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  • #93933
    Nan
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    Attempting to be concise:
    Married at 19 to a wonderful boy of 20. Was my college sweetheart. My mother was tremedously jealous, since I lived at home and commuted to school each day. Once married and living in apartment, she had daily contact with me, and intensfied my doubts and girlish worries, as I had started to think that the exciting nightlfe and wild dating life of my friends- that i was missing out. My mother contined to adivse that I made amistake and come home. She pointed out small worries as BIG worries and turned my head around. I left my husband by dropping a letter on the table, leaving with just my clothes and disappearing. My husband was crushed. I thought he didnt care, but in recent discussion I found out my mother signed my name to a warrant threatenign arrest if he contacted me. Did not know how I was manipulated and lied to all these years. Her reason was extremem jealousy and selfishness, wanting me to stay home with her and take care of her and be her buddy.
    Fast forward 40 years now- I have recently found out all the lies and manipualtions of this period. My college first husband reconnected with me and we have been dumbfounded by this and the lies we both believed all these years. He had told me from the first time we talked, of how he NEVER forgot me and wanted to reach out for decades, but was afraid. Finally, sent me a birthday card and I was floored!
    We have been communicating for 2 years now and have had a few meetings face to face. He is recently divorced in the past few months, and I am still married to second husband for 35 years. I dont want my current life. I want my first husband deeply and with my whole soul. We were so young, so lied to, and it was a big mistake.
    My current hsuband has no idea. I feel like I am sleepwalking through life right now. I want to leave, but fearful of the illogical need I seem to have, for my old husband and how he cherishes me. Parlayzed right now. Dont know how to move forward……

    #93943
    Violet
    Participant

    Nan,

    I’m so sorry to hear about the relationship with your mother. I hope you have moved on from the grief and fear of that relationship.

    Your situation is not an easy one. I would first suggest having a talk with your current husband so you can get things off your chest and be respectful of him as your partner. Plan out what you want to say if you feel like that will help. I would also be sure that you and your first husband are on the same page and have the same expectations. Then things will be able to move forward. One step at at time.

    #93948
    Alicia1211
    Participant

    Hello Nan, that’s a difficult situation, I imagine that you feel that this is your chance to finally be happy with your first partner again, however, I believe you should really wait to make a decision like leaving your current husband, as much as you feel happy right now, try to stay calm and evaluate both situations before you do anything. If things don’t work out with your first husband, you have made a great damage to your current familiy.

    I hope everything works out great for you.

    #94012
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear nan:

    What a heart breaking story; what a betrayal by your mother.

    I would like to discuss this with you more, your situation, to look at it. First thing: are you still in contact with your mother and what kind of relationship do you have with her, if you do?

    anita

    #94043
    Nan
    Participant

    1- My adopted mother has been dead since 1987. I wasa adopted by my paternal grandmother when I was 3 months old, since biological mother disappeared. She had always made me feel like I “owed” her. That’s a whole other story of family lies and manipulation since a chidl, I was unaware of my “brother” actually being my father, until I was 13 years old. I did not have a bad relationship with her, just a guilt-ridden one, of pleasing and feeling guilty when going my own way. WIth the current information (verified info by other family members), it is difficult to feel kindness for her anymore. Its kind of numbness at this point. Cant go back and re-do history!
    2- My first husband wants me very badly and appears to cherish and adore me, as evidenced by his discussions with me, our frequent discussions and communications and the several visits we had. He wants me to marry him again but I will definitely live on my own until all the storms pass, and my head is clear. He lives 4 states away, so distance is a blessing in order not to have daily temptation.
    3 As for damaging family- I have no minor children and the one is in college and away from home. It just feels like I have given away my whole life to please others. Do I not follow my heart, and just give up (scene: “Bridges of Madison County”)? We have had 2 years of this long distance connection, and it feels like a stronger soul connection versus weaker, as time goes by. The damage will be to the current husband who needs me for making his life easier and always being there.
    4. The risk of talking this out with current husband, is the extreme reaction, maybe violent, maybe just total emotional collapse on his part. Does pity, fear and guilt over 35 years of marriage, over-ride what I am feeling? The first and current husbands used to be good friends thorugh high school and up to the time of my first marriage and never in contact after that.
    We are all near social security age- it feels illogical and impractical…………but cant stop the feelings.

