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ParticipantDear Julia,
for me, addiction was a way to soothe the pain of not being good enough. You said:
But I thought about what brings me to starting going down the path again and again and like you described it probably falls back to anxiety – of being alone (with my thoughts?).
What are those thoughts? Do you have a harsh inner critic, telling you how bad or inadequate you are? Maybe your inner dialogue is quite painful, and that’s why you need to distract yourself from it?
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ParticipantDear GenJo,
I came from a christian tradition that embraced magical thinking. When the premise of your beliefs is nonsense then the ground work is laid to convince yourself of anything. The church community supports this and it becomes communal delusion.
So, this has led me to be suspicious of any group with shared but subjective beliefs.
Yes, even otherwise rational people can start believing in absurdities – if that’s the “groupthink” and they don’t want to be ousted by the group.
People in tightly knit spiritual communities often look for a sense of belonging, a sense of family. They sometimes see the leader of the community as a parental figure, who will give them love and appreciation/validation they haven’t received from their parents. So being a member of such a group can be tricky because there might be an unhealthy interpersonal dynamic, adoration of the guru, and rivalry between members, which is similar to sibling rivalry, etc.
What I am trying to say is that beside the teachings, what is also important is the interpersonal dynamic in the group, and specially how the leader is perceived. If there is idealization and “deification” of the leader, that’s never a good sign.
Anyway, these are in my opinion red flags and something to pay attention to in any spiritual community. Not sure how relevant it is for you, but I thought I’d mention it anyway, since I myself didn’t have the best experience.
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
I was forced from a young age to do things that was way too overwhelming for me, and I wasn’t ready for it. That’s the thing when it is mental, people expect you to go from 0-100 and if you can’t they say it’s because you don’t have the will.
You mean mental as opposed to a physical problem? I am guessing that it was different with your sister, who had a physical/neurological disease. She probably wasn’t expected to simply “heal” with the power of her will. And she wasn’t criticized that she was weak when she didn’t succeed, was she?
Am I sensing this correctly that there is wound there related to a different treatment that you and your sister received? Your problems were minimized and you were told to “just get over it”. While your sister got your parents’ full attention. And they never minimized her problems, but took them seriously, right?
People didn’t (and still to this day) respect my boundaries. Which is one of the reasons why i am so hard on myself. I was always told just to push myself harder and that it was not okay to say no because that way your anxiety wins.
I understand. Your boundaries, or rather, your limitations weren’t respected. For example, you were pushed to do a presentation at school, even if you felt horribly anxious. While your sister’s limitations were respected, I guess. Nobody pushed her to do things she wasn’t able to do.
Maybe I am reading too much into this, but perhaps there is another layer of pain – namely not receiving the same kind of care and attention as your sister, even though you too had significant issues and challenges, only of a different type?
So listening to my body and giving it rest when it needs is super important. Be my own gatekeeper and if my body is giving me the red light, people should’t try and convince me that it’s a green light.
That’s true! For example, you shouldn’t be pushing yourself to work overtime. Recently you said: I am working 11 days in a row to help pay for this treatment so not a lot of rest. That’s an example of pushing yourself too hard and not paying attention to your physical limitations. I mean, assuming that it wasn’t your supervisor who forced you to work 11 days in a row, but that it who you who chose to, to pay off your debt sooner?
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ParticipantDear William,
I too was a part of a spiritual community (not a Buddhist one), and it was a rather negative experience. So I understand your caution about joining any group of “believers”. Are you considering joining a Buddhist monastery, where you would live together with other followers? Or it would be a loose community of people, who follow the same teachings but don’t live together?
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ParticipantDear Sadlyconfused,
you are very welcome!
It’s wearing your heart on your sleeve (or rather, your face!) and having no control over it. It leaves you feeling so vulnerable and exposed around people who aren’t always very kind about it.
Added to that is the secondary shame of having been bullied for my shame reactions by my father, sibling, people at school and a particularly nasty teacher.
I had the luck that my mother (or my father) didn’t shame me for blushing. And neither did my teachers. I am not sure about my classmates, I don’t think they teased me for blushing either, since my blushing started mostly in secondary school, and they weren’t as cruel as some of my classmates in primary school. So I don’t recall having been teased for blushing (although I did believe that everybody thought of me as a freak because of that!)
You unfortunately were shamed by your father, your sibling, a particularly nasty teacher and your classmates. That’s very very hard and I feel for you.
The kids I can forgive because they were insecure bullies, but the fact that there wasn’t a single, empathetic adult to reassure me that there was nothing wrong with me meant that it became more of a complex than it should have done. I feel so angry at them as a I recall it, which is probably a healthy reaction!
