ancient, every one of us has a body.

    “He says every one of us is frightened. He says every one of us has to find a way to live with fear.

    “He says everything is alive– shells, buildings, people, fish, mountains, trees, wood is alive. Water is alive. Everything has its own life. Everything lives inside us. He says live with the world inside you.

    “He says it doesn’t matter if you draw or write books. It doesn’t matter if you saw wood or catch fish. It doesn’t matter if you sit at home and stare at the ants on your veranda or the shadows of the trees and grasses in your garden. It matters that you care. It matters that you feel. It matters that you notice. It matters that life lives through you.

    “Contentment is life living through you. Joy is life living through you. Satisfaction and strength is life living through you. Peace is life living through you.

    “He says don’t be afraid. Don’t be afraid. Look, feel, let life take you by the hand. Let life live through you.”

    As I was rereading the above poem today, I was thinking about you, Peter. In my mind, it’s as if it was written just for you. But then, it’s as if it was written just for me, and it’s very relevant to every moment, every day of my life still.

    I am now looking for something to share from my massive journal entries in one of the folders (difficult because it’s in small print… looking for some old reading glasses) … To my surprise I see a page I typed sometime in the summer of 2008. There, I summarized information I read in a self-help book. Here’s part of it: “Harsh self-criticism lowers one’s motivation, increases anger, guilt and limitation”. What amazes me about these words is that at the time, more than 16 years ago, I wasn’t even close to a significant measure of understanding these words. Now I see that it was a strictly intellectual understanding, nothing that penetrated any deeper than the surface. It is only recently that I understand and practice self- compassion in the place of harsh self- criticism. This shift is a new practice for me.

    Turning the pages, I fast forward to Jan 2013. I can see that I was deep into an eating disorder (binge eating) at the time, tortured, obsessed… Here’s something from Jan 2, 2013: “(My therapist’s name) said it has been THE FIGHT OF MY LIFE to BE SEEN”. Here is a part of what I wrote on Jan 28, 2013 (in hand- writing, a sort of a poem in the language I grew up with, translated here): “I waited for a long, long time- I waited and waited for her (my mother) to hear me… Why don’t you hear me?… You (my mother) placed me in a prison of anger- a prison of fear- and I can’t get out…”.

    My notes today: going over the (many, so many) pages was sometimes stressful to read, feeling that same-old, same old deep emotional pain that I don’t want to feel again.

    I mentioned above having been imprisoned in fear and anger. I didn’t mention, in that poem, having been imprisoned in Guilt. I felt too guilty to become an autonomous entity, too guilty to exist outside of my mother. Under her disturbing dominance, I was psychologically dead, or very much dying on a regular basis (outside moments of forgetting, daydreaming). Now, I can call it emotional enmeshment, a psychological entrapment. I craved freedom from her for more than half a century.

    She was my jailer, no doubt. Through her histrionics, protracted self-pity episodes, expressing her suicidal ideation to me, at length, blaming me, at length, many, many times, while there was no seeing ME, no hearing ME, I was unfree to be. Me. There in the home I grew up in, there was no ME. There was ONLY her. No autonomy for me, no self-agency; no empowered, self-directed existence for me. Enmeshment was indeed suffocating to the extreme. I was suffocated but still physically alive.

    Feeling disconnected from myself and from others was my brand of living- dying. It was an incredibly isolating and disorienting experience: I didn’t really know what I wanted, what I believed, couldn’t therefore make decisions or set goals because of this not-knowing. Had a sense of aimlessness, as if I was drifting through life without direction or meaning. Growing up, joy and excitement were muted, absent except for when daydreaming while listening to music when I was alone, without her being there in-person. I felt like an observer, detached from my actions or inactions, disconnected from my body and experiences. I felt profoundly lonely, emotionally cut off from the inside and from the outside, not fitting in or belonging anywhere.

    This persistent sense of disconnection led to my experience of chronic anxiety, hopelessness, helplessness, physical fatigue and exhaustion on a regular basis.

    Thank you, Peter, for the opportunity to find a pair of reading glasses that makes it possible for me to read these old pages. I hope you are doing well and would like to read more about your experiences without trying to fix anything you share, as you requested.

