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    Mary899
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    It’s been over a year since an ex friend stopped talking to be all together because somebody (a girl who had gotten into a fight with me) had told her I had been saying nasty things about her. A year has gone by and I know I’m probably never going to see her again, however it seems as if I still cannot shake off the resentment, thinking how she didn’t even bother to ask me if I had indeed said those things. Apparently she’d been telling everyone that I owed her an apology. Oh well. For a long time I was her only friend in college, until the “cool kids” decided to take her in and throw me out…and I simply do not know why I can’t let go. I’ve got a couple of kind, supportive friends whose company I truly enjoy, and tbh I never grew to like her that much since the beginning…I mean, nobody in our class liked her that much. Anyway, it’s been a couple of nights since I’ve been dreaming the same dream over and over. She’s standing somewhere and I approach to talk to her, telling her that I don’t want to leave college not being on speaking terms with her. She gives me this contemptuous, disdainful look (as she sometimes did after our growing apart) and says it is common knowledge what a lying hypocrite I am.

    Needless to say this dream is extremely disturbing.

    I wish there was a way I could stop dreaming this….I guess there is a part in me which is afraid of her hurting me, however this would be very illogical as I’m probably never gonna see her again.

    Will the passage of still more time solve this?

    What can I do to let go?

    #222829
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Mary899,

    The worst thing someone who needs help can do is to offer somebody help (according to the latter). She could be recovering from a “Who do you think you are” syndrome herself. Not saying you needed help, but maybe, just maybe, she thought you were a loner with few friends yourself. So you two are in college, and you, another nice loner girl, offers to be her friend. She picks up the vibe that YOU feel sorry for HER! She hates that. She can’t live it down. Then her people, her “real” people, the cool kids, recognize who she is at last. She is free!!

    Fast forward to when a new frienemy spreads ugly rumors about you. Your friend couldn’t just dump you without an excuse in the past. Here’s her chance! She leaps at it. Thus the dreams.

    The answer? Time, time, and more time. I would write her a note that says you never said those things, and that one day she may see the girl’s true nature for herself. One day she may look back on your college days fondly. She may discover this other girl’s true colors (she’ll be expecting something to happen because of your note). These things happen.

    Best,

    Inky

    #222833
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mary:

    August last year you wrote: “As a child I was emotionally punished for being anything less than perfect in all areas of life. I was also punished for things that I hadn’t done or were not responsible for such as my mother’s mental illness”

    January of this year, you wrote: “The angry person may not hold a physical threat, but nevertheless he/she has the potential to belittle me, scold me or talk behind my back, resulting in me feeling powerless and inadequate”.

    My interpretation of your dream:

    “She’s standing somewhere and I approach to talk to her, telling her I don’t want to leave college not being on speaking terms with her”- she, this student, may represent your mother, angry with you, and you are reaching out to her: mom, don’t be angry with me! Please don’t be angry with me! I don’t, I won’t leave home when you are angry with me!

    “She gives me this contemptuous, disdainful look.. and says it is common knowledge what a lying hypocrite I am”- your mother response to your pleas is not to smile at you kindly, take you into her arms gently, say to you: it is okay. I love you. You are a good girl!

    Instead, she looks at you angrily, tells you or someone else, in your presence, or behind your back, that you are a bad girl.

    Is my interpretation true to any extent?

    anita

     

    #222845
    Peter
    Participant

    She’s standing somewhere and I approach to talk to her, telling her that I don’t want to leave college not being on speaking terms with her. She gives me this contemptuous, disdainful look (as she sometimes did after our growing apart) and says it is common knowledge what a lying hypocrite I am.

    In dream interpretation the people we dream about can represent attributes of the dreamer. (the image of your ex is projected into the dream via your unconscious so is almost always about the dreamer. Dreams communicate via images that mean something to the dream and can point to areas in the dreamer’s life that the unconscious wishes to make conscious. Making the issue conscious will end the dream)

    The question to ask yourself is what associations (words) come to mind that your ex might symbolize. Love lost, Contempt, hypocrisy’s…. How might those associations relate to leaving college: Associations to the word/symbol College, what you learned, your expectation of how life should work… what you imagined you would be, do

    If this were my dream I would wonder if there wasn’t some tension between what I was taught and how life is presenting itself.
    Do I trust the idea of Love? Are there any areas in my life were my actions don’t match my values? Am I trying to force life to conform to how I was taught it should be, want it to be? Could this dissidence be impacting relationships and or my expectations of love?

