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February 27, 2016 at 7:10 am #97388AnonymousGuest
Dear K8tyB:
My mother too was very hard working, often three jobs a day and those were cleaning jobs, scrubbing bathrooms and such. Her hands were raw, bloody looking, from scrubbing. She was divorced, when I was five or so, no financial help from the man she married or from anyone else or anything else. And she too came home from her many jobs, and often hot, sweaty days, miserable. She also had a very abusive childhood and a very difficult life. At this point, if it wasn’t for the extensive damage she caused me through the years, severe damage throughout decades of life, into the present, I would still feel as much empathy for her as I have felt.
Your ex boyfriend is not the same person as your mother, or mine. But you having the mother that you have had (and have) is the reason why you tolerated and endured his otherwise insufferable behavior.
I am thinking… does it … almost make you feel loved when he dumps the guilt on you? It is a sort of attention, a kind of attention you got from your mother and was the closest to love in your experience, isn’t it?
Thank you for the hug. It means a lot to me. That night when I was five or so and went into the night looking for her body because i believed she was going to kill herself that night… when I finally found her on the street I exclaimed: “You are alive!” I remember I was very, very happy and excited and relieved. But she didn’t hug me. She looked at me angrily, with condemnation (as she so often did) and she asked angrily: “Why wouldn’t I be?”
You wrote: “I grew up wanting to be the ‘good child'” I think that you no longer need to be the ‘good child’ in the same way you did then, by taking in the accusations, the assertions of the one blaming you. That is not love and you accepting it is not your way to deserve “love”.
anita
February 29, 2016 at 4:37 am #97610k8tyBParticipantDear Anita,
I apologise for taking so long to reply ,it’s been a hectic weekend.
When my ex dumped the guilt on me, I used to think I needed to try harder to make this person happy because obviously I wasn’t doing enough as he was still unhappy and pointing it out. I used to feel as if I wasn’t doing the ” right ” thing, but I soon came to realise there was no ” right ” things because nothing pleased or satisfied him unless I was totally submissive or agreeable , as in agreed to whatever he was saying and say I’d make it up or do better . Then the bar would move if I thought things were improving, and it would be something else week after week . This was the pattern. It all felt very unstable and confusing and I got fed up .
He is still trying to contact me and I answered the phone yesterday thinking I was getting an overseas call but it was him and I wasn’t interested in anything he says. I am eating again and I do feel so much better than I have been for months, I am also sleeping again , I almost feel like myself, it’s like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders and the clouds are moving away. I like this feeling.
A bit more about my mum…. She never seemed satisfied about anything, she complained about everything and told me I was like my dad most of the time . My dad was a womanising alcoholic , I never knew what she meant by that and I still don’t to be honest. I haven’t thought about it in years. She never actually ever TALKED to us about anything , everything would be in an accusatory tone or a quarrel She told us never to have kids that they ruin your life. She used to say the only reason she got so many children was because she was trying to feed me and my siblings. As I got older I kind of figured out what that meant .
No, I cant’t accept what he is offering and I can’t accept that if I remained with this man , my child would think this is normal and acceptable behaviour when it’s not. it’s toxic and nothing good grows in a toxic environment ( as far as I know ) .
I don’t need to be the good child , I need to be good to me , kinder I think …
Thank you Anita for sharing and for your support, I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Peace and Love
k8tyBFebruary 29, 2016 at 9:19 am #97624AnonymousGuestDear k8tyB:
You wrote “nothing good grows in a toxic environment (as far as I know).” Are you suggesting that there …might be something good growing out of a toxic environment such as if you lived with that man? For you or for a child?
I am glad you are feeling relief and are eating and sleeping better. This is very telling: you made the right choice and your body is letting you know that you made the right choice!
…And, like I wrote before, there is a reason and a… logic, however distorted, to why you were with him all this time, why you participated in the pattern, trying to please him by submitting to him again and again. That motivation in your brain, a motivation and a logic born in childhood, still exists in you and will come to the surface again. When it does, please do not react to it by going back with him or move that way. Post here instead.
The distorted logic i am referring to is what you stated: that there is something YOU can do to please him long term. It is only something HE can do by going to therapy himself. You can please him temporarily, via complete submission and apologies. But that is the pattern, based on the temporary relief, being his “fix”.
Let’s keep talking, post anytime when you feel like it, when you have the time, when something comes up, anytime.
anita
February 29, 2016 at 11:28 am #97635k8tyBParticipantDearest Anita,
You have no idea how grateful I am for your post right at this moment. He is still calling and I was just about to send him an email but decided to check tiny buddah instead and I am glad I did . I don’t want to start communicating with him again and even if I write, ” Leave me alone ” I know where it will go with more of the same and I don’t want that .
My mind was thinking maybe if he’s trying this hard, maybe he wants to change things and I should hear what he has to say, I’m being ridiculous and weak and now I am angry with myself 🙁
I know he needs help, I’ve told him but he says there is nothing wrong with him and I just need to be better at my communication. I just remembered during the last row, he accused me of trying to assert myself and said it didn’t distract from the truth , that it was all my fault . He came back after a day or two nastier and harder and more viscious verbally than usual , it was like blows raining down on my heart and mind. I actually felt physically ill from it, then he asked me what I was going to do for him , that alarmed me. I need to keep remembering that this is not what I want in my life or my child’s , that this is what I got away from, this is what I mamaged to keep my child from and keep it that way.
Thank again Anita.
K8tyBFebruary 29, 2016 at 11:40 am #97640AnonymousGuestDear k8tyB:
I like the “Dearest Anita” – thank you!
Please don’t be angry with yourself … not for long. Be gentle with yourself instead. The reason you accommodated this man’s pattern is because you were trained to do so as a child. Have compassion for that child that you were, she didn’t choose this pattern, she only reacted as children do, automatically.
Now, you still feel like reacting automatically, the same way and this is where being an adult, mature enough comes into play: you no longer have to automatically react. Instead you notice the urge to automatically react, you understand where it comes from and you resist it, talk sense to yourself, clarify reality to yourself. And you choose what makes sense.
Yes, he needs help but he doesn’t think so. He disagrees. So what are you going to do? Give him the help that he believes he needs: you admitting once again that you are wrong, that you are bad, that he is good, that he was right all along, always right. This is the help he believes he needs. Will you keep giving that to him? That temporary fix?
No different than a heroine addict: will you give him the next injection, the next feel good injection?
It is not even helping him, only keeping him stuck. And as far as you are concerned, giving him his next heroine fix, gives you the high of being temporarily rewarded with that loving feeling.
Like two drug addicts: he is seeking his fix of “I was wronged: apologize! Admit you are wrong!” and you seeking your fix: “I was wrong. I admitted it. And now he loves me. ah… that feels good, to be loved again..”
Yes, keep posting, K8tyB!
anita
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