    #94069
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Nan:

    I read your last post and re-read your original post. What an amazing story you have!

    My comment regarding what you wrote, that you did not have a “bad relationship” with your paternal grandmother who acted as your mother, only a guilt ridden one. A guilt ridden relationship is a bad relationship and one that proves very harmful to you. A relationship that significantly harms you and for so long… was and is a bad relationship.

    I too watched The Bridges of Madison County many times. I own the DVD and love that movie. At the scene when she is riding in her husband’s truck, following Eastwood’s car, when she is considering opening the door, I wanted to scream to her: go, go, go to him!!! How can one not identify with going after the person you love, when that person really loves you, choosing your own happiness.

    The fact that you do not have minor children and none living with you is very significant to me in this context of your thread.

    Is it my understanding that what was with your husband all those years was motivated by your guilt, wanting to please him… that there was no real love there… and that there is no real love there?

    anita

    #94089
    Nan
    Participant

    Through a therapist I had gone to last year for a short while, we determined that I had “married my mother” again. After my divorce at the tender age of 20, I became the wild and crazy girl, who dated anyone and everyone, and knew to give sex to keep them. ( Ah, those 70’s times!) The current husband came back, after hearing of my divorce. Tremendously entertaining, we always were at some club, concert, vacation or other, with all his friends as part of the package. Never really were alone much then, or had a real unselfish connection.
    Then,( about 15 years into it) started feeling “less than” and always pointing out to me, my deficiencies as to looks, housecleaning, making love, etc…..always less than the vapid and shallow other females in the family. Did I say- I have always worked and paid my own car and way in life. Currently, I make twice + what husband makes, own the house we live in and make all the payments for house-related expenses and mortgage. So, as you can see, the collapse of the structure of ” meal ticket” would be very disconcerting to him. I have grown so much these past couple years, and know to love myself first. My first husband has shown me very gently how to love myself first, even if I ultimately did not choose to go to him. His only deepest desire is for me to be happy, though he would want me to be happy with him, by his side.

    I also have the “hand on the handle of the truck” and it crushes me to think of always thinking of others being hurt, and don’t want to be Francesca. What a wasted life. So, I am just waiting for the time and place to fill my heart’s desires. My fear, is that there will always be an excuse, of not the right time or situation, and the years will just keep on going. I aint 30 anymore and there may only be a decade or two of the future left.

    #94235
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Nan:

    You wrote on an earlier post on this thread that there is no way to bring the past back, something to that effect. I agree, of course, there is no way to re-do the past, not any part of it. I had to accept it about my life. So much of my 55 years were wasted in such misery, it is a shame. And it didn’t have to be this way, but it has and there is nothing I can do about it. This kind of acceptance is important. Many if not all people will tell you, if such a conversation takes place, that they “know” that they cannot re-do, undo and re-do the past, but they don’t deeply know it, they still resist it, still trying to undo and re-do and resist lessons that can be still learned…

    If I was you, in your situation with what I know about it based on this one thread, I would make sure that I deeply know, “know-know” as I refer to this kind of knowing, that indeed I cannot undo and redo what already happened.

    And then, from that deep, complete level of understanding and the peace of mind that comes with it, then I will choose what to do next.

    Thinking of Francesca, if I was Francesca I would have opened that truck door at that stop light, and I would have gone into Clint Eastwood’s car, like the wind. I would have done that in a heartbeat. Then I would have regrets about hurting my children and the husband. And I suppose she anticipated those regrets and figured she couldn’t live with those regrets, that guilt. Her kids at the time were young enough. This is very important… although in the movie, it turned out that Francesca staying in the marriage did not benefit her children. Her daughter chose to assert herself and remove herself from a non working relationship only after she found out about her mother’s affair many years before.

