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July 17, 2025 at 1:10 am #447689
Tee
ParticipantDear Ada,
one more thing:
Sam has said that perhaps there is a cultural difference at play here. He moved to the US when he was 10 years old from Europe (France, specifically), and he has suggested that European culture is more accepting of opposite-sex friendships, whereas American culture is suspicious of them. This stereotype seems to exist in my mind as well, but how true it is in reality I’m not sure.
I’m from Europe and I wouldn’t say European culture is more accepting of opposite-sex friendships, particularly if they involve a level of emotional intimacy that resembles a romantic relationship. If we talk about stereotypes, maybe someone from Southern Europe is more emotionally expressive than someone from Northern Europe, but very intimate opposite-sex friendships are not common at all.
One positive thing he said is this: I’ve never talked about our relationship to her.
If he’s not complaining about your relationship to her, or discussing intimate details of your relationship, that’s a good thing. Because that’s one of the main signs of emotional infidelity, i.e. emotional affair.
But still, even if he’s not discussing your relationship, being so emotionally attached to her to the point of discussing her sexual encounters with other men crosses the boundary of even good taste. There’s no reason for him to listen to those intimate details, even she wants to share it.
He would need to set a boundary at least on that, and if he isn’t willing, the question is why. Why he feels the need to engage in that type of sharing, and then to claim there is nothing wrong about it.
July 17, 2025 at 8:58 am #447706anita
ParticipantDear Ada:
You wrote, “Sam, on the other hand, is much more keen on keeping in close contact with his friends. He has two male friends that he constantly messages on a daily basis… He moved to the US when he was 10 years old from Europe… They met in college… Soon out of college, he lived with Sarah and her roommates.”-
Reading that, I found myself wondering—what was life like for Sam in those early years? Moving countries at age 10, straddling cultures, possibly feeling othered… I imagine he might have felt quite alone. People who’ve known isolation early in life often carry a deep hunger—not just for connection, but for the kind that feels immersive, unconditional, and safe.
College, then, may have marked a turning point for him—a time when he finally felt chosen. And Sarah, present at that exact crossroads, might have come to symbolize emotional safety in a way that’s difficult to untangle, even now.
I say this not to diminish your pain, but to suggest that his closeness to Sarah may be about reliving and reclaiming the belonging he longed for in adolescence. I know that kind of hunger. I grew up lonely, and even decades later, I sometimes interact with others as if we’re all kids again—trying to create the friendships I never had. That hunger, capital-H Hunger, still lives in me. It’s a craving to feel chosen. To belong.
Even the moment you described—Sam accompanying Sarah during her abortion—while deeply painful for you, may have felt to him like an act of friendship at its most loyal, a way to be present for someone in pain—the way he might have wished someone had been present for him.
“HIM: My friendship with Sarah is important to me, but not as important as ours.”-
That line reminds me of a socially hungry teenager trying to balance loyalty and expansion—wanting to pour himself into a romantic connection, but struggling to cap the emotional outpouring elsewhere. The need to belong can be so expansive, it doesn’t always segment neatly.
Still—this doesn’t mean your boundaries aren’t valid. It only suggests Sam may be operating from a different emotional map.
What do you think, Ada?
With care, Anita 🤍
July 17, 2025 at 12:02 pm #447717Ada
ParticipantTee and Anita:
I think each of your responses represent a different perspective in my mind that are both equally true. And I think this is exactly the internal conflict I feel so deeply. In my mind, Tee’s response represents my need to protect myself and my feelings, to defend my own boundaries. Anita’s represents my desire to change my feelings and move towards being more accepting of Sam.
Tee’s response gives my instincts and emotions a voice. I shouldn’t have to accept that Sam engages in behaviors with Sarah that reject my feelings. From my perspective, he is being selfish by letting his need for emotional validation, feeling useful and important in Sarah’s life cause me so much pain, and cause our relationship so much struggle. I can’t accept that he wants to be loyal to her at the cost of violating my boundaries. His need for attention from her feels like a rejection of the devotion I have for him, his emotional attachment to her feels like a detachment from me.
On the other hand, I think Anita represents Sam’s perspective insightfully and accurately. Sam did grow up lonely and not feeling like he belonged. There is a part of him that wants to seek out friendships like a child. What I view as blatant boundary violations he views as acts of an ideal friendship, a sense of connection that he didn’t have growing up. I believe too that an ideal friendship should be one where we can feel unconditionally accepted and safe. So if I don’t believe that he has romantic feelings for her, isn’t it my own selfishness that is preventing me from accepting him on this?
