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July 25, 2014 at 11:22 pm #61778RahelParticipant
Please someone can post solution to my problem….
I was abused at the age of 6 by neighbour. I have been adamant from my childhood. I never use to understand what others use to say. I have been very emotionalto whatever people use to say..then my father got transferred to another place.At the age of 8 i was abused again..from that time onwards i use to get attached to guys soon.i was more comfortable with boys rather with girls.I have always lead life in which i was always depressed and lived in the fear of inferiority complex.people always made fun and avoided me stating that i am not good looking and short heighted, not good at anything.I was not like other children to let go off. i take evrything to the heart. I lacked love, patience, real friend….hence i have nevr loved myself and i dont what is love and how to love myself..even i ask anyone whats the definition they just make fun of me…i felt that i dont have good perseverance and grasping power like other children.
when i was small my father went a surgery and his pitutary glands were removed. he is very much old and traditional type of person.he was over protective and over secured.he didnt like minglinging with others and short tempered.never allowed me to grow as i want..eventhough theygave me good advice i cant take in positive sense rather i get frustrated bcoz i get hurted soon and i sit and cry..people say when we cry we get relief..i get relief for the moment again after few days i am the same.
people have always avoided and made fun of me among friend circle, public and in family..i have never been able to grow my interest or hobbies bcoz we always had financial problems. after my graduation…my parents got settled in the native.. i got job in networking in another state..there i had an affair with a guy, i had physical relation for three years, then he got married to someone else who was more beautiful, and better job than mine…i was shattered and broke myself. i always had adjustmental problem with people bcoz of my behaviourof getting emotional and hurt soon. when my boyfriend left many people approached me showing love and i fall for all of them.bcoz since my childhood i have been in search of love. so ihad sex with 5 people my life..i believe who ever smiles or shows or act to care for me and saythat they love me.
i resigned and joined my parents and started doing my masters in social work. i have always been straight forward..hence who ever ask me why i am sad, i say my entire story to everyone…but now i realise that we should not say everything to everyone. i need solution to my anger, frustration, my way of talking, dealing with people and of to love myself , my family and everyone around. now i am29 years and still have poor relation with my family. i have got half of my behaviour inherited from my father but i should understand and adjust accordingly..everyone who comes across my life has to suffer bcoz of me, my words and attitude of thinking and reacting.
after completing my masters my marriage was fixed(3 years back), that guy after few months stopped talking and calling sttaing that i am possessive and person of different attitude, not having a normal behaviour. again i was shattered. from that day onwards i use to cry for 6 months contnously. it took me 1 year to come out of the depression. from that time onwards i started realising that i have some problem and i cant lead a happy married life. when ever i get any proposals formarriage i always find some or other fault in the guy without thinking that even i am imperfect.. sometimes i am over happy, sometimes depressed. people always say that my talks are always age inappropriate and matured like others.
one day my mother said that i dont love myself that why i always have issues with people and dont have peace with me. if my less educated mother can identify this issue with me.. why cant i…i always think several things to change within me and keep on seeking solutioon with people but as soon as they advice, i start rebelling or giving rebuttals or start saying i have done this cant, not able to etc…i want to be like others, i just have my mother who with pain listens to my cry most of the days and tired of advicing me..becoz even after sharing my problems and crying, after few days again i get desp.. even though i want to change many i cant bcoz i am not conscious. from my childhood i have always been with a wavering mind and poor concentration. nothing is intact in memory or i am not able to take conscious effort bcoz i am not conscious while reacting, talking, maintaining body language, recating to situation, way of talking tone. I have tried many steps from internet. now i remember that i have to control but tomorrow when i wake up i dont remember anything, or anything about my problems and the things have to change.. at the age of 29, i am still searching for myself and want to give happiness to others. i am tatlkative person with good sense of humour but depends on mood. why i cant think and act.why i am unstatisfiedperson who doesnt even know her own worth.. i have tried writing my positive but still i am dull from inside.. i dont know how to let go off.. even if i forget.. when i get angry everything comes up..dont know to unlearn..i know the problems dont know how to deal with..or else my entire life i will have to lead a single lifw..please help.. u r my last solace..please and god will bless u….
pls someone do help me..i am ready to follow the instructions
July 26, 2014 at 2:34 am #61780ManoloParticipantHello,
I think all of us struggle with self love. I would suggest going to a therapist or counselor. If that is not an option, I will give you some tips that a counselor gave to me.
