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  • #211191
    Anonymous
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    Dear trekker_87:

    I can only imagine how much communication gets distorted when texting. In the context of your thread I understood certain things not the way they were: I thought that wearing tight/revealing clothes was part of her idea of performing her music. But not so. And I thought she was concerned about a spouse not supporting her music career because of the clothing involved, but not so: her concern was about a spouse wanting her to have an income from a job related to her education. Am I understanding it correctly now?

    And this is key, going back and forth, correcting misunderstandings.

    You asked: “Do people really drop off without any sort of discussion?” Yes, even without the little communication she did give you, before she went silent. People don’t like to feel uncomfortable and I am guessing telling you more than she did, or having a discussion felt like an uncomfortable, distressing endeavor, for her. So she avoided it and avoids it.

    And yes, texting is known to be a faulty mean of communication. It is a good way to communicate something like: “I will be late for dinner, be home at about seven” something like that, that is all. Not heart-to-heart talks.

    anita

     

    #211197
    trekker_87
    Participant

    Dear Anita

    Yes your understanding is right.

    Why would someone call me a sweetheart one day, discussing plans like where we should travel, what are the things which we need to do together, revel in my company and next day shut me.

    I have shared a lot of information about what was the equation between us.

    Please help me in getting a sense. Had it been a healthy relationship, what would be the ideal way to have clarity

    #211209
    Anonymous
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    Dear trekker_87:

    I will try to help you understand better by presenting facts and possibilities.

    Reads to me that your behavior toward her was indeed very thoughtful, considerate, kind, honest and respectful. I do think you did your best and did very well.

    Fact: you never got to know her that well, to know and understand the person she is. You communicated with her long distance for five months only, lot of it texting,  and met her a couple of times in person.

    Observation: she seems to have a lively social life in Thailand, going places on weekends with friends. Maybe she overslept often because she went out at night, getting home late. On your end, you did not have a busy social life. You were focused on this relationship aiming at it as a lifetime relationship. On her end, she had a busy social life and was not focused on you the way you were focused on her.

    She probably had doubts about the relationship with you way before she ended the relationship with you, she was weighing the pros and cons of it, not in the strong rational way you operate, but in her own way, finally deciding the cons overweight the pros.

    She most likely did not talk with you about the breakup because she is uncomfortable with conflicts and confrontations. After all, you wrote: “her friend also shared with me that she is non confrontational person”.

    You wrote that she “kept apologizing that in case if she had hurt me unwittingly asking for forgiveness, which was very confusing to me”- this is meaningful although I don’t know what it means, I can only guess.

    She did not respond to your efforts to contact you because, reads to me, she doesn’t want a confrontation, feels uncomfortable about it.

    I suppose she was not as honest with you as you were with her. This is all I can figure out at this point.

    anita

    #211211
    trekker_87
    Participant

    One thing I want to share is she is a people pleaser and tries to please everyone even if they are unreasonable. She tries to be sweet to everybody.

    She was busy a lot due to her work and stress in office

    At times I am confused what am I trying to do here. Am I absolving my guilt over what I said a month back leading to break up? Am. I trying to get a moral high saying that I have been wronged and want to feel good like a victim? I am confused

    #211213
    trekker_87
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    I have actually been very broken over this. Past 2 months, I have lost close to 8 kgs of weight. My friends & colleagues keep saying you look a shadow of your original self. I am unable to move from my bed in the mornings. My food intake has gone down. I am grappling with a lot of self doubt, which is making me difficult to confidently engage in anything

    #211227
    Vidya
    Participant

    Hi Trekker,

    You are not alone in the world facing this problem and such person. Life is for living, people come and go. Don’t beat yourself too much on what you said and what you could have done. I suppose you are a young people, and pain you are going through will shape you for life, and make you more empathic in long run. Such pain are ‘rite of passage’.. may I say. I am no Zen though.

    When I was around 23, in my first relationship (which was very real), my boyfriend broke up with me saying, he will never marry me. We were going around for about 1.5 year, and he did not gave me any reason. Neither did I asked, as I was shocked with change of heart. I was very heart broken and felt immense pain for a very long time. Time is a healer. But looking back, I spent a lot of time crying over the fact that I am a looser somehow…Trying to find reason as what could I have done to prevent the breakup…..I can only wish that you don’t mull over the loss too much.

    If you have a career, pursue it and be better at work. Do something different to take that person out of your mind. I had started French class after the break up. In morning I went to office, evenings I took French classes, at night I had little time to think about the loss. I kept myself very busy, and restrained myself speaking to friends about the loss/him. I made real effort every day to move on. Loss would always remain, but you can ease the pain. I am about to touch 40 and I can tell you this is the only way out. Done that been there. I thank God for everything ever happened in my life… later I met my now husband and created family. I have job that I love, and I am progressing in my career.

    My only advise is: don’t try to win this person back, but win your life back. Make yourself such that you are whole on your own, right person will find you.

    Take care,

    V

    #211243
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear trekker_87:

    You wrote: “she is a people pleaser and tried to please everyone… She tries to be sweet to everybody”-

    if she cares so much about pleasing others, she also cares very much about not displeasing others. It makes sense then that she is not confrontational, not sharing any information that is displeasing to another. And so, she did not share with you any discontent she had regarding the relationship before the breakup and did not discuss the breakup with you before or after informing you of it.

    She is not an honest person, not because she wants to deceive but because she doesn’t want to displease.

    This is my understanding: you are a good, decent man and you lack experience in relationships with women, a bit naïve in your belief that everyone is as honest and as rational as you are. Often this is not the case and this is why you have to get to know people over time before getting invested in them.

    You also take responsibility for what you are not responsible for, believing that if something goes wrong it is necessarily your fault. It is not your fault that she avoids confrontation and therefore is not hnest- she avoided confrontations way before she met you, nothing to do with you, not your fault.