    * Trying to fix others by excessive intellectual analysis has been an ineffective habit of mine for the longest time. People need to be given space for their emotions to breathe, so to speak, a quiet space that’s not afforded when being the recipients of … noisy analyses.

    anita

    #441534
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Yes, you understood the intent. Like you I also have a habit of trying to fix myself and others by excessive intellectual analysis so wanted to create a space where anyone could express their thoughts just to experts their thoughts. Journals are good at keeping things private but sometimes its not till you put those thoughts out in the world that you really see/hear them. Often, I think posting them enough. (Funny at work if I get stuck and ask a question to someone that might help, I find that once I ask the question I realize the answer before they respond. But it only works when I actually ask the question out loud or post it and not just think it. I assume this is the universe notion of a joke.)

    “Contentment is life living through you. Joy is life living through you. Satisfaction and strength is life living through you. Peace is life living through you. “He says don’t be afraid. Don’t be afraid. Look, feel, let life take you by the hand. Let life live through you.”

    As I was rereading the above poem today, I was thinking about you, Peter. In my mind, it’s as if it was written just for you. But then, it’s as if it was written just for me, and it’s very relevant to every moment, every day of my life still.

    That very much resonated, thank-you for sharing. Had I read that 20+ years ago I might have said yes that is a truth and great advice, yet not able to ‘understand’ or put it into practice. In this moment what came to mind as I read it is the experience of being ‘Transparent to the Transcendent’ – life living through you… in that experience further words fade… enough said.

    I was inspired to go back in my journal and look for the words that started my journey. The event was a relationship that did not go as hoped. (I was going to say a failed relationships but today would say no relationships are failures, they just are. Relationships the crucible in which we discover ourselves… and everything is relationship).

    Anyway, it was a title of a song that irritated me after my experience got me looking for answers. The song title was the question. ‘What’s Love Got to Do with It’. It sounds silly, but I was so disappointed so angry about the experience the notion of ‘love’ was a abstraction I didn’t know how to come to terms with. It was clear I had no idea what this thing called love was. Why Love hurt… LOL, I have a list of song titles in the journal.

    Then their was a email I received by the author of ‘Philosophy for Dummies’ by Tom Morris. The author at the time had a site where you could ask questions, and I asked a question about what I felt was a contradiction between freedom, peace and grace.

    Tom Morris didn’t respond with a philosophical explanation of concepts of freedom, peace or grace. His response instead introduced me to the problem of perception and the Rule of Charity. The rule is that if there are multiple explanations for an event, statement, concept… and your unable to determine which version of the event is the ‘truth’, pick the kindest most compassionate one. (I was reading Life of Pi at the time which at some end of the story suggest the same).
    This ‘rule’ changed my perspective on how I might be kinder to myself and others. What I was to discover was that most of the time I didn’t know, and didn’t have all the information, and wasn’t going to be able to get all the information, or get to know why or what… but that I created a story anyway. A story that almost always was a villain and or victim story. I wondered if it was the story was creating the hurt more so than the truth of the event.

    (What comes first the emotion or the naming of the emotion? I am surprised that my experience is that its the latter. I name something as so and then experience it, more often then not getting the naming wrong. What if instead of naming I just feel it?)

    The second thing Tom wrote was that ‘we work for that which no work is possible’. I remember reading this and feeling a huge weight being lifted. I was oddly very excited, even as I didn’t fully understand why. How bizarre that the work we need to do is to get out of the way, where we realize we already are and always have that which we seek… In the words of Hokusai ‘Life living through you’. Perhaps the universe notion of a joke. Not till ask out loud…

    I also found reading parts of the journal stressful, embarrassing… noting how I wasn’t usually ready to ‘hear’ what the words or experiences pointed towards. I look back and the self-critical eye wants to have its say, then I recall the rule of charity and chose compassion.

    I note in my the first page of the journal TS Eliot’s words, (promise) that at the “end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time” (perhaps a answer to why the Buddha laughs.)

    For anyone else that wants to meander in their thoughts, what question and or words sent you forward on your quest?

    #441538
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    Thank you for creating this space for people to just express their thoughts. I want to thoroughly read your recent post and reply without analyzing and trying to fix anything or anyone (not easy for me to do, lol) Tues morning. One of my thick folders of mostly typed journal entries and reading glasses are on the carpet to my right, to dig into tomorrow.

    I hope that anyone and everyone reading this is encouraged to dig into old journals as well, and share about… things that pierce the human heart.

    anita

    #441547
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Peter

    Okay, got it no feedback. I was confused because you encouraged people to share their thoughts. It isn’t something that I have experienced sharing things publicly to not discuss them. Whatever helps you and makes you happy is the most important thing!

