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November 11, 2021 at 6:22 am #388435AnonymousInactive
Teak,
To respond to your post on top, give me some time. I realise I didn’t convey my thoughts precisely in the initial post. reading it over it sounds like I did plan to get pregnant by him. but that’s not the case. give me time and I will give you a much clearer picture of what happened.
but I admit, I made a huge mistake. I should have been on contraceptives. i took a lot of things for granted.
I will respond I promise.
Elizabeth
November 11, 2021 at 6:43 am #388436TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
I have been reading over all the posts I made over the past month or so. and I have seen a trend. as sad as it sounds, I think I have been trying to fix my first relationship because all four men I have dated in my life have been a replica of him. my first ghost.
Usually when there is a pattern in our relationships, it’s not that the first guy traumatized us (although it can be pretty significant too), but it goes even further back, to our childhood. It’s the emotional wounds from our childhood and the unmet emotional needs that drive us to try to satisfy them in adulthood. And we try to get it from people who remind us of our parents. Anita talked about it already.
I think you’ve described the main problem here:
Growing up, I noticed that my parents had very little regard for my opinion and even less interest in getting to learn about who exactly I was and my thoughts. What made it worse is my parents were the type who would use your pain to manipulate you into submitting into acting in a certain way or to them. I may have been young, but I had a strong head on my shoulders. Had my parents taken time to get to know me, they would have realised that I was capable of taking care of myself. Being a precocious child, my body developed much faster than most. and so from a young age, I started being propositioned by men old enough to be my father. Which is disgusting if I may add.
I found out pretty early in life how frustrating it is to try and get someone to notice your intellect when their focus is on your body. That offended me so much so that I felt like I needed to fix these disgusting men. And there lay my problem. I would give men who found me physically appealing a chance all in the hope that I would win them over with my genuineness and kindness into seeing me as much more than a sexual object. That they would see me as a person worth taking seriously and not some sexual object.
You were attracted to men who saw you only as a sexual object and didn’t care about your intelligence and your other values, such as your kindness and genuineness. And the reason why you were attracted to those superficial men is that you craved recognition from people who reminded you of your parents – this is how our emotional wounds work.
Your core wound seems to be one of not feeling valued for your intelligence and your true self, but being seen as a sexual object. The wound of unworthiness. In order to heal that wound, you’ve been trying to prove yourself to various undeserving men.
The real solution would be to give validation to that little girl who felt unseen and unworthy for who she really was. You, the adult Elizabeth, would need to be the parent to that little girl and tell her how brilliant and amazing she is, how proud of her you are, how worthy and special she is. This is what she needs to hear. That’s how you can liberate yourself from seeking to hear those same words from men….
How does this sound to you?
November 11, 2021 at 6:47 am #388437AnonymousInactiveHi,
I decided I needed to get myself off of him. At the same time, I got a not so clever idea in my head that if I got pregnant and had a baby instead I would feel a whole lot better and it would give me a new purpose since at the time I felt like my life was spiralling out of control. I could hardly go through the day without crying at this point. I was utterly miserable.
– My sister had just passed. And I felt like my family was shrinking. I kept thinking if I had a baby that would help all of us heal.
– I started a new position at work and decided against this idea. I however didn’t take any measures to make sure I didn’t get pregnant. Mistake number 1
So early this year January I finally fell pregnant. I was very excited and I felt like all my plans where coming to fruition. I had made up my mind I was going to do this all by myself. That was my plan to begin with anyway. So after much deliberation I finally got around to telling Christopher that I was pregnant. To be honest I didn’t expect him to be ecstatic.
This happened two years down the line. after I had changed my mind about the baby. I was not actively trying to get pregnant. but at the same time, I didn’t take any precautions against it. to be honest we had been at it for two years and I didn’t get pregnant. I took nature for granted.
I had made up my mind I was going to do this all by myself
After I found out I was pregnant I had decided I wouldn’t tell him about it and would just disappear from his life. that was my selfish plan. My friend convinced me otherwise. so I told him.
