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March 22, 2016 at 10:31 am #99826AnonymousGuest
Dear Ravi:
You are trying to decipher the valid message underneath your possessiveness with Jerry in the description in your last post? Excellent quest! Let’s examine this together then. Possible messages for you to consider, and add to the list your own possible messages:
1. I am not good enough. Others are better than me, so better see she is not finding out how better others are. Once she finds out, she will not want to spend time with (inferior) me.
2. When Jerry communicates with another, they will touch her with their tainted hands (figuratively, as in people touching your possessions with dirty hands) and will make her dirty. I must keep her pure by preventing her being contaminated by others!
What do you think/ feel so far about the two above?
anita
March 22, 2016 at 11:28 pm #99882ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThat’s what I felt too, indeed. Regarding #1, all the time I used to get feelings like, “You’re no good. He’s her blood brother, he never hurt her unlike you, he always makes her happy in a way you never can. She’ll never love you like she loves him.” My friends used to keep pointing out the absurdity of this kind of thinking. After finding out about my feelings, even she said the same – we’re both good in our own ways and though blood family always gets priority, she loves me almost as much too and doesn’t like comparisons. But I could not get over the inferiority complex no matter how much I tried.
Point #2 is valid as well. It’s also what disturbs me the most. Not wanting someone to love even their own blood brother is one of the most disgusting things I can imagine. I was/am truly shocked to find myself thinking that way because normally my rational side would just say, “Of course she’ll love him and it’s wonderful that they share such a nice bond. She loves you so much too, despite having known you for just 3 years.” It kept screaming that in some corner, but the dragon in my head overpowered it and I kept having useless arguments for nearly the whole of February.
And almost abruptly, once I accepted that I love her as more than a sister, the jealousy crumbled and became easy to control. I don’t understand why. Maybe because the plug was in the wrong socket all along… since I still thought of myself as her brother, my primal brain sensed a “competitor” who could take away from me someone very precious to me? Based on my elementary understanding of evolutionary psychology. But now I am on the verge of losing her due to this same behaviour. 🙁 I nearly have turned my extreme fear of losing her into a self-fulfilling prophecy. After our discussion, I’m wondering if the roots of all this are due to my upbringing. Because of my lack of self-confidence and lack of self respect due to all the fiasco that my temper caused, my inner self feels I’m not good enough for her and might never have my heart’s only true wish come true… that’s why it reacts to all perceived and real threats in this manner?
I messaged her festival greetings and she’s not replied yet. Feeling really depressed.
March 23, 2016 at 9:18 am #99896AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
You wrote: ” I’m wondering if the roots of all this are due to my upbringing. Because of my lack of self-confidence and lack of self respect..” Of course the roots are in your upbringing (and since you are still living with the same people, this upbringing is still going on…)
The roots of you, Ravi, are in your upbringing, in your childhood. Anyone’s and everyone’s roots are in their childhood just like the plant’s roots are in the ground. And for the same reason: the seed is in the ground, that’s where it starts. The baby you were was born into your particular family. In that family, you started developing.
And just like a plant which grows differently depending on how much water, nutrients and sun it gets, and the closeness or distance from other plants, so do you develop as a direct result of interacting with the people in your family.
Ravi would have no anger issues at all, if Ravi was born in some other family. No rage problem. Can you imagine? It is not something you were born with.
This is why insight into the roots of our behaviors is so important. To uproot a bad weed, like the abusive behavior you display when enraged, you need to get to the root.
Please do post again… let me know how you feel and what you think and what is going on…
anita
March 23, 2016 at 7:49 pm #99941ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYes that’s what. I wish I was different… that I had no anger issues and all. But what’s done is done and now I’m finding it extremely hard to control. Once again the temper is getting the better of me. I had messaged Jerry festival greetings with much hope and spent the whole day looking at my silent new message-less phone with false hopes. I made the mistake of going to our forum and looking at her new posts there… posts we normally used to make together. Heck, even if I find a random 2014 or 2015 date scribbled in my notebook or somewhere, I find myself thinking “that was the time when she was still with me.” Right now again my parents started the “you’re living only for studying like all other students” lecture. I’m going into deeper depression than anyone can imagine and spent the whole day locked in my room alone. My parents were speaking among themselves something like, “See? He’s giving priorities to other things and stopped studying again. He’ll not pass the exams again. All our hard efforts will be wasted.” I’m getting extremely irritated and angry at small things again (like grandma pestering me to have food) and whatever little I had progressed over the last week is crashing down.