First, you need to look in the mirror every morning and say all these good things about yourself. Say things that are true, might be true, or you want them to be true. For example, you can look at yourself and say “I am intelligent. I have a master’s degree.” You can say “I am happy, beautiful, friendly” or anything else you think of. You must do this EVERY day (better in the morning) for at least 30 days. YOU CAN’T MISS ONE DAY. Every day for 30 days. Add new things each day, so you say more and more good things.
Second, you need to buy presents and treats for yourself. YOU ARE WORTH IT! Buy yourself anything you like, for example you can buy yourself a cake. Or flowers. Or a book. Buy little presents for yourself frequently.
These are some tips that I can give for you. Remember, not everyday is going to be a happy day, but you need to be optimistic and get through this. You’ll start to feel a difference on the inside and then you’ll know what love is. You cannot truly love someone, until you love yourself.
July 26, 2014 at 2:50 am #61781RahelParticipantthanking Manolo for showing the patience to read my problem. From the time i realised that I have difficulty in perceiving the advice given by people. I have tried approaching few counsellors and a psychiatrist.. Either they dont listen completely or start giving medicine which resulted in excess sleep and memory loss. Then i started telling to every people who across my life, just to get a solution. But i realize that its always harmful to tell everything to everyone.. At my place there are very less counsellors and i cant go to another state for counselling as it is not affordable and i might loose my job..
I am longing to change myself, but how far i have tried for that i am not sure.. Even if i try something i forget after few days.. dont know why i am conscious everytime. people say that i am not serious abt my issues that why i am not taking conscious effort. I lack consistency in evrything I do.. Being a psychiatric social worker I know that i have to just change the mindset.. But i will give try as u have said.. i just hope that after i start the process i dont forget or loose consistency.. I fu have any more advices please do u give..u r always welcomeJuly 26, 2014 at 4:31 am #61782The RuminantParticipantHello Rahel,
I’m sorry you’ve had to go through such abuse. It really is no wonder that a lot of your problems, in my opinion, look like the problems of a child who’s lost and scared. This is the first thing I’d like you to really think about: it’s not you who’s somehow inherited certain behaviour from a father and would be difficult or rebellious or too talkative by nature. The behaviour is just a response to a prolonged state of fear and stress. If you would feel safe, loved and seen, you would behave more like who you really are, a precious woman who’s like no other.
Because you don’t have much trust in yourself, you’re kind of like blowing in the wind, at the mercy of others, desperately wanting to be seen and heard. So of course you’re going to cling onto anyone who shows interest and you’ll take things personally that other people say or do. The reason you rebel against advice is that you take the advice as criticism towards who you are at your core.
Everyone needs to feel like they are loved and seen and heard. That is absolutely a very normal need. You’re also not the first person, nor the last, who would then slightly overreact when trying to fulfil that need. You, like many other people, are unfortunately working against yourself in this quest. Your fundamental belief is that you are not worthy of love and care, so regardless of what happens in reality, it doesn’t really connect with you, unless it is other people treating your poorly, which is when you get the validation to your belief that you aren’t beautiful enough or good enough in what ever ways that you’ve rationalised this lack of love. This is important: the fact that you feel unloved has nothing to do with your characteristics as a human being. Love is for everyone, and everyone is worthy of it.
One thing that I really think you should do is to find a place where you can meditate, a place of silence. Find ways to silence that chatter in your mind that is constantly narrating what you are feeling, and making things worse. As an example, you feel lonely, which is a perfectly normal and valid feeling. But instead of seeking it as a feeling that comes and goes, you’ll grab onto it and start to create a story around why you’re lonely. So this verbal narration has to be separated from the actual feeling that you are feeling. It will only make things more complex when you start making assumptions on why other people behave towards you in certain ways. People behave the way they feel, just like you are behaving according to how you feel.