His reaction didn’t surprise me at all and I thought I was ready for it.
it’s true I didn’t expect him to be happy just like I was taken aback too. this happened at a time when I was feeling confident enough to walk away from him.
The moment he realized I had less and less to offer him he pulled back, because things were not going so well for me at the moment. It felt like every problem on earth was targeting me. I felt lost and confused and needed him more than before. This is not what he bargained for and so he did everything to avoid me. I did notice this and it was terribly heart breaking. I chose to ignore. I thought if I was patient with him he would come around. Didn’t realize I was dealing with a narcissistic person.
My decision to walk off before I found out I was pregnant was informed by this realization. At the same time, I felt so attached to him. I was conflicted even more.
With all this said, I did believe he was my friend and I felt most betrayed not by his unhappiness, but by him treating me like a common stranger. we were friends, so I thought at least. I later found out otherwise.
So, his reaction was expected, and you too expected it. But still, when he asked you 2 weeks later who you would say is responsible for your pregnancy, if people asked you – you were shattered (It threw me completely off guard I was shell shocked to be honest. This is someone I believed was my friend. How could he ask me something like that?)
What threw me off was him trying to brush off his part in this mess. He was the only person I was sleeping with so how could he ask me that? Neither one of us took any precautions against pregnancy. We had both been very careless. I was honest about not being on birth control from the onset he knew. That’s what threw me off. We made this bed, but he left me to lie in it alone. That sucks.
This whole situation has been a series of terribly bad decisions and a fest of irresponsibility on both sides. But when Shit hit the fan I dealt with it. He chose to run.
Yes, I am not innocent in the situation, but I accepted my responsibility in creating the situation and dealt with it. I didn’t run or lump it on him. I could have made his life a living hell if I chose to, but I didn’t.
I do agree with you 100% that I have to heal my inner child. I am human and I was scared and vulnerable yes. I needed comfort. Desperate for his love, I don’t know. Desperate for comfort? Yes. Absolutely.
Elizabeth
November 11, 2021 at 6:53 am #388438AnonymousInactiveDear Elizabeth,
I have been reading over all the posts I made over the past month or so. and I have seen a trend. as sad as it sounds, I think I have been trying to fix my first relationship because all four men I have dated in my life have been a replica of him. my first ghost.
Usually when there is a pattern in our relationships, it’s not that the first guy traumatized us (although it can be pretty significant too), but it goes even further back, to our childhood. It’s the emotional wounds from our childhood and the unmet emotional needs that drive us to try to satisfy them in adulthood. And we try to get it from people who remind us of our parents. Anita talked about it already.
I think you’ve described the main problem here:
Growing up, I noticed that my parents had very little regard for my opinion and even less interest in getting to learn about who exactly I was and my thoughts. What made it worse is my parents were the type who would use your pain to manipulate you into submitting into acting in a certain way or to them. I may have been young, but I had a strong head on my shoulders. Had my parents taken time to get to know me, they would have realised that I was capable of taking care of myself. Being a precocious child, my body developed much faster than most. and so from a young age, I started being propositioned by men old enough to be my father. Which is disgusting if I may add.
I found out pretty early in life how frustrating it is to try and get someone to notice your intellect when their focus is on your body. That offended me so much so that I felt like I needed to fix these disgusting men. And there lay my problem. I would give men who found me physically appealing a chance all in the hope that I would win them over with my genuineness and kindness into seeing me as much more than a sexual object. That they would see me as a person worth taking seriously and not some sexual object.
You were attracted to men who saw you only as a sexual object and didn’t care about your intelligence and your other values, such as your kindness and genuineness. And the reason why you were attracted to those superficial men is that you craved recognition from people who reminded you of your parents – this is how our emotional wounds work.
Your core wound seems to be one of not feeling valued for your intelligence and your true self, but being seen as a sexual object. The wound of unworthiness. In order to heal that wound, you’ve been trying to prove yourself to various undeserving men.