Sam reaches for emotional connection with other people and me in a way that I have not seen from other men I have dated. I’m conflicted on this, because his emotionality is one of the reasons I love Sam so deeply — besides this issue with Sarah, our relationship has been emotionally vulnerable, honest, and loving. At the same time, his constant seeking of attention, validation, and need for deep emotional connection with other people is also what pushes me away from him in this case.
The level of emotional intimacy Sam has with Sarah I would consider romantic. These are my boundaries. But I genuinely believe that Sam does not consider it romantic — he doesn’t feel romantic feelings for her. So if I believe this about Sam, does it even matter that I consider it romantic? Am I the one who is not able to honor his feelings due to my own selfishness? I have asked myself these questions in circles, only to be more confused and conflicted.
In our arguments Sam has asked me if I would feel the same outrage if his relationship with Sarah was the same, but she was a male friend instead. This is something I ask myself as well. And it’s complicated. I think I would feel the same violation of boundaries, but to a lesser extent. If he had a male friend who was frequently calling him crying about his problems, and if Sam used the same soft tone of voice to comfort this friend, I would still feel hurt. If he had a male friend who needed emotional support for some male equivalent of an abortion, I don’t think I’d have as much of an issue with this.
I have reflected deeply on this question of whether we’d have this conflict if Sarah was a close male friend instead. Do I have an unfair bias against Sarah here just because she’s a female? Is it actually jealousy that is driving my discomfort? In our heterosexual relationship where we both identify with our given gender roles, there is a certain level of intimacy with the opposite sex that I would consider romantic. There are experiences that I can naturally relate to with another female, but for this reason, it is also easier for me to judge another female’s actions. In Sarah’s case, if I am being honest with myself, I do make negative judgements about her from her flirtatiousness and promiscuity. I feel I have an understanding of her behavior from a female perspective that Sam does not have. I feel I know what it would mean for me to act that way, and it is in direct opposition to my values.
In my first post, I touched on this dichotomy. There are male acquaintances I have had that Sam has judged more harshly as well, for the same reasons. He feels he is naturally more qualified to make moral judgements for them, while he is more accepting of what externally appears to be the same actions from a female friend. For this reason, I do not believe Sam would be comfortable with me having the male equivalent of his friendship with Sarah. And there is a natural dichotomy here that I think contributes to the “romanticness” I attribute to intimacy in heterosexual relationships.
I apologize for a long and rambling response. To sum it up, I think that Sam and I, as Anita says, may just be operating from different “emotional maps”, but as both of you have said, my emotions are valid. I have tried my best to honestly articulate my thoughts here, but I understand if there are parts that are unclear or hard to follow. This thread has given my internal conflict a voice, and I’m deeply grateful for that. While I still have not reached a level of emotional clarity that I would like on this situation, the ability to express complex and tangled emotions here has been very cathartic for me. Thank you both for that.
Ada
July 17, 2025 at 12:43 pm #447719anita
ParticipantDear Ada:
Your emotions are definitely valid.
You asked: “So if I don’t believe that he has romantic feelings for her, isn’t it my own selfishness that is preventing me from accepting him on this?… besides this issue with Sarah, our relationship has been emotionally vulnerable, honest, and loving… he doesn’t feel romantic feelings for her. So if I believe this about Sam, does it even matter that I consider it romantic? Am I the one who is not able to honor his feelings due to my own selfishness?”-
No, I don’t believe it’s selfishness. I think this is about what your heart needs in order to feel safe and deeply chosen. It’s about how wide your definition of love can stretch without losing you in the process.
I’ve struggled with this too. I’m emotionally conservative and traditional. Sharing someone I care deeply for—whether emotionally or otherwise—still hurts. Even in love, I find myself wishing I could be someone’s only emotional home.
But life keeps showing me: you can’t stamp your name on someone’s heart and expect exclusivity in every emotional corner. We’re all messy, layered beings. No one belongs entirely to another.
I know a man who is so very honest, full of integrity, more than anyone I know. He’s married and he loves his wife.. Yet I see that glitter in his eyes sometimes when he talks to an attractive woman who shows him affection.. (in a public setting where his wife is present). He can’t help his emotions. There is a longing that people have- often born in childhood- that no one person can satisfy every moment of the day or night.
