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  • #376790
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jenny:

    I am fine, thank you. I mentioned to you earlier that I recovered from my first Covid vaccine shot- well, I recently had my second Pfizer shot and the only side-effect I experienced was a really good feeling!

    I am glad you stopped by to discuss your most recent feelings regarding R. You referred to what you’ve been feeling as “very weird”. I don’t perceive your feelings of attachment to him, the desire that he reaches out to you, as weird. This is how I understand it:

    At one point, I suggested referring to this man as R, standing for Rude, an adjective that he earned by his behavior toward you. There was another person who was rude to you, a person who did not have the right to be rude to you any more than R had that right. I am referring to your mother: “my mom.. said personal hurtful things… she shouted at me” (Feb 3).

    As a child, you were naturally very attached to your mother and therefore, very hurt when she was rude to you. You tried to change her mind and heart about you so that she will be nice to you, instead of being rude. Fast forward, R resembles your mother in that he too is rude to you. This triggers your early-life desire to change his mind and heart about you so that he will be nice to you, instead of being rude. This desire is still active in you.

    Notice this: if you meet a guy who is very nice to you and is not similar to your mother in any way, that guy is not likely to trigger this desire, or an attachment to him. Isn’t that something?

    anita

    #376791
    jenny
    Participant

    That’s great Anita. My parents also got their first vaccination shot and are feeling the same.

    What you’re saying makes a lot of sense, the analogy between my mother and R, that is. Also, the fact about a guy unlike both of them, not making me feel that attachment, very true. I think I also had fallen in the ‘running after people who are emotionally unavailable to me’ trap.

    But then, my question is,
    – How do I come out of this ‘desire’? I am talking about my parents and childhood with a therapist and things are coming up and getting a little detangled slowly but surely, so when I hopefully detangle all of my childhood knots, will this desire and attachment related to R also go away or do I need to do something else for this?

    Lastly, I think I’m also putting too high an expectation. I remember in the earlier posts both Peter and you helped me see how my desire to erase R and all the memories is unrealistic. He’s a past part of my life and I’ve to move forward from that, not fight it. I feel now that as long as I am able to think of him as my past and go about my day without his thought impeding me in any substantial way, I’m good. And there, I’ve already reached. So maybe I should also stop fretting so much and finding some meaning behind every passing thought about him. What do you think?

    Love,

    Jenny

    #376792
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jenny:

    “How do I come out of this ‘desire’?”- first, you will need to truly appreciate this desire in regard to your mother,  as the intense, genuine, real early-life desire that it has been for so long (not a “desire”- the quotation marks indicating to me that you are not yet aware of how real and intense this desire has been in its origin, in the context of your early life relationship with your mother).

    “when I hopefully detangle all of my childhood knots, will this desire and attachment related to R also go away or do I need to do something else for this?”- an intellectual detangling of childhood knots is only a beginning. The emotional detangling takes much more time and is a long,  ongoing process.

    At  one point on, you will need to understand on a deep, emotional level, that your mother really was Rude and that at the time she was rude to you, you loved her whole heartedly, and in no way, did you deserve her rudeness. When your child self in this new way, and believe what you see, then you will lose the attraction to R, to other rude men.. and you will lose what must be habitual for you: to still try to get your mother to see you in a good light.

    anita

    #376866
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Jenny,

    I am late to your thread and have been trying to catch up. I am glad you’re in a better place now than you’ve been before. You’ve had a very productive discussion with Anita, and now many things are clearer to you, and you feel much better about yourself. But there’s still something troubling you, as you say: you’re almost missing his calls now that you’ve changed your number. You feel rejected all over again (it’s as if he left me all over again). You’re surprised that he isn’t trying something to reach you (now I am wondering why is he not doing something to reach out), and you’re a little disappointed, or sad, that he might be moving on.

    In February 2021, you said to Anita:

    What I definitely did want was for him to see that I am not the needy clingy woman that he thought me to be when he left. I wanted him to see that I am one High Value woman that HE LOST. I wanted him to feel a sense of LOSING a girl who really loved him and was special.

    When Anita asked you if you don’t feel worthy enough, you said you do – you do feel worthy to your parents, to your friends and co-workers, but it’s just this one man that humiliated you and took all of your pride.