The real solution would be to give validation to that little girl who felt unseen and unworthy for who she really was. You, the adult Elizabeth, would need to be the parent to that little girl and tell her how brilliant and amazing she is, how proud of her you are, how worthy and special she is. This is what she needs to hear. That’s how you can liberate yourself from seeking to hear those same words from men….
How does this sound to you?
My whole post here acknowledges what you have said here. I have sought professional help. It’s a long road but please help me get there. I need a lot of help. I admit that.
Elizabeth
November 11, 2021 at 11:32 am #388451TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
My whole post here acknowledges what you have said here. I have sought professional help. It’s a long road but please help me get there. I need a lot of help. I admit that.
It’s great you sought professional help, and that you are aware of those patterns in your relationships. The first thing on your path to healing would be to try not to beat yourself up for making those decisions. Those were half-conscious decisions, influenced by your subconscious drives, hopes and dreams, in other words by your inner child’s longing… by her longing for love and appreciation. That longing was valid, only directed at the wrong person… But now you know why you were attracted to the wrong type of person…. so try to forgive yourself.
Tara Brach has a term “radical acceptance”. Accept absolutely everything that happened, how things turned out, that you made some mistakes, that you didn’t know better at the time…. and that it still hurts and it’s hard to let go…. Accept yourself with all that baggage…
When you can do that, you will have found a place of compassion in yourself. From that place of compassion you can start relating to your inner child. You can be a loving and supportive parent to that little girl, give her love and validation she is longing for, and tell her those encouraging words that she needs to hear.
But for starters, have compassion for yourself and accept yourself fully, with all your perceived flaws, because that’s the beginning of healing…
November 11, 2021 at 12:30 pm #388454AnonymousInactiveTeak,
Seeking proffesional help was not easy. Culturally you are considered weak and crazy for seeing a therapist. I have struggled for so many years with this burden. The hardest thing has always been forgiving myself. I find that am very hard on myself.
I have come a long way. From being ignored as a child. To being bullied by my entire family to a broken adult who alwYs felt more comfortable among strangers than my own family.
There was a point in time when everyone took joy out of bashing me. Because i was different i was used as a yard stick for badness. My own siblings would comfort each other by saying you are better off than Elizabeth.
I have heard my own father accuse me of lasting after my brother inlaw because i exposed his infidelity. My own sister accusing me of wanting her husband when i had never ever shook hands with him.
My other sister get so pissed that she got laid off instead of me. My father accuse me of being the cause of my sisters being laid off as well as his own retrenchment.
My teens were miserable. My 20s were even worse. I have suffered depression for so long but no one in my family knows. My sister once said to me my feelings are not important enough for them to care about.
And so i learnt to stay quiet and watch. Up to this day… no one has ever really apologized to me. They thing i forgot. But i didnt. I remember everything like it was yesterday. My family scares me. My parents scare me even more.
My biggest fear is they dont have my back. The things they say about me behind my back are awful. And i am nothing like what they say. Its sad that they still dont know me. I am 37 years old and they dont know the first thing about me.
You are also right about one more thing. That love i waa pouring out on my ex was truly directed at the wrong person. I needed that love more. I was just to hurt to see it.
November 12, 2021 at 12:00 am #388474TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
I am so sorry that your family was so unfair to you, that they treated you like a black sheep and accused of all of their problems. They felt better about themselves when they would put you down and denigrate you:
There was a point in time when everyone took joy out of bashing me. Because i was different i was used as a yard stick for badness. My own siblings would comfort each other by saying you are better off than Elizabeth.
They have also falsely accused you of the things you haven’t done:
I have heard my own father accuse me of lasting after my brother inlaw because i exposed his infidelity. My own sister accusing me of wanting her husband when i had never ever shook hands with him.
My other sister get so pissed that she got laid off instead of me. My father accuse me of being the cause of my sisters being laid off as well as his own retrenchment.
