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August 25, 2019 at 1:25 pm #309261AnonymousGuest
Dear Susy:
You felt that if you express how you feel, you will lose control, “no turning back”- I think you fear what a whole lot of us fear: the experience of our own emotions. Actually there is nothing anyone fear but this very thing: the experience of pain, physical, emotional.
It feels that this pain will be too great and we will fall apart, go crazy or die, irreversibly disintegrate into … dust and be blown in the wind. Is this what you mean?
If you were to express to this man how you feel, what will you tell him (you can practice here, relax best yu can and imagine you are talking to him… then type away whatever it is that comes to your mind and heart.
I will read and reply (when I am back to the computer, in a couple of hours or so)
anita
August 25, 2019 at 3:35 pm #309267SusyParticipantSomewhere along the road I told him, I never regret when I open up my heart to someone – and I’m not going to start it with him. But this is exactly what I did in, and started to freak out.
Anyways… it is really hard to just dig down and let out how I feel without overthinking…
“Thank you for coming and picking me up, it was a really nice day.
It is though true, that I did not feel completely like myself. I felt hurt and awkward around you, being just friends. I really like our conversations, I really appreciated, that you came home just to see me, I loved dating you. I just like the person who you are, and I loved my more emotional side you brought back to life. It very much became clear to me, that I don’t see us being friends for now.
It was great getting to know you, and I wish you all the best from my heart. Take care.”August 25, 2019 at 3:47 pm #309269AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
This is a very nice note, very diplomatic. But why be so nice and diplomatic, or political. Why bother. Such diplomacy would fit two nations coming together in peace, to prevent war. Diplomacy in that context makes a whole lot of sense. But in this context, no use for it.
I am not suggesting that you will be abusive towards him, expressing disrespect or that you create drama, being a drama queen, none of these things.
What I am suggesting is that you tell him honestly, authentically more of what you really feel. I would start with what you did start: “I felt hurt and awkward around you, being just friends” but I would continue with something like this (make it your words, of course, not mine): I really liked you, felt so close to you, we were intimate, it meant so much to me and I wanted more of it, with you, and then you tell me that you were naked with other woman. It hurt like hell!
What do you think?
anita
August 25, 2019 at 4:51 pm #309273SusyParticipantIt will make sense to you, that my parents are in fact diplomats 🙂 So I guess I have been taught to communicate this way. Thank you again for pointing it out so that I can see and understand.
“I felt hurt and awkward around you, being just friends. I liked you as a person, for who you really are. When you came to see me, I was so excited, yet it was so natural and easy being around you. We were intimate, it meant so much to me, and then you tell me that you almost had sex with another woman. To be honest, it hurt like hell! I wanted more of what we had, and then you started to pull away, and I felt more confused day by day. Yesterday you came to pick me up, and yet again, it felt like on the first day, my heartbeat in my throat… I was not like my usual self, because I feel disappointed. Sad. Hurt. “
August 25, 2019 at 5:17 pm #309277AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
Excellent draft, I hope you send it, except the “usual self” mention, I wouldn’t commit to a “usual self” if I was you. If I remember correctly (page 1) he used the term “usual self” didn’t he? If he did, no need to assume he knows your usual self or that there is such.
Yes, I would send him that one. It is you being true to yourself. I like that. If you send it to him, let me know his response, will you?
And post anytime.
(Your parents being diplomats, interesting. Diplomacy has its uses, in context. In a marriage, diplomacy-only makes a very dry, cold marriage, I imagine)
anita
August 26, 2019 at 12:41 am #309321SusyParticipantDear Anita,
Yes, I sent it, and got my closure from him. Here is the answer:
“I’m very sorry. I was hoping its not that. I was naive to think the friendship would work out.
I’m very sorry, but if there is something missing, you can’t force it. I’m sorry I hurt you so much
in such a short period.”August 26, 2019 at 6:16 am #309331PeggyParticipantHi Susy,
Just want to say I think that’s the best result for both of you.
Best wishes
Peggy
August 26, 2019 at 7:21 am #309345SusyParticipantDear Peggy,
I’ll do my best to believe that. For now I just go to no contact, and try to be reaaally busy with different stuff 🙂
One thing I loved about this man, how he evoked in me some long lost hobbies and interests… like writing, and painting.