    In many of your posts, you were actually stressing how valuable and special you are, but that he refused to acknowledge it. That’s why you felt angry and offended at him. You were specially offended that he called you a child:

    “I feel so insulted when I remember he said that I am a child. I can imagine him thinking he was right about me and that I am just an immature girl which I am not Anita. He has the audacity to behave whichever way and then why I have one slip-up he has the audacity to pass such statements on me. I am just insulted Anita, feel just very insulted by someone who should’ve by now been regretting losing me instead of calling me a child.”

    “I mean he has made me feel like such an argumentative, crying, weak woman. And now he’s calling me a child as if I am some immature person that needs growing up.”

    You also said, in one of your earlier posts: But my biggest fear is that tomorrow I’ll see him have a perfect life with another girl and it will reiterate that I was the one who was at fault.

    Based on what you’ve expressed, it seems to me that you do have self-respect and value yourself, however you didn’t get that respect from your mother. She was criticizing you for slouching, and you would protest: “you can’t talk to me like that.” You demanded respect from your mother, and would argue about it with her (you said you were rude, to match her rudeness), but you never got her respect. You didn’t get respect from your father either because he never stood in your defense, but your main wound is with your mother. She treated you like an immature child, while you wanted to be treated respectfully, like an adult. (I wonder if there were other ways in which she criticized you or where you felt humiliated, beside slouching?)

    I believe that you do value yourself, but you wish she’d value you too. And that desire – to be valued and respected – you transferred to your boyfriend. There’s still a part of you – the wounded inner child – where you aren’t sure that you’re worthy, because you didn’t get your parents’ (specially your mother’s) confirmation. You think you are, but you’re not sure. That’s why you said your biggest fear is that it would turn out that you were the one who was at fault, and that there’s nothing wrong with him. That’s your inner child insecure of its worth. It has to have it confirmed by other people.

    You found a man who reminds you in some aspects of your mother, and you were trying to get his confirmation. But instead, he humiliated you most of the time. You would beg him to show you some respect, but to no avail. He would be even more cruel. He didn’t want to give you that one thing that you craved so much: the confirmation that you’re valuable and special.

    What’s the way out? To understand with your entire being that indeed, you are valuable and special. To give that confirmation to your inner child, and not expect it from other people. I believe this is what’s missing for you to heal and really let go of him.

    Tell me what you think and if it resonates with you.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by Tee.
    #381830
    jenny
    Participant

    Hi TeaK,

    How’re you? Thank you for going through my thread. I’m sorry I didn’t see your post earlier. What you’re saying makes a lot of sense. I kept thinking that I had no self-esteem but now that I think about it, why would I feel bad about being disrespected by my mother or my ex, for that matter, if I had no sense of self-respect. Exactly as you said, I think I did think I was valuable but wasn’t sure and so stayed in self-doubt where I would feel bad over disrespect but would often wind up seeing it as my fault. Thank You for the insight. As you must have read, I’ve been seeing a therapist to detangle stuff from my childhood. I think I’ll discuss what you pointed out with her too and get back to you. Thank You.

    Jenny

     

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by jenny.
    #381832
    jenny
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    How have you been? I hope your recovery from the second vaccine shot was well. I just thought about you today and so felt like talking.

    Things have been quite stable Anita. Ever since my number change, R did try getting in contact through social media a couple times, but I didn’t respond at all and I feel peaceful. I started my singing lessons a while back and on the whole I feel really good.

    With the therapist also, I think I’ve benefitted a lot. We spoke a lot. Just saying out a lot of things felt like a burden was off my shoulders. Things with my parents are also quite better. They were good on the surface since many years but now, internally also, I don’t feel the kind of resentment that I did earlier. One thing that my therapist said really stuck with me and helped me clear things. She told me that I had created perfect images of my parents in my mind, an ideal image, similar to my tendency of even idealising their love. She told me that one way in which I can resolve my hurt is acknowledging that what my mom did as wrong, understanding that she did unjustifiably disrespect and compare me. And then understanding that she’s also human, she made a mistake, she’s not perfect and to forgive her and let this go. This really helped me, seeing my parents as fellow humans with their own faults and good things instead of putting them on a pedestal as my parents, really helped.