    When I was 12 I was aware that I had the potential to go down my biological mother’s path. I hated her, so I decided to do the opposite, sought help and here I am.

    I’ve always loved to read because I enjoyed escaping into other worlds and it might sound silly. I’ve always loved Star Wars. It was the entry way into reading about philosophy for me.

    I think the people who helped me are the ones who inspired me and helped me to fight through the pain. And family has always been a reason for me not to give up.

    I found a bucket list of things that I wanted to do.

    Some I have achieved at least partially, some I haven’t. Some were fun ideas, pie in the sky ideas, or passing fancies. I was inspired to create a new bucket list and compare.

    Help people to believe in themselves stuck out at me as an important one. Fostering was on my list and now I have a child. Who saw that one coming? And some of the things that I thought were important, turned out not to be so important.

    Now my bucket list is about creating memories with people, taking care of them. showing them that I love them. Treating myself every now and then. Having fun. Working hard.

    Love, peace and forgiveness! ❤️🙏

    #441562
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Helcat

    I guess it is a mixed message… and of course I hope you engage with anything that resonates. One of the great things about the site is how much people want to help each other, yet sometimes I feel we can get caught up in desire to want to fix things, fix others. I know that when I go into fix it mode I also go into measuring labeling mode which often isn’t helpful. I’m trying to avoid that. I wonder lately how much of the pain or anxiety we experience is created by the labeling and measuring vice the actual experience.

    I liked reading about your bucket lists and how they changed over time. Looking through my journal and it seems I’ve avoided creating anything like a bucket list…

    I’ve been reading your recent post and very intrigued by your thoughts on the void. I was very tempted to comment and go into my over analyzing philosophical mode but stopped myself. One thing I have learned by going back over my old journals to much information at the wrong time can get in the way. And for some things a person must push through themselves

    I would share a experience I wrote about in my journal… wow 30 years ago.

    I was in hospital and coming to consciousness after a surgery. What I remember is the awareness of nothing, a total black void. There was no fear no anxiety, or a I. Paradoxically their was a awareness that their was no fear, anxiety or I and that this void was also everything. (Was going to say – was at the same time everything – but their was no awareness of time – more eternal present?) It was bliss. Their is a memory of looking around for the source of this awareness and a question: what was conscious, then the question where is the ‘I’?

    And like that scene in the Matrix where Neo enters the white void of the matrix and the rows of clothes and weapons appear filling the space of which he dresses and arms himself. I remember saying/thinking nooooooooooooo as I ‘dressed’ myself in all the things, all the data that is Peter, and of course with that the fear and anxiety. Compelled to dress myself I was pushed/pulled into consciousness.

    I wasn’t afraid in the void and wanted to go back and though I couldn’t there was a kind of bitter sweet peace/longing about it. In hindsight I feel maybe because the notion of the void was no longer associated with fear but something transcendent, being completely empty and containing everything, a something that was also ‘me’ and everyone.

    I’ve been wondering over the experience for 30 years. Its difficult to write about a experience without using the word ‘I’ when their was no I. As I write of the experience today I wonder at the words used – Compelled to dress myself – consciousness wasn’t a choice… how much of what I dressed myself, armed myself with, was?

    #441563
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    “Like you I also have a habit of trying to fix myself and others by excessive intellectual analysis”- did a whole lot of that. Still do. Intellectualization is (my definition) analyses personal matters while under the influence of emotional disconnection and detachment.

    I remember how difficult it was for me to make choices that were the simplest choices for other people to make, such as which flavor to choose in an ice-cream shop. I stood there in a state of analysis-paralysis because my emotions (including ice-cream flavor preference) were, like I said earlier, strangers to me.

    “Funny at work if I get stuck and ask a question to someone that might help…”- I was going to analyze this part of your experience, but I said earlier, in this thread, that I won’t analyze you (resisting the urge).

    “It was clear I had no idea what this thing called love was. Why Love hurt… LOL, I have a list of song titles in the journal”-

    – Love Me Tender” by Elvis Presley, “All You Need Is Love” by The Beatles, “Endless Love” by Diana Ross and Lionel Richie, “Love of My Life” by Queen, “I Want to Know What Love Is” by Foreigner: “This mountain, I must climb/ Feels like a world upon my shoulders/ Through the clouds, I see love shine/ Keeps me warm as life grows colder… I wanna know what love is/ I want you to show me/ I wanna feel what love is/ I know you can show me (hey)”.