My friends tell me “don’t worry about Jerry, one day you will find ‘the one’ meant for you”. Of course people will feel I’m just immature and just infatuated with her… how can anyone understand what she means to me, including her? How can I tell anyone that she is “the one” and I will never love anyone else like I love her? It’s easy enough to say stuff like go out, meet other people, there are so many girls in the world and eventually find the right one, you’re just inexperienced that’s why you’re saying this, first love isn’t always correct, etc etc. Firstly I just was never interested in romance/dating and I had never set out to find “the one”. I may not be a love guru or anything, but I trust my inner message as to what she means to me. I know we did not meet and grow close for no reason. I know I will never love anyone else the way I love her. I know even if faced with temptations to love someone else, I’ll forever follow the right path and not the easy one. She has my loyalty and my love forever. I either want to be with her, or go to the grave with my heart’s desire unfulfilled. No middle path.
Sorry for the outburst, but I’m in terrible depression from yesterday and all the people who had promised to be with me forever, I find them sending just smileys or a “hmmmm” or “I don’t know, you do what you feel right” when I confide my feelings to them. Not flattering Anita but its only you, whom I’ve known for barely a week, who’s been most understanding to me in this darkest phase of my life.
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March 23, 2016 at 8:22 pm #99949AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
I feel so sad reading your last post. Thank you for what you wrote in the last line.
I am speechless right now. I think of how lonely you are, how alone, how.. I wish things were different for you. I read your whole post and your emotions and thought are loud and clear. Very strong emotions, very strong loving emotion for Jerry. There is nothing stronger than what you feel for her. Nothing comes close.
I am going to be thinking about you being “in this darkest phase of (your) life” and will be writing to you probably tomorrow. For now, I just feel sad. Write me again anytime. In any case, I will write to you tomorrow.
Be strong, Ravi-
anita
March 23, 2016 at 9:01 pm #99965ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks for your kind words, Anita. Not even the people I considered most close in my life did that much. Either they send a bunch of ” 🙁 🙁 ” smileys along with “I don’t know what to say”, or just tell me “nothing is as important as your studies, so just study, study, study”. Never mind that they did not listen to anything I had to say for 4 years… or I’d never have to see this phase in my career.
I’m not saying this for attention seeking or sympathy but I have nowhere else to express myself. I’m not even asking Jerry to reciprocate my feelings right now. Can worry about all that later, but why did she have to block me and treat me as though I did something criminal? She did it even before we had that fight. I know she was shocked to discover my feelings but its not like I meant any harm to her ever. I had refrained from telling her just because I didn’t want to hurt her. Every single living moment our happy memories are piercing my heart like fiery knives and I feel like ripping out my heart and throwing it away, death would be far better than a life like this. I just don’t wish to live anymore. I feel like running away from home and drowning myself, or doing whatever possible to ensure I don’t wake up alive and endure this pain more. But I’m a coward… can’t even do that. I have nothing left but lock myself in my room and cry my heart out thinking of my sweetie. I know I deserve this for treating her badly.
March 23, 2016 at 9:30 pm #99979AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
Your pain is intense. I don’t think you deserve to hurt like this. I am all for you not being abusive when enraged, and I am all for you not suffering. You are making a point I didn’t think about before: she blocked you not because of your abusive behavior but because you expressed (first to a friend who shared that online chat with her) feelings to her not of the brother-sister type. Is that so? I didn’t pay enough attention to this point before.
This is a separate issue, topic. Your feelings of love for her, not of a sibling type, is nothing wrong on your part. You can’t help how you feel and after all, you are not her brother. So, this part, I have to think about it. Again, is that why she blocked you last? And how could she blame you for feeling for her what you do? We don’t choose what we feel…
Bed time for me, and I will be thinking about this last point. Be back at the computer in 10 hours or so, maybe less and will post to you first thing.
