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  • #231383
    Tina
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    Hey.

    Im writing here because … well, i was searching around on Google and this seemed like the right place to ask about complicated stuff, that involves the mind.

    If i bother anyone, im sorry.

    So my story is a little long, because so much time passed by between today and when all stuff began. Must be something around 7 Years.

    So back in 7th Grade i met this girl i really admired. Smart, beautiful and with a lot of friends, ppl she knew from granduary School. And, 7th Grade me wanted to be like her. Lets call her Cleo. I really tried making friends with her, but well – she already had alot of them so we were part of the same group at best, and as time passed by i made a best friend – lets give her the name Leonie and didnt had much in common with Cleo. A Year passed, maybe two, and i started to feel really bad. Had nothing to do with Cleo but I was feeling depressed and down and eventually I had a really bad fight with Leonie, jumping up and telling her to just go die, then I quickly left the room.
    To my big surprise it was Cleo that came after me, calmly telling me that she wanted noone to die and just giving me someone to talk. And during the next few weeks when I was ignoring Leonie, me and Cleo became really good freinds.
    Cleo always had a thing for those close friendships where at some point outsiders start to woundering if it was a friendship or a relationship, and I became that friend that she was holding hands with and stuff. I stayed that friend when I talked to Leonie again too, from that point on I had two best friends and somehow I started to feel less depressed.
    2 more years passed and Cleo and me got really close. she called me soulmate or the girl she would marry if she’s done with guys. And I started to feel horrible.
    I had no reason for it, but I felt like I should prove to myself I was really hetero. So in summerholiday I went out with the first guy that showed any interest in me. Worst decision of my life, that guy was 21 and had a serious problem with LSD, and the whole thing ended hurting everybody involved, especially me, 3 months later – but I went out with him, kissed him on the first date and, big surprise, felt absolutely nothing but the fact he’s been smoking before the kiss. But the fact I didn’t felt anything destroyed me.

    When I talked it all over with a good friend in mine, I eventually had to admit that Cleo was the reason behind it. I had to admit that I really had a crush on her, and, knowing she had absolutely no interest in girls, wanted to prove to myself I could just take anybody. That friend of mine told me to tell her and i really wanted – I couldn’t really go on with our friendship like before, and I had a glimpse of hope she could still be interested in me.
    However when we met after holidays again she bursted out with the fact that she had a boyfriend now. Hell I couldn’t tell her how I was feeling. She wanted me to be happy for her so I pretended to be, telling myself this was clearer then any answer she could’ve given me anyways.

    To my horror, that changed nothing in our friendship. So to get over her I tried with shock therapy – my version of it:
    I started gaming with her new bf.

    Now alot if things happened at the same time and I’ll try to get the order right. I met the best friend of her new boyfriend, a friendly cute guy I weeks later started a relationship with. And Cleo stopped having time for anything but school and her bf. It was like she completely wiped me out of her calendar. We had been dancing before? Now she did it with her bf. We wanted to see the new movie? She’d already watched it with him.
    So I did the same. Concentrated on this cute little relationship I had, made it grow, started to really love this guy and to really get over Cleo. Again 2 years passed. Cleo grew distant to everybody, all of her former “friends” dropped her and she didn’t care.
    When I tried to contact her she had no time so I stopped trying.
    And that fact made me feel angry the first time. I knew their relationship wasn’t going well. I also knew it was mainly her fault for being overly attached and jealously. I knew all that because her bf and my bf still we’re best friends and they were talking. They had contact so she should have time to have contact with me.
    She hadn’t.
    When we finished school our contact completely dropped down to happy birthday and their relationship issues I heard from. Finally her bf and her broke up.
    I tried to build our friendship back up. I wrote her, was there for her, took her to parties. After a few weeks I realized I had started 100 percent of our conversations. I didn’t wanted to be the only one still interested in this friendship but I was sure she’d write me, I was just up earlier then her. So I stopped writing, expecting her to start a conversation or wish me a good morning.
    The next message I received from her was 6 months later. It was a happy birthday.

    And there the problem started. I was so horribly angry at her for not contacting me that I talked about it every time I met people that knew her.
    Soon everybody I met back then knew how angry I was at her and at the one-sided friendship we had. My bf was pretty annoyed by this topic too.

    I felt like I was the one that, after all that shit I felt because of her, should rebuild my friendship. Instead I found photos of her in her Facebook page showing her happily with her old friends. The guys who just dumped her when she had a relationship.
    I stalked her Facebook and every photo made me angrier and angrier, but couldn’t stop looking. Some days this anger was the only thing I could think or talk about. But exactly nothing happened and I calmed down again. The slightest trigger made me rage but there were no triggers. I even went out with her ex an my bf and managed to have other topics. However I called her an “annoying egomaniac” in front of her ex. They are back together so I’m sure she knows I said this.

