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October 24, 2022 at 9:42 am #408978TeeParticipant
Dear Katrine,
I’ve first heard of Dr. Lepera here on tinybuddha, and recently I’ve come across her youtube videos – and I am loving them! Lots of material on healing the inner child, responding to triggers, healing trauma etc. Very simple and easy to understand. I highly recommend it!
October 27, 2022 at 7:45 am #409126Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
I’ll check it out I need all the help I need. As much as a relief it was to finally receive the right diagnosis last year, I was also devastating since after 20 years of hard work now I had to start all over again.
I was only treated for anxiety and told I just needed to get out of my comfort zone and challenge myself, which didn’t make my anxiety less but actually worse. I always had a feeling that there was more to it but nobody thought there was. At least since getting the right diagnosis things are moving forward. I would never have had the experience with the guy earlier this year if I had not been aware of the way i react, and try something new.
I’m also going to look at the situation with the cute guy and cherish the good moments. The fact that of all the women working there I was the one that stood out to him. I have learn a lot and I still have changes to grow since we still work together so there are many chances to challange myself.
October 27, 2022 at 9:51 am #409130TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
As much as a relief it was to finally receive the right diagnosis last year, I was also devastating since after 20 years of hard work now I had to start all over again.
I know what you mean. Although I started working on myself years ago, I felt pretty stuck for quite a long time and couldn’t stop some of my negative habits. Then I switched therapists, and when I needed to explain my problems all over again to my new therapist, I felt so defeated. Like, why am I still here, why haven’t I made more progress?? I felt so defeated that I gave up therapy altogether and picked up only later, perhaps 5-6 years down the line. And then things started moving, finally…
I was only treated for anxiety and told I just needed to get out of my comfort zone and challenge myself, which didn’t make my anxiety less but actually worse.
That was bad therapy – to treat anxiety with “exposure therapy”, without addressing the underlying issues. In my case, I don’t think that my therapist was inadequate, it’s just that I had so much resistance. Perhaps if I had known the concept of the inner child then, it would have made a difference. But I didn’t, and I had so much trouble talking to myself with compassion. My inner critic was so strong and it just kept me paralyzed. The only true shift started when I was able to get in touch with that innocent child within me and see her/myself with compassion… only then did I manage to silence the voice of the inner critic.
At least since getting the right diagnosis things are moving forward.
That’s great! Be patient with yourself though… because you can’t change in one year what has been accumulating for more than 20 years of your life. Small steps, baby steps, and a lot of patience and self-compassion. At least that’s the only way I know.
Of course, besides having a lot of patience and self-compassion, you can also add some practical steps, such as a daily self-care routine, journaling (specially when you are triggered) and things like that. Dr. Lepera suggests a practice called Future Self journaling, where you envision your future self. I find it quite useful too.
I’m also going to look at the situation with the cute guy and cherish the good moments. The fact that of all the women working there I was the one that stood out to him. I have learn a lot and I still have changes to grow since we still work together so there are many chances to challange myself.
That’s a good attitude. Cherish the good moments, and yes, see it as a challenge: how to stay relatively calm and not too activated in his presence. And if you do get activated, notice your triggers, journal about it, etc… In fact, maybe if instead of a challenge you see it more like a game (something like “let’s see how I’ll react to him today”) and take it less seriously, maybe it would make things easier? Because that would take off some pressure of yourself to behave “perfectly”…
October 27, 2022 at 2:35 pm #409142Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
I know exactly what you mean. Doing therapy without seeing progress is so defeating. It makes you feel so broken at least it did for me. I spend most my life trying to fix myself so I could be normal like everybody else.
Yes not good therapy. I was forced from a young age to do things that was way too overwhelming for me, and I wasn’t ready for it. That’s the thing when it is mental, people expect you to go from 0-100 and if you can’t they say it’s because you don’t have the will.
People didn’t (and still to this day) respect my boundries. Which is one of the reasons my i am so hard on myself. I was always told just to push myself harder and that it was not okay to say no because that way your anxiety wind. So listening to my body and giving it rest when it needs is super important. Be my own gatekeeper and if my body is giving me the red light, people should’t try and convince me that it’s a green light.