    I will stop here and would like to read your next thoughts and continue this discussion. I am fascinated by your real life story and the significance of your struggle!

    anita

    #94242
    Nan
    Participant

    Thank you for your kind words, Anita!
    I am just a few years older than you, so I feel you are of the same generation and thoughts.

    I am very clear that this is not a re-do for sure. We have spoken nearly daily and have gone over the past, even from our childhood and beyond our brief marriage. We cannot bring the past, and cant fix it. We are very cognizant of that. We have discussed and analyzed all the “What If’s of the past.
    Remember that in those days, there was no cell phone or internet. I lived at home, and still was going to college every day. I heard nothing from him, after I left, and was stunned to think it was so trivial, that he didnt make the effort. The stunning thing I found out, was that his calls to my home were blocked and a restraining order against him made out in my name. WHAT? I had no inkling of this. It appears my mother forged my signature, and I was unaware. The story told to him was that I was mentally destroyed and that he abused me and not to come near me. He had watched me from afar for years, and then gave up, married and moved away. It is amazing of him following my life from afar. He knew when I got married, he knew I married his friend, he knew when I moved and where. He knew where I worked, he knew when my only child was born.
    He said he was so afraid, because he thought he “destroyed” me, and wouldnt want me to run away in terror or fear. I literally settled for less later, and married just to do it, since everyone else was, at the age of 27.
    He remembered my birthday forever, he said. He had my birthday date as the number on his league uniforms ( he played softball), and always felt a connection.
    40 years and I never knew this person was watching and waiting. He said he finally overcame his fear on my 60th birthday, searched me on the internet and sent me a birthday card that arrived on my exact birthday. Luckily, I was home alone and got the mail that day. He said he wished me happiness and was deeply sorry for the pain he caused. I WAS STUNNED! Pain? I was the impetuous child girl who left without a thought or a chance for him. I searched and found the return address and phone. I sent a message via FB to call me to clear up this misunderstanding.
    We have talked, cried, laughed, prayed, been with each other for a day or two every 4 months or so. It is such a deep soul connection that has not died, but has intensified. I know that if I love this person like I do, I could lose everything that I Have. I have no idea who this could end up, but in his presence, I don’t even care.
    I will have scary moments and probably lots of anger and abuse thrown my way, and I know it when I open the truck door and go to him. Those ( family) who say they “love” me, really don’t, they just know that I make things convenient and comfortable for them. If they truly loved me, they would want me to find my happiness. Most of my married family life has been ” What about me?” from those around me. My mother also was ” What about me? You owe me!” ,so life kept repeating itself.
    I have a final chance to be loved, adored and cherished for me unconditionally by my first love.
    We do not regret what we have done, we have regret for what we have not done……………………

    #94243
    Nan
    Participant

    As the story goes:
    Rapunzel’s prince did fall from the tower and go blind. Rapunzel did lose her long hair and spent years in exile, but ultimately they found each other. Her tears on his eyes gave him back his sight, and they lived happily ever after, after all. That is the part of story I can witness to now, that our tears might turn into balms with which we can heal each other and comfort each other, after so many years of getting it all wrong…..

    #94246
    Nan
    Participant

    And as the story goes, Rapunzel’s prince fell from the tower and went blind. Rapunzel lost her long hair and was exiled away. Ultimately, they found each other again. Rapunzel’s tears fell upon his eyes and her tears gave him back his sight. They lived happily ever after, after all. That is the part of the story I can witness to now, that our tears might turn into balms with which we heal each other and comfort each other, after so many years of getting it all wrong.

    #94247
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Nan:

    It is clear to me that you have the right to be happy, to love and be loved. You have the right, legal and moral/ ethical,to leave your marriage, to … displease any and all your family members and live with the man you love and who loves you.

    The way I see it, if it is good for you, do it.

