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October 10, 2023 at 9:06 pm #422948StacyParticipant
Hi Helcat
Thank you for both of your thoughtful replies and your suggestions. Since I last posted here, my ex posted a story on October 1st with the Tik Tok star coworker where they visited a local “haunted” asylum. Also, the same pinball machine museum he took me to back in July. I saw on the coworker’s story that they also tagged him, thanking him for taking awesome photos of them for content. I thought this was really hypocritical considering my ex told me on numerous occasions how must he detested people obsessed with posting themselves for vanity and he even thanked me for not being one of those girlfriends who made him take a ton of photos of them for their social media while on dates. The next weekend, the coworker posted several stories of them out at the same science center that my ex and I had visited back in February. We had SUCH a good time there and we often talked about going back as soon as we got the chance. What’s weird is this science center is in my state – not his. They had to travel to my state to visit it. I’m just hurt he can even cross the state border without hurting, let alone revisit these locations we bonded at so recently. I also was scrolling Instagram the other night and saw that he had liked a reel of someone joking saying that they only sleep with people who make them feel like they aren’t good enough. I’ve heard it takes a year to get over a relationship that lasted a year. I’m feeling like this one is gonna take even longer. I think he is getting an incredible high from having social media recognition and in real life attention from someone with 55K followers. Not only that – I learned they have a quick feature in the latest Spider-Man: No Way Home film. No joke, I had to confirm it. I creeped so far back on their profile to see that they can juggle, do sword stunts, play instruments and sing. Pretty much a jack of all trades of entertainment and talent. This rabbit hole I went down was indeed self-sabotage, I’m aware. It’s just very hard for me to accept that I was replaced so swiftly with someone more “impressive” than me. The whole year I dated him, he was so impressed and supportive and seemingly obsessed with MY jobs, MY interests, MY talents. Up until the end, I think anyway. I think it’s reasonable to believe that most people want their significant other to be interested and enthusiastic about their interests, talents, career, etc. But I acknowledge that I allow him to dictate my entire worth about these things and that’s my problem. I kind of worried this whole relationship that he was just dating me because I was there and it was something to stave off his loneliness. Once I filled my purpose to him, he dropped me. Maybe, these are just my theories that are probably rooted in a lot of projection. This is my biggest source of pain right now. My heart is so incredibly heavy with hurt from him with this coworker, even as friends. I can’t figure out how to NOT take someone replacing you personally. It feels so personal.
Also, thank you for saying that I’m allowed to have my feelings and to mourn at my own pace. My friend who has taken a month away from me came back to me over the weekend to check in and she admitted she had to take a month away from me because I was triggering to her own journey. I can understand and respect her need for space and her boundaries, but it was still hurtful to know that I do this to everyone in my life to the point to where they need actual space from me. It’s hard for me to not have another or more positive narrative.
Thank you also for validating my feelings about my ex liking the photos of his old flame/the one that got away. It’s hard for me to have strong boundaries as you know, but it’s even harder when I don’t want to keep someone from being able to have friends. You asked if I pressed him on the matter, and I think that I did… to the best of my ability in that moment.
I basically asked:
1. “Why do you feel the need to go that extra mile and like these types of photos?”
2. “Is there a part of you while liking these photos that hopes she’s gonna take notice?”
3. “You do realize that posting these types of photos is to elicit a sexual response or a certain type of response from people, and that by liking these suggestive photos is you validating that for them?”
4. “Why do you feel the need to give them this kind of attention?”
5. “Can you imagine if I were to start liking gym thirst traps of attractive, muscular men? Since I’ve been dating you, you can go back through my profile and specifically see where I stopped posting sexy photos of myself out of respect for you. But that’s just me and how I do things. I don’t need that validation and attention from other people anymore now that I have it from you.”
His answer to all of these things were him basically trying to say that he was just trying to support his friends/uplift women. “I guess I want to give the attention they are asking for.” Also that he admitted he had wandering eyes but that I had also manifested this to cancel him. I do worry a lot that I may have mishandled how I pressed him and I messed something up. It haunts me because I can’t help but feel like I made him think he had no other option but to throw in the towel right there.
I want to believe that I have a healthy understanding of boundaries and self-awareness like you say. My exes have only made me feel that I was not fair and controlling over them.
October 10, 2023 at 9:38 pm #422949StacyParticipantHi Anita
In response to your question about me standing up for you if someone were talking negatively about you the way I was talking about myself – of course I would. But that’s because I see value in everyone else but myself. I know that’s my biggest problem. I’m at an all time low, partially of course from being dumped by someone who claimed to adore me and accept me fully for so long, but also because I’ve now been without my car for several weeks and I had to be picked up from work this evening by my 17 year old niece and her 15 year old best friend – blasting ridiculously inappropriate music, and I had to sit in the backseat, all while my older coworkers were watching in the parking lot. I realize that I should be grateful I even had a ride home from work, but my sister didn’t even let me know that my niece was going to be picking me up (I thought my sister was), and this has never happened. My niece JUST got her license. I don’t feel comfortable riding with her that much yet for one thing, but especially not in the backseat of the car with music blaring so loud the speakers are vibrating. I cried so hard the minute I got home tonight. I just want out of this financial hole. It’s moments like this where I miss having a life partner, that one person who is in your corner to support you. I know I have to be that for myself now and it’s very lonely. I am trying so hard to create a life I don’t need to escape from. But I also just would like to have someone my age to hang out with regularly who is also single. All of my friends are partnered up, and I’m very tired of doing things with my sister and her kids. Thank you for helping me to challenge my negative thinking and I will try to repeat these to myself.