    It is a good thing that this relationship didn’t end in marriage because of her lack of honesty, lack of disclosure would continue to be a problem for you lifetime. You would continue to wonder if you did something wrong whenever she would appear unhappy or withdrawn, not telling you what is on her mind. (And you cannot read minds, so how would you know what is troubling her…)

    Better you get to know a woman next, see if the next woman you consider confronts people, if she shares her thoughts and feelings, even if those are displeasing. This is what you can learn from this experience so to make better choices in the future in regards to a future relationship.

    You wrote that you are confused about whether you are trying to absolve your guilt, whether you are trying to get a moral high. My response: you are not guilty, there is nothing to absolve.

    You wrote that you lost a lot of weight, confidence and motivation following the break up. It makes me sad that you are so negatively affected, that you suffer. I wish this was not the case and I do hope you feel much better and soon and that you post again.

    anita

     

     

    #211445
    trekker_87
    Participant

    Hi Vidya & Anita

    Thanks for the comforting words

    I am trying to understand what does it signify about the person, given the full context I have laid out

    Does it show a severe lack of empathy?

    I am. Unable to remove my rose tinted glasses, remove her from the pedestal and look at this objectively

    I am trying to get a closure myself. Please help

    Thanks

    #211449
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear trekker_87:

    You are welcome. You wrote in your recent post that you are trying “to understand what does it signify about the person”, you mean your ex girlfriend, correct? You asked: “Does it show a severe lack of empathy?” again, you are referring to her, I understand.

    “Unable to remove my rose tinted glasses, remove her from the pedestal and look at this objectively”-

    this is my understanding of her: eager to not displease, she has been dishonest with you for some time as she has been and is dishonest with others. This does not mean she intended to deceive you or that she intends to deceive others. It means that she is anxious about the possibility of conflicts with others and will do anything to avoid such. By anything, I mean, including avoiding you as she as done so far.

    And her being dishonest with you does not mean that everything or most of what she told you was a lie. It means that she hid some truths from you, truths that you had the right to know. Truths that if you knew, would have helped you make better choices for yourself. She has hurt you by hiding these truths. And she hurt you by avoiding you all this time.

    It is not my job, nor am I qualified to label her as a good or bad person. What I take on as my job here and elsewhere is to state reality as it presents itself.

    Does she lack empathy, you asked. I don’t know about the extent of her empathy. What is clear though is that her fear of confrontation is greater than her empathy for the person she doesn’t want to confront. She cares more about not being uncomfortable herself than she cares about how you feel.

    Let me know, if you will, if my understanding is helpful to you.

    anita

     

    #211611
    trekker_87
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Thanks for your perspective!

    I don’t understand the need for her to string me along and I feel betrayed on this. Like till 5 days before the breakup, she was discussing what would be my possible nicknames if we are going to be together

    But I don’t have an option rather than to just move on and find my way

    I hope time heals me and makes me a stronger person, with a healthier lifestyle and clear boundaries so that next whenever I meet someone, let me feel if I am feeling great about the other person rather than trying to impress them over

    May God be with me in this endeavor and I get some good karma finally

    Thanks!

    #211629
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear trekker_87:

    You are welcome. I do hope you recover from this heartbreak, this betrayal of your trust. I hope you take your time to know the next woman in your life, the one to become your wife. You want a trustworthy woman as your wife and the mother of your children!

    Remember that you are not responsible for another person’s feelings and choices.

    anita

    #211681
    Vidya
    Participant

    Hi Trekker,

    To find closure is very human. But know that young people are essentially immature and a lot of older adult too.  You can also end up in one category or another if you not make observation about life/people in general.

    I grew up in a village in India and due to study and work, moved around India. I have lived in hostel and had lot of friends male and female both.. and between person to person there is difference how they perceive thing/act etc. I have gained some insight after making fair share of mistakes of my own.

    My Ex’s betrayal rings in my ears today also. I reached out to him after I had truly moved (a decade after), and my Ex said that he regretted breaking up.. a vague answer. Know that you might not get the closure that you seek. But I also observed that the time I spent grieving the loss (2-3 years I was down)…looking for closure, he was enjoying his life as if nothing happened. I don’t hold anything against my Ex because I believe that no one owes you their life. If someone has to go, better sooner than later. Some people come to your life to teach you what NOT to do. My Ex taught me that lesson. Hard lesson learned the hard way. A lot of time people say/do things not thoughtfully. Especially young. How people behave, a lot comes from age and experience. I would only say that you don’t dissect HER behavior, but show care to yourself as how you are going to move on and evolve as a better person after this turning point.

    Take care,

    V

    #211719
    trekker_87
    Participant

    Hi Vidya

    Thanks for your considerate reply.

    I don’t even know clearly what did I learn not to do in a relationship

    This whole comment about dress thing happened way earlier in our relationship and I did admit to her it was my moment of indiscretion.

    I did not do any of the vices in a relationship for her to dump me in such a brutal way with a text early in the morning

    I do agree to your point though nobody owes their life to you

    I am trying to cope with this. My most difficult times are when I sit for eating. Midway usually this guilt hits me and I am unable to eat post that and that is what has taken a toll on my health

    Thanks

    #211841
    Vidya
    Participant

    Hi Trekker,

    Know that sometimes the way life unfolds has nothing to do with what we did or said. You can only control your reaction to the event. Yes you will have to process grief/cope and move forward. You can do this by enriching your life…learn something new, take solo trip, or add a hobby. Do something that you have not done before. Know that, ‘mind that is stretched by a new experience never goes back to its original dimension’. Don’t let anyone stomp through your confidence by you finding fault in you–yes self evaluation is good and proactive but overdoing it is not good.

    Take care,

    V

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