Another thing is to understand that you are not your mind. You are not all of your actions and thoughts either. There is more to you and this becomes more apparent in a meditative state. You have more strength and abilities that you are right now seeing, and you can’t see them because of the constant chatter in your head, telling you that you’re this and that. When you get a moment of peace from the chatter, things are starting to look much more simpler and a lot less complex. You’ll also hopefully experience being seen.
Please google “the outer child”. Read about it. It might make things more clear for you. It certainly did for myself. I used to be completely impulsive, self-destructive and a complete mess in relationships. Or rather, my behaviour was like that, because I felt so unloved and unsafe. After some self-care, my behaviour has changed. Actually, I was really talkative as well before, and would be way too direct about everything. Now I don’t feel that need anymore. So, I really can understand your behaviour and I can understand how you’d think that it is you who is somehow bad and not good enough. But that’s not the real truth behind it all, and the behaviour will change by itself, after you change your fundamental beliefs about yourself. Changing that required for me to cut through all the mind chatter and to really get deep at my core and to see myself for the person that I actually am. I don’t need others to see me or validate me anymore because I see myself and I accept myself.
Please feel free to ask if this came across in an unclear way. The concept is all clear to me, and actually, your behaviour is completely clear to me as well, but it’s not as easy to communicate it all clearly 🙂
You’ll find yourself and love. Don’t worry 🙂
July 26, 2014 at 4:54 am #61783RahelParticipanttHANKS rUMINANT… Now i realize that I have certain abilities like helping people, care towards others, adventurous, have some writing skills, bit technically sound, compassionate, like experimenting new things etc. but if someone doesnt understand me or hurt me i keep grudges in mind for them. why i always think that others should understand me, keep on getting affirmations and an attention seeking nature. there is no chatter inside the brain, but mind is always dull from inside. I am poor at communicating to people.. I am poor at perceiving advice and very impulsive and impatient. I dont know to love myself and boost up my self esteem. People are fed up of me. My basic problem is that i dont know to change my mind set and try new ways. There are no silent place at home. I want to do something but dont know how to……change my adamant mind…….
July 26, 2014 at 5:07 am #61784The RuminantParticipantFor a moment, don’t worry about what other people think of you. Just focus on yourself and only yourself. In order to find self-acceptance and understanding, you need to allow yourself to be who you are, without trying to be something so that others would react to you. Does that make sense?
You are kind of like stuck in this mindset where you want something, but you sabotage yourself before you even get started. Then you can blame yourself for it and feel even worse, and react to it yet again, and the cycle continues. Like two sides of yourself, your heart and your mind, constantly arguing with each other: the mind blaming the heart and the heart crying and getting emotional. Unfortunately you are the only one who can solve that. Others can only try to offer help and support, but ultimately it is you who has to intervene. Summon that inner strength, that inner higher power, that will allow you to see compassionately what is going on within you. Give yourself the peace and care that you need.
July 26, 2014 at 5:20 am #61786RahelParticipantI WANT TO KNOW TTHE PROCESS OF SELF ACCEPTANCE. I KNOW EVEN U MIGHT BE FED UP OF ME..EVERYONE HAS LEFT HOPE.HOW TO GAIN THE INNER STRENGTH. eVERYONE SAYS ONLY I CAN..I AM READY BUT HOW TO …
CAN U TELL ME STEP WISE HOW U DID IT…. PLEASE BE LITTLE SIMPLE IN EXPLAINING BCOZ I AM POOR IN UNDERSTANDING FAST
July 26, 2014 at 5:21 am #61787RahelParticipantI NEVER THINK OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF ME.. I ALWAYS TRIED TO LEAD A LIFE OF MY OWN
July 26, 2014 at 6:05 am #61789The RuminantParticipantI am not fed up with you 🙂 That’s just what you believe, but it’s not the truth.
You don’t have to understand things fast. Life altering ideas usually take time for everyone. They slowly sink in and then some day perhaps a light bulb will light up.
It’s hard to explain those things in steps, but let me try:
Step 1. Stop saying things like “people are fed up with me”. Just stop it. The more you say it, the more it is imprinted in your mind that it would be the truth, and it isn’t. Don’t talk about yourself in a negative way. Those words hold you down more than you know.
Step 2. When words start to pop into your mind that say that you’re not good enough, don’t grab onto them and take them as truth. It’s just a belief that you’ve bought into and keep telling yourself. If you stop telling yourself that, the belief will change.