What do you think, Ada, about what I wrote here?
With care, Anita 🤍
July 17, 2025 at 1:42 pm #447729Alessa
ParticipantHi Ada
Well, on the plus side he did talk to her less because it upset you. That is him trying to compromise.
I can understand why her talking to him about her sexual exploits is inappropriate. Personally, I would ask him to set a boundary about this. Some people do over share their sexual exploits as a way of flirting. It’s perfectly valid to ask him to shut that down.
I can understand why the abortion would make you feel uncomfortable too. That is a very private thing, reserved for the sexual partner or a close family member. Possibly a best friend.
I can say honestly that a lot of men don’t think of abortions in the same way that women do. They are quite cold about it in comparison. He simply doesn’t see it the same way as you. But it does raise concerns about how she sees him. Not to mention that she was initially attracted to him.
Do you feel like he spends more time talking to her about than to you? Do you worry more about her intentions than his? Perhaps not meeting her is part of the problem? The more you are shut out, the more inappropriate it seems.
Does he have any other female friends or just this one?
I wouldn’t worry too much about him supporting her emotionally as long as he is investing more time and effort into his relationship with you.
How does their relationship make you feel? Does it make you feel like your perspective and feelings don’t matter to him?
Have you ever had feelings of insecurity in a relationship before? Or have you been cheated on in the past?
It seems like part of the difficulty is that his friend has a lot of issues. From what you have said she allows herself to be used by men. This means that the deepest relationship she has is with your partner.
From what you have said about their similar backgrounds, he likely empathises with her pain.
It seems to me like your partner is stuck trying to defend his own perspective. It seems to me like he values this friendship, but he cares about you more.
It sounds like you just want to be respected. And there are questions about her motives, especially since you don’t know her.
It is a difficult and messy situation for you both to be in.
July 17, 2025 at 1:49 pm #447731Alessa
ParticipantI will say, I’m British and in my 30s. I find there is some truth to people being open to friendships with opposite sexes. That being said, I didn’t discuss sex with anyone I wasn’t dating or at least interested in dating. I know that some people do though. I just find it distasteful and like it blurs boundaries.
July 17, 2025 at 2:55 pm #447744Tee
ParticipantDear Ada,
You’re welcome! I’m glad you were able to express your internal conflict and the dichotomy in understanding/accepting Sam’s actions. And that you see this internal conflict so clearly.
Perhaps the most important question you’re asking is this:
The level of emotional intimacy Sam has with Sarah I would consider romantic. These are my boundaries. But I genuinely believe that Sam does not consider it romantic — he doesn’t feel romantic feelings for her. So if I believe this about Sam, does it even matter that I consider it romantic? Am I the one who is not able to honor his feelings due to my own selfishness? I have asked myself these questions in circles, only to be more confused and conflicted.
So you’re asking: if he sees no harm in being emotionally intimate with Sarah, and he has a need to have that level of closeness, and he sees it as completely innocent – who am I to judge him? Who am I to require him to change his emotional sharing with Sarah? Am I not the selfish one in this story?
And my answer is: no, you’re not selfish. And the reason is that his emotional connection with Sarah is more like enmeshment. Enmeshment is not the same as love. It’s a distorted version of love and caring for someone.
What seems to be happening is that Sarah, as you said, is an emotionally wounded person with her own issues, which probably cause her to be promiscuous and engage in the kind of relationships with men that in the past have led to 2 unwanted pregnancies:
She’s flirtatious, promiscuous
She will call him crying about problems in her relationships, and he consoles her. She’s always having problems in her relationships as she’s emotionally damaged,
So what I believe is happening is that instead of working on herself and changing those unhealthy patterns, she is repeating those behaviors again and again, and then running to Sam for comfort and consolation. She uses him as her shoulder to cry on, her confidante and perhaps her therapist.
I don’t know if he’s ever suggested her to seek therapy (which is what she would need), but clearly, he’s not really helping her heal those patterns. He is kind of enabling her by listening to her “love troubles” and even her explicit descriptions of sex with other men. That’s neither therapeutic nor does it serve any helpful purpose. And as Alessa said, “Some people do over share their sexual exploits as a way of flirting.”