    #222901
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear Inky,

    Thank you for your reply.

    It is interesting how I, too, have drawn the conclusion as you. Indeed she seemed to be suffering from the “who do you think you are” syndrome. However, taking the matters in this way leaves me almost blameless, and it seems as if I’m not, however unconsciously, willing to let myself pass that easily. Not having sth to feel guilty about seems uncomfortable at times.

    I did write her a note saying I hadn’t said those things and that she knew both me and that girl…she saw the note but never replied. I guess I have done everything I could do though..

    Thank you again.

    Mary

     

    #222905
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    Thank you for your reply.

    With regards to my mom…there finally came a point that I realized I could no longer continue living like that, so I got a job which requires me to be away from home most of the time. Also my relationship with my mom has shown signs of improvement.

    However, as I wrote in my reply to Inky it seems as if I find in uncomfortable not to have sth to worry about…either it’s my job, my mother, my grandmother’s health issues, my falling behind my studies…and whenever other things seem to be working out perfectly, I go back to feeling guilty and worrying about my failed friendships.

    Mary

    #222911
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear Peter,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Just to clear things up, the relationship that I wrote about had nothing to do with romantic love…it was just a normal “friendship”.

    I do agree that the experiences that I went through in college didn’t quite match up with what I was previously taught about life. I used to believe being nice to people would always mean they’ll be nice to you in return. Apparently I was wrong, and apparently I’m having a hard time adapting my perspective to the reality  of life.

    Mary

    #222937
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Mary

    Of course our relationship to our idea and experience of love has many layers.. family , friendship,  romantic, self… Universial

    The commandment to love our neighbor as ourselves, at first glance seems straight forward, yet what does it mean to love ourselves and how does that relate to how we love others. When you look at what it means to love how fortunate we are that the command was not to like our neighbor as ourselves. We can love someone we do not like, even those that who hurt us (even if that means the relationship end… and if we understand love) so much more difficult to like someone we do not love.

    I feel that is what we work for in the practice, I feel that is how we love ourselves even when we don’t  always like ourselves.  In such a state of being we are “nice” because that is who we are, our authentic selves, and being authentic enough.

    Just finished a book called -Touching the World A Blind Woman Two Wheels 25000 Miles – about a motorcycle road trip around the world. Everywhere they went they were told to be careful, the people in such a such nation were bad and yet they found that everywhere they went people were people just like them.

    Taped to the bikes windshield was a note: What you see  depends on what you look for.  By  the end of their travels they added the word mostly, the were not blind to the reality of the road, yet at a personal level it proved true over and over. When they needed help, help was their, when they needed kindness, kindness was their. Crossing the world it was a authentic smile, a wave and good hummer more then anything helped them navigate their way through.

    My experience has been the same, the car goes where the eyes go.

    #222969
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mary:

    In a recent post you wrote: “…what I was previously taught about life. I used to believe being nice to people would always mean they’ll be nice to you in return. Apparently I was wrong”

    In a previous post (August last year), you wrote: “As a child I was emotionally punished for being anything less than perfect… I was also punished for things that I hadn’t done or were not responsible for”

    The most powerful teaching in our lives is what our mother teaches us, and your mother did not teach you that “being nice to people would always mean they’ll be nice to you in return”. You were nice to her, I have no doubt, as young children want nothing more intensely than to please their parents. And in return she punished you. She wasn’t nice to you in return.

    In a recent post you wrote “With regards to my mom.. there finally came a point that I realized I could no longer continue living like that”- if she was nice to you in return, there wouldn’t be that suffering on your part, making life so difficult for you.

    I think that this “same disturbing dream” is about your mother. What do you think?

    anita

    #222971
    Anonymous
    Guest

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    #223049
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear Peter,

    Your note reminded me of a notion which I truly want to believe in…that what we focus on expands. You are right…I guess instead of  putting my focus on how much I “dislike” a cetrain person who has hurt me, I need to try to “love” them as a small part of the entire creation. This will automatically remove all the traces of doubt and fear, and will be for my own good in the long run.