Step 3. Enjoy silence. When by yourself or with people. Don’t talk, just listen and see and feel. Don’t try to explain what is happening or make assumptions. Just enjoy the presence of other people.
Step 4. If you get frightened or anxious, take a moment and breathe deeply. Allow the physical feeling to calm down before you allow your mind to start making assumptions on what you should do. The feelings come and go.
Step 5. Give yourself the same compassion that you would give to another person who you see was hurting. This could very well be step 1 as well, but I’m worried that you might not allow yourself to feel compassion as your mind keeps telling yourself that you’re not good enough.
In addition, I would also seek a support group where you could listen to others who have been through similar things as you. Seeing a psychiatrist or a doctor is difficult, because it becomes about they versus your outer child, who’s acting out. Just like it happens in here. We can tell you what you should probably do, and then you might take it as a perceived attack and you start to resist. It might do good for you to also just listen and not argue, as well as talk yourself about your experiences and let other people listen without it becoming a discussion. Those situations allow you to feel in a safe space, but without starting to think too much or get too defensive.
July 26, 2014 at 6:41 am #61790MattParticipantRahel,
I’m sorry for your suffering, and can understand how tasteless and dull things can appear, inside and outside. Sometimes when we’ve been through trauma, we turn inward, do a lot of self examination. This can help examine, uproot, and heal old wounds, but it can also lead us to excessive self focus. Instead of gently finding our heart, our tender space, and growing it outward, we start on a quest to vanquish or destroy the piece of us that is holding us back. A few things same to heart as I read your words.
Aside from TRs already loving advice, consider that your mind and body may be at odds with each other, mistrusting each other. Being abused so young, your body perhaps feels as though your mind is faulty, doesn’t guide your body well. Your mind perhaps feels betrayed by your body, for various reasons, including being so vulnerable, so needy. This is normal, causes much spinning, and does settle as you approach yourself with more gentle care.
To get there, though, there is a part of yourself that needs to be reclaimed, that is missing. Its as if an angel came down and grabbed a portion of your spirit, bringing it away from your body, so you would be able to experience the abuse without breaking, without your heart dying. Reclaiming that part of yourself is about accepting that back then, you were helpless. You were a baby, so young, and incapable of protecting yourself. You had little defense against your abuse, either understanding it, stopping it, knowing to stop it, what to do next. Of course you’d be disoriented. Of course you would have lasting effects that would take a long time to understand and heal.
From a different direction, imagine a young tree, a sapling, that had her roots attacked. Not enough to kill the dear sapling, but enough that the tree fell. As she grew, her roots did find soil, but the trunk never righted itself, never stood back up. How could it? Its just a tree. As she begins to talk with other trees, she notices that others are different, others stand up, while she lays down. A standing tree perhaps says “find self care”, “be kind to yourself”, or any number of things, but the advice, the tenderness offered doesn’t seem to help, meant for standing trees. “You don’t understand”, the sapling responds, “I’m sideways, this is who I am.”
And its true, the sapling is sideways, but just as a result. There is nothing wrong with her, nothing amiss. A very natural place, normal, usual. Laying on her side, her roots still found the soil, still found enough nourishment to keep her watered, alive. But her tender leaves haven’t found the sky.
Bringing this back to your specific situation, standing up will be a two part process. Some of the roots have to be trimmed, because they’re holding you flat. Then, as you stand, you have to take time and effort to grow new tender shoots, new roots, while working against gravity. Said differently, you have some ruts of thinking, habits of thinking, and you’ll have to put in some sweat, grit, and elbow grease to grow upward. Form new, healthy habits of thinking.
To clip the old roots that keep you sideways, consider accepting that you are not defined by your past. You aren’t just “some way”, “stuck being this type of person.” Hogwash, garbage. You have habits, sure, much like a woman that breaks her toe has a limp. That doesn’t make her a “limper in a world of normal people.” Rather, she has a limp, no biggie. You have ruts, patterns, that cause you to act predictably, but its not “you”, just a limp. Because it happened so young, the limp seems like your normal walk… but its still a limp. Now just fear of placing weight on that foot. Just fear of trusting your body and mind. To clip these roots, “these appearing ruts will fade” or “the limping is just limping, normal, and I wish to learn to walk.”