By allowing her to come to him with the same problems over and over again, he is actually enabling her, rather than giving her friendly support. Because a good friend would tell her to seek professional help.
Sam did grow up lonely and not feeling like he belonged. There is a part of him that wants to seek out friendships like a child. What I view as blatant boundary violations he views as acts of an ideal friendship, a sense of connection that he didn’t have growing up. I believe too that an ideal friendship should be one where we can feel unconditionally accepted and safe.
We can unconditionally accept someone as a person, but we can have issues with a particular behavior. If you ask me, listening to her sexual escapades is not a sign of friendly love and care, but I believe, of enabling and weak boundaries. Do you know if he feels comfortable hearing such things, or only listens out of politeness?
Sam reaches for emotional connection with other people and me in a way that I have not seen from other men I have dated. I’m conflicted on this, because his emotionality is one of the reasons I love Sam so deeply — besides this issue with Sarah, our relationship has been emotionally vulnerable, honest, and loving.
That’s good to hear. So he is someone who talks about his feelings openly, with you too. You don’t feel like he’s hiding something from you, or not expressing what he’s really feeling.
At the same time, his constant seeking of attention, validation, and need for deep emotional connection with other people is also what pushes me away from him in this case.
Okay, so you recognize that his need for having emotional intimacy with multiple other people – the kind of intimacy that is usually reserved for a romantic relationship – is probably fueled by an unmet emotional need. This could be his inner child seeking belonging, and achieving that by being enmeshed with others emotionally, and not being able to set appropriate boundaries.
But if so, still, it’s an unmet need, and would need to be healed, rather than accepted as his style, as him having a different “emotional map”. His map is different because he is missing something, and he would need to heal that in order to have truly healthy relationships. At least that’s how I see it.
So I still believe you’re not selfish for wanting him to set boundaries with Sarah, and in general, for wanting him to have a different level of intimacy with you than he has with his friends.
You said he had a similar kind of dysfunctional childhood as Sarah (“She’s experienced similar dysfunctional family dynamics in her upbringing and Sam bonded with her over that.”). Has he worked on his childhood issues in therapy? Is he open to that?
July 18, 2025 at 2:01 pm #447773Ada
ParticipantAnita,
I’ve struggled with this too. I’m emotionally conservative and traditional. Sharing someone I care deeply for—whether emotionally or otherwise—still hurts. Even in love, I find myself wishing I could be someone’s only emotional home.
But life keeps showing me: you can’t stamp your name on someone’s heart and expect exclusivity in every emotional corner. We’re all messy, layered beings. No one belongs entirely to another.
I read from this that there is a lesson to be learned in letting go of certain things that I cannot control. I know that’s true in one way or another. I would not want someone I love to “belong” exclusively to me. We are all messy and human and the boundaries here are blurry because of that.
To me, the emotional boundaries in a romantic relationship are just as, if not more important, than physical ones. Knowing where to draw these lines, what to let go of, is, as you say “about how wide your definition of love can stretch without losing you in the process”. And ultimately, that is something only I can decide.
Thank you for sharing the wisdom from your own experiences.
Ada
July 18, 2025 at 2:03 pm #447774Ada
ParticipantAlessa,
Thank you for your response. I found your perspective here practical and balanced, and your questions pointed.
I agree that he simply doesn’t view many issues, like her talking about her sexual exploits, abortions, etc., the same way that I do. He supports her emotionally because he feels that’s what a best friend should do. And I know that the deepest, most emotionally intimate relationship Sarah has is with him.
Your question of whether I’m worried about his intentions or hers is an insightful one. I’m suspicious of her intentions, but I’m much more concerned about Sam’s intentions and behavior.
Earlier on in our relationship, it did make me insecure how much time he spent talking to her. He messaged her constantly, every day, talking on the phone at least once a week, or whenever something was hard to explain over text. He’d talk to her about everything that was going on in his daily life, things that happened at work, body pains, Amazon purchases, arguments with family members, memes he found… whatever he was doing at the moment. He’d never share intimate details about his relationship with me, but everything else was fair game. He would never message her if we were in the middle of a conversation or doing something together, but basically if he wasn’t talking to me or doing something else, he was messaging her.