Seeing the situation with the guy as a game to take the pressure off, is a really good idea! That would make it a lot easier. Same with empathy and compassion. Towards him and myself. We both have a lot of trauma. His worse than mine. As my guy colleague who works with him said, you both have the exact same behaviour just not at the same time. Which is true, one pursues the other shuts down and then we’d swap.
I have felt very help less in terms of feeling like it was out of my control. But there were soo many times were he trying to conect with me but I didn’t have the courage to take the chance.
I should have stayed that day in the bar where i got jaloux because the girl was hitting on him. He wasn’t flirting back.
The day he came to my little housewarming he forgot his hat and wrote me about it after. I wanted to ask him if he wanted to come back for it (then we would have been alone at my house) but I was scared that he might reject it, so i just told him i would bring it to him.
Him indicating that he wanted to have a drink with me before going to our friends housewarming, but I was too anxious to say yes and I could tell he felt abit rejected.
And the turkish restaurant just to name a few. There were many times where I could have Challenge myself but I was too scared. It helps think i g about because it gives me some sense of control back. Sometimes we want something so badly but just aren’t able to take the neccesary steps to actually making it happen.
October 28, 2022 at 9:53 am #409166TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I was forced from a young age to do things that was way too overwhelming for me, and I wasn’t ready for it. That’s the thing when it is mental, people expect you to go from 0-100 and if you can’t they say it’s because you don’t have the will.
You mean mental as opposed to a physical problem? I am guessing that it was different with your sister, who had a physical/neurological disease. She probably wasn’t expected to simply “heal” with the power of her will. And she wasn’t criticized that she was weak when she didn’t succeed, was she?
Am I sensing this correctly that there is wound there related to a different treatment that you and your sister received? Your problems were minimized and you were told to “just get over it”. While your sister got your parents’ full attention. And they never minimized her problems, but took them seriously, right?
People didn’t (and still to this day) respect my boundaries. Which is one of the reasons why i am so hard on myself. I was always told just to push myself harder and that it was not okay to say no because that way your anxiety wins.
I understand. Your boundaries, or rather, your limitations weren’t respected. For example, you were pushed to do a presentation at school, even if you felt horribly anxious. While your sister’s limitations were respected, I guess. Nobody pushed her to do things she wasn’t able to do.
Maybe I am reading too much into this, but perhaps there is another layer of pain – namely not receiving the same kind of care and attention as your sister, even though you too had significant issues and challenges, only of a different type?
So listening to my body and giving it rest when it needs is super important. Be my own gatekeeper and if my body is giving me the red light, people should’t try and convince me that it’s a green light.
That’s true! For example, you shouldn’t be pushing yourself to work overtime. Recently you said: I am working 11 days in a row to help pay for this treatment so not a lot of rest. That’s an example of pushing yourself too hard and not paying attention to your physical limitations. I mean, assuming that it wasn’t your supervisor who forced you to work 11 days in a row, but that it who you who chose to, to pay off your debt sooner?
October 30, 2022 at 10:27 am #409343Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
For the first 7 years where we were trying to get a diagnose she was told to just get over it and that she was probably faking it for attention. But after she got her surgery, people respected her and I was told too just push harder.
Yeah I had to pretty much deal with it on my own.
I asked for extra shifts to pay it off, cuz I really just want it out of the way.
October 30, 2022 at 10:42 am #409346TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
For the first 7 years where we were trying to get a diagnose she was told to just get over it and that she was probably faking it for attention.
Oh I see… I do remember that your fraternal grandmother thought your sister was faking it, so after a while you stopped communicating with her. How did your parents treat you sister? Did they too tell her to just get over it, during those first 7 years?
I asked for extra shifts to pay it off, cuz I really just want it out of the way.
I understand… perhaps still, listen to your own advice and pay more attention to your physical limitations (“listening to my body and giving it rest when it needs is super important“)… because 11 days in a row is a lot, and it may even bring about another bout of pain if you push yourself too hard!
October 30, 2022 at 4:06 pm #409361Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
No my parents were always 100% sure that there was something physically wrong but because they doctors couldn’t figure out what they kept saying it’s was just a teenage girl trying to get attention. But my parents did treat me different than my sister, they didn’t have the recoursses to deal with two sick children and so I had to fight my own battles. I don’t really remember that much from my life I have been told stuff by other people. I do remember that whrn ever my sister or family member would hurt me they didn’t really want to deal with it, so they always told me to forget about it.