I can imagine how horribly alone and unloved you felt. To experience such bullying and hostility from your own family, from those who were supposed to love you and protect you.
That’s a terrible trauma, Elizabeth, but the good news is that you are determined to help yourself and heal… and you can heal, I promise you.
You said earlier:
When I started my journey of emotional healing I had no idea just how deep the wound run. Because I learnt a long time ago to self soothe, I never really paid attention to my feeling as I felt like me coming unhinged will be a great inconvenience to the people around me.
How did you self-soothe as a child?
I have suffered depression for so long but no one in my family knows. My sister once said to me my feelings are not important enough for them to care about.
That was just one more reason to feel unimportant, unseen, like nobody wants to know you and what’s really going on with you.
So I kept putting Bandages all over my heart. I tucked away and swept everything under a carpet. I never got upset or spoke up about what I wanted because I was worried that they would leave me.
I guess you didn’t dare to express your feelings and stand up for yourself in your adult relationships either? You were hurting but said nothing? That’s why you probably stayed with Christopher for 2 years, while knowing he is rather selfish and wouldn’t be there for you when you needed him.
One of the first steps in healing, besides accepting yourself fully, is to feel all your emotions. It’s best to do it in therapy – to allow yourself to feel your anger and your sadness and your disappointment and your disgust – at various family members for treating you so poorly. You don’t do it to their faces, you don’t knock on their door and start accusing them and attacking them – but you allow yourself to feel your anger in a therapeutic setting. Because validating our emotions is so important for healing.
Anita has already mentioned that your anger at Christopher probably stems from a deeper anger – anger at your own family. You have all the right to be angry at them, and you can process it in therapy. And when you’ve worked on it, you can decide what kind of relationship you want to continue with your family. Are you in touch with them, btw? How is your relationship with them at the moment?
My family scares me. My parents scare me even more.
I can imagine that, specially if you’re a little girl, who needs their protection and soothing, and all she gets is bashing and accusations. Now, as the adult Elizabeth, you have the chance to say No to their abuse and protect yourself. To cut contact even.
My biggest fear is they dont have my back.
They don’t. Not only that, but they are hostile towards you (The things they say about me behind my back are awful.) It seems they behave more like enemies than a loving family. So you’d need to set boundaries in your relationship with your family members – maybe with some of them you need to reduce contact to zero. To protect your mental health, and also to show that you care about yourself, that you value yourself. You are not a doormat for anybody, not even for your family members.
November 13, 2021 at 1:18 am #388531TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
I would just like to clarify something – your anger towards Christopher is justified too, because he did behave despicably. When he found out you were pregnant, he was not only not thrilled, but he also told you that he wouldn’t like to be known as the baby’s father:
Because he didn’t want anyone knowing about my pregnancy, I stupidly told him then we could take a break from each other so that we can throw suspicion from him. he gladly jumped at this.
That’s pretty horrible, considering that he knew you weren’t using contraception. It appears that from the moment you told him about the pregnancy, he wanted to jump ship and cut ties with you. He didn’t want to have anything to do with you, and behaved like that (not taking you to the hospital, not calling you back, not offering to pay for medical expenses, not visiting you while you were recovering, going partying with his friends and pretending as if nothing happened…). Which is despicable.
You however, due to your low self-esteem and the inability to stand up for yourself, unfortunately allowed this behavior. Your heart was breaking at his insensitivity, you needed him to be there for you, and yet, you told him that he is free to opt out. And he gladly accepted it – because he is that kind of guy: selfish, callous, insensitive.
As I said before, a part of you (the rational part) knew you can’t expect much from him, and I guess this is what you were communicating to him: that he can opt out, that you can take care of the baby alone. At some point you even blocked his phone and stopped calling him when you realized he wasn’t happy about the pregnancy:
During my pregnancy after our conversation, I had resolved that I would do it myself. I couldn’t stand another episode such as the one I had with my first pregnancy. I can never force a child on anyone. So I blocked him from my phone. and just stopped calling him.