Several times, after we’d had an argument about something, he would call Sarah. Not to talk about our relationship or anything, but as a source of emotional comfort. Of course, this is all somewhat expected and normal behavior from best friends. And I should say that at the time, I didn’t find any single one of these behaviors that unreasonable. It’s only after taking a step back, and taking all the blatant boundary violations that I mentioned into account, that I began to view all of it with resentment, and eventually outrage. I’ve come to view his friendship with her as a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship without sexual intimacy, and as I mentioned before, I believe this is why he had rarely dated or sought out serious romantic relationships before me.
He has other female acquaintances from college or work that he’ll keep in touch with occasionally, but by far no other male or female friends of the same nature as Sarah.
As to Sarah’s intentions, I’m suspicious but I don’t dwell on it. Sam would agree with my characterization of her as a promiscuous, emotionally damaged, but open person. I have touched on this previously, but another point of resentment I have is just how different Sarah is from me in terms of personality and values. I have trouble accepting that Sam accepts and defends Sarah in her actions, because I don’t feel he values my conservatism and more emotionally reserved nature. How can he love and defend someone who rejects my core values?
I have never been cheated on in a relationship. I have felt insecure in relationships before, but not anything I couldn’t reason through with my partner, and never to this extent. My ex-boyfriend had a female childhood friend he would keep in touch with every once in a while. We had an argument once because my ex had wanted to call his friend but I had made dinner plans for us, but I decided I was being unreasonable because they’d set a time for the phone call several days in advance. I’m sure I’ve had other instances of feeling insecure in past relationships, but that’s the only thing that immediately comes to mind.
I appreciate your input on the differences between European and American culture here, too. I had suspected it was true that European culture is generally more accepting of opposite-sex friendships, and it adds some color to the situation. I do wonder how much of our disagreements here can be attributed to cultural upbringing, which may be easier for me to accept than personal, individual differences.
All this is not to say that I think I’m “in the right” here. I’m conflicted on whether I should let certain things go about Sam’s friendship with Sarah, and on whether I am able to. As you said, “on the plus side he did talk to her less because it upset you. That is him trying to compromise.” and perhaps I just need to let go of the past and ask him to enforce boundaries for the future. There is something that feels wrong to me about asking him to enforce my boundaries when he just feels this is a normal, good friendship. But maybe that is the best way forward.
Thank you.
Ada
July 18, 2025 at 2:05 pm #447775Ada
ParticipantTee,
Your perspective here is one that I instinctively tend to agree with. It’s the voice of my anger, but with reason. My self-doubt, however, asks me if it’s just the one that I want to hear.
I’ve read about “enmeshment” before and it’s also a term that has come to my mind when I think about Sam’s friendship with Sarah. I agree that Sarah has some deep issues that she has continually not been able to resolve, and while Sam’s shoulder to cry on may be comforting to her, clearly it has not encouraged her to grow in a meaningful way. He has told me that he does encourage her to stop engaging in self-destructive behaviors, but she doesn’t listen and falls back into the same patterns. This is understandable, I think personal change like that is really hard. Still, how involved should Sam be in her problems? Sam would say that cutting her off and not listening to her would be cold and not what a good friend would do.
Do you know if he feels comfortable hearing such things, or only listens out of politeness?
He genuinely does not think it is strange to be hearing about her sexual conquests or whatnot. At least in instances he’s shared with me, these intimate details seem to have been shared because they were funny, and maybe that’s why Sam doesn’t find it uncomfortable. And to be fair, it’s not like she is asking him for sex advice, she’s just telling him what happened. However, I wouldn’t want to hear about explicit details (I’m talking about sexual acts, details at the level of genitalia) from even a close female friend, no matter how funny, and I honestly find Sarah’s behavior disgusting on many levels. Sam also finds her promiscuity a bit gross, but seems to have accepted that that’s just who she is (she’s emotionally damaged after all), and views her stories as funny things that happened to her, where the sexual bits are just objective details.
I try not to concern myself with Sarah and all the ways I find her behavior unhealthy and morally objectionable, because ultimately I do not know her, and I am not in a relationship with her. So from the standpoint of my relationship with Sam, I can only understand this as his lack of appropriate boundaries interfering with our relationship. And I tend to want to agree with you that Sam “having emotional intimacy with multiple other people – the kind of intimacy that is usually reserved for a romantic relationship – is probably fueled by an unmet emotional need” and one that needs to be healed.