Take care and please be gentle with yourself. Don’t make this tougher on you than it has to be. There is no benefit in your suffering, in you believing you deserve to suffer. There is no use in it, it doesn’t help anyone, so please don’t suffer more than you have to. I understand you being tempted to end your pain any which way, but please don’t! We are only on page 6 of your thread and I think the limit is 99 (a joke…)
Till tomorrow (for me)- tell those outside your room pestering you to leave you alone! And try to relax…
anita
March 23, 2016 at 10:43 pm #99980ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI do deserve this pain, Anita. It’s the bitter truth, but truth alright. Whatever may be the faults of my upbringing… it does not change what I did. Even some of the terrorists who cause so many innocent deaths all around the world seem to sympathetic if you examine their background, but the damage they caused cannot be undone. Jerry is one of the sweetest, kindest, most innocent and soft-hearted, genuinely loving, loyal and devoted human beings on this planet. I’m not saying it just because I love her. It’s the truth that I’ve known from a long time, even before I realized I’m in love with her. Despite knowing everything, it was I who caused fights on petty issues (such as what to post on our Facebook page) and kept away my phone in anger knowing well she was sending sorry messages relentlessly, probably crying on her end while I sat like an obstinate creature ignoring everything, replying when I felt like it. Or I sent her some 10-page long, emotionally hurtful message and threatened to never talk to her again, turned off the phone in anger knowing well that by the morning she’ll have sent a million sorry messages even if it wasn’t her fault at all. Such incidents happened not once but literally thousands of times. Is it not emotional abuse, manipulation and mind games of the worst sort? If this is not karma for my vile deeds, I dunno what is. I accept it and I know I only am responsible for this sweet girl to feel so hurt and act towards me this way. Every human being has emotional limits and I crossed hers a million times like a selfish beast and she loved me enough to forgive me silently time and again, though she has emotions too. All these thoughts are killing me and making every second of my existence a living hell.
Yes, she blocked me after she found out from our friend that I had these feelings from her. I do feel it was too much and she could’ve just talked to me…but I cannot blame her for her reaction even if it hurts me. I already hurt her very badly, too much like you can read above. If she felt this was just another attempt of mine to hurt her, she’s well justified to feel that way after my deeds. Moreover, she told me that she does not like talking to boys at all other than her brother, and I’m the only one exception because we developed such a sweet bond over these years. It’s the truth, I myself observed that almost everyone else she ever talked to are girls. She loved me as a brother and it’s natural that she expected me to feel the same way for her. She said to me – “I did not expect this from you. I don’t feel we ever shared anything personal and we always spoke just about our favourite show and actor. I said nothing for you to be justified to feel this way for me.” As you know, the second part is wrong because we did share a lot of personal things, which she now doesn’t wish to admit. But she seems to feel I misinterpreted some of her words as romantic signals and decided to push forward, when in fact it isn’t true and the feelings are mine alone. I knew she’d not accept my feelings, that’s why I didn’t express them to her. I don’t know how to make her understand this, now that she’s not even talking to me.
She’s also very offended by me sharing my feelings to our friends, saying “It’s completely unacceptable to me that you shared our private matters to the whole world. Do you think I should keep quiet when you go around telling people behind my back that you have romantic feelings for me?” In fact I had been careful not to share any “private” things she told me to them. I did not share my feelings to the “whole world”, but just 2 people whom we both consider our sisters. I gave her my reasons for doing it – because I knew she won’t accept my feelings. Am I not a human being? For how long can I bottle up my emotions inside me? Did I not have a right to share it with a selected few people we both consider family? It’s not like I started spreading gossip or rumours about her, for heaven’s sake. I don’t know why she can’t try to understand this. I know it’s all my fault. If I had not hurt her like a monster so many times, maybe she’d have been much softer and more understanding. It’s my karma and nothing else.
Out of my anger, apart from the horrible things I said to her, I also exited our Facebook page and groups, which hurt her too. I made a mess of the most loving and prized relation of my life and I could give my life to just have her back… but I see nothing but darkness ahead. I cannot bear with this cursed life anymore.
March 24, 2016 at 5:56 am #99987ravi_zimmerfanParticipantMy parents are so worried for my studies and almost begging me to put aside whatever is bothering me, and focus on my career first. It hurts me to see them like that. I called an anti-depression service again, and the person said I cannot hope to have her back and he can only help me cope with my pain and forget her. I disconnected after thanking him and felt truly lonely and miserable. I just wish to have her back… I swear I’ll never ask for anything else for myself. I wrote this poem to vent out my pain and feelings. I don’t know what else to do.
