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Hi Anita,
What a lot of work i am for you..definitely a casebook nutcase. My ex was too..for a while i felt normal.
I think i just came to the conclusion…i cant stop trying to communicate and get through to him..he wont reply. As long as he has someone there in his life he wont. But i cant silence myself. And i want to be free too. I dont want to feel trapped like this..so maybe i should just do what i feel? Since the other way was making me ill.
This is a very painful process. of course you could say, you will meet someone else and it will be over. But every day i wake up and think of him, think of them..come to some conclusion..go about doing things..change that conclusion about 50 times and cry and so on. It is on my mind non stop and wont budge. then when i get to forget..i see something connected to him. I wonder what the universe is trying to do and stress that i am doing the wrong things all the time. So therefore..i become exhausted mentally and physically. I have had a few times where i just feel really good..and peaceful, that there is some hope. but it goes away again. I have friends who have been through similar pain…one of them is STILL pining for someone they love from years ago. I dont want that. I want closure of some kind but my mind is 150% sure that i am supposed to be with him, why is that?
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi anita, .Im just so tired of myself.
I once again texted my ex today. I cant stop so now im not going to fight anymore although i know its wrong..it hurts, i have to tell him, even if he finds it annoying that i bombard him with texts, he did this to me, thats life. His way of dealing with things is shutting down, cutting off…looking elsewhere for comfort. Pretending it all didnt happen but then i know he sits sometimes thinking it over on his own. There is no communication with him like this and therefore nothing moves forward. And yet…i cant shake that i love him. i just cant. I hate it.
My friends who i have told have expressed some concern that his gf has said to me that she is a witch. One asked me if she threatened me but it was more like childish bravado. I thought how strange it was she was saying i was too young,. and there she was bragging that she was a witch! They think that she can do some voodoo thing to harm me. Ive never believed in that, .. I think men are led by very few things…sex, comfort, the easy lay, excitement..thats about it. If thats voodoo then it wears off in 6 months when the mundane life starts to bite. But i did notice a creepy profile that showed up on a dating site i was trying to throw myself on..i have left it now because i dont like the idea of people watching me, it was clearly a fake profile..based in the same location as my ex. with no picture. but i know it could be anybody who vaguely knows us..the internet is a horrible place sometimes.
i have been made unhappy by reading starsigns..some part of it helps me, encouraging to move forward, then when im weak i read his and a few said: seriously considering finally getting married and settling down and its going to be permanent. There is nothing that terrifies me more. I just cant believe that all the worst things are happening..coming true.
I honestly believe now that this woman made damn sure she moved in as quick as possible to get a handle on him..so he wouldnt come back to me so easily. I am about 100% sure he would have been talking about our problems, her counselling him and saying it was for the best that we broke up, that i was too young for him. She put a wedge between us to secure her position, even leaving her child behind with her ex so she could pursue him.
No, there is nothing else i can do. I am trapped in this situation. Waiting to sell my apartment, but its not happening, trying to arrange appointments that wont work, do sports i cant do or things i cant afford. Everything else in my life is constricted and just not moving forward and i cant help but feel..this is because i am holding it all in..im waiting… Im really trapped.
I am learning now..its moments, maybe hours and days spent in the agony of my mind..then there is exhaustion and i have a day of just numb bliss..where i even feel happy enough that i will get through..then it hits again harder. Its like standing in surf. And i just want it to destroy me, i have no resistance to cruel words…i feel i have a heart that doesnt know how to be closed at all…the arrows fly and i just stand there. I have no idea how to protect myself, it doesnt come naturally. Maybe i will just fall eventually and that will be it. But other times i feel i am stronger than ever because of it. My starsign the phoenix rising from the ashes…you have to see that it does ring true sometimes..
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
Your point was “what if you ARE good enough?” well, i know i am (when i feel it) and i was…but at certain points in my life i have been weak. i have needed help and havent asked for it. I dont know why my partners always let me down then.