So a part of you was allowing and accepting his selfishness. But another part of you was hoping that he would still come around, that he has a heart, that he would finally start caring… That’s the inner split in you.
Maybe that’s why he told you he thought this wouldn’t be so difficult (breaking up with you) because you behaved as if you were strong, as if you can take care of things on your own. But that wasn’t true – you were in fact very vulnerable and you needed him to be there for you, but you didn’t show it to him till the last minute (and you have put up with his selfishness for 2 years). And when you finally showed him, when your body was in pain and you needed his help desperately – he was surprised and ran away! Totally despicable behavior – to leave a pregnant woman alone in her pain and disappear, but it was in line with his character, unfortunately. Your tragedy is that you have tolerated his selfishness for too long, hoping he’d finally come around…
We’ve already talked about the reasons why you’ve tolerated his selfishness, and why you didn’t respect yourself enough – it’s because of your childhood and upbringing. I believe that in order to truly heal from Christopher’s abuse, you’d need to look at the abuse and mistreatment you suffered as a child. And express and process that anger too, and learn to stand up for yourself etc.
November 13, 2021 at 11:09 am #388539AnonymousGuestDear Elizabeth:
On May 31, 2021, in a reply to another member, you wrote: “You need to redevelop a relationship with yourself. Get to know yourself“- I want to get to know you better, Elizabeth, through re-reading all that you shared this year here.
On Sept 14 and later, you shared that you are 37, “a single mother raising a boy who is very sensitive“. in 2017, you lost your younger sister, a “very ambitious and a good girl.. my precious sister.. the only other person that I shared really deep secrets with“, to AIDS. You were shocked, feeling “extremely anxious and mostly guilty” when you found out that she had AIDS only a month before she died. You felt guilty because in the months before she died, she called you more often than usual to chat, to find comfort with you, but not knowing that she was dying, you weren’t adequately there for her and “had let her down“.
A couple of months later, Nov 11, I was surprised to read that you suffered from “being bullied by my entire family.. everyone took joy out of bashing me“, because your “entire” family, and “everyone” include your younger sister. I was surprised to read that you “always felt more comfortable among strangers than my own family.. My teens were miserable. My 20s were even worse. I have suffered depression for so long but no one in my family knows“, because it is not congruent with you having shared really deep secrets with your younger sister who has been alive during your teens and 20s.
You met Christopher more than a year after her death (“About a year and some months after her death I met Christopher“, posted Sept 14), corrected later to having met Christopher only one m0nth after your sister’s death (“I got the timeline of when I met Christopher all wrong. I have remembered so clearly now. I met him a month after my sister had passed“, posted Oct 20). Christopher worked in the same company you worked for. In the beginning he was “amazing.. attentive and kind and listened“, and you felt that you “made a friend for life“. The two of you then became lovers. But when your car broke down, and otherwise “things were not going so well” for you, feeling “lost and confused and needed him more than before“, and therefore, having “less and less to offer him he pulled back.. and so he did everything to avoid me“. Since then, you learned that he is selfish, narcissistic, and that “hungry for success and he is the type that will do anything if it will help him move up“, including using you for perks in the company.
While he was doing everything to avoid you, you felt “utterly miserable.. not being able to take care of myself emotionally.. feeling like a terrible mother“. You then “got a not so clever idea in my head that if I got pregnant and had a baby instead I would feel a whole lot better“. And so, in early January 2021, you “finally fell pregnant“, and you were “very excited“. But soon, you were spotting, felt “sad and anxious all the time“, and miscarried about 8 weeks into the pregnancy. When you told Christopher about your miscarriage, you heard a relief in his voice, and you felt “utterly shattered… broken and sad“.