My face lit up with a smile brighter than the early sunlight
After seeing your “good morning” messages on my phone
No matter where I went, my day was always joyfully bright
I smiled when my phone vibrated; I knew I was never alone.I cannot imagine that it had been three long years until now
I truly feel as if we knew each other since as far as I can recall
What we meant to each other, we both know within and how
No matter what dark times we face, can that care ever fall?It was a seemingly ordinary hour, just before her birthday
When I received your wonderful message that started it all
Our plans for our Facebook page and choosing the hard way
To defend our elder sister and ensure her honour stands tall.We’re both so hesitant and introverted, unwilling to open up
Yet on working together, we found an understanding beyond
We were always there for each other, as support and backup
We faced so much, and never could anything affect our bond.Be it in joy or sorrow, whether in light or in our darkest times
You were there for me, to guide and help, to make me calm
When my anger blinded me, you endured all my vile crimes
You loved me as a brother, and your care was a healing balm.When the world abandoned me for the vicious beast I am
You alone bore everything, even suppressing your own pain
Out of your genuine care, you held back the pain-filled dam
You smiled at my happiness and tried to mask all the strain.I know that I could not live up to the promise I made to you
To control my anger and rage, to become what I once was
None could regret my failure more than me, that’s true too
I know that for my present pain and sorrow, I am the cause.For all the infernal words my tongue let slip, may it thus rot
For all the wrong thoughts my mind held, may it set ablaze
I twitch and squirm in this net of evil in which I was caught
I can do nothing but look back at memories through a haze.I just wish you knew I never intended any harm to you ever
When I knew my feelings had changed, I chose not to tell
I knew you would only feel hurt, would accept them never
I know I made mistakes, and I’m now burning in fiery hell.I did not intend any gossip, when in our friends I did confide
I simply needed a place to express; I had given them my trust
I truly did not wish to offend you, I couldn’t have even tried
I didn’t see that it could lead to everything crumbling to dust.For the harsh words that my cursed lips uttered, I bear guilt
You never meant harm and were as sweet as you always are
For my all uncivilized behaviour, I am responsible to the hilt
I don’t wish to make excuses, but it’s a result of my past scar.Ever since that incident, I have been determined to change
To live up to my promise and to truly become a better man
One worthy of being with you and with values wide in range
And I found the roots of my anger in my past life’s caravan.With sincere efforts I wish to change myself for the better
To never be hurtful, to have compassion and understanding
None but you could’ve motivated me to change even a letter
I wish you could see why your inspiration is truly outstanding.I’m honestly not asking you to feel the same as I do for you
I respect your feelings and I would never even think to force
I just wish you know that my respect and care are always true
That they flow from my heart, like a river running its course.There hasn’t been a darker time in my life than these days
I’m like a flailing ship with its sails ripped and torn asunder
For these years you were my light of happiness on my ways
Without you, my life is bereft of joy and any sense of wonder.Without you, all colours are drained and everything is grey
The very essence of life is gone and thrown down the drain
Without you, to hopelessness and despair I have fallen prey
Exhaustion at this awful, wretched life paralyzes my brain.There’s no more bright “good morning” message in sight
There’s no longer even your sweet “hehe lol” left to see
No one to discuss about our show or against haters fight
All that’s left are those memories, as painful as can be.I do not demand that you must reciprocate what I feel
I simply wish that we don’t let this issue affect our bond
That we at least have a cordial relation, and we let it heal
Hadn’t we sworn to be together in this life and beyond?No matter what they say, they can never understand
Unless they’ve been in my heart, they can never know
They can’t see why you hold in my heart a place so grand
That it’s not a whim but a most genuine, heartfelt glow.Whatever you think of me, I can never uproot my care
The place you hold in my heart, can’t be taken by another
No matter what the world says, all the pain I’ll gladly bear
But I’ll never let go, and will love you more than any otherI wish that this is not the end to the sweet bond we share
Within our heart, both of us know its importance so well
That we are together again is my honest and solemn prayer
I truly pray our bond emerges unhurt from this cursed spell.March 24, 2016 at 7:28 am #99988AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
I read both your posts. Your poem is amazing. The emotions are raw and well articulated; your intelligence evident, strong. Your use of words… it is an authentic poem, nothing compromised for the sake of form, of rhyming and such.