For everyone, the beginning of a relationship is usually when you are in a good place mentally, therefore you are good enough: smiling, everything is new..thats how you attract people, by being happy. therefore seemingly “perfect” just like his new gf told me their relationship now is…of course it is! My ex is a very light and fun person, i never knew anyone to attract people the way he did..so it would not surprise me if several women felt he was being “special” with them because he has to flirt, i witnessed it several times, and the resulting anger and jealousy when they realised i was his gf. I found it fascinating, i never felt threatened by it.
I know she was being defiant, i know it was bravado. It is much more likely that they have already had several arguments… But i am not her biggest enemy..in fact, in a really messed up way..i reached out to her. I dont know anyone who would get that or do that…but it made me feel very strong for doing it, i went straight through my own feelings of pain, anger, sadness and longing and stepped up to her with absolutely none of it there. i guess thats a strength at least. But yes, its so very sad.
It just seems that no one will stand with me through the harder times. What do i do about that? how can i see it coming? The demands are high for me to fit in with their lives. And as i explained above, i already know how to do that…to an extent. But what if i can never be happy with another person and am just destined to live alone? Its not what i want.. i feel so bad about it that i AM really suffering. I feel there is only so much that i can do myself but if the other person isnt willing to it will never work.
..therefore, i am letting everyone else go first..making sure they are taken care of. but who is going to look out for me? I know everyone including my ex feels sorry for me..thats not the reality i want for myself. And all i feel is that i like myself less.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
I know i cant stop obsessing over things but in this case it simply feels like….something has been wrenched out of my hands..my dream of a future, a woman came and placed herself physically in between me and my ex, because she knew if she moved in quickly that should work. And my ex, well..instead of communicating his unhappiness with me he just looked elsewhere and was easily led by fun because that is his motivation. I feel like i failed because i wasnt smart, i didnt pay attention, i didnt do the right things, i wasnt good enough. It was ME who had to be stronger.
The starsigns have been rather accurate…in the positive sense, they have saying i have to let go and move on. that i have suffered too much. Its all very rational.
I know im not the only one, people i know have had similar experiences and worse, men they loved who let them down. I feel resigned to that fact for my future. I guess my ex decided he didnt cheat on me because we had broken up already.. he had met her, but then wanted to start something with me again and was very frugal with the truth, leading me along so i had hope. When it came down to choosing between us, he chose her…surely that is me losing in life. I just get run over by everyone, its like i am holding the door open for everyone else to be happy.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
The issue of age for me is very relevant because it seems to be used often to make snap judgement of my ability and relevance. Just yesterday someone guessed me to be 10years younger..again! a broken record that i cant do anything about. It will come up again..and it certainly seems to have been used to rationalise the break up with my ex, seemingly his gf cemented that view in his head. It bothers me a lot.
I suppose i did, like any kid look for approval from my mother…and was always found not quite there, lacking. A bit like looking up to the popular kids in school or wishing you were outgoing i just couldnt be accepted. Striving for approval from someone who will never ever be happy enough is painful. It was the same with my ex who also critical of the things i did, they both had to be the authority.
I guess i wished too much that i was “good enough” to meet the approval, to finally be the right person. But there is always something in my relationships, an earlier ex said i wasnt ready for settling down and getting married when i was really perfectly ready, again i guess he just didnt trust and believe in me..thereby killing the relationship dead, another was ready to commit but only if i made all the effort and had overbearing family who were too controlling of him and bullying so i couldnt face a future effectively with them. It seems i always fall short of being the right jigsaw piece.
With my ex’s family i got on well with his mother, his step dad and his son..i thought that was pretty good going, in fact i was really happy. He had a younger brother who was a bit skeptical of me but ok, he met his partner just about the same time as us and his girlfriend also didnt really want to know me at all and instead would just meet up with my ex when she was in the area but not with me, which i found a little cold. i remember dismissing it that she just couldnt be bothered to relate because she probably felt we had nothing in common.