The way gravity is going to pull at you is “yes, but I am…” or “yes, but I’ve tried…” or “yes, but I’m different…” and so forth. Basically, you’ll feel a pull to reject and deny outside help. “But I’m used to laying sideways, I don’t know how to stand” and so forth. All just habit, habitual mental processes… you not only know how to stand, but your body is aching for it, calling you to solve it. Your leaves want the freedom of the sky, its part of us, sings to us. This is what puts the pressure to blurt your life story or grab at any open heart.
When we feel an imbalance in ourselves, its very normal to dump/blert/share with on an available person. Dump and dump, telling the sorrows of your story, issues, hopes, dreams. Then, as you finish, you realize what you’ve done, and expect the other person to dislike you, judge you. So you shut out their hug, close off from their heartfelt response. Which is normal, usual, and leftover from the past, when you received some painful deep touches. Part of the limp.
All this being said, the path to healing from this pattern is opening to the world around you in a safe space. When we have a split like this, a body and mind in conflict with each other, we overcome it by slowly, tenderly opening to the reality around us. Set aside the whole “need to heal Rahel” or “figure out the maze of who i am” for a time, and just bring your concentration to the present moment, resting in your perceptions, intentionally moving away from the past and future, into the trunk, into the body.
Consider watching “Ajahn Jayasaro counting breaths” on YouTube. You say you have a still mind, but that’s false. Your mind is very bouncy, low on concentration, flitting here and there and everywhere, blurting, erupting, running away. This is the portion that was hidden, kept safe by an angel. But now, older, wiser, and safer, its OK to bring that back. To bring your attention to where you are, to concentrate again on what is happening around you, within you. Jayasaro describes a method that helps grow concentration, gives the mind something to do that hones, sharpens our attention. Before moving onto other things, this is needed, especially here, for you, in my opinion. Your mind needs to quiet enough that you’re feeling your body, feeling the breath, feeling the emotions that are present. That’s where all the keys are, that’s where you’ll find your answers.
Finally, consider finding a local abuse survivor support group. More than words on the internet, it can help a lot if we find others that have gone through similar things, and struggle with similar results. That’s when you’ll know that hugs given to you are authentic, from a place of knowing you. There are plenty of hands that would be willing to hold yours, but you have to let them pull you along, instead of playing tug-of-war. Growing concentration first will help this, because you’ll be able to choose what to do instead of feeling a victim of your own habits. We can choose to step aside from our past, when we have the space to go somewhere else.
With warmth,
MattJuly 26, 2014 at 7:50 am #61794RahelParticipantThanks to Rumniant and Matt… I have certain questions…
Keeping my face smiling always reduce any portion of my problem?
I am ready to reduce my talks and listen more,stop saying negative words about me, try to reduce arguing nature.
But can someone tell how to be conscious everytime.. for example if i have to take deep breathe when i get angry or anxious.I dont remember i have to do so..why?when u say that i have to be compassionate with me..? does that mean i have to show sympathy towards me that will make me more depressed.. to help me little can u site example as to how to compassionate myself ..
I should stop pop of words as mentioned in one of the above given advice.i have felt bad and feel dull from inside as i am feeling now..but words doesnt pop inside..i always feel tightness at both the ends of my brain..i dont know whether others also feel the same.
when i dream, think, imagine or create good fantasy about me, i start becoming over proud of myself…half of the time i am normal and happy and the rest i am upset.. why so? why i cant make balance… is it any kind of personality disorder
people say that i am bold in all matters.. thats true..its only about my character i am so worried and upset..
WHat TR told is right i become defensive when someone says something..i argue a lot and later i sit and regret or cry bcoz i didnt give try..i feel as if i am purposefully trying to hurt myself or spoil myself.. any solution to stop being defensive in the first instance itself…
please do reply to my queries step by step and in simple way to understand easily…
WITH love
Rahel abrahamJuly 26, 2014 at 8:11 am #61799RahelParticipantA very example .. that happened right now…my mothers sister (my aunt ) has come for a visit.. when i stepped in and saw her.. i greeted her with smile, spoke gently and threw some jokes..after some time my mood changed..i am angry on her..becauseof her certain unhygenic nature and peeping into my room and forcing me for prayer.. i want privacy…is it bcoz i dont love or is it bcoz of her nature.. i am controlling myanger
July 26, 2014 at 8:23 am #61803The RuminantParticipantRahel,
What Matt wrote was something I very much agree with. I can understand if you want a simple solution, or a checklist of things to be done, but if you can open your heart for a moment and read what Matt wrote, you might find some answers that can not be explained with lists.