According to the above, shared in Sept 2021, you planned the pregnancy: getting the idea of getting pregnant, and finally falling pregnant. But a couple of months later, in Nov 7 & 11, you changed your story: “we never used protection.. he didn’t plan the pregnancy, neither did I.. I was not actively trying to get pregnant“. Perhaps the following sentence suggests the truth: “Yes, I am not innocent in the situation.. in creating the situation and dealt with it“, Nov 11)
Christopher broke up with you in early February 2021 (“It’s been eight months since we broke up.. when he was breaking up with me“, posted Oct 1, 2021), which according to the timeline above, would be after your pregnancy and before your miscarriage. Or the breakup happened in April 2021, more than a month after your miscarriage (“It’s been over 6 months since Christopher and I broke up”, posted Oct 19, 2021). Before and following the breakup, you felt “so hateful.. lifeless and angry… spiraling out of control.. angry and highly resentful“, missing him still while in a new, long-distance boyfriend, a relationship that ended by this time.
My closing thought- you wrote about Christopher: “he is emotionally stunted! He is a little boy on the inside still struggling to get approval by any means possible. It’s like what my son would do… He is a little boy stuck inside a grown man’s body. He craves approval from his mother“- you are a mother of a “very sensitive” boy, a boy who craves your approval, a boy who craves your loving attention, a boy who craves a mother who is physically and emotionally healthy. Please be these things for your boy, so that he can grow up to be healthier than Christopher, and healthier than you have been so far. It is very difficult to be honest about things we are ashamed of, things we feel guilty for- it is true to me too- but this kind of honesty is necessary if we are to continue to heal.. if we are to continue our individual walks on our individual healing journeys.
anita
November 14, 2021 at 9:54 pm #388666AnonymousInactiveHi,
A couple of months later, Nov 11, I was surprised to read that you suffered from “being bullied by my entire family.. everyone took joy out of bashing me“, because your “entire” family, and “everyone” include your younger sister. I was surprised to read that you “always felt more comfortable among strangers than my own family.. My teens were miserable. My 20s were even worse. I have suffered depression for so long but no one in my family knows“, because it is not congruent with you having shared really deep secrets with your younger sister who has been alive during your teens and 20s.
My late sister and I made up. When I was pregnant with my son, she is the only one that finally sat down and listened to me. after that, she became the one that defended me when my family would gang up against me. the connection happened later in life and I truly appreciated her friendship. she too suffered from our family for a bit. but she was lucky because she was bright and great at school so she was treated well.
According to the above, shared in Sept 2021, you planned the pregnancy: getting the idea of getting pregnant, and finally falling pregnant. But a couple of months later, in Nov 7 & 11, you changed your story: “we never used protection.. he didn’t plan the pregnancy, neither did I.. I was not actively trying to get pregnant“. Perhaps the following sentence suggests the truth: “Yes, I am not innocent in the situation.. in creating the situation and dealt with it“, Nov 11)
I have been posting my random thoughts. But i got pregnant in January this year. So yes we broke up in April. I miscarried at the end of March.
Christopher broke up with you in early February 2021 (“It’s been eight months since we broke up.. when he was breaking up with me“, posted Oct 1, 2021), which according to the timeline above, would be after your pregnancy and before your miscarriage. Or the breakup happened in April 2021, more than a month after your miscarriage (“It’s been over 6 months since Christopher and I broke up”, posted Oct 19, 2021). Before and following the breakup, you felt “so hateful.. lifeless and angry… spiraling out of control.. angry and highly resentful“, missing him still while in a new, long-distance boyfriend, a relationship that ended by this time.
I may have my timeline mixed up. That’s true. Are you in any way suggesting am lying about my experiences? Why on earth would I go through so much trouble? I feel like you are suggesting I am seeking attention.
I have posted deep and personal things here. You have no idea how nerve-wracking it’s been for me to even put any of this online.
Yes, sometimes I zone out to cope. And in the process, my timeline might get mixed up. But that doesn’t mean am making anything up. I have not suggested in any way that I am not ashamed of whatever went down. I am doing the best I can with what am dealing with.