I thought about you and your life as I learned about you and your life in our correspondence on this thread. And it is clearer to me this morning that there are different issues that in your passion and grief are mixed where in reality they are quite separate. I am also aware that your despair at this time, ever since you sent Jerry the Festival message and she didn’t reply.
Please try to be calm as you read my post here so that your brain can process my input. And do tell me if you believe I got it wrong here and there and let me know. It is about you finding the truth, not about agreeing with me. I am not here to be agreed with but to try and help you see the truth yourself. These are the separate issues as I see them:
1) Your expression of your intense anger (rage)- we both agree about this topic. As you wrote in your poem:
“For the harsh words that my cursed lips uttered, I bear guilt
…For my all uncivilized behaviour, I am responsible to the hilt.”Unlike your grandmother’s and mother’s messages to you, mine is not that you are always right and the other person is wrong. On this topic you were wrong: you indeed were abusive to Jerry. We discussed this topic at length. My suggested solution is that you assert yourself with everyone in your life and take charge of your life. My suggestion is not that you become passive and accommodating, that would be the extreme change which will only fuel the rage, but that you become consistently assertive on a daily basis.
2) Your relationship with Jerry of about 3 years, even though it has been all online and one time on the phone, was a real relationship, just like our correspondence here is real, honest, thorough… even though we never saw or heard each other. Your relationship with Jerry was real, the emotions were real, the mutual loving feelings were real and your current loving emotions for her are real and I respect them as such.
3) The chances of a relationship with Jerry in-person was always and – independently of topic # 1- dismal, extremely small. Almost non-existent. This topic here, number three, must be hard to take and therefore, I am thinking, you didn’t want to think about and still don’t. I will repeat, saying it in a different way:
Even if you were the calmest, most perfectly kind, never abusive, always gracious man in the whole wide world, the chances for a relationship with Jerry in-person would be as small as they are now.
This is because having a relationship with you beyond the strict brother-sister (in her mind) online communication and one phone call, is not up to Jerry. It is up to her parents.
And because you never met her parents, online or elsewhere and because they know nothing of you, your abusive behavior when angry is irrelevant to the dismal, almost non existing chances of a relationship with her beyond what it was.
4) Although I agree with you, according to your quotes and descriptions, that she has been very kind and loving toward you, it is also true as I see it, that her honesty about her feelings for you was limited. She went as far as lying, saying you shared no personal information. She turned a blind eye to what she already knew, that you had feelings for her beyond brother-sister. And she turned a blind eye to her own feelings that went beyond brother-sister.
5) India is still a country of Arranged Marriages, unfortunately. This institution of Arranged Marriages and otherwise an extremely strong control that grandparents and parents have over their adult children is bigger, way, way bigger than anything else. In this context, topic #1, is again… irrelevant.
6) As far as your suffering. You naturally feel pain for having been abusive to Jerry. This is the consequence of your behavior. Suffering more than necessary is not wise, it serves no purpose. It doesn’t earn you points, doesn’t take away your anger… it is unnecessary.
What do you think so far, what do you agree with and what do you disagree with? Please do increase the area of what you are looking at, instead of a “tunnel vision” focused only on your abusive behavior when enraged, AS IF that is the cause of everything and the solution is in suffering for it… look at the wider picture, the whole picture.
anita
March 24, 2016 at 7:58 am #99990ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks Anita for going through my posts and replying so thoughtfully. I agree with most of the points you’ve put forward here and they do ring a bell with me. Here’s what I feel.
1. Yes, this is what I feel about my anger. Unfortunately the despair is causing my resolve to crumble. Like today, nearly half the time my parents were at my back demanding what topics I’ve studied today, what’s left, what more needs to be done, we’re worried that you’re wasting precious time, nothing is more important than studies, there’s very little time left for exams, so study, study, study. I’m already broken due to this issue and this became unbearable and I lost my temper. I tried to be assertive but they didn’t understand and went on and on (especially my mom) about how studies-are-the-purpose-of-life and what not. What could I do?