    “Then there was an email I received by the author of ‘Philosophy for Dummies’ by Tom Morris… His response instead introduced me to the problem of perception and the Rule of Charity. The rule is that if there are multiple explanations for an event, statement, concept… pick the kindest most compassionate one”- I never heard about the term Rule of Charty. It means to interpret other people charitably, to see the best in others and approach interactions with kindness. Thank you for introducing this principle to me, Peter. I am going to remember it.

    “What comes first the emotion or the naming of the emotion? I am surprised that my experience is that it’s the latter. I name something as so and then experience it, more often than not getting the naming wrong. What if instead of naming I just feel it?”-

    – (not analyzing you, but analyzing the topic): Typically, emotions arise as immediate, automatic responses to stimuli. These are rapid and unconscious responses. Cognitive processing, including labeling emotions, happens second. Intellectualization involves using excessive analysis to detach from emotions, which can lead to mislabeling or minimizing emotional experiences. Also, high levels of stress or emotional overwhelm make it difficult to accurately identify and label emotions. In such states, individuals may default to more familiar labels.

    Mindfulness practices encourage us to directly experience emotions without immediately labeling them. This involves observing the sensations and feelings in the present moment without judgment or analysis. Not rushing to label emotions can reduce the cognitive load and allow us to process our feelings more naturally and authentically.

    “We already are and always have that which we seek… In the words of Hokusai ‘Life living through you’. Perhaps the universe notion of a joke. Not till ask out loud…”- for me, I was seeking becoming a good person by causing my mother to label me a good person, but I was already a good girl. But I didn’t know that because (referring to the words of the Hokusai Says poem), in my little girl perception, Life was Living Through her (my mother), and since she (Life) said I was bad, I was bad.

    “I also found reading parts of the journal stressful, embarrassing…. then I recall the rule of charity and chose compassion”- it is recently that I understand, on a deeper level, that self-compassion is necessary for mental-emotional health. It doesn’t mean that I don’t have behaviors that I need to correct and change, it’s that self-compassion is The Way to create positive, long-term corrections and changes.

    “I note in the first page of the journal TS Eliot’s words, (promise) that at the ‘end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time'”- In the beginning, I was a good little girl. I went on decades- long quest across continents and oceans, to find or create a good person within me, only to find out that I was a good person to begin with. I just didn’t know it until I knew it. There was nothing for me to fix (the little, good girl did not require fixing); there was something for me to see (the goodness in her).

    I want to look into my printed journals later and post again. Your thread is very valuable to me, glad you brought it into existence!

    anita

    #441568
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Your and Helcat response had me looking though my journal for the labels and measuring I applied to my stories. I was about to add a statesmen at how bad I was/am at labeling my experiences but the use of the word ‘bad’ suggests a label and a failure, when the truth as I see it today is that it isn’t/wasn’t a bad or good ability it just was/is me at the time.

    I recently watched a documentary call The Stories We tell – by Sarah Polley. “a investigation into the elusive truth buried within the contradictions of a family of storytellers…”.

    The stories told center on Sarah’s mother who had passed away years ago, who it turns out had a affair which resulted in Sarah. What struck me as her dad, brothers, sisters, mother’s friends… told their story’s was the lack of labeling, no blame, no wring of hands, no existentialist angst, no this was bad this was good.

    I imagine myself or others learning about such things about their mother making them question their sense of self, and all that drama. Maybe that happened… but if it did they moved passed it. These were stories about a mother who was mother and a human being with dreams and faults and gifts… and that they loved. It was clear she influenced who they were but her story didn’t define them.

    Not sure where I’m going with this… What struck me was how desperate we are to tell stories and make sense of them, but that we don’t get to do that having all the information at hand. What struck me was how we can let others peoples stories define our own but that we don’t need to do that. Doing that is a choice. At the end of the documentary my though was that the story about their mother the story tellers arrived at mattered, really mattered but that it also didn’t.

    Sarah Polley choice in imagery and camera shots… she would hold the camera focused on the person while they waited in silence, to begin or process a end… and you could see…. them… all of it in their faces, the shots pierced the heart… the bitter the sweet, and it was beautiful in all its messiness, they were beautiful in their discomfort of sharing.

    I could imagine people watching the documentary and labeling the actions of this and that person, or event, imagining how angry they might be if this happened to them… but I wonder to what end? And they would have missed the beauty. I can’t stop wondering why we label our stories as we do, or measure our experiences as we do, if perhaps were afraid of that kind of naked messy beauty. Have I missed the beauty?