    However the anger is back and as present as never since I started University. The reason is simple.
    First, Cleo started to study there too. I met a former classmate of mine and he told me. I didn’t even ask, he was like ‘hey youre the second person I meet today’. Now it’s like a ticking bomb. She could just stand there in my face anytime, bring everything back up.

    Second, when I thought I couldn’t get worse, I met her older sister – the two look alike – at University too. And I’m having classes with her.

    Since then I can’t think about anything else but all this shit and my anger mainly at being dropped by somebody who once pretended to be my soulmate. I deleted her number, her name, her chats, her Facebook but this won’t help with her sister standing in front of my face 2 times a week and Cleo randomly popping up in the cafeteria. I can’t switch classes either.

    I can’t concentrate. I wouldn’t write this for hours now If I could. I should sleep but I can’t.
    I don’t even know what makes me this angry. I have a healthy relationship for 3 years now. I have a job and go to university and I have better things to worry then that shit that mainly happened in middle School.
    I’m over my crush. I’m over this friendship. But for some reason I can’t let go of the way I was dropped.

    Has anybody ever been in a similar situation or has any other advice?

    Sorry for the wall of text … Greetings from Germany,

    Tina

    #231491
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tina:

    Greetings back to you.

    Your story, in my understanding, is about anger and obsession, the anger feeds the obsession. Looking at the anger, the first indication of it in your post is not about Cleo but Leonie. You wrote: “I had a really bad fight with Leonie, jumping up and telling her to just go die, then I quickly left the room”.

    If you want to examine your anger with me, will you elaborate on that fight with Leonie?

    anita

    #231539
    Tina
    Participant

    Hey Anita,

    thanks for answering me. You might be right with that obsession, I already thought about it too. That’s why I put her contact info out of my own reach. But hey, life’s a bitch.

    Well that situation with Leonie was actually the result of a longer problem i failed to address until I lost it.
    A few months before a guy joined our class, and I had a special informatics couse with him. We were partners in it and a great team. I really liked this guy but only on a friendship level. I want even interested in guys back then at all, and up to now I’m still sure that he was more interested in guys also.
    But Leonie thought we’d make a great couple als she wouldn’t stop talking about it. She even gifted me books she saw him reading. I … Well, hinted, that I had absolutely no interest in him in that way, but I never really told her to stop. Eventually I felt like I had to defend myself, like I had to prove that I had no crush on him for her to finally stop but I was to unsure why I was feeling absolutely nothing to say it like that so I instead said “no way, isn’t he gay anyways?”
    Loud. In the middle of the class. And that sentence included his name.
    He never talked to me again after that. And i freaking get it, no matter if he was gay or not, people starter to bully him for it. But i lost such a valuable friend and Leonie wouldn’t stop talking about it and continued to say stuff like that I should ask him out, I should sit beside him, how cute our babies could be.
    So I lost it, telling her so shut the fuck up,to just go die and leave me alone and ran out.

    However i have to add that Leonie and me have a healthy friendship now. We made up a few weeks later and looking back we were just stupid kids in puberty. We have less contact due to the fact that she is a very sporty and active person and I’m a couch potato so every activity fun for her was torture for me, and when we left school we just lived our lives apart from each other.
    This was a far bigger fight, with much worse reasons, than I ever had with Cleo and it’s not affecting me at all.

    Also I’m not really the guy for anger issues at all, there is a huge pile of shit you have to do to make me really angry.
    That’s what makes it weird, that anger out if it all is the one thing I’m still feeling for Cleo.

    #231573
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tina:

    I will be able to read and reply to your recent post when I am back to the computer in about sixteen hours from now. I hope other members will reply before I am back.

    anita

    #231725
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tina:

    You’ve had a crush/ infatuation/ love for Cleo for a long, long time. She called you a soulmate and that meant a whole lot to you. But what proceeded was an unrequited love story- you were in love with her, you wanted her in a lover kind of way but she didn’t feel that way toward you. A situation like this over such a long time, does make a person angry.

    You wrote that you have a boyfriend, currently, correct? What about the sexual orientation/ relationship-gender-preference issue? I wonder if this is an unresolved issue that prolongs your focus and preoccupation aka obsession with Cleo.

    anita

    #231807
    Tina
    Participant

    Hey Anita,

    Yeah, I have a boyfriend. I’m bisexual, my interest in guys just developed later in puberty. That is how i explain all the things in felt in the last year (I even outed myself as a lesbian in front of a few good friends and then took it back). As I’ve never had a relationship with a girl, i cant really tell what gender i prefer, i can just tell that I’m actually happy with my current relationship the way it is. Back that i made sure with myself i was over Cleo before i started a new relationship, and my way of making sure was the following:

    I pictured for myself a situation, i knew that would never happen: Cleo standing in front of my door, telling me, her relationship had ended and how unhappy she was because she just dated him to make me jealous, and asking me out. And I pictured I already had the relationship i currently have. And i asked myself, what i would do – leave him to start dating her, or say “sorry, you should’ve said this a few months ago”. I started dating him when i was sure the answer would be the latter.