The part where you mentioned, “You need consistent reliable support, not a mix of support and opposition.” totally hit me and makes a lot of sense. I often feel shameful and guilty for talking badly about my family because there are clear moments were they are trying to be supportive. But it never sticks because there are also the same amount of destabilizing moments from them.
“He doesn’t belong on the pedestal that you placed him on. He isn’t a hero who can save you, never was. He did say all the right things though, at times. It could have been a result of growing up with two PhD psychotherapist parents.” – This I completely agree with as well, and I know I put too many expectations on him. I worry he felt the pressure and I hate I did that to him. I also hate that I will never know what was real or fake with him.
My sister must have vented to me to her therapist again recently because she told me her therapist suggested I sign up for their free intern session opportunity? I’m not sure but her bringing me this was uncomfortable. I hate that I can hear when she talks about me to her therapist. I am happy that she has professional help to vent to about me, but I’d rather not hear it anymore. I realize beggars can’t be choosers but I’m worried that this may be a young crowd of interns (I’m picturing early to mid twenties), and less experienced with the level of my ridiculousness.
October 11, 2023 at 1:23 am #422955HelcatParticipantHi Stacy
It might be important for your mental health to block your ex on social media or to take a break from it entirely.
It makes sense that you’re hurt by your ex taking his coworker out on dates. It sounds like he’s moving on quickly, which is painful to think about.
How not to take someone moving on personally?
Well it’s like your friend who took a mental health break from you for a month. It honestly says more about them than you. Someone being upset over a break up is expected. That your friend needed some time away tells me that their mental health is quite poor and that they’re not invested in supporting you during a painful time. That is what friends do, support each other when they’re having a hard time. It’s not your circus, not your monkeys, not your problem.
A concern I have is that you’re using this break up to put yourself down. He came into the relationship with problems that are not your responsibility.
You have a good understanding of healthy boundaries in a relationship. He used your lack of confidence in asserting your boundaries to avoid taking responsibility for his actions.
You did your very best, but he did his best to dismiss your concerns. Notice I said dismiss, because he refused to address them directly.
I don’t think your ex was really a feminist. I think he is someone that could talk about feminism.
It’s disgusting that he used the facade of supporting friends and uplifting women which is clearly a lie as an excuse for his behaviour of cyber stalking someone that he was attracted to and had a connection with.
I don’t like how he suggested that you made him act like this in an effort to cancel him. He directly blamed you and refused to take responsibility for his own actions.
He did have wandering eyes is the only statement of truth. Something that he made no effort to remedy and expected you to accept.
I think that a red flag in a relationship is when you feel the need to go through their social media because it means that you don’t trust them. Going through his social media confirmed your fears. That he was showing interest in others while you were dating.
When it comes to things like this, it’s a non-negotiable in the relationship. Porn fine, whatever every guy does that it’s not personal. Actively expressing sexual interest in people he has connections with is disrespectful. Either he stops, or the relationship ends. I’m not suggesting using ultimatums. Just that staying in a relationship like that actively causes pain.
Please don’t compare yourself to others, it’s harmful. You are a uniquely beautiful person.
I think one takeaway from this relationship is that it was healthier than your last one. I hope that your next relationship will be even healthier still! That’s how these things went for me. Keep working on getting to a healthier relationship until you actually find one with a guy who listens to and addresses your concerns.
You’re very polite and respectful about these things. You deserve someone who cares about being respectful to you!
Wishing you all the best! 🙏
October 11, 2023 at 9:10 am #422974anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
You wrote sometime in late September: “I do not feel like a high value woman because it has not been proven to me by someone I value“. Yesterday, you wrote: “I see value in everyone else but myself. I know that’s my biggest problem“.
You identified your biggest problem and stated it clearly.
Now what: what is to follow this correct identification?
Here is how you followed it recently (I am adding the boldface feature to your quotes): “my ex posted a story on October 1st… I saw on the coworker’s story that they also tagged him… The next weekend, the coworker posted several stories… I also was scrolling Instagram the other night and saw that he…”-
– back to the first quote: “I do not feel like a high value woman because it has not been proven to me by someone I value“. He, your ex, is that someone you value, and you are (still) invested in having him prove to you that you are a high value woman by coming back to you and stating something like: I was wrong, Stacy, YOU are the ONE for me!
In your mind, he is your hope for Salvation: your hope to be Saved from the devastation a person experiences when not seeing value in oneself.
When you place a person in such a position of power over you, every thing he says or does carries a great weight one way or another: if he says X- it means you have value, if he says Y- it means you have no value.
For a year, he gave you lots of X-s: “The whole year I dated him, he was so impressed and supportive and seemingly obsessed with MY jobs, MY interests, MY talents.” But every time he liked women in seductive postures on social media, that was a big Y for you.
I don’t do social media, but if I am not wrong, all it takes to like a photo is to click on it, or on the word “like“. It is effortless to do so, and for a person who is in the habit of doing it, it’s automatic-like, doesn’t involve much thought, if any.. right? And yet a click on the keyboard is a Y for you: it carries so much weight.
