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Murtaza
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Did you feel good, do you still feel good about that?

Yes, everytime i think of how alone i am, a voice tells me “what about anita” “what about your sister” this might sound small to you, but its big to me, i can explain further but i will end it here.

 

A person  can be a victims of crimes and not take on the persona of victim, not ‘be’ a victim

See, you didn’t read my post, you only read “i am a victim” and nothing further, if you go above i explained why i don’t feel like a victim but i am indeed a victim, just like my mother was a victim and my father is a victim

 

When I read through your posts I hear a person who’s life philosophy is rooted in ‘being’ a victim

Because thats all you see, thats the simple explanation, you don’t want to read the long in depth explanation, you want me to be a victim so give a good simple answer to my problem.

 

This is why i hate labels, because you can’t see behind the label of victim, you think this is a bad word, you can’t see the truth behind the definition of this bad that you have in your mind.

 

From such a perspective we are all victims of circumstances. So what?

And we are indeed, its just for some of us, those circumstances didn’t produce a person like me, the proof is most people are not like me.

 

How it is that so many rape victims transcend the experience?

Because they had the desire to change, they had the motivation to do so, the goal.

 

You compare a whole life of being fucked up to a single bad experience?

 

Not to say this bad experience won’t effect you that bad, but you miss my point, which it was (if the rape side effects were a lifetime thing, would you dare say to the person you are not a victim of that rape?)

 

Is he or is he not a rape victim? Leave the victim mentality aside, when you ask him why he is about to suicide, and he tells you because life is shit, when you ask him why life is shit, he might tell you he was raped and ever since the side effects were unliveable with, how is this his fault? Is he not a victim of that side effects of the rape? Why should he live with such side effects? One of the side effects is apathy, strong apathy, that won’t let him care about his life, please tell me you get it.

 

Your making a huge assumption that everyone with the same life experiences as you would come to the same conclusions as you.

Not only experience, genes and environment, he has to have the same dealt hand, kinda the same environment, but i honestly don’t care about what he had, i only care about the result of him, if he had similar experience and genes and environment yet he didn’t ended up like me, i would either think its impossible, or that he had different genes and mindest.

 

Unlike other people, i believe the self/mind/consciousness, isn’t something earned, all of these are things that are giving to you, one good proof, do you think Schopenhauer would become the Schopenhauer if you changed his life a bit? Added a good loving family? He was created to be Schopenhauer, his views and pholishopy was  effected by his life and past.

 

In a fair world is he not a victim of that passmstic mindset? That lead him to be alone most of his life, He didn’t choose it in the end.

 

You also assume that only such a person could possible ‘understand’ and know you

You forgot “you also assume WITH EVIDENCE”

 

Would a normal person accept a person who says that he is going to kill himself? Or the value that “all lives matters (for no reason but our own)” would kick in, and start to speak instead of him, his logic and mind.

 

This is a very limited definition of the word ‘understanding’ and “understood”.

How many people are ok if you provide them a full and well established argument to why death is the only way to help someone?

 

I will bet 90% would say no, not because of argument flaw, but because they were told that life actually matters, and they actually have no proof of this claim.

 

It not uncommon to work against ones ‘good’.

I disagree, biologically we are meant to seek our good and what benefits us, most of healthy minded people do, unless you really hate yourself or were programmed to please people instead of your own.

 

My pholishopy has its negative sides, but the positive are far more, if you disagree provide evidence, i was a people pleaser, care too much about what other do, can’t do anything out of fear of being judge, so many things that i fix with apathy and my pholishopy.

 

that I’m projecting my need that change is possible onto your posts.

Why? Why you feel the need to project your truth? Can’t you just give me a one that i can accept in my world view? Or objective one (if that’s ever possible)

 

I will do that for you,

1-humans has needs, if he won’t get those, he become miserable

 

2- knowing that, this human will never get his needs, doesn’t matter why

 

3- that human gonna live miserablly for his whole life.

 

Objectively, he should noy live.

 

If you have any problem with any of these point, say why.

 

I imagine a person that lives as if dead would live fearlessly with nothing to lose yet I am full of fears

This is where you project, you think that i am full of fears and a has a victim mentality.

 

The thing is, i have no fear, not one that makes me not wanna do anything, i only have disgust,  i have nothing to lose, i do anything that i want to, the thing is.. i don’t want anything, i don’t want to pay any price that i don’t want to pay.

 

My problem isn’t fear, it is lack of motivation, lack of goodness in the world, lack of order, lack of beauty, everything is so boring and dull, everything is so exhausting and not worth my time or effort, where is the victim mentality? Where is the fear?