I see how some women really work at cementing their position in a new relationship. To be taken seriously women have to show they can cook, be helpful, clean and take care of any kids…i guess i just fall short too much. Not having kids myself at my age makes me much more of the outsider.
i never knew that life could be so difficult, that i would be told no so many times. it leaves me self-critical, confused, unsure and disappointed. So finding peace of mind …is nearly impossible when those things that i know other people take for granted as basic..family, love and commitment just arent available to me.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, I am finding it difficult to write answers easily..what i think seems to change all the time. I feel i dont know what i think and then its clear. And it is still very much a rocky road.. i wonder when it will ever end for me, things have been so difficult lately. I have a work situation where i have done my best, i got results from my end but it feels like it will fall through. This happened to me before in a spectacular way..so im scared…its almost like the stars just dont want to let me have any success in life.
Yes my mom was a jealous person and wanted to be in control of everyone. I dont think they said we were luckier, it was implied of course. My parents bought things for us in a seemingly generous way but there were conditions..those things never felt like mine but i suffered guilt of being so lucky as others thought i was. My sister got out and away as often as possible and would have big fights with my mom if not, she now lives at a very safe distance and left me with the hard work! If there are issues she shuts down and disappears, i have always been opposite and faced things head on, needing answers but to my own detriment. I remember very well, as a young teenager sitting for hours talking with my mom about her problems, how she hated where she was etc.and me trying to council her as though i could do it. It was so draining, she is very judgemental and negative.
In any case now im older i see some unpleasantness about how she would interact. She supposedly wanted us to do well but when we did we were torn down, there must be a problem somewhere. She would act jealously. I see now, how messed up that is..
I generally feel let down by both my ex and my mom, as i see them as similar people who act selfishly. Their own behaviour ends up hurting themselves…they dont see that at all, they have no vision of the bigger picture and how it will affect people. its almost like they are compelled to make the mean comment, do the mean thing..but they do regret it later.
Last night i was thinking of how confidently his new gf said i was too young for him. I was watching a film called 20th Century Women which contradicts the premise of age.with a familiar line, “age is a bourgeois construct”. There may have been 11 years between me and my ex but he was the younger one in the most sense. To say i was too young for him is to be blind and determined to change him. He is really in every way, a young man…except in looks. I remember him getting his skateboard and going down the road a couple of years ago..he only realised he shouldnt do it because he fell off. He surfs and hangs out with younger guys..this is also his life spirit and what makes him happy. I cant believe that he would now want the opposite. he told me many times that he didnt like women his own age because of their mindset.
if we were constrained by our concept of age then nothing amazing would happen. And France would probably not have a new president.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, i have attempted several times to write back, but couldnt decide on what i would say, too many different things in my head.
I am aware that a negative though pattern and habit can have such a bad effect on my life. I certainly seem to think in negative patterns but am not so aware of it until others tell me. I am not sure how it came about really but i suppose you could assume it stemmed from my parents patterns..my mother was always discontented with what she had & created a belief that us women were oppressed so i was raised in a feminist but conformist way. Feminist because of the beliefs she had but conformist because no change was made in her life to alter that. This could, you would say, raise feelings of frustration..that the world is not made for you.
I dont know. On the one hand i feel that i have never wanted too much for myself, just enough. When i was younger, i remember i often had girlfriends who were jealous of me, they wanted so much..i would sabotage my own successes and fortune to try and make them feel better. This of course did not work, temporarily they would be happy, then something else would crop up. I never learnt how to assert myself in a good way. This may seem strange, but sometimes i felt my boyfriend was jealous of me in the same way. He felt the need to put me down..to make himself feel better, i felt i was strong enough not to be affected by it.
I have also seen wealthy people´s lives. I had a boyfriend who was a trustfund child and although he made sure he had a job and paid his way i think he struggled with feeling he was an authentic person. All of the older wealthy people he was around seemed so jaded and resentful. he was always upbeat and light but hid a lot of sadness inside..I was attracted to his positive nature and the same was true for my ex, both had domineering, larger than life fathers. My ex boyfriend´s best friend also had never had a job in his life. There was mental illness in his family and he was committed after a few scary episodes..i saw one of them and i have to say i was scared for my life, he was unrecognizable. now he has to take heavy medication on a permanent basis which has altered his character. I dont believe he was ever satisfied in his life. So, yeah..money isnt everything.