2. It’s true. Sadly, the use of past tense really makes me feel awful. I just wish that at the end of everything, our bond survives and we remain good friends at least. Maybe even a brother-sister again someday… but may this not be the end. Only you have understood what she means to me. I’m sick of everyone else lecturing me about “Come on, life stops for nobody, there are things more important than her, you must live happily for your parents.” Not a single person except you and possibly one more friend understood what she means to me.
3. This I understand and accepted from the day I realized my feelings for her. Like I said, I do feel that when you act right from your side and believe in your heart, sometimes unexpected miracles happen. Not that I was counting on one, but for me just being with her, even as a friend is far more important than a relationship as my heart wishes for.
4. This is true again. I can’t help but wonder if this was the reason that knowing about my feelings resulted in such a reaction from her.
5. This point is a far cry from now. My priority is simply making up to her and reuniting with her. Everything else including this, we can worry about later.
6. I know. But I truly do want to make up for it and make her happy… compensate for what I did. This is different from the relationship part. And I truly wish to change myself. I do not want to lose her. I prefer to die than losing her, I mean it.
March 24, 2016 at 8:01 am #99991AnonymousInactiveVery beautiful poem Ravi, I can tell you put such deep thought into this. You’re really good with words… If I were you I’d save this poem and send it to her. Keep writing poems, you’re very talented. Also, I hope you and your love will re-unite and create a beautiful and loving partnership/marriage and life together. Sending lots of love, positivity and light your way. ❤️
Many Blessings.
M.
March 24, 2016 at 8:07 am #99992ravi_zimmerfanParticipantElle, thank you so much. It truly means a lot to me. I do hope to send it to her someday. Thanks again and stay blessed too. 🙂
March 24, 2016 at 8:51 am #99994AnonymousGuestDear Ravi;
Regarding asserting yourself with your grandmother and mother (you didn’t write about your father bugging you in any way… maybe he is passive, following the strong- and unreasonable- women in his life…) – this is most difficult. Your care about being non abusive should be strongest with innocent others. Problem is your grandmother and mother are not innocent parties to your anger. Without them doing what they have done all these years, there wouldn’t be an anger problem for you.
So, i wouldn’t feel guilty for expressing my anger at them strongly, firmly (but still, of course, no physical violence or abusive words). Repeat”:” leave me alone!” after each time they repeat: “Study!”
Every time you hear “Study!” say: “Leave me alone” or “Stop talking to me.” or “I need you to not talk to me for two hours, it is now 3 PM, so not talking to me until 5 PM”- or such thing, you choose.
Regarding the dismal chances of marriage with Jerry, something you called a miracle, if it happens and that it is something to worry about later… well, don’t worry about it then, but keep it in mind. She had it in her mind the whole time: isn’t it why she kept her feelings brother-sister, or tried to..and why she blocked you when she had evidence that you were in love with her?
So even if you worry about it later, realize: she has been worried about it all along. It has always been a problem in the present, not the future. Because it was so for her.
anita
March 24, 2016 at 9:07 am #99996ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYes, my dad is much more passive and though he’s not much more understanding either, he does care for my feelings enough to leave me alone and not say anything if he feels it’ll hurt me (with rare exceptions). I told my mom to leave me alone at least 20 times today and each time she pushed me more and more with all kinds of non-stop lecturing. It’s what used to annoy me a lot even in years before and she just doesn’t understand. I do understand she’s worried about my future but after all I had assured her that I’ll study when my mind is at peace. And truthfully, if I do wish to be with Jerry then qualifying these exams is crucial, to make a good career and be good enough for her family. But I just can’t find the motivation to study due to this situation.
I can’t say whether Jerry had been worried about this all along. She appeared very shocked when she finally found out about my feelings, but then I don’t understand why she said that “I had to talk since the call was costing you money” thing regarding our phone call; trying to deny that she felt comfortable talking to me. I did feel that blocking me in this manner was an overreaction. Dunno whether she’d have done it with anybody or because she truly loved me as a brother. Then again, I presently am only worried about being back on speaking terms with her again. The relationship part comes far later. I probably would not be feeling so upset about this situation had our last interaction not been that awful fight and all the horrible things I said. I just pray this is resolved amicably and we’re on good grounds together again.
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