    I was about to delete the this post thinking it didn’t fit in with the thread, as this would be a new and not old journal entry. But then perhaps it does fit. As I go back over the old stories the old journal entries that I say I’m not looking to ‘fix’… fix in place? fix as in change, reshape?… but perhaps see with different eyes.. can I tell the stories today without the labels and let them be as they were/are/will be?

    Can I allow the messiness of myself to be beautiful? LOL Why do I feel a need to label is so?

    #441569
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    Using my phone for a quick reply to your recent post: as I read it, particularly the last part, I labeled you “cute”, to myself. I then thought to myself I might as well let you know that I labeled you so.🙂

    #441581
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    First, I want to rewrite what you presented in your recent post and expand on parts I didn’t adequately understand. Not because you didn’t write it well, but because of my significant to severe lifetime ADD: I can’t absorb much information unless I rewrite what I read. (I’ve done this since I was able to write, rewriting everything when studying for test in elementary school and onward).

    In your recent post, you reflected on your habit of labeling your experiences as “bad” or “good.” You acknowledged that these labels impose judgments, which may not accurately reflect the reality of those moments, realizing that your ability to label experiences wasn’t inherently good or bad; it just was.

    The lack of labeling and judgment in the storytelling of Sarah Polley’s documentary stood out to you, and you appreciate how the documentary presented Sarah’s mother as a complex and multi-dimensional individual. Instead of being seen through a single lens or defined by one aspect of her life, she is shown as having various sides to her personality and character. This includes her dreams, aspirations, personal struggles, strengths, and weaknesses. The documentary doesn’t shy away from showing her human flaws, acknowledging that she, like everyone else, had her shortcomings. The documentary does not define Sarah’s mother solely by her affair and not reducing her to a single act or mistake.

    It’s easy to allow the stories, opinions, and judgments of others to shape how we see ourselves and our own lives. People internalize these external narratives and let them define our self-worth or life path. The key point here is that, despite the influence of others, we have the power to choose whether or not to let these external stories define us. Recognizing that it’s a choice means taking responsibility for how we perceive and define ourselves, rather than passively accepting external definitions. Understanding that we have a choice in how we let others’ stories affect us is empowering.

    This means that we can reframe our experiences, redefine our self-worth, and construct a personal narrative that aligns with our authentic selves. It allows us to create a story that is true to who we are. In essence, while others’ stories can influence us, we have the power to choose how much we let them define us.

    The documentary’s imagery and approach to capturing raw, unfiltered moments resonates deeply with you. You found beauty in the discomfort and messiness of the individuals sharing their stories. There is a unique beauty in the honest, unfiltered, and sometimes messy sharing of personal stories. You wonder if labeling our experiences prevents us from appreciating their raw beauty. By not labeling, we might be able to see the true essence of our stories.

    As you revisited old journal entries, you contemplate whether you can view them without the need to “fix” them. Instead, you consider seeing them with fresh eyes, allowing them to be as they were/are/will be.

    You question whether you can accept the messiness of your life as beautiful. This acceptance represents a significant shift in how you perceive and relates to your past.

    2nd part of this post is quoting you and commenting: “you could see…. them… all of it in their faces, the shots pierced the heart… the bitter the sweet, and it was beautiful in all its messiness, they were beautiful in their discomfort of sharing”- this sentence, your sentence starts messy, authentic (not tidy) and it is indeed beautiful.

    “Can I tell the stories today without the labels and let them be as they were/are/will be? Can I allow the messiness of myself to be beautiful? LOL Why do I feel a need to label is so?”-

    -Yesterday, in my short reply, based on these three questions, I labeled/ referred to you as “cute”. The word “cute” is often associated with innocence and a sense of purity, and it’s often used to describe what or who evokes positive and affectionate feelings. Indeed, my use of “cute” was motivated by a feeling of affection and positive appreciation of you. I see innocence and purity in your questions.

    But after submitting that post yesterday, I was worried that “cute” may not come across positively to you, that it may offend you. In other words, referring to you as “cute” may have been messy. Although very well intended: I thought it’d make you feel good to know how your questions came across to me.

    “Can I tell the stories today without the labels and let them be as they were/are/will be?”- I am now asking myself this question with the intent to answer it in regard to my story or stories involving the person who impacted my life so very much: she (my mother) did what she needed to do, similar in principle to a hungry mountain lion attacking and eating a fawn (a young deer). People generally wouldn’t label the mountain lion “bad” because it is driven by instinct, and it didn’t choose to be born a carnivore (or to be born at all), and everyone needs to eat.