Here is what you asked him in regard to liking photos: “Why do you feel the need to go that extra mile and like these types of photos?”- in your mind, clicking on the word “like”= walking a mile..?
Recently, you followed him on social media and you collected Y-s= “proofs” that you were “replaced so swiftly with someone more ‘impressive’“-… replaced with someone with value, that is.
You wrote yesterday: “I can’t figure out how to NOT take someone replacing you personally. It feels so personal.“- it feels personal because you placed him on a pedestal. From that elevated position of Savior, he not just a guy hanging out with a friend, he is your Savior.. not saving you.
Still yesterday, you wrote: “I acknowledge that I allow him to dictate my entire worth about these things and that’s my problem“- once again, you identified the problem correctly.
I will ask again: now what: what is to follow this correct identification?
“My exes have only made me feel that I was not fair and controlling over them.“- here is a problem in regard to any ex who may have been a decent guy, or in regard to a decent guy that you might meet in the future: it is difficult to have one’s words and deeds, however small or .. objectively inconsequential, carry so much weight in a partner’s mind. It doesn’t leave a person much wiggle room, space to move freely/ to feel comfortable to just be.
Even if you go about it (giving so much weight to his every word and click on the keyboard) politely, as politely as can be.. it’s still a problem in a relationship.
“I know I put too many expectations on him. I worry he felt the pressure and I hate I did that to him. I also hate that I will never know what was real or fake with him“- knowing what was real for him and what was less real or fake wouldn’t matter much if you take him off the pedestal where he does not belong. He is.. just a guy, and like any other guy or girl, no one is always real/ authentic, or to the same extent.
Honestly/ authentically, from all that you shared about him, he is not even close to deserve being up there as Savior.
Still yesterday, you wrote: “I’m at an all time low, partially of course from being dumped by someone who claimed to adore me and accept me fully for so long, but also because I’ve now been without my car for several weeks… All of my friends are partnered up, and I’m very tired of doing things with my sister and her kids.”- if you remove the ex, this guy, from the elevated position of Savior, you will no longer be at the lowered position of an all time low, with or without a car.
Why is it taking so much time to fix your car… I wonder if buying a used, very inexpensive vehicle, like a motorized bike, is a better option..?
“My sister must have vented (about) me to her therapist again recently because she told me her therapist suggested I sign up for their free intern session opportunity?.. I’m worried that this may be a young crowd of interns (I’m picturing early to mid twenties), and less experienced”- not a bad suggestion on your sister’s therapist’s part: I would easily trust an educated and trained psychotherapist- although inexperienced- way more than I’d trust your ex when it comes to your healing.
Back to my question: you identified your biggest problem as that of seeing no value in yourself. What may be a doable solution to this biggest problem?
anita
October 11, 2023 at 6:52 pm #422992StacyParticipantHi Helcat
I know you’re right, I need to unfollow him. I know I won’t ever hear from him again after this. There is also a part of me that worries that if I DON’T unfollow him or do something obviously drastic, he’ll go ahead and do it before me, or he will just further see me as desperate/easily played. This is yet another move that involves worrying about him and not what’s best for me. I know I can’t deal with seeing his content anymore, but also seeing him out regularly with the person he could have lost feelings for me over is showing me how he really feels about me. People say that you don’t need to see that stuff but I think I’m so ridiculous that I need concrete evidence or something because I don’t trust myself. Him ghosting me kind of already proves that he can’t show up for me, but I’ve been telling myself that he just doesn’t know how to talk to me anymore. And yes, him out with this coworker hurts especially more knowing how much more in common they have than we did. I guess… good for him. It also hurts knowing this person has apparently awakened a part inside him that was too afraid to post on social media before. He used to say I inspired him. I do see that he came into this relationship with his own problems already. All I can acknowledge is he has poor communication skills and seems to take the easiest route to every situation.
Also, are you saying that you feel my friend taking a month break from me shows they are not really being a good friend, despite them needing to take care of themselves? I’m just asking because it’s hard for me to accept that two things can be true. Are you saying it’s okay to be hurt that my friend couldn’t show up for me during this time, but I also acknowledge her need to take care of herself?
I think I’ve mentioned it here already but his ex f***boy past always had him feeling a lot of shame about how he had treated women in the past, so he was always trying to prove to himself and everyone else that he was a better person now. I saw a lot of times where he seemed genuinely invested in uplifting women – not in a creepy way at all. Anytime we had these discussions, he’d have even better arguments than I did on the subject and I was always impressed and proud to call him my boyfriend because of this stuff. But maybe you’re right. Maybe he knows when he can turn it on and off to his own advantage and lie about his intentions. It’s too confusing to know regardless, and I hope I never come across such confusion in a partner again. My trust issues are off the charts now.
“I don’t like how he suggested that you made him act like this in an effort to cancel him. He directly blamed you and refused to take responsibility for his own actions.” – He initially took accountability for his actions by saying, “you’re right. I f***ed up.” He apologized to me with no resistance. But then minutes later, he said, “I just feel like you’re always looking for the damning evidence to prove that I’m a bad guy and this was your “haha got you!” moment, like you manifested it.” So that’s what I meant by him claiming I “cancelled” him. I felt that was what he was saying anyway. It’s hard for me because he did take responsibility but then kind of had to throw that other stuff in after it to confuse me. I also agree that for me to feel the need to go through his social media was a big issue. I told myself at the beginning of this relationship that what was meant to come to light to me would be revealed to me with no effort. I guess him sending that video with the female voice at almost midnight the night before our big weekend date was that horrible sign. But I STILL do not feel like my boundary was fair, and I do feel like I overreacted. I hate how sick to my stomach just one “like” makes me feel. I hate social media because of this. But you have a good point that him expressing finding that Tinder match still attractive and being jealous of her really didn’t help his case of things being totally meaningless to him.