Definitely, it must have been devastating for you. Not just the children bullied you, but also the authorities figures, whom you admired and looked up to. In fact, this teacher should have been called to responsibility for his unprofessional behavior… Your classmates were probably encouraged by his attitude, and therefore felt free to mock you even more.
You said you had a well-meaning mother, but it seems that she didn’t protect you from this kind of shaming? Have you told her about this nasty teacher? What was her reaction?
I feel so angry at them as a I recall it, which is probably a healthy reaction!
And you should feel angry! This teacher should have lost his job! And your father – well, he really was a cruel, heartless man. A sadistic man, I should say. I think it would be good if you could express your anger in a safe, therapeutic setting, because it will help you to build the capacity to say no, to set boundaries in the future. To not allow people to bully you and disrespect you.
Thank you so much for sharing your positive outcome with healing your shame, it’s so reassuring that your cheeks became less reactive as your self-compassion grew! …If you don’t mind me asking, how long do you think it took you to start noticing that your change in self-talk was having a positive impact?
You are very welcome. I think I took me a few years of intense work on myself. But I think the largest impact was when I started feeling compassion for my inner child – that’s when I could slowly let go of that core shame and of the core belief that “something’s terribly wrong with me”. When I no longer believed that I am defective at my core, I could relax more and it didn’t feel like torture to simply sit among people, or in a lecture, or at a public event.
I’ll aim to get into the habit of speaking to myself kindly before doing things I know are likely to trigger me. I think at the moment I get preoccupied with the discomfort of feeling panic and have been feeling that anything kind I try to tell myself will have no impact, so it helps to read that someone else has been through it and managed to make such inroads with healing.
Perhaps it would help you to do some EFT tapping (EFT – emotional freedom technique). I haven’t tried it personally because I didn’t know about it at the time, but apparently it helps to calm our nervous system.
Dr Nicole Lepera, a clinical psychologist, has a youtube video about it, titled: “Emotional freedom technique (EFT)”. You tap on 9 meridian points, while telling yourself “Even though I am feeling anxious, I deeply love and accept myself.” Perhaps this method has a stronger effect than just speaking to yourself kindly, because it involves working on the nervous system too.
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
As much as a relief it was to finally receive the right diagnosis last year, I was also devastating since after 20 years of hard work now I had to start all over again.
I know what you mean. Although I started working on myself years ago, I felt pretty stuck for quite a long time and couldn’t stop some of my negative habits. Then I switched therapists, and when I needed to explain my problems all over again to my new therapist, I felt so defeated. Like, why am I still here, why haven’t I made more progress?? I felt so defeated that I gave up therapy altogether and picked up only later, perhaps 5-6 years down the line. And then things started moving, finally…
I was only treated for anxiety and told I just needed to get out of my comfort zone and challenge myself, which didn’t make my anxiety less but actually worse.
That was bad therapy – to treat anxiety with “exposure therapy”, without addressing the underlying issues. In my case, I don’t think that my therapist was inadequate, it’s just that I had so much resistance. Perhaps if I had known the concept of the inner child then, it would have made a difference. But I didn’t, and I had so much trouble talking to myself with compassion. My inner critic was so strong and it just kept me paralyzed. The only true shift started when I was able to get in touch with that innocent child within me and see her/myself with compassion… only then did I manage to silence the voice of the inner critic.
At least since getting the right diagnosis things are moving forward.
That’s great! Be patient with yourself though… because you can’t change in one year what has been accumulating for more than 20 years of your life. Small steps, baby steps, and a lot of patience and self-compassion. At least that’s the only way I know.
Of course, besides having a lot of patience and self-compassion, you can also add some practical steps, such as a daily self-care routine, journaling (specially when you are triggered) and things like that. Dr. Lepera suggests a practice called Future Self journaling, where you envision your future self. I find it quite useful too.
I’m also going to look at the situation with the cute guy and cherish the good moments. The fact that of all the women working there I was the one that stood out to him. I have learn a lot and I still have changes to grow since we still work together so there are many chances to challange myself.
That’s a good attitude. Cherish the good moments, and yes, see it as a challenge: how to stay relatively calm and not too activated in his presence. And if you do get activated, notice your triggers, journal about it, etc… In fact, maybe if instead of a challenge you see it more like a game (something like “let’s see how I’ll react to him today”) and take it less seriously, maybe it would make things easier? Because that would take off some pressure of yourself to behave “perfectly”…
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ParticipantDear Casey44,
there’s no way I’m going to have sex with him to ease his ‘tantrum
You’ve noticed it very well – it’s almost like he is restless and uses sex to “calm down”. There are such men (and I guess women too, but less frequently) who use sex for emotional regulation, without being aware of it. Specially men who aren’t in touch with their feelings, as it seems to be the case with your husband.