Even just in the way that i will tell you sad stuff is annoying, why can i not look at things in a positive way? I see how that is draining to others.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, thank you again for your help, again you give me some good and rational points. I sat and cried reading it. I just cant seem to come to that conclusion by myself. Ive rewritten this many times..my emotions have gone through everything, these days i can only expect more of the same. i cant get a handle on it.
Thing is that i have had some great support from friends, in particular trying to help me get out at weekends but they cant always be there and i need to meet more people. Reaching out to people is hard for me I feel unsure of myself, like my ex said..im a very private person and an introvert..he said I became so cut off at the end, and I know that’s true..i told him that we should have talked it out.
i miss his company so much. I just know from experience how bad it can be alone..even for him, a social extrovert..he said he couldn’t stand it..thats after he said he would probably be alone for a long time!
People generally arent too easy for me to get to know, im not a natural..i end up standing alone quite often.
She has convinced him that he is too old for me. She said it to me in that kind of pitying, condescending way. and he had also asked me if i thought he was too old, did i really want to sit with him when he was 70.
It makes me feel bad, i said no, i never saw him the way he sees himself and she has obviously played on his doubts.
We were together 4 years. his gf before me was the same age as me and he was with her for 7 years..this woman is just 5 or 6 years younger than him. I hate the rationalisation of that’s why it doesn’t work..its not the age, its how he behaves!!
Meeting someone is going to be so hard. I dont feel ready for it and i dont know where to start having fun when i dont have an outgoing personality.During the time i was with him i NEVER was attracted to anyone else so i am not that easygoing. I must have met him by total fluke because I remember I was really unhappy back then. So i wasnt giving out any vibes that i was aware of, i remember thinking i had given up..i met him at work, it was a social event! can you imagine the torture it was for me to do that work?
I have tried new things, been out a few times with friends, walked all over the place, taken boring aimless journeys alone..but i dont go out enough. My friends are occupied with kids and other stuff they have going. Im really hung up on not having kids too..it suddenly became clear to me that this might have been the last chance I got. I really wanted it all with him but he didnt.
Ive been concerned with money now im alone. I need another job but have not found anything so far, several other things are not coming through for me..it all mounts up.
In contrast, my ex told me not to worry about him because he made a lot of money last year, he bought himself a new car..i dont know why he felt the need to shove it in my face, since i certainly supported him getting there. i told him it was unkind to say it. And interestingly his girlfriend said he was worried about me …so why does he criticise me so much to my face? Since he was making all these stabs..i inadvertently returned the favor and said something unkind about the car..i could see he was hurt by it because it hit home about something someone else had also said..i felt regretful and also just a bit of ‘yeah, you deserved that’.
I know its about making steps forward, i guess i feel i made some and nothing happened, no new connections and no excitement..there is no miracle cure for me im just one girl of many, he had parties to go to, lots of invitations and met her within weeks and she was also outgoing and jumped as soon as she got the chance… i feel im waiting…for them to break up?
But the worst is just that i cant STOP. I think one thing and lay it to rest, but 1 hr later i think ill just text him this..he is sick of it and i am sick of myself. Its not that often, i left him alone for 2 months and only recently got in touch..but he doesnt reply and it makes me crazy. I guess because he didnt give me the answers i wanted i thought i could get them from her…i did, but i regret going now because i was emotional and she looked triumphant which made me feel worse..you said ‘ wow, youre beautiful!’ yeah, thanks but all the guys end up thinking they are somehow not good enough for me? how did i make them feel that? He told me it was good that she on the other hand has had lots of relationships..he said it means she is generous!!
this is my freakshow but not of my choice 🙁
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for your continued support at this time. It is hard for me to accept what i have in life, i am so angry about so many things. My friends talk about their kids problems, i see young families all the time, couples on holiday, they are so normal and natural, they dont seem to be challenged by life…i wonder what purpose i have to be wandering around so out of sync.
I think i wanted something to visualise in my head that is peaceful and nice, wildflowers and ocean, i live in an area with both so its a good spiritual name. Small things count and sometimes you have to unwittingly put them in your path everyday to make things better, thus a reminder of a nicer place.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
It feels like that writing about this doesnt help. I just reveal more problems.