Like when I was ten I got a pet bird and when I told my grandmother she called me an animals abuser. I went home crying but was told to not think about it. Same with my sister, the didn’t defend me because they knew she would trow a rage fit and the didn’t have energy to deal with it. That makes you feel worthless. Like it’s okay for other people to hurt you, you are not worth protecting.
The seven days I just did although busy wasn’t really that bad. I have gotten a bit more sleep, I am not in pain any more i went out with some friends from work. I also think it helped that the girl (the one adding pressure on me before my yoga date with the cute guy) is working temp in another country until december. So there’s not the drama triangel at the moment, and it makes me feel more relaxed.
October 31, 2022 at 2:35 am #409378TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
My parents did treat me different than my sister, they didn’t have the resources to deal with two sick children and so I had to fight my own battles.
Whenever my sister or family member would hurt me they didn’t really want to deal with it, so they always told me to forget about it. Like when I was ten I got a pet bird and when I told my grandmother she called me an animals abuser. I went home crying but was told to not think about it. That makes you feel worthless. Like it’s okay for other people to hurt you, you are not worth protecting.
I understand. I mean, even if your sister’s symptoms were “bigger” and more severe, and the care of your sister took a lot of their time and energy, it was wrong of your parents to not react in situations like with the pet bird. Because your grandmother behaved horribly, accusing you of being an animal abuser (!), and your parents should have called her out on that. They should have not only spoken with her, but they should have also told you that it wasn’t right from the granny to tell you this, and they should have reassured you that you’re not an animal abuser, and that owning a pet bird doesn’t mean animal abuse.
So they should have reacted because it was clearly child abuse at the hands of your grandmother. It was really mean and harmful to tell such a thing to a child!
I understand how unworthy you must have felt – because as you said, it’s like “we don’t care about you, we don’t care how horribly someone treats you. You’re not important.” The message you got is that you’re not important, and that’s probably one of the key core beliefs that you developed about yourself.
Your parents’ failure to protect you from verbal and emotional abuse by others left you vulnerable and helpless around people, which probably added to your anxiety. Maybe that’s why you were so afraid to ride on a bus, for example. So it could be that their negligence directly contributed to your anxiety. In addition to that is the message “you are not worthy”, or “you are less worthy than others”, which is the conclusion you draw based on their negligence.
Of course, it’s a false conclusion, because you are as worthy as anybody else… I hope you can see it and accept it, slowly but surely.
I am glad this past week was relatively good for you, that you got more sleep and weren’t in pain. And also that you felt more relaxed when going out with your friends from work.
October 31, 2022 at 7:17 am #409389Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
It was really hard. Because it’s not just that people hurt me but that nobody seem to care that they hurt me. That’s something that sticks, and makes sense that I never feel like the people closests to me don’t actually care about me. I don’t even like celebraating my birthday, I feel like my friends would only go because they would feel obligated. That feeling is very rooted in me.
Last week at work was good. I’m off for three days now and I’m making sure to rest, go out with a friend and get some of the stuff off of my to do list before my four 12 hour shifts.
October 31, 2022 at 9:50 am #409395TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
it’s not just that people hurt me but that nobody seem to care that they hurt me.
I remember you talking about your work colleagues, who promised to fix you up with your love interest, but then feeling very cozy around him after they get drunk. Like, when they get drunk, they start being “too friendly” with him, and you feel jealous. You feel like they’ve betrayed you… Do I remember this right?
October 31, 2022 at 11:02 am #409398Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
Yes they were all we have your back, we will help you out! Which to me felt like weight being talen off of my shoulders, because I felt that it would take off the pressure and my performance anxiety (wanting to show off my personality to him, which I can’t because I become paralysed with anxiety)
Yes I feel very betrayed by them. They get drunk and they start touching him and dansing around him, and talking about him and his birthday party in a place where a can hear them when they know how I feel. I know that there’s nothing romantic going on between them but I still feel like I have been betrayed. I struggle a lot with trust.
October 31, 2022 at 1:02 pm #409404TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
Yes they were all we have your back, we will help you out!
Have you actually asked them if they have spoken to him about you, and what did he say?
You said one of your work colleagues, who is currently working in another country till December, had been putting pressure on your before the yoga date. What kind of pressure was she putting? Was she encouraging you to talk to him? Did she promise she’d talk to him, but she never did?