I find his practice of texting you to get ready for a “quickie”, in between his two meetings, rather degrading. This too seems like venting off stress via sex. Using you like a tool to meet his own needs, without taking into account your needs and your feelings.
It would be much healthier if he would come downstairs for a hug or a quick chat with you in the break between his meetings…
I am here to talk more if you feel like it…
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ParticipantDear Emma,
thank you for letting us know. This is such a valuable work that you are doing! I am sorry that you’ve suffered childhood sexual abuse. But it’s so good to hear that you’ve healed, including by making art. That’s wonderful!
I am in a different time zone and won’t be able to see it at the time when it is live-streamed – is there a way to see it at a different time?
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ParticipantYou’re welcome, Caroline. Good talking to you too!
Take care and take it easy 🙂
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ParticipantDear Caroline,
Unfortunately I ended up not doing anything productive this week but I what I did is took a bike few times to go to the supermarket and thus spent some active quality time
You go to work every day, which is productive… don’t count that as nothing! You deserve to rest and relax, without making yourself feel guilty…. So just enjoy it, as much as you can! In other words, No Pressure! 🙂
As for the smiley: you quoted a paragraph of mine, which ended with a smiley. When you put a smiley in quotation marks, it shows up huge (I guess it’s an error in the script). I know it because I’ve already experienced unintentionally big smileys 🙂 So I guess the best solution is to omit the emoticons from the text you’re quoting…
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ParticipantDear Dan,
You said:
I get really down on myself thinking what more could have I done? I’m stuck ruminating a lot wishing things weren’t the way they are.
In this post I’ll try to explain why in my opinion, your relationship didn’t succeed, and what both you and her could have done differently. I’ll say it right away: I think that your relationship didn’t succeed because of unhealthy patterns in both you and her. It’s not just your fault, and it’s not just her fault.
Let me give you an example. You said you wanted to go on mini vacations, but she always refused. You said it was because you didn’t go on a honeymoon and wanted to make up for that.
It’s normal for a married couple to go on a honeymoon, and to go on a honeymoon alone. So if she refused that, because she didn’t want to leave her children – that shows an unbalanced approach, where she feels guilty for doing something for herself. For having alone time with her new husband.
Besides, her children aren’t that young as she claims. 10 and 14 isn’t so young, they don’t need constant supervision. So she could have left them with their dad for a few days. Claiming they are young and using it as an excuse to not set any boundaries is a mistake on her part.
Returning to the mini vacation example: At the other end of the spectrum would be a scenario where you would want to go on mini vacations exclusively without her children. Where you would say “the weekend is coming, the kids are their dad’s – why don’t the two of us go to XYZ place and have some fun together?” I am not saying this is what you were pushing for, or hoping for, but it would have been an unbalanced approach too, because it would exclude the children altogether and make them feel unwanted.
If your wife was more on one end of the spectrum (never want to go anywhere without her children), and you were more on the other end (preferred not to go to trips with her children) – then it would have caused friction.
I do want to say I understand you: you got a deal which you didn’t want, because covid came and her children ended up spending all of their time with their mother and you. And you didn’t get to have any time with her alone. So going for a mini vacation just the two of you, would have been nice from time to time. And it wouldn’t have been selfish to ask for that.
But if what her children felt from you is the vibe of impatience, something like: “God, when are they going to leave already so I can be alone with my wife?” – then they would have been offended and start turning against you. I am not saying this is what you were thinking, at least not consciously, but unconsciously you might have been giving off such a vibe.
But it must have been hard for you, and you did find yourself in a difficult situation. Let me turn again to your question:
What more could have I done? I’m stuck ruminating a lot wishing things weren’t the way they are.
Well, if your wife didn’t have so much guilt, she would have understood your need and would have gone with you on one or two mini vacations (provided that it was possible to travel during covid?).
At the same time, if you weren’t so needy, you probably wouldn’t have been so negatively affected by the living arrangements during covid (being stuck with her children 24/7), and you wouldn’t have felt so deprived when she was attending to her children. So maybe there wouldn’t have been this rivalry between you and her children.
But this is only maybe, because if she spoiled them (and probably she did, because you said she had no boundaries with them, e.g. she lets her son sleep in her bed), then even if you were more patient and less needy, they might have still been jealous of you. I don’t know.
Anyway, to wrap this up: it seems to me that your responsibility in the breakup of the relationship is in being too needy, i.e. expecting her to meet all or almost all of your emotional needs (to feel loved, cared for, appreciated, seen, validated). She was your best friend (and maybe your only friend?), and it seems you depended on her to feel good about yourself. Due to this neediness, you might have unconsciously felt jealous of her children, which they picked up on.