“Please don’t compare yourself to others, it’s harmful. You are a uniquely beautiful person.” – thank you. I feel so bad that I’m wasting so much of my life feeling otherwise.
I do think this relationship was a step in a better direction. We both set our standards and expectations early on with no issues, it felt so mature. There was no vagueness, no situationship, no hiding labels. He was so proud to show me off. It’s a shame that I now have more trust issues than I did before. He seemed so incredibly sincere.
October 11, 2023 at 7:21 pm #422994StacyParticipantHi Anita
Yes, I definitely put too much weight into every single thing he’s ever said or done while knowing me. Even his past that I’ve tried to dissect. I’m becoming disgusted with myself over it all. Also, you saying that the “like” on social media doesn’t carry nearly as much weight as I think it does is exactly where I’ve stayed stuck this whole time. Objectively, this seems reasonable and this was the initial excuse my ex gave me for doing it. “It means nothing.” he said at first. But then as I dug more, he admitted to losing interest in me and falling for these sexy photos. He also only follows a handful of people so who he gives attention to has seemed deliberate. So I see this both ways. I see that I am looking too far into this and I did at the time, and I sabotaged the relationship because of it. No one wants to feel repeatedly reprimanded. I’m sure I reminded him of his mother with this behavior. I feel sick about it. On the other end, I feel like my feelings are also valid and the hurt that I’ve felt from men in the past over this DID equate to cheating and lies. My ex saying he got bored and missed “the old us” and was not willing to fight for us didn’t help that feeling. But again, you’re right that my choice to put so much weight in this stuff inevitably affected us negatively. He felt controlled and I don’t blame him for bailing, at least partially because of this. I wish I could take it back how I reacted, but what is sad is that my hurt feelings would still be there and I would still feel a wedge between us had I not said anything. This problem alone makes me not want to ever date anyone again. This will come up again.
Honestly/ authentically, from all that you shared about him, he is not even close to deserve being up there as Savior. – thank you. All I know to do at this point is to try to just keep praying for a release over his power in my mind. Also, I will be signing up for the counseling like you suggested. I hope I can get in, it sounds like it is limited.
Also, my car issues have been on and off for several months and the car stays in the shop for about a week at a time each time it’s happened. Every time it’s fixed, it only stays fixed for maybe a week at a time. This last time, it broke down completely again in heavy traffic and I’m having to wait to have it towed and to have a set appointment to a Chevy specialist because my mechanic has given up. He referred me to them and worries it’s a transmission issue. They are booked out, but I’m still doing it because I trust his judgement. My town is not pedestrian or bicycle friendly, there are no sidewalks for bicycles or crosswalks. I live out 30 minutes from work and our town, so that’s also an issue. I’ve been giving my family money for gas and for their troubles, so I guess that’s about as good as I can do for now and I should be grateful. I can’t afford a newer used car, I don’t even have enough money for a down payment on one. In reference to your final question of your post – a doable solution to helping me see more value in myself would be for me to get full time pay and the ability to save up to make that down payment for a better car, and then to move out. I know that is not immediately doable though. It’s been discouraging because any money I get saved up just gets spent repairing the same issues. I guess my first actual “doable” step has to be unfollowing my ex. I keep looking for THE evidence to give me peace that I was warranted in my feelings to cause all of this in the first place. But I know that’s not going to happen. He’d have to literally post himself making out with her for me to make me see it, which is something he’d never do.
October 12, 2023 at 5:14 am #423003HelcatParticipantHi Stacy
Yes, exactly with your friend both things can be true at the same time. It’s definitely valid to feel hurt by that. Sometimes people aren’t able to show up for us when we need them for their own personal reasons are it’s okay to feel hurt despite being able to understand and empathise with their behaviour.
I feel like this is a common theme in your life, a lot of people are unable to support you in your life because of their own personal issues. It’s really hard when there are so many people that let you down this way in your life. It’s understandable, but it’s also really hard for you who has to deal with a chronic lack of support from friends and family.
I’m glad that you recognize that you need to block your ex for your mental health. I can understand why you needed “evidence” to help you move on because you have difficulty trusting your instincts. I do think it is time to let go of that though because you have enough evidence and it is worstening your mental health. It’s also a form of self-punishment for you.
I think the issue with your ex was that taking responsibility is a two part process. It involves correcting behaviour. He could say yes, okay this isn’t right. Give a lot of excuses for his behaviour then not change.
I think because of his mental health issues he misunderstood your intent. He took you confronting his behaviour as you telling him he’s a bad person. This is his belief about himself, not your belief about him. All you were ultimately asking is for him to stop doing a behaviour that was harmful to you. Which is called setting a healthy boundary.
I think that he used to care about you but over time his failure to change harmful behaviour and your insistence on setting healthy boundaries started to deteriorate his mental health. He felt guilty about his failure and for hurting you.