I have had more hardships lately and it feels constantly and more so that i am being tortured by life. Dramatic maybe but i just can´t get a break from it. When i try to help myself i am beaten down. I am now frightened to choose a direction it is that bad.
It has made me feel venomous towards my ex. i felt like threatening him, i felt like hurting him. he dumped me in this, he left me and said i should feel sorry for his current girlfriend because “she had been through so much”. Who chooses someone as a life partner out of pity? and then i remember, i asked him to be my boyfriend to protect me from other advances…it was the same, he never had to try and never would bother. He often gave more to a stranger than he did to his own family.. some say that is a Gemini trait. I am still struggling to forgive!
I certainly don´t see my parents relationship as ideal, but i know they do. They see our modern relationships as doomed from the start because of so many factors and every failed relationship cements the doom further. No, i don´t want what they have.
I just want to feel comfortable being alone but i experience it as a frightening and humiliating experience, i guess the tension must be on my face all the time.
wildoceanflowerParticipantDear Anita,
I think most people have some issue with their parents. The problem is when you have not been able to fully be yourself and like yourself and enjoy success as an adult. I have never felt it. I have struggled financially, socially all the way and relationships have come and gone..i suppose, because those men eventually wanted me to be stronger than i was, less emotional, take care of them and i couldnt. I always had the sneaking feeling that they didnt really like me, i used to say it to my previous ex ” you don´t like me, you like the idea of me” I guess after 2 or more years they work out im a lot more dull than they thought..it was one of the things my ex accused me of. On the other hand my intense sense of loyalty sometimes overrides all other feelings and things had not been good for a long time. I wasnt happy either, but I just wanted to try more, i never imagined breaking up..he couldnt be bothered because he saw something else. What a modern situation..there is no reason for a guy to stay if he gets bored…even if there are kids they move on because they see something shiny across the street, regardless. Its why i dont have kids in the first place, i wanted someone committed..and never found one.
My mother´s life works for her, in a vaccum..with just her and my dad they are fine, they can do everything together and not feel its too much time together. There is no way i could imagine them divorcing. I don´t think other couples find them normal though, they seem fairly obnoxious sometimes it grates…this is an ideal of relationship that me and my sister will never obtain (or want to) and we are made to feel bad because of it. My ex needed some time to himself, with his friends every now and then..and that was ok with me…my parents found it strange..and suspect, because they dont go on holiday without each other. But the more i looked around the more i thought, they are the exception here, not the other way round.
For me, i don´t choose rich or poor living. …but just ok, safe, warm, enough to eat, friends…and enough love. I have enough life experience to tell me that many rich people are lonely, distrustful and taken advantage of, poor people are happier in general but also a closed knit that keep each other in place or down…being in the middle is true freedom, especially for women, just not wanting for things but not needing a fancy car or big mansion. Love isnt the answer to everything, balance is.
Its such a hard thing to find that most people only get to savour moments of it. I really feel like ive had my best now, this was my last chance and it fell apart like the others did. Maybe it was my fault, maybe women are actually meant to make everything ok and i failed at it. so the starsigns give me some small fantasy hope but really i know, there is no fairytale,..he´s not going to come running back and say he´s sorry and we were meant to be and bring me a bunch of roses. I guess its not for me. I know a lot of women get it and get doted on but i dont.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
I didnt really want it to be a mother issue but it seems typical. i realised some time ago that my ex and her shared some very similar good and bad traits. For some, putting up with his negative comments would have been unacceptable, the way he would twist something against me…but to me i just laughed it off and i realise my self respect sensors are all wrong, i didnt react the right way because i didnt understand where it was going..perhaps because of my upbringing.
My mom is always turning things to be about her, i reckon that shows some narcissism..and i have read a few posts and webpages about it which all clicks. Its very manipulative..not obvious at first to others but relentless undermining my choices and decisions. She wont stand being told and she has rarely apologised. If she does..she will find something else to get mad about with you. Both her AND my ex have a longstanding fued with a sister and wont talk to them. Ive tried to get both to snap out but its impossible. Both feel and say that OTHER people are controlling them rather than the obvious reality.