    However, sometimes i feel like I could be in love with a girl and a guy at the same time, because i’m pretty sure my brain would just threat them different. I cant really explain it, its like you can have a favorite type of ice-cream and at the same time you can have a favorite type of pizza without it affecting your love for your favorite ice-cream. As this is not what my definition of loyalty in a relationship is i just tell myself “No” at every girl i meet – still, during the past three years there are a few women i met that i could have developed a crush on, if i hadn’t forbid myself those thoughts.

    I don’t really have an unresolved issue with this, tho. I probably had an issue with it in the first year, when I asked myself if there was something wrong with me for feeling like that, but over the years i guess i accepted that things for me just are this way. I just am like this, i cant change it, and if my brain cant tell itself that i shouldn’t fall in love with girls when i have a boyfriend, then i have to make that decision actively, because i don’t want my relationship to suffer from it.

    I haven’t told my boyfriend this tho. He knows about all the stuff with Cleo, of course, but he doesn’t know the way i feel about my sexuality. Its not because i don’t trust him or stuff, but he is somebody that has a hard time trying to understand what other people feel, especially when it gets really complex, and its stuff he cant relate to. So probably he would just try to understand the concept of me being able to love him and still crush on girls, fail, and ask himself if this is, i dunno, a sign of relationship issues or ask himself what he did wrong. Nothing productive would come out of it, no kind of understanding or help, he’d just start self-blaming.

    There are very few times i actually ask myself, i things where different if i had a girlfriend instead of a boyfriend. And sometimes this girlfriend is specified as Cleo. This dropped into anger during the last year, and she stopped being this specific person i compared him with. But those comparisons have always been unfair and after fights, and the have never lasted after we made up. And when she broke contact for like – no reason – a year ago, the only picture of her in my mind isn’t the girl i compare my bf with. Its just us two, her and me, fighting.

    Whenever, wherever, and its me saying things i could never say to her if she stood in front of my face, but i can imagine myself screaming all the stuff at her i can’t in reality, because i even know, its not her fault shes hetero. She never felt the friendship we had as deep as i felt it, so shes probably not even going to understand why I’m this angry she called me “soulmate” and then left. There are a lot of friendships that just end when ppl dont see each other in school anymore. And to her, I’m sure, I’m just one of those friendships.  Thats also the feeling that came back up when her sister popped up in University, and i knew Cleo was there somewhere. I image me meeting her, and we start to fight. Thats not going to happen, we’d ignore each other – and after it, i guess she wouldn’t mind, my week would be ruined by anger.

    Id get an angry look at best, because i called her an “annoying egomaniac”, and i know that talking behind her back for her is the worst form of betrayal. I’m not going to confront her, but the idea of doing so is haunting me.

    #231859
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tina:

    I think it is admirable (I admire it) that you are loyal to your boyfriend, that you don’t share with him what you believe would confuse him for being too complex, that you pictured a situation where Cleo was interested in you before you chose your boyfriend, and that you “accepted that things for me just are this way.. my brain can’t tell itself that I shouldn’t fall in love with girls.. I have to make that decision actively, because I don’t want my relationship to suffer from it”. It is unusually mature of a person to not only avoid automatically reacting to feelings, but to actively choose as you do. And to care as much as you to do be fair to others.

    About Cleo, you formed a strong emotional attachment to her in the circumstances you described: “I started to feel really bad. Had nothing to do with Cleo but I was feeling depressed and down“. You then had a “really bad fight with Leonie” and it was Cleo “that came after me, calmly telling me… and I became that friend that she was holding hands with and stuff… somehow I started to feel less depressed… 2 more years passed and Cleo and me got really close, she called me soulmate or the girl she would marry if she’s done with guys”

    My input at this point:

    1. The time you formed a strong emotional attachment to Cleo was when you were felt depressed and down and following a fight with your best friend. The strength of your attachment to Cleo was intense because you were depressed at the time. The more depressed we are, the stronger we attach, as if we attach to a life savor.

    2. Cleo was dishonest regarding her sexual orientation/ gender preference. She knowingly behaved as if she was oriented toward girls (at least no less than toward guys) and even declared that she was considering preferring girls (“if she’s done with guys”), but then she communicated to you otherwise (“knowing she had absolutely no interest in girls”).

    But she did have interest in girls! Her behavior is evidence to it and she communicated her interest in you this way very clearly. Then she denied it.

    I think it is possible that you are angry with her not only for not reciprocating the friendship with you later on (following the holding hands and soulmate phase), but because she was dishonest with you, lied to you, basically and in so doing, confused you. This may be the reason why it is so important to you to be honest with your boyfriend and not to confuse him, not wanting to do to him what she did to you.

    Basically, she awakened in you an interest in her that was beyond friendship, a personal romantic interest by holding your hand, calling you her soulmate, suggesting a marriage with you in the future.. and then turned around and denied all of this, presenting herself otherwise, confusing you. In denying what she denied, you doubted yourself.

    Does this make sense to you?

    anita

     

     

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