The relationship was ultimately not working out which is okay. Relationships don’t work out sometimes. I know it’s really painful. But you need to stop blaming yourself and overly (I say overly because he does deserve some blame) blaming him too. It’s not true to say that he didn’t ever care, even though seeing him move on so quickly makes it feel that way. You’re both just two people who weren’t compatible and were hurting.
The breakup is a sudden shock for you, but likely he’s been considering it for a while, so whilst it seems sudden. For him it’s not.
I think during that relationship you saw glimpses of a beautiful future for yourself. That future isn’t gone. It’s just not with him. Someone healthier will be able to give you all of the love and support you deserve. All you need to do is keep doing what you’re doing. Practice setting healthy boundaries with people. You can do this in your life with your family and friends.
You can’t give from your cup when it’s empty, so don’t be afraid to prioritize yourself when you need self-care. ❤️
Love and best wishes! 🙏
October 12, 2023 at 10:27 am #423013anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
“I was born and am still poverty level, he was born upper middle class.. I was always so embarrassed of my parents… she (your mother) is physically and financially incapable of a lot of things.. I absolutely think that I found refuge in my ex, and even his parents when they met me and accepted and loved me… It’s, ‘Oh this rich family accepts me and thinks I’m good enough for them, and this guy from this impressive upbringing.. who claims to love me so much thinks I’M impressive? Then I’ve won.’… As soon as I come home from my job, I see my mom sitting on the couch all day long in pain and self-wallowing, and the septic tank repair bill or some other stressful and real life issue constantly plaguing us” (Sept 2023)-
– as a little girl, like any other child, you NEEDED capable parents, capable and in charge, so that you had an adult to rely on. For the purpose of being able to grow up and develop, both physically and emotionally, to gradually claim a life of your own, you needed to feel safe and secure with capable parents. Like any other child, you needed to think highly of your parents, to be proud of them, to feel that they are strong where you are weak. You never had that, not as a little girl, not as a teenager, not in your 20s, and still not at 31. And so, you are still that little girl living at home, still feeling too insecure to venture outside of your family of origin, claiming a life of your own.
About a year ago, you thought that maybe you found the.. adults-in-charge in this man and his PhD, upper middle class parents. He claimed that he loved you, but you were not sure, and you needed to know because love is a necessary ingredient in the home you NEED, so you investigated, asking him questions, looking for the answer in every thing he ever said or did, including in what he liked online. studying his social media activity, dissecting his past before he met you, looking for the answer to the question: do you love me? am I a woman of value to you?
“He said, ‘I just feel like you’re always looking for the damning evidence to prove that I’m a bad guy..”…I definitely put too much weight into every single thing he’s ever said or done while knowing me. Even his past that I’ve tried to dissect… I guess my first actual ‘doable’ step has to be unfollowing my ex. I keep looking for THE evidence to give me peace that I was warranted in my feelings to cause all of this in the first place. But I know that’s not going to happen. He’d have to literally post himself making out with her for me to make me see it, which is something he’d never do” October 11, 2023)-
-I guess you want to know one way or the other: does he love me? Does he not love me? And if the answer is a definite He Does Not Love Me, if you are sure of it- then you can let him go..?
As I see it, the problem- which is NONE of your fault (!) is that you are still little-girl Stacy, still needing a home where you can feel safe in, supported, with capable adults in charge.. you need this so to feel capable-enough of forging your own, independent, grown-up life.
And you feel too guilty to forge your own grown up life when your mother is still a self-wallowing child, incapable of a lot of things. Too guilty to leave her behind, too guilty to become capable yourself, when she is not?
I never felt safe at home growing up, Stacy. I learned that as an adult, it was too late for me to recreate my childhood/ to find capable adults who were willing to parent the adult-me. Healing is never complete, it isn’t for me. Healing is about grieving what you needed so desperately and never had, and then, picking up the pieces and doing your best, finally leaving home, daring to grow up all the way, becoming your own person, living your own life- in spite of the guilt and the fear- one step, one day at a time, with determination and courage.
anita
October 17, 2023 at 5:17 pm #423502StacyParticipantHi Helcat
Sorry for the late response, I have been feeling sick lately and had to leave work early yesterday because of it, something I haven’t done since I had COVID two years ago. I feel like my body is just really not handling anything well lately. As you’ll see from my reply, I think I’m regressing even further ever time I check-in here.
“I feel like this is a common theme in your life, a lot of people are unable to support you in your life because of their own personal issues. It’s really hard when there are so many people that let you down this way in your life. It’s understandable, but it’s also really hard for you who has to deal with a chronic lack of support from friends and family.” — I feel like this makes sense and I see it too because I feel horribly alone despite living with 5 people. I’ve also noticed that my friends who I used to go on girl’s trips with have stopped inviting me with them, and one of my friends even called me to ask me to catsit for her while they went on the week trip recently. I was offended by this because she lives an hour away from me and I have two jobs – how was I supposed to take a week off to do that for her? Also, why wasn’t I even invited? It has been hard to see them post photos in another state having a really good time while I’m stuck without a car and throwing up and crying over this person. I know this is very woe is me. I just feel really disconnected from everyone and this is the very reason why I reached out and met my ex last year at this time. It feels so unnatural. It’s hard to not feel like I am the common denominator here and that I am the problem.