A couple of weeks ago, that same girl invited everyone to join her for drinks after work, but she didn’t invite you. And you felt excluded and rejected:
one of the girls (the one adding pressure on me before the date) asking people to join her after work for drinks (last friday and today) but didn’t included me. Do now i feel both heartbroken and like i am slowly being cut off for some reason.
Another problem is that when your female colleagues get drunk, they “start touching him and dancing around him, and talking about him and his birthday party in a place where I can hear them when they know how I feel“.
I am sensing some insincerity on their part, specially from the colleague who is now in another country. If she promised to help you, or was encouraging you to approach him, and then a few days later didn’t invite you to go to drinks with the rest of the group – that’s insincere.
Another problem is their partying habits: it seems these girls regularly get drunk, perhaps not to the point of oblivion, but definitely to the point of not having too many inhibitions. And then they do and say things they wouldn’t when they are sober. You being there in their vicinity only hurts you.
I think you should rethink hanging out with these people (or confiding in them either). First, because they might be insincere. And second, because they make a mess of themselves when they drink, and you don’t really need to witness that…
November 1, 2022 at 2:16 am #409410TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I want to add something to my last post, because I am sensing not just insincerity from that colleague, but also that she doesn’t really care about you. So I am expanding this sentence from my previous post:
If she promised to help you, or was encouraging you to approach him, and then a few days later didn’t invite you to go to drinks with the rest of the group – that’s insincere AND shows that she doesn’t care about you.
When they talk about him and his birthday party while you can hear them – that’s very inconsiderate too. (btw does this happen when they are drunk or sober?) Pretending they are on your side, rooting for you to get together with him, and then disregarding your feelings just a short while later!
No wonder you feel that “it’s not just that people hurt me but that nobody seem to care that they hurt me.”
These particular girls don’t seem to care about you and they don’t seem to care if they hurt you. And because of that, I think you should stop hanging around with them and confiding in them.
I struggle a lot with trust.
I think you shouldn’t trust these girls!
However, it doesn’t mean that EVERYONE is like that – uncaring, selfish, disregards your feelings. There are people who do care and are true friends, but maybe you still haven’t met them.
In your childhood, you concluded that your parents don’t care about you, because of their failure to protect you. You also concluded that you’re not important, that you’re less worthy than others.
These became your core false beliefs: “I am not important”, “Nobody cares about me”, “I am unworthy”.
And now, you seem to be playing out this same narrative with these co-workers of yours. You are hoping that they’d care about you, but they don’t. They don’t care too much when they’re sober either, but they care even less when they’re drunk. And each time you interact with them, your childhood wound gets reopened. You feel again and again how worthless you are, and how nobody cares about you. Your false core belief is reaffirmed each time you interact with them and expect something from them.
Once you heal this childhood wound, you’ll be able to distance yourself from them and not expect anything from them. You’ll be able to find another company, in which you’ll feel more cared for and respected.
November 2, 2022 at 7:20 am #409457Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
I haven’t asked if they have talked to him about me. The girl who added pressure kept asking me about him everyday, and saying things like if nothing happens on this first date you move on and forget about him. If it doesn’t happen now it never will you are too different. It added way too much pressure on me because this is the erea that i struggle the most. I get paralysed with anxiety cuz I really wanted to show my personality, and she wrote me just before meeting him like tell me how it goes. And then he invited his brother along to be the yoga instructor and that was where my anxiety exploded. It caused me to see everything on the date in a negative way, but talking about it to my friends who knows him they were shocked that I didn’t pick up on the fact that he wanted me to eat at the restaurant with him.
I told them about what has happened between us (back in june/july) and they said all the signs that he liked me was there but they never included me on there out tings. My friends thinks he started be coming friends with my friends to come closer to me. The first day we all went to a pub together (before they knew i liked him) they invited me to go with them(which made me happy that they asked me) the day after they told the cute guy that we were going to a pub with me and two other boys and if he liked to join which he did. He already had plans that day but joined us and even stayed with us even though he had to be with the others. He looked at me and said that this was very nice and we should definitly do it again which i agreed on. So I really thought we would do that again but didn’t happen.
Yes, they do drink way too much and do stupid stuff, I don’t like that. I have started swing other people at work outside of work to get a bigger friend circle that is better for me because I am extremely dissapointed about their behaviour.
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