    On the issue of R, I am quite healed I think now. It’s been close to two years now to the breakup, around a month to his last attempt at reaching out to me and now my obsessive thoughts have almost come to a close. Honestly, partly that was because I just grew tired of thinking in circles. Eventually I realised that I can bang my head against a wall but still wouldn’t have answers to many questions and moving on with my life, doing good for myself in my life is more important than finding answers to questions that have no relevance anymore. So, I’m focussing on my life. I’d read somewhere that as humans, we’re both quite limited in our power and quite limitless. Limited in the sense that we cannot control external circumstances or in my case figure out the why’s and the how’s of other people’s actions. But limitless in the sense that we have total control over our own life and can make whatever we want of it. So I remind myself of that if I ever find myself even so much as drifting to thoughts about R.

    I just thought I’ll update you about all this.
    Thank You again Anita for all the help.

    Jenny.

    #381836
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear jenny:

    Welcome back, what a pleasant surprise to read from you again, close to three months since your last post! I am fine, thank you. Following my second Pfizer shot last March, when we last communicated, the only side-effect I experienced was euphoria for a few days. I am thrilled that I got vaccinated and I hope that everyone who did not yet, will get vaccinated soon, (against Covid and all other viral diseases for which vaccines exist).

    You shared in your update today that you started singing lessons, that things with your parents are better, not only on the surface, but internally, as you don’t feel “the kind of resentment” that you once did. You shared that you spoke a lot with your therapist, and she told you that you had created perfect, ideal images of your parents in you mind, idealizing their love, and that one way for you can resolve your hurt is to acknowledge that your mother did you wrong when she disrespected you and compared you unfavorably to others, and that “she’s also human, she made a mistake, she’s not perfect and to forgive her and let this go”. Therapy really helped you, you wrote, and seeing your parents as fellow humans with their own faults, instead of putting them on a pedestal, really helped you.

    You shared that R contacted you a couple of times through social media but you did not respond and you feel peaceful about it, and that in regard to him, you are “quite healed”, your “obsessive thoughts have almost come to a close”. You realize the following: “doing good for myself in my life is more important than finding answers to questions that have no relevance anymore”, figuring out “the why’s and the how’s of other people’s actions”, “So, I’m focusing on my life”, aiming to have control over your own life and make what you want of it.

    I took some time before posting to you today to read our previous communication that started September 2, 2020. This is why I will be submitting this post more than 3 hours after your update. I wanted to refresh my memory so to better appreciate your update, and indeed I better appreciate it: glad to read that you are focusing on your life, aiming to control what is under your control and let go of what is not.

    Please do return to your thread any time you want to, or you can start a new thread where you focus on what is under your control- but only if you want to, only if and for as long as it is helpful to you. I am so glad to read from you!

    anita

    #381839
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Jenny,

    good to read from you! I am glad you’re doing good, not obsessing about him, and instead, focusing on your own life, doing things you enjoy, such as singing. It seems you’re much more in control of your life and able to regulate your emotions, and this gives you a sense of power and peace. That’s great!

    Regarding your self-esteem, now that I think about it again, it could be that what you had was self-confidence – in that you saw yourself as successful in other areas of your life, such as career and friends, and you felt pretty good about yourself because of that. But deep down, you probably did lack self-esteem, because that’s a core characteristic that is formed in our relationship with our parents. If you haven’t felt special and valued by your parents, if you were criticized a lot, your self-esteem couldn’t have developed properly.

    Self-esteem runs deeper than self-confidence. It’s that deep sense of worth, a sense that we’re valuable, just because we exist. It doesn’t depend on any outer achievement. It could be that deep down you did lack self-esteem, and needed your mother (i.e. your boyfriend) to give it to you – to tell you and show you that indeed, you are special to him. That was your inner child desperate for validation. The way out is what I said earlier – to see yourself as valuable and special, and not expect validation from other people, including romantic partners.

    How is your own sense of worth at the moment? Do you see yourself as valuable and special – not because of any outer accomplishment but just because?

     

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