     

    Thank you for your moving words.

    Mary

     

     

    #223051
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    It may indeed be about my mother…an old pattern which is going to keep repeating itself in various forms for God knows how long.

    I really liked the suggestion implies from Peter’s reply though, that we should try to love those who hurt us, even if it means that the relationship needs to come to an end.

    Do you have any other suggestions about the things I can do in order to deal with being hurt by others?  If you don’t mind answering: What do you do, how do you arrange your thoughts when sb has hurt you?

     

    Mary

     

    #223053
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    It may indeed be about my mother…an old pattern which is going to keep repeating itself in various forms for God knows how long.

    I really liked the suggestion implied from Peter’s reply though, that we should try to love those who hurt us, even if it means that the relationship needs to come to an end.

    Do you have any other suggestions about the things I can do in order to deal with being hurt by others?  If you don’t mind answering: What do you do, how do you arrange your thoughts when sb has hurt you?

    Mary

    #223093
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mary:

    You asked: “What do you do, how do you arrange your thoughts when (somebody) has hurt you?”

    My answer: if somebody was clearly aggressive toward me (loudly, with words, or silently via the silent treatment), then I have no contact with that person.

    The most powerful person in my life who was aggressive toward me was my mother. I was very hurt, very much alone, separated, inside a bubble of deep despair, day after day, year after year. I was angry at her, hated her. I was also angry at myself, guilty, for feeling angry at her.

    I tried to love her, just like you wrote: “instead of putting my focus on how much I ‘dislike’ a certain person who has hurt me, I need to try to ‘love’ them… we should try to love those who hurt us”- I wasted all of my teenage years, all of my twenties in that belief, in those efforts, then all of my thirties, and I proceeded to waste all of my forties as well, living a miserable, dysfunctional life, very much in that bubble of despair.

    This is how long it has been for me (“for God knows how long”, you wrote).

    Finally, following my first good experience in psychotherapy, at fifty, I decided (it was not a decision that was supported by my therapist, but my own), to end all contact with my mother. I decided to take my side, no longer her side, to take the side of the innocent one (me as a child), not the side of the guilty one (she as my mother).

    It was only then, when I settled this issue of my mother-myself, that I was able to start healing, to gradually get out of that bubble of despair, to see me as I am, to see other people as they are, to actually experience life outside that bubble.

    anita

     

     

     

    #223459
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    Deciding to cut all the ties with your mom was indeed a courageous act on your part, and I do admire you for it. I Wish you lots of happiness and success on your life path.

    As you said all I’ve always been afraid of ending up “wasting” my life because of my mom’s mental illnesses…although it was difficult I studied  hard and got admitted to the best university of my country. I thought this may make her feel proud, but it didn’t.  She simply uses me as a shiny tool to brag about so that she can satisfy her own ego around others. Also although I’m not allowed to invite people over I have a couple of good friends who help to keep my spirits up…I thought it’d make my mother happy to see me happy, but I was wrong.

    Nowadays me and my mother do not talk very much…I leave the house early in the morning and come home late at night. Most of the times she greets me with a bunch of sarcastic  comments, accusing me of disturbing her sleep, of being selfish and ungrateful, telling me how “fun” it is to have me around during summer vacations, insinuating that she wants me to leave as sion as possible. My father keeps telling me that she loves me, but it’s been a long time since I stopped believing that.

    Most of the times I catch myself wondering how it must feel like to have a kind, supportive mother.

    And what hurts me the most is that she wasn’t always as sick as she is now. I remember the days that she actually “cared” about me as her only child, cared about my health, about my studies, what I ate, etc. I even remember birthday parties and presents.

    Now what is left of those days is a hole which is getting bigger and bigger year by year…a hollow which no degree of losing myself in my studies or hanging around with friends and family members can fill. Deep in my heart I know me and my mom’s relationship is never going to get better. Expecting any kind of improvement is just a false hope that I cling to simply because I’m too afraid of sinking.

     

    Mary

     

     

     

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