    My input about your story: do it. Go live with him. Be honest with all parties about what you are doing, explain just so much to who deserves an explanation, make your explanations simple, short, direct, assertive and deal with all parties respectfully. No unnecessary drama, definitely no blaming others (You don’t want to do to others what was done… so much to you!!!)

    Take care of the legal issues- I suppose you will lose money, but we don’t take money with us when we die…

    What do you think? Am I too impulsive here?

    anita

    #94554
    Nan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,
    Thank you for your opinion and thoughts. Sometimes we just need validation that we aren’t crazy. Illogical yes, but not crazy. Being logical sometimes withers your soul, because it is ” the right thing to do”, even if your heart is aching.

    I have had two years to work through all the “what if’s” legally, financially and emotionally. I worked through all the guilt, as I visioned what a life unloved would look like. I realize that Not to Decide, is to Decide.
    So, I am aware that I may lose much, such as having to pay alimony, due to me making more all these years. I plan to not drag out these issues should they come. I will sell the house, and probably pay to the husband, in lieu of the alimony, and/or to pay for son’s last year of college tuition. I cant take it with me, and am healthy enough to work and continue…..cant take in the coffin with me, no?

    As for the son hating me, oh well! I was the best mom I could be, and literally put my life, interests and time into him as he grew up. He is confident, assured, and is on Dean’s List each and every year so far. I feel that I am still his mom. He has a very loving relationship with his father and me, and that will be what will horrify him, my leaving. I assume he will be bitter and cold towards me for a few years and then maybe come back around. If not, then I will accept that also.
    I don’t feel you are being impulsive with me, I have worked through this for 2 years. I used to waver on the fence, but was confusing guilt and “being needed” with love. I am clear on what I need for my happiness and want it to occur.

    Right now, it’s all about timing……….when,,,,,when ………when…….I have prayed as well as just thrown my dilemma out to the universe, and await the answer. It will be revealed when the time is ready. That is what gives me peace and hope. Also, I have my patient beloved, who only wants my happiness, even if it tore him apart. He is gentle, kind and a beautiful soul, who never pressures or urges me before I am ready. I am stashing little bits of money away to have ready cash to make the leap. Too independent still, to have a man take care of me totally!

    Thank you again for your time and consideration! Never thought I would be in this swirl so late in life, but as the saying goes: ” We make plans, and God laughs!” How true! Just wish I hadn’t wasted 40 years, to find my real soul happiness, in spite of the manipulation and lies I had been given, to destroy my first love those many years ago.
    I don’t have any close girlfriends that would be trusted and nonjudgmental, so this was really helpful to me and bless you!

    #94566
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Nan:

    You are welcome and please, do post anytime! I was wondering about you, after my last post to you.

    About the first two lines of your latest post, about Logic and Emotions. The two should not work separately: it is logical to consider our emotions. It is illogical to see the two as separate entities. We are not robots, we are physiologically animals and animals do not have logic, only emotions to guide them: hungry->look for food, afraid-> run away. As humans we have an additional resource to guide us, logic, but only in addition to emotions.

    It is good that your first and short term husband is gentle and does not pressure you. Regarding the timing, being close to your age, this is what I say to myself every afternoon: “All I have is this afternoon, and maybe this evening. And maybe tonight… And maybe tomorrow morning.” And sometimes I add: “And this is all I have and all I ever had.”

    By this I mean, in the past, all I had is exactly that. There is no set amount of time to begin with and then we go through it. There is never a guarantee for the next day, not even the next moment. This puts gives my age a different meaning. What do you think about this…?

    anita

    #94689
    Nan
    Participant

    HI Anita,
    I know we need to focus on the present, “Be Here Now”. But we look to the future with hope, faith and planning for it.
    If I was 30, then I could delay and delay, thinking we could wait, since we had plenty of time of the future. So, I take one day at a time. Grateful for the insight that an unconditional love brings to me. even now, so late in life. Never experienced that before. SO, just putting one foot in front of the other each day. Emotionally sleepwalking. waiting for the day to be released from the fake life I am currently living.

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