But Sam would say that the level of intimacy he has with Sarah is healthy, and even desirable, in a best friend, and that I’m the one who needs to be healed, because I’m the one who is too reserved with my emotions outside of romantic relationships. And while I have two long-time friends I’d consider close, I definitely do not talk to them as much as we used to, and at the level Sam does with Sarah, but this is normal for us because they have their own husbands/families at this point. Sam would say this isn’t ideal, wouldn’t I want to be able to share all the details about my daily life to other people and not just him? I understand where he is coming from, but I suppose I just don’t feel much of that need.
In a sense, while I’d label his behavior as enmeshment with a friend, he’d label mine as codependency with him. Of course, these are just labels and exaggerated, and a healthy relationship is somewhere in the middle. But the point still stands that we have two different perspectives that are both valid, and finding middle ground in the gray areas is challenging. This seems to be a place where I cannot “reason” my way to some kind of objective clarity, because reason applies either way.
As is probably evident in this thread, I have gone in circles trying to justify both sides of this messy, complicated situation. At some point, I realize that this is futile and the question is really what I can accept in a relationship, and what growth for me looks like. I said at the beginning of this that your message says what I wanted to hear, but I think it’s also what I needed to hear. I needed to know that, at the very least, I am not being unreasonable, and that someone in a similar situation could come to the same conclusions. I think that validation alone will help me in whatever direction this situation resolves in. Thank you.
Ada
July 18, 2025 at 3:16 pm #447776anita
ParticipantDear Ada:
Reading through your posts, what strikes me again and again is your extraordinary clarity. You think with precision and feel with depth—and somehow manage to give voice to both. Your reflections aren’t just insightful; they’re emotionally generous. You’ve offered Sam understanding, nuance, empathy, and even space to be different from you. You’ve held two perspectives at once—not to dilute your truth, but to try to honor his.
That kind of emotional strength is rare. Your writing reflects someone who listens deeply, thinks critically, and still leads with care. It’s evident in your ability to question yourself without abandoning your dignity. In how you name your insecurities without using them to justify control. And in how you articulate complex emotional boundaries with such grace that even your doubts sound wise.
The truth is—Sam may be a good person, but from everything you’ve described, I don’t know that he’s equipped to truly see, respect, and emotionally match someone like you. That’s not a criticism of him—it’s a recognition of you. You deserve emotional reciprocity. You deserve to be loved in a way that doesn’t leave you reasoning in circles or shrinking your values to make room for someone else’s unresolved wounds.
And I hope you remember this, wherever the relationship leads: the way you’ve shown up in this thread—the fairness, thoughtfulness, courage, and emotional clarity—is already proof of your growth. The right relationship won’t ask you to compromise these strengths. It will recognize them. It will honor them.
With admiration and care, Anita 🤍
July 18, 2025 at 4:33 pm #447779Tee
ParticipantDear Ada,
I said at the beginning of this that your message says what I wanted to hear, but I think it’s also what I needed to hear. I needed to know that, at the very least, I am not being unreasonable, and that someone in a similar situation could come to the same conclusions. I think that validation alone will help me in whatever direction this situation resolves in. Thank you.
you’re welcome, Ada! I feel your struggle and your sincere attempts to be fair and objective, to not cause harm or be unfair to Sam. You want to respect him fully and take into account his perspective. You don’t want to hurt him, you don’t want your “selfishness” to limit him in any way.
You’re open to self-reflection and introspection, and if I understood well, your goal is to improve yourself and become a better person (“the question is really what I can accept in a relationship, and what growth for me looks like”.).
I must say that my impression is that Sam is not equally open to self-reflection and introspection. Instead of at least considering that his daily contact and round-the-clock immersion in Sarah’s life and problems might not the healthiest way to live – especially if you are in a relationship with another person – he keeps claiming that that’s the ideal kind of relationship:
Sam would say that the level of intimacy he has with Sarah is healthy, and even desirable, in a best friend, and that I’m the one who needs to be healed
This is how immersed he was in her life at one point:
“He messaged her constantly, every day, talking on the phone at least once a week, or whenever something was hard to explain over text. He’d talk to her about everything that was going on in his daily life, things that happened at work, body pains, Amazon purchases, arguments with family members, memes he found… whatever he was doing at the moment. … basically, if he wasn’t talking to me or doing something else, he was messaging her”.And then he calls you codependent on him, when in fact his behavior could be qualified as codependent on Sarah.