She is protected by my father, because they are of a different generation where men do a lot more for their wife but my dad is overly so..he does most of the chores and handles everything. My dad was never close with us kids…quite the opposite but he dotes on my mom which can be quite nauseating. I think they work well together but he has to put up with a lot of criticism and i dont think it is such a healthy relationship.
Could i handle being poorer? I don’t think so. Money does matter. I am used to a certain life level but i dont want to be rich, i want to be able to afford a holiday now and then and buy good food. Right now i am worried i wont make it to the end of the month, that is a horrible reality for a lot of people and i dont even have kids, i cant afford them!
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
I think i mean blocking people’s bad energy..i seem to get tangled up in other people’s mess and before i know it, i get blamed for the fallout. I wish there was a way i could just take a break but enjoy the time out without feeling lonely.
I still feel panicky and start crying when i think about what i have lost. I have of course thought about contacting my ex. but im too afraid he will tell me he is really happy in his new life.
Starsigns can be a comfort, of course i have been turning to them for some answers. It has something if you choose to believe it. Both positive and negative factors are there but there were quite a few that resonated with what was happening. I just want to believe that my life can be ok, im not hoping to be a millionaire or to have a better car than anyone..i just want to be ok.
It seems like i am looking in every direction and dropping the ball all the time, getting things wrong repeatedly. It is so frustrating.
Does this sound like narcissism to you? i feel like my mom gets jealous of the attention on me when things are down..then gets nasty and picks on me. She seems competitive with me and my sister and has never fully accepted the boyfriends we had..there always “must” be something wrong. She expects the worst and often puts a strain on the relationship through her manipulation. Alternatively maybe she feels i am not recovering quickly enough and her defense is to kick me for how helpless she feels about my situation? whatever it is, she made it much worse!
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
you have to wonder what will happen next right? what a mess my life is, my head is in total turmoil again so i know it sounds garbled.
I feel i must stay really still not to upset the universe since everything i do is turning it upside down. I was turning to the starsigns for help, mine said stay patient and dont react to people’s bad temper…well i did.
Talking of starsigns…a fair few of them all said a relationship from my past would come back around…it has left me now in a limbo of hope, i am struggling enormously with coming to terms and forgiving..as i said that build up of anxiety..i want to be able to forgive…and not cry!
I have lived alone before and i do now, i don’t thrive on it though, i feel isolated and lonely. If things didnt go so wrong all the time i wouldn’t be falling back on my parents for help. I need to find additional work or a different job, i guess that is the 3rd option. but taking the step is difficult..i am worried its the wrong one. I guess i need to sit still for awhile.
Moving away is not possible in the immediate future but dependant on work options available to me. As i said before, i dont have much trust or faith that i can do better. I need to heal first and stop being hit emotionally all the time. If it means blocking everyone out then thats what i have to do.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Mia and Anita,
Thank you, yes it does seem like i have low self esteem, or maybe its just bad things happening. I have my faults and perhaps blinkered vision is one of them. No one can force things to happen if they werent meant to be..i guess i have trouble with that. You start to wonder if anything will ever work out. I get my hopes up, i trust in things and then it comes crashing down and its a terrible disappointment and i find it hard to get up again. My ex had behaviours that are very similar to my mother who is the stronger personality in our family but who is also bullying, i think you learn patterns of behaviour that you are comfortable and familiar with..that is hard to break. I dont like faint men, neither do i like arguing all the time but both with family, in my job and in my old relationship i was compromising and being the smoothing agent all the time. its what i am used to but i am tired, because i never get what i want really. There is always a louder voice than mine.
I really don’t know that i can move just now. I don’t feel strong enough to do that alone. Ok so i live in a place which is for tourists in summer..the casual freedom of all these people looking for fun means there are also a few guys who are always flirting. I should learn not to be so serious but trusting someone will be difficult. But for me it was not so easy in the first place to go out and enjoy myself…which is what broke the relationship in the end.
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