I still haven’t been able to unfollow him. I am just beginning to feel like my boundary wasn’t worth any of this. It’s like I learned I needed to start setting boundaries but I went too far on the other end out of fear of losing myself again. I feel like losing him was just not worth this pain and loss. I know you say that I need to stop blaming myself but I wish I handled this situation better and in a less reactive state. I didn’t come at him screaming but I came at him as if this was IT and we had nowhere to go from here because I was very stressed and anxious about him giving other women attention. I told him he crossed my boundary and I didn’t know what else to say because it was true in that moment, I saw what he wanted to do when left to his own devices and him changing his behavior would have just felt like him restraining himself against his will. I even told him that. I wish I would have approached him more calmly and told him that it hurt my feelings. Again, though, I have extreme jealousy issues that I don’t think I can remedy at this point. This whole social media jealousy wound I have started in 2018 with my abusive ex and it’s never gotten better.
I went back through our first couple of months of dating texts the other night (my current ex) and he was SO receptive to reassuring my anxieties. He told me he’d never leave me out of nowhere and that he always wanted me to tell him anything that was bothering me. He told me that he would never hide weird kinks from me and that he was into some weird stuff but not like the stuff I found on my ex… and he reassured me he would be open with me about stuff. He told me he knew he had to earn my trust and respect. I think he lost respect for me once things got comfortable and he lost his butterflies/the need for the chase. He’s never been in a serious relationship so maybe that calmness from things actually being healthy and normal made him start feeling like something was wrong and he got bored? Or maybe my check-ins made him start getting bored and anxious. I feel awful at the fact that I deteriorated his mental health. I realize we have to learn lessons with each relationship but I feel like I really fumbled this one. Since I was his first serious girlfriend, he probably can brush this one off, but I have been been through enough relationships to know that this one was really different and special. It kills me to think that I may have messed up what was meant to work out for me.
I’m hearing what you are saying. I just feel really bad about still basically being stuck in the denial stage of this grief. I can’t even wrap my head around it still.
October 17, 2023 at 5:29 pm #423504StacyParticipantHi Anita
I’m sorry for the delayed response, as I told Helcat, I’ve been sick.
In my past relationships before I knew I needed to speak up if something hurt me, I would just do reassurance check-ins, the classic anxious attachment behavior. I learned this pushed people away and made them stressed out. So I went silent, but when I learned that I needed to speak up for my feelings, I’m still kind of not knowing what to do with this once it’s announced. It’s almost just another form of reassurance seeking behavior. It’s “you’ve hurt my feelings by liking sexy photos of other women but I don’t feel like I have a right to be upset so I’m not gonna do anything about this or make a decision, I just need you to know I’m upset about it.” So you see, it really leaves the other person not knowing what I want from them. An apology, sure, but that doesn’t change what I know is true deep down for them – that they found this person sexually attractive. In my case, it was just simple “likes” but my ex admitted he was wandering off and losing interest and passion in me. So my paranoia was warranted, I’ve read about emotional cheating and I do think this is walking that line. But again, since I don’t trust myself – I pull back and feel irrational about speaking up and so any boundaries I make feel stupid to me. I just am so lost. I feel like I can only definitively set a boundary on things that are clear cheating and betrayal. I think until I can figure out how to actually set boundaries and mean them confidently, I’m just going to keep confusing men and pushing them away with my anxious check-ins for reassurance and my anxious confrontations. None of it is aggressive, but that’s only because I don’t have aggressiveness in my nature. So it’s nothing to be proud of, I’m still burning bridges accidentally.
I agree, I do feel a huge loss to have lost my ex and his family and I know I felt refuge in his acceptance and them for many reasons as I’ve mentioned here before. I know I have to move forward but this guilt is crippling me so hard right now. I feel worse about what happened and how I handled it every day.
October 17, 2023 at 5:35 pm #423505anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
I am sorry that you’ve been feeling sick lately and that you feel that you are regressing as far as your emotional health goes. I don’t want to overwhelm you, or exhaust you with yet another long, intense reply, so when I am back to you tomorrow morning, I will submit a shorter, lighter reply. Please rest best you can.
anita
October 17, 2023 at 6:37 pm #423506StacyParticipantThank you, Anita for your thoughtful response and for caring about me. I don’t mind a longer reply, though. I just will get back to it after work tomorrow night. These posts have been the only thing really getting me through this breakup, so I appreciate any level of response from anyone willing to chime in. Hope you have a good night.
October 18, 2023 at 2:31 am #423517HelcatParticipantHi Stacy
That’s okay. You have a very busy life.
I’m sorry to hear that you’re unwell at the moment. I hope that you start to feel better soon. 🙏
I think that mental health can really suffer when we’re feeling unwell. It’s such a vulnerable position to be in and we still have the same desire to be taken care of as we did as children.
I’m glad that you’re reaching out for support here when you’re feeling really low.
It’s difficult having friends and family that can’t cope with the idea of being emotionally supportive when you are having a hard time. But you will always find a friendly ear here. It’s not the same as having that support in person, but we do what we can. ❤️
Please be gentle with yourself! It’s okay that you’re not ready to let go and block him yet. I’m sure that you will when you’re ready.
What happened wasn’t your fault Stacy. You were always respectful when communicating your boundaries. It’s simply an incompatibility issue.