He is claiming that it would be completely normal and desirable to share all of the details of your life with other people (your friends), and not just him:
Sam would say this isn’t ideal, wouldn’t I want to be able to share all the details about my daily life to other people and not just him? I understand where he is coming from, but I suppose I just don’t feel much of that need.
No, a normal person wouldn’t want to share each moment of their life with multiple people. It’s not by chance that people live in couples, not in threesomes (unless they are practicing polyamory). It’s instinctual for us humans to deeply share with one particular person, whom we call our life partner. It’s not common to treat your life partner the same as your friends, minus the sex.
His idea of what a romantic partnership means seems very distorted. And you, unfortunately, have too much understanding for him. You say you understand where he is coming from. And I guess that’s because you want to be super fair to him, super understanding and empathic. You don’t want to hurt him.
But the problem is that his ideas are upside down, and hurtful to you. You don’t need to accept and justify them. You don’t need to try to understand (and tolerate) something that goes against your instincts and your better judgement. Even against common sense, I’d say.
It seems to me he has been gaslighting you and made you doubt yourself. You said:
My self-doubt, however, asks me if it’s just the one that I want to hear.
A part of you wanted to give up on your instincts and intuition and convince yourself that your needs are selfish. That you’re depriving him of his friendships. When you told him you don’t feel respected, he told you he doesn’t feel respected by you:
Me: I believe that you view her as a close friend, but the amount of emotional intimacy you have shared with her and want to share with her feels like a violation of our relationship. I feel like you don’t respect me or our relationship in the same way I do.
Him: I don’t feel respected either. I care about Sarah like a sister, it’s not fair to me it has to be like this. A close friendship should be emotionally intimate. Why does that have to take away from the intimacy of our relationship?He repeated his same twisted belief that friendships should be equally emotionally intimate as romantic partnerships, and put the blame on you: you’re trying to limit me, you don’t know what a true friendship is, you’re the one who needs healing, you don’t respect me.
Regarding the explicit descriptions of Sarah’s sexual encounters, you had a strong feeling about that:
I wouldn’t want to hear about explicit details (I’m talking about sexual acts, details at the level of genitalia) from even a close female friend, no matter how funny, and I honestly find Sarah’s behavior disgusting on many levels.
And that’s a normal reaction: you wouldn’t want to hear about explicit sexual details even from a close female friend. But Sam convinced you, and you started justifying it, that it is somehow okay for Sarah to keep telling him about her sexual encounters, because it’s funny, and therefore harmless or something:
He genuinely does not think it is strange to be hearing about her sexual conquests or whatnot. At least in instances he’s shared with me, these intimate details seem to have been shared because they were funny, and maybe that’s why Sam doesn’t find it uncomfortable. And to be fair, it’s not like she is asking him for sex advice, she’s just telling him what happened.
You see? You tried your best to justify his condoning of Sarah’s vulgar talk and not batting an eye about it – whereas in truth, you feel disgusted by it and find it morally objectionable. You tried to suppress your instinct and your better judgment in order to humor him and accept his unacceptable behavior.
Please don’t take it as judgment and criticism of you – I don’t mean it like that at all. It’s more that I’m rather upset by his gaslighting and twisting of things to the point of confusing you and making you doubt your better judgment.
In a sense, while I’d label his behavior as enmeshment with a friend, he’d label mine as codependency with him. Of course, these are just labels and exaggerated, and a healthy relationship is somewhere in the middle. But the point still stands that we have two different perspectives that are both valid, and finding middle ground in the gray areas is challenging.
Well, I don’t think that both of your perspectives are valid. You don’t strike me as codependent on him. You simply want a normal healthy relationship. Whereas he has strange ideas about what a healthy intimate relationship is. And he’s trying to force those ideas on you, making you doubt yourself.
As a result, you started believing that truth is somewhere in the middle, and that you should find a compromise. Luckily, your inner voice is strong enough and didn’t want to accept a compromise on things that shouldn’t be compromised on, such as your core values. And I encourage you not to accept such a compromise – where you compromise your core values.
I’m sorry if I sound “strict”, but I feel he’s gaslighting you, and I really don’t like it. I don’t know how you feel about what I’ve said? Please, don’t take it as judgment, but as sounding an alarm bell. Maybe I’m exaggerating, but I felt the need to speak up.