    The above was pretty neat. I’ll try to be messy: my mother was so sad, so depressed, I feel sorry for her. Oh, how I wish she was happy, so very, very much, wanting her to be happy with every fiber of my being.

    “Without the labels and let them be as they were/are/will be?”- without labels, underneath or beyond labels, there is love (based on what I typed right above, from my heart).

    “Can I allow the messiness of myself to be beautiful?”- my messiness is Love, after all, I realize now, as I am typing this. Ha. And love is beautiful, nothing more beautiful.

    “LOL Why do I feel a need to label is so?”- (1) my neat answer: labeling is a natural cognitive function that helps us categorize and make sense of the world. It simplifies complex information, making it easier to process and communicate. Historically, labeling has been crucial for survival, helping us quickly identify threats, resources, and social dynamics.

    Accurately labeling emotions is necessary for mental health and healthy social function. By accurately naming/ labeling our emotions, we can * Identify what triggers them, which is essential for addressing underlying issues. * Reduce their intensity. For example, identifying a feeling as “anxiety” rather than just experiencing an overwhelming sense of discomfort can make it more manageable. * Apply appropriate coping strategies. Knowing we are sad, for instance, may motivate us to seek comfort, while recognizing anger may lead us to find ways to calm down. * Communicate our feelings more clearly to others, enhancing understanding and empathy in relationships, and resolving conflicts more effectively. * Prevent rumination, where we endlessly cycle through negative thoughts. * Make more informed and balanced choices that consider both emotional and rational aspects. * Avoid making impulsive decisions based on unchecked emotions.

    My messy (non-analytical, non-clinical) answer (about you): it’s okay for Peter to be Peter. Peter is beautiful inside and out. Everything about Peter is okay with me. I like you.

    anita

    #441590
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    You seem to have understood quite well. I did laugh when I read the word cute, a label I don’t think has ever been associated with myself. I did wonder how the word was being applied and then used the Rule of Charity and choose the kindest reading which seems to have been correct.

    Accurately labeling emotions is necessary for mental health and healthy social function” – I would agree. My thought was that having done that work and as time passes it might be a interesting exercises to try to re-write the old stories or journal entries while trying to avoiding labeling language.

    My first attempts were surprising. Without the labels it seem to free the memories, allowing them to flow. Their was still the memory of the experience and emotions but by flowing they didn’t become the emotions in the moment so I didn’t relive the experience by bring the past into the present.

    I’ve also been playing with the idea of re-writing the old journal entries without using the word ‘I’ which isn’t easy but kind of fun.

    #441597
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Peter

    Thank you for clarifying! I will be sure to engage with things that resonate. 😊

    I really don’t think it is possible to fix others. To attempt to do so would be an exercise in futility. They have to do it for themselves. But I do think that belief is important and very necessary for fixing oneself. Otherwise, the most you can do is hang around, hope some of your own qualities inspire and rub off on the people around you.

    You can attend therapy and never get anywhere expecting the therapist to do the work for you. No one can even change a belief of another person, they have to address and change their own beliefs.

    I don’t mind labels, but I am an ex-language teacher and fond of vocabulary. Funnily enough, I think we started talking about similar things on different threads. 😂 I understand what you mean about how labels can change perspective. I cannot imagine writing without labels. I’d be curious to see an example of that if possible? I’d be interested in try myself and reporting back.

    Wow! Congratulations on managing to journal for 30 years.

    You are always welcome to comment in my threads and share whatever you wish!

    Thank you for sharing your experience recovering from surgery, it was fascinating. I haven’t had any experiences like that myself. I had surgery when I was awake, and once when I was a child when I was convinced that the surgery hadn’t even happened. I carried on counting from before the surgery when they were anaesthetising me when I woke up. 😂

    I had an experience when I was a teenager. Slightly different. I had left my biological mother at the age of 15. I had this world view that my mother was the only bad person in the world, the only thing I had to be afraid of. I was brave and unafraid exploring the world. Everything was child’s play compared to the difficulties I had experienced in the past. Until I was hurt by someone who was also a bad person. My world view crumbled and I became afraid once more, the world became a place where I couldn’t trust anyone anymore (it was someone I trusted that hurt me).

    I like the Matrix too by the way! Mouse was my favourite character.

    Love, peace and forgiveness! ❤️🙏

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