I think that you have much better things coming on your horizon. You believe that you deserve good things and this gives you the courage to find and be open to them.
Imagine a relationship with the support and communication, but without the bs. I truly believe that you deserve that.
The hardest part may be that he was your only emotional support in life. Now that’s gone. Which is truly extremely painful.
Do you have any more thoughts about the denial stage of grief that you’re experiencing? I know you feel bad about it, but it’s healthy to process your emotions. Better out than in!
The difficulty is that you have been shamed a lot for expressing emotion. It’s okay to communicate your needs even when you’re upset. It might even be the most important time to do it.
Regarding your friends hurting you by not inviting you. It’s very understandable to feel left out. That’s rather insensitive to leave you out of plans then explicitly ask you to stay behind, to take care of things for them and expect you to bear their financial burden by taking time off. It’s very tone deaf.
Love and best wishes! ❤️ 🙏
October 18, 2023 at 9:30 am #423520anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
You wrote to me yesterday: “I don’t mind a longer reply… These posts have been the only thing really getting me through this breakup“- then another long reply this will be.
I read through your now 5-page thread and I want to present the problems you brought up in categories as follows (the content of each category overlaps with the content of other categories, so the following Problem Categories are not unrelated. Another note: I will be adding the boldface feature selectively):
* The Practical, real-life Problems:
1) Money Problems: “I was born and am still poverty level.. as soon as I come home from my job, I see my mom sitting on the couch all day long in pain and self-wallowing, and the septic tank repair bill or some other stressful and real life issue constantly plaguing us that I have to take responsibility for… Money issues and repairs constantly keep us stuck in a hole… No one goes to work or school in my house aside from me… I definitely don’t have the money to move out still but I’m hoping to get there. I have two part time jobs and they just aren’t cutting it, especially with no health insurance. My medical bills and medication are a problem, on top of constant car repair bills. There are talks of me hopefully getting full time at one of my jobs after December if their budget allows it and I can get health insurance then. This would change my life… My car broke down AGAIN last night. I’m stuck at home physically when this happens, but also stuck because I keep having to put my paychecks into fixing the car rather than saving to move”.
2) Physical and Mental Health Problems: “When I was 12 years old, I choked on a cough drop and nearly died. and developed a severe choking and swallowing phobia…. At 26, it was discovered I also have Eosinophilic esophagitis… I’ve been reading a lot into health anxiety/OCD and I’m beginning to wonder if this is overlapping with my extreme rumination and obsessive thinking and need to ‘figure out’ my relationship and breakup as well.… I genuinely fear I have developed some form of OCD from this. Every single day, I can have the slightest physical sensation and I have to talk myself down or need to seek reassurance that I’m not in danger. It’s EXTREME and I can’t be talked out of things. It’s ruined my life and my relationships… It’s mostly the physical sensation of choking (either from EOE, stress, GERD, allergies or asthma) so this is all very complicated for me and it’s hard to explain it to doctors… Chronic stress is harming me for sure…Anxiety and panic to this level depletes my appetite and triggers my choking phobia so badly”.
3) Poor/ dysfunctional current living conditions: Loudness and Lack of structure, discipline and routine: “My sister has severe insomnia so she doesn’t have then on a sleep schedule. They stay up until 7-8 am and sleep in all day. In fact as I type this, it is 3:41 am and my sister is arguing with my nephew in the room next to me. So when I need to sleep, the house is loud and chaotic… I don’t get much rest or peace at this house. It’s why I also fantasied and counted the days for when I got to go see my ex… I’m just absolutely tired of living in dysfunction and no discipline or routine… I WANTED guidance and rules and routine. I got chaos and isolation back then, and these same themes seem to be replaying in front of me with my sister and her kids now”, “After work, I never want to go home so I usually get myself a soda or just go sit in a parking lot until I know I can’t avoid it any longer”.
* Emotional Problems:
1) Growing up Unsafe, the resulting Hopelessness and Helplessness as a state f mind, and your desperate need for safety/ refuge:
“I felt from at least the age of four that my parents were not capable of keeping me safe anymore because I could see them fearing for their own safety with how destructive my brother was getting”, “she (your mother) is physically and financially incapable” “It makes me feel hopeless for her and for me“, “I absolutely think that I found refuge in my ex” “he (ex) wasn’t deeply thinking about anything.. I think it was more so the illusion by proxy of feeling like I can have room to be hopeful and not feel constantly helpless“.
2) Low Self-Esteem: “I see value in everyone else but myself. I know that’s my biggest problem“, “I just feel really inexperienced and not good enough for him… It’s, ‘Oh this rich family accepts me and thinks I’m good enough for them”, “I allow him to dictate my entire worth about these things and that’s my problem”.
3) Negative Body/ Sexual Image: “I feel perpetually stunted with my physical body… I don’t feel like a woman. When I have sex with men, I feel like a 12 year old”, “My life is a lot more bleak compared to the women he is lusting after. They.. are all hyper-sexually liberated women“.
4) Enmeshment/ lack of separation from your family/ mother: “My therapist said years ago that I do indeed struggle with family enmeshment“, “I don’t feel like I get to have my own adult life or sense of identity outside of her and these issues so perhaps dating this guy also gave me a sense of MY OWN LIFE. I’ve never moved out of the house or had my own separate life outside of her“, ” I don’t want to abandon her” “I know I have to live my own life, but the guilt I’d feel from that would be horrific”.