I think I’ll go for shopping this week, need some new brushes and canvas 🙂August 26, 2019 at 8:46 am #309363AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
Did you notice that in his “I’m sorry I hurt you so much in such a short period”- there is criticism of you? He was saying something like: you are too sensitive, you shouldn’t have been hurt so quickly!?
anita
August 26, 2019 at 9:33 am #309371ValoraParticipantI seem to be in the minority here, but I really feel like if you would’ve given him just a little bit of time, he would’ve come back around. It was really nice of him to bring the mug and fruits to you and that showed that he genuinely cares about you and listens to you, especially since you only mentioned the fruit a week ago. Sometimes if something is missing, it’s because the person needs to figure something out about themselves. The piece missing is something inside of them that they’re trying to find in someone else, which might be why he wanted time to figure himself out before getting into a relationship, which, to me, is a smart thing to do.
I suppose, if it is meant to be, though, he will come back around and I think you should consider giving him a chance if he does (but ONLY if he has changed, is ready for commitment, and has completely cut contact with and has moved on from that ex). In the meantime, if being friends is way too difficult, I think you made the right decision to end the relationship altogether (friendship or otherwise). Sometimes keeping the emotional connection open can be beneficial as well… however, there is risk in doing that, as something really COULD be not quite right between the two of you and he may find a better fit in someone else, which would definitely leave you disappointed.
August 27, 2019 at 2:38 am #309421SusyParticipantDear Anita,
I think what he meant by that is he caused me so much trouble…
I feel maybe it is true what Valora suggested, I could have been more patient, but being around him was too much for me. No matter how much I liked the others at the party, I just wanted to get away.
I see he misses our chats, wanted to share photos of a fox he took yesterday, but instead of sending it directly to me, he posted it to the group chat where I’m too.
This is going to be hard.
August 27, 2019 at 2:46 am #309423SusyParticipantDear Valora,
You might be right, but I can’t change the past now. I should have known better no to involve emotionally when someone is still involved with his ex.
August 27, 2019 at 5:03 am #309427ValoraParticipantDear Susy,
It’s okay! I fully think everything happens for a good reason, no matter whether the thing that happens feels good or bad, and if anything this is a good learning experience for you! Definitely better to make sure people are over their exes before starting anything with them.
Hang in there, he very clearly cares for you and will most definitely miss you, so it may work out for you two either way. I just hope he’s able to find in himself whatever he’s missing, and then if you two do end up reconnecting, it’ll be off to a much better start that way!
August 27, 2019 at 6:57 am #309435PeggyParticipantHi Susy,
Good plan. Writing and painting are two therapeutic arts so keep doing what feels good. You know how you feel and ‘friends’ just wasn’t for you. Keep trusting your gut instincts.
Peggy
August 27, 2019 at 7:21 am #309437AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
I re-read your original post and I think that this guy that your thread is about is a very nice person, he does nice things like bringing you that mug and saying nice things but he is not an honest person. A nice person confuses people because.. he acts so nice, he says nice things… why of course, he must be a good person!
But it happens a whole lot that nice does not mean good or honest. You yourself suggested that he may have been acting during the visit with you when he stared at you “for hours and he was in tears when we had to say good bye”- the intensity of his expressed emotion didn’t fit what he told you later on, (paraphrased): I love you.. but I am missing something.. passion. I don’t feel enough passion for you.
But you saw that passion in him during his visit, so you commented, if he was faking it he deserves an Oscar.
After he told you that he didn’t feel enough passion for you, a few days later he told you that “he met his ex and they had a long talk and she initiated sex which ‘almost’ happened, but he was ‘physically incapable’.. and that he finally had his closure, but it also means he is not ready for a relationship like he wanted to”.
After he told you that he didn’t feel enough passion for you, it just so happened that he (accidently?) met his long-time married lover, and he didn’t initiate sex, so he claims, suggesting perhaps that he was .. in a relationship with you, sort of loyal to you.
But then, he tells you that he couldn’t perform sexually with her and that was his closure (How is that a closure???) – suggesting that he is now available for you, now that he had his closure.
But in the next sentence he tells you that his sexual incapability “also means he is not ready for a relationship like he wanted to”- what does it mean?
He talks from both sides of his mouth:
-when he told you that he lacks passion for you (suggesting it is a problem), he added “Maybe it is not a problem”.
-When he told you that he had closure with her (suggesting he is now available for you), he added that he is not ready for a relationship with you.
When you communicated to him how you feel Aug 25 or 26, his response: “I’m very sorry… I’m sorry I hurt you so much in such a short period”- is he suggesting that it would have been okay to hurt you in a long period? I don’t think that is what he meant, I think that he meant, more likely, that what you and him had was a short fling and that he didn’t mean much by it.
In summary: I think he is insincere, dishonest, double talking man who makes it a point to sound and appear nice.
anita
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