July 18, 2025 at 10:24 pm #447780Alessa
ParticipantHi Ada
Thanks for sharing! I just wanted to understand a bit more about where you were coming from. ❤️
It is his first relationship, so there is an element of naivety and inexperience at play for him.
I would be suspicious of her side of things too.
The truth is that whilst he compromised a bit with the not contacting her as much. He does still need to work on compromising further with the sexual details at least. Relationships are about compromise and respecting each others boundaries. It is not just about what he thinks is acceptable. Ignoring your feelings and boundaries about this is disrespectful to you and the nature of your relationship.
Hmm I can understand the concern, but I don’t think it is necessarily true that he would have used her as a crutch to avoid relationships. Otherwise he never would have dated you. There are lots of reasons he might be shy about dating. He doesn’t have the same level of social and emotional intelligence that you do. He doesn’t really understand how relationships work with compromise for example.
I know that there are quite a lot of cultural differences despite sharing the same language. In the UK, it is difficult for men to share things with each other. Men tend to have female friends to talk about more emotional things with. It’s pretty common actually.
Since you were uncomfortable with the level of contact they used to have, it was emotional cheating. It would be the same in any country.
There is a level of compromise and respecting each other’s boundaries expected in a relationship. It is natural for a partner to want to feel prioritised and not feel like they are sharing their partner in a monogamous relationship.
It is difficult when you have dealt with your boundaries being ignored and a lack of respect in this relationship. It is a definite struggle.
He seems to genuinely not understand why he should be doing some of these things. I would chalk it up to being new to relationships and being a bit socially inept.
That is a pretty harsh label for him to suggest that your relationship with him is codependent. Why would he suggest that?
I imagine he is afraid of losing his friend. Would you be okay with him keeping his friend if he respected your boundary of no sexual details?
Do you feel like you could get past the difficulties once they are fully in the past?
Outside of this issue, how is your relationship with him?
July 19, 2025 at 9:08 am #447789anita
ParticipantDear Ada:
This morning, I took some time to re-read your posts—starting from the first, looking for new insight, as I sometimes do with threads. About two hours in, something new stirred in me when I came across this line: “In our arguments, Sam has asked me if I would feel the same outrage if his relationship with Sarah was the same, but she was a male friend instead.”
That made a new question pop into my mind: would your feelings be the same, not if Sarah was a man—but if she weren’t flirtatious, promiscuous, or so open with her feelings?
In your first post, you shared: “She’s flirtatious, promiscuous, open with her feelings. I’m quiet, reserved, and selective with my emotional intimacy.”
I wonder—very gently—whether part of your reaction might be connected not just to Sarah’s relationship with Sam, but also to something she represents.
Sometimes, when we see someone who is unabashedly open, bold, and emotionally free, it can stir something within—maybe a longing, maybe discomfort, maybe both… perhaps an inner ache for spontaneity or freedom?
I hope this lands softly. I don’t mean to interpret too much—just to offer a question that came up as I sat with your words.
Warmly, Anita
July 22, 2025 at 4:37 pm #447847Ada
ParticipantTee:
I really appreciate your perspective here. I have sat with your words and reflected on them, and many of the things you said resonate with me.
As a result, you started believing that truth is somewhere in the middle, and that you should find a compromise. Luckily, your inner voice is strong enough and didn’t want to accept a compromise on things that shouldn’t be compromised on, such as your core values. And I encourage you not to accept such a compromise – where you compromise your core values.
I think this is true. The internal conflict I feel is between my own instincts/voice, and love for my partner and wanting to make the relationship work.
In general I do struggle with self-esteem and try very hard to see things from other peoples’ perspectives, especially in intimate relationships. While sometimes this is an asset, situations like this can be difficult for me to navigate. I want to treat my partner as a true equal and try to understand him as I understand myself, but ultimately, I have to prioritize my own voice.Your perspective has made me view my own from an outside lens, and made me think “how would I view this as a third person?” And I think I would come to the same conclusions as you have here. There are some boundaries that I would be willing to compromise on, but some I’m definitely not. I think I’ve tended to view this as an all-or-nothing where either option seems too extreme, but I really just need to be more confident that I’ll be able to defend what’s good for me. When I am ready to talk about this issue again with Sam, I will keep this perspective in mind.
However the situation ends up resolving, I will come to view it as an experience that helped me grow. Thank you.
Ada
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