5) Loneliness and Isolation as an ongoing subjective experience: “I got chaos and isolation back then, and these same themes seem to be replaying in front of me with my sister and her kids now… I feel horribly alone despite living with 5 people… I just feel really disconnected from everyone and this is the very reason why I reached out and met my ex last year at this time” (Oct 17).
I am hoping that the above, being presented this way, will be of some help to you. Maybe one day you will present this (edited as you wish) to a health-care professional so that he/ she can put together a treatment plan for you.
There is no doubt in my mind that you placed your ex on a pedestal not because he belongs there (not at all) but because you desperately need to look up to someone so to feel safe (See #1 above, under Emotional Problems). I believe that you’ve been ruminating about him so heavily since the breakup because.. you still feel that he is your hope for safety.
You wrote yesterday: “I went back through our first couple of months of dating texts the other night (my current ex) and he was SO receptive to reassuring my anxieties. He told me he’d never leave me… He told me… he reassured me… He told me… my ex admitted he was… I just am so lost… I’m just going to keep confusing men and pushing them away with my anxious check-ins for reassurance and my anxious confrontations. None of it is aggressive… I do feel a huge loss to have lost my ex and his family and I know I felt refuge in his acceptance and them for many reasons as I’ve mentioned here before. I know I have to move forward but this guilt is crippling me so hard right now. I feel worse about what happened and how I handled it every day”-
-Sweet, precious Stacy: you are a good person, a kind and loving person. You don’t deserve to suffer the way you do. Please consider this-
– You feel a huge loss: subjectively (the way you feel), it is a huge loss, but objectively (reality is), there is no loss: he’s just a guy with his own problems, living at home with his parents, not making much money; a guy who talked a good game, telling you exactly the words you desperately needed to hear. But even if he meant those words (I assume he did) these are still only WORDS. It takes so much more to.. be a mensch (a person of integrity and honor).
Integrity and honor entail oh.. so much more than words.
Even if you didn’t seek his reassurance, even if you acted perfectly at all times (an impossibility for any human), he’d still be who he is and what you would have gotten from him would’ve been more words. Even if he had the right emotion to go with his words, what you need is real-life action that’s congruent with.. integrity and honor.
anita
October 19, 2023 at 11:28 pm #423576StacyParticipantHi Helcat
Thank you, I did feel a little better at work today, sickness wise. Also thank you so much for the reassurance that I can always come here to express my feelings. It’s been really hitting me lately that it’s no wonder I miss my ex so much, I really don’t have any friends who I don’t feel will be turned off by my negativity and difficulty anymore. I understand everyone has their limit though, and he eventually did too.
I still feel like what happened was my fault and I don’t deserve better, unfortunately. All day at work my brain just kept replaying his words, “I guess it was wandering eyes… ” “I guess I fell for the visuals…” “Maybe?” (in response to me asking him if he just didn’t feel romantically towards me) OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I can’t stop this loop in my head. “It doesn’t matter if he lost interest because you put too many expectations on him and he realized he couldn’t/didn’t want to meet them anymore, or if he wouldn’t have wanted long-term commitment in general – he literally admitted to you he lost PHYSICAL attraction to you and got bored! Humiliating! And he slept and flirted with you through knowing this til the end.” — That has been my internal dialogue today too. I do not think I could have chosen any better than I did with him, I saw no signs of avoidant behavior for several months, not until the breakup. To finally have someone show up for me and match my effort was insane. I don’t think it can get better than it was until something messed us up. I can’t help but feel I have some fault in why his feelings changed for me so drastically. It makes me really doubt my ability to ever choose better in the future.
Do you have any more thoughts about the denial stage of grief that you’re experiencing? — I’m just still in complete disbelief and denial about everything negative about him. My brain cannot fathom that he was ever manipulative, sexist, using me, or lying to me consciously. I can’t believe that he was a porn and weed addict, or that he chose these things over me in the end. I’m in denial about his words of reassurance and feelings for me, even after the breakup by saying how much I meant to him and how he couldn’t live without me/he wanted to stay best friends and how he said we’d get through this and figure it out together. Yet I’ve been ghosted for over a month. Clearly he’s relieved but it’s hard to accept that. It’s just really hard to process he was so detached. He seemed so proud of us as a team. I’m also still having a very hard time accepting he lost attraction for me. That makes me feel so sick to my stomach, so embarrassed and so used. He had me convinced he was healed from his player past entirely. It’s almost at the 2 month mark for the breakup already. But if he actually just lost attraction to me because of immature and shallow reasons and led me on, I shouldn’t give him so much grace because that’s cruel. I read somewhere today that if someone dumps you by blaming themselves and letting you down easily, they believe they are better than you and can do better than you. I’ve done it before myself at like… 20 years old and I broke up with the person as soon as I realized I was not into it the way they were. I’m just sad that he is almost 32 and had to learn this lesson with me at our age.
Also, thank you in regards to the thing about my friends leaving me out again. They all have very stable lives, very well paying jobs with husbands and babies and mortgages so they just cannot relate to my single and broke drama anymore. These are friends I’ve had since basically 2003/middle school. They invited me to their Halloween party next weekend and I have to work but if I can get off in time, I’m still debating on going or not. I don’t want to sabotage what I have left of them, but I felt really disconnected from them at our last get together.
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