While her responsibility in the breakup of the relationship, as I see it, is her strong feeling of guilt for not being able to please everybody, as well as feeling guilty for having needs of her own. Depriving herself of the things she loves, so she can please others.
What do you say? Does this seem like a plausible explanation to you?
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
I’ve first heard of Dr. Lepera here on tinybuddha, and recently I’ve come across her youtube videos – and I am loving them! Lots of material on healing the inner child, responding to triggers, healing trauma etc. Very simple and easy to understand. I highly recommend it!
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
Exactly, I would feel so guilty if I didn’t critisize myself then I wouldn’t move forward.
OK, so now that you realize that criticizing yourself won’t really help, maybe you can stop yourself when you notice it. Just notice it and tell yourself something like: “This is my inner critic, I am not listening to him. He thinks he is helpful but he is not, he only makes me feel worse. My inner critic doesn’t help me change. Loving and accepting myself does.”
I am learning to identify triggers. If I am reacting to something in the past or present. Trying to stop myself from self sabotaging, putting up walls, isolating myself.
Also trying to learn healthy coping mechanisms and self soothing so I don’t end up reacting instead of responding. It’s hard work and sometimes you just new to go out and not focus about healing but also living.
It is hard work because you want to be mindful of yourself and not just react from your wounds. I think the most important is to remain mindful as much as possible, i.e. to observe yourself as you go about your day. If you notice you react to something strongly, you can make a mental note of it that it’s your trigger. You can then later explore it (or share it here on the forum): what is it that you reacted to so strongly, what feelings came up, and what is the negative core belief behind it.
I know it’s hard to be mindful all the time, and specially to remain relatively calm (or rather, not too reactive) when we are triggered. Because that’s when our thinking brain shuts down….
I’ve recently been watching Dr. Nicole Lepera’s youtube videos, and she has a really great video on the topic of triggers. The title is “Here’s what to do when you’re triggered“.
She gives 3 key steps: (1) Breathe deeply, (2) Observe yourself as you are getting upset/”freaking out”, (3) Don’t judge yourself for the strong emotions you’re feeling, i.e. practice self-acceptance.
If you do that, a part of your thinking brain (the observer) will remain active, and it will help you not to be completely overwhelmed by the strong emotions you’re experiencing. I don’t know if you’ve tried this technique already?
It’s hard work and sometimes you just new to go out and not focus about healing but also living.
Right… Well, living involves triggers, and triggers cause us pain because they take us back into our childhood wounds. So if you just “live”, you’ll experience a lot of pain, until you heal that pain. But if you are mindful of yourself (i.e. observing yourself and noticing your triggers, e.g. as shown in Nicole Lepera’s video), you’ll experience less pain. So I think that being mindful while living/going about our day is actually well worth it…
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
Yeah the inner critic didn’t do anything good for me anyhow so new approach can’t hurt.
Yes, some people think the inner critic is useful because it drives them to action, motivates them to change themselves. But it is never the case, because the real change can only start from the place of self-compassion and self-acceptance. Never from the place of “look at you, you suck, you better do something about it!”
Trauma work really is a lot hard work so i have to take breaks and rest as well.
What kind of trauma work are you doing at the moment?
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
Yes, I will focus on this as a learning opportunity. I have noticed that i have started self sabotaging again, i get more defensive and push people away but that’s understandable with everything that has happened.
It’s great that you are observing yourself and noticing when you slip, or are tempted to slip, into the old patterns. I think one of those old patterns is to start judging and criticizing yourself, and not giving yourself credit for the achievements you’ve made. Recently you’ve criticized yourself for being a hypocrite, telling yourself that you are behaving the same way as he is – when in reality, you have broken your pattern of avoidance and emotional unavailability.
The good thing is that in spite of succumbing to the voice of the inner critic from time to time, you are also able to snap out of it pretty quickly, and see that this was a learning opportunity and not a failure. This is super important! To observe yourself and when you notice that your inner critic is rearing its ugly head, to tell him: “STOP! I am not listening to you. You want me to stay stuck in the past, blaming myself for my past mistakes, believing I can never change. But that’s not true! I am able to change and I have already proven it! I am making progress, I am changing my patterns, and I am not going back to my old ways! With every day, I am becoming more of my true self!”
You can also tell yourself: “I am not perfect, I make mistakes, I won’t always react in the best way possible. But it’s okay to slip up. We are allowed to make mistakes. If I fall down, I’ll get back up and keep walking. And that’s what really matters.”
I don’t know how this sounds to you, but perhaps it would help you to be more compassionate with yourself. It could be an antidote for those situations when you start criticizing yourself and minimizing the progress you’ve made.
What do you think?
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