Smiling can surely make one feel better, but to force a smile on your face all the time doesn’t seem like a good idea to me.
If you don’t remember to do things, it’s OK. You are being extremely hard on yourself, expecting consistency and if you fail to meet that, you blame yourself. You’re only human, so don’t worry about the consistency so much.
Why does sympathy make you feel depressed? Do you confuse it with pity, perhaps? Pity is looking down on someone and perhaps seeing them as weak. Compassion is understanding the pain that someone is going through and the feelings of care and support that it arises in one’s heart.
I didn’t mean that you need to stop words, but to not believe everything that you tell yourself, especially if it’s very negative or hard or demanding.
When you ask about balance, I think that what Matt said is quite correct, that you need to have the balance between your mind and your body. Meditation can help.
You’re just being defensive to protect yourself from some threat that you perceive. When you can understand that you are doing all of those things for a reason, because the feelings of safety and love has been compromised, it could become easier to be more gentle towards yourself.
As for your the example about your aunt, to me it just seems like your feelings just get the better of you. We all have fleeting feelings. One minute everything is fine and then the next minute something happens that angers us. That is quite usual. It seems as if you have trouble handling the emotions that arise and they rule you instead of you letting them pass.
That does not make you anything peculiar, and you’re not the only one who is defensive, impulsive and finds it difficult to temper their emotions.
In addition to the support group idea, would it be possible for you to find someone local who could help you meditate? You need tools to help you deal with any imbalance that you might have and find ways to learn how to care for yourself.
July 26, 2014 at 8:40 am #61805RahelParticipantSorry, I belong to India..I live in a small town..so u guess there are no yoga studios or support group…
I need to be explained everything in a simple way to understand thing..difficult to understand things faster…sorry dont get irritated when i ask doubts again and again becoz certain sentences i cant grasp easily..
When we say being compasionate towards ourselves, feeling gentle towards us? what does that mean or how to do that….
its 100% true that all my life emotions have overruled me and always try to handle..please tellme what does it mean letting them pass
July 26, 2014 at 8:52 am #61806MattParticipantStep 1) Place butt on cushion
Step 2) Rest comfortably, in body and mind, “OK, for now, just this. Set down future, set down past, set down questions, set down thoughts.”
Step 3) Count breaths. In, one. Out, one. In, two. Out, two. Go from one to five, then start again, one to six. Start again one to seven. Go up to one to ten. If you forget what number you’re on, or what number is next to count to (am I on seven or eight?) start again. One to five. Then one to six. Etc. (Ajahn Jayasaro explains this, and more skilfully)
Step 4) Spend one week doing this twice a day, for 15 minutes a session (longer if it feels right, but at least 15 minutes).
Step 5) Keep a journal during this week, when you meditated, counted breaths, what time, how you felt you did.
Step 6) Dont make excuses… when you feel the pull to the cushion, don’t put it off, go. “Maybe I’ll go count breaths now, ummm, nah…” leads to staying stuck. “Ummm… nah… oh wait, I was warned about this, better go do it.” leads to freedom.
Step 7) Write a post in seven days describing where you’re at, then. The questions that remain, seem most important. Choose one, at most two.Rahel, right now its questions questions questions, flitter flitter flitter, with little space to feel and see the answers you need. Like when trying to create a painting, we have to slow down, look at each brush stroke. This takes space, patience, breath. You don’t seem to have that, which you’ll need, first. Many of your questions and fears will unravel without effort, once you can concentrate a little more, less sleep in your eyes, less needing to “jump away”. Is peace here? Maybe here? Maybe there? Maybe self love? Maybe compassion? Maybe letting go? No, sister, drop them. See step 1.
With warmth,
Matt -
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