Anyway thanks for listening
Stay well.
Elizabeth.
November 15, 2021 at 1:31 am #388667AnonymousInactiveAnita,
I needed time to respond to your recent post as I was taken aback. in a nutshell, you are calling me a liar and sensationalizing my experience to try and paint myself as an angel or a victim. feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood what you have said especially in your last paragraph which I will quote below.
It is very difficult to be honest about things we are ashamed of, things we feel guilty for- it is true to me too- but this kind of honesty is necessary if we are to continue to heal.. if we are to continue our individual walks on our individual healing journeys.
I may have gotten my timeline mixed up because at the time I just wrote what came to my mind as I remembered them. growing up in order to deal with the pain I developed a habit of zoning out. and I would lose track of time. that’s very true.
I have had to go to my conversations with my late sister to get my timeline correct. this is something I have not done in almost 2 years.
My sister passed away 04th July 2019. I met Christopher end of August of the same year 2019. I was in a bad state and at this point, I had it in my mind that if I had a child the pain and guilt I felt towards my sister would somewhat be resolved. as we got to know each other, Christopher and I that is, this is something I talked to him about. from the onset, when we started sleeping together I did tell him I don’t take birth control and I don’t believe in abortions. I was never divisive. we both got tested for STI and he slept with me without any trouble knowing fully well that I am not on birth control.
While dating we broke up twice in 2020 before we finally broke up this year in April. I got pregnant in January and only tested the first week of February and I was not 4 wks yet. I got my first ultrasound end of February when I was about 6 weeks. At 8 weeks I had a miscarriage. which was the second week of March. I took another week to have the DNC. which brings me to the third week of March. because I had complications I spent two weeks in hospital. I got out at the end of the first week of April. Christopher broke up with me 5 days after that which makes it the second week of April 2021.
between 2019 and January 2021 I had changed my mind about getting pregnant as I had realised that it wasn’t the best time and was acting out of emotional distress at the time. but one thing is for sure, both he and I had not taken any precautions to make sure we didn’t get pregnant. We went on as usual. December 2020, I started a new job which I was very excited about. getting pregnant wasn’t on my bucket list as it would affect my performance. Yes, when I found out I was pregnant I was taken aback, but I was not disappointed. I mean what harm could, having another child do right?
as for my late sister, instead of assuming am making things up why not ask me how we ended up this way?
A couple of months later, Nov 11, I was surprised to read that you suffered from “being bullied by my entire family.. everyone took joy out of bashing me“, because your “entire” family, and “everyone” include your younger sister. I was surprised to read that you “always felt more comfortable among strangers than my own family.. My teens were miserable. My 20s were even worse. I have suffered depression for so long but no one in my family knows“, because it is not congruent with you having shared really deep secrets with your younger sister who has been alive during your teens and 20s.
My late sister and I weren’t always close. it was only after she herself went through the same abuse I had gone through at the hands of my parents and my older sister that she reached out to me. it took a while but we started talking and slowly got close enough for me to even share my deepest secrets. Now that I write this I realise it’s probably because she knew she was sick. My other sister told me she had been positive for 10 years prior to her death.
Reading this last post from you makes me very angry. Yes, I admit I got my timeline mixed, but that doesn’t take away from the things I went through. it doesn’t take away from the fact that I had a horrible childhood, or that I was bullied by my own parents. Or that despite both of us knowing the possible outcomes we went ahead without taking precautions. (Christopher and I) or the fact that he walked off and left me alone to deal with the mess that we both made.
me getting my timelines mixed up doesn’t take away from the fact that I am hurt and in need of healing that I need to find a solution for my emotional issues. Or the fact that I need to do better for my son.
I came here to try and find a solution to my chaos, I was at my wit’s end and was ready to try anything just to feel grounded. Before this, you insinuated that I was imagining Christopher to be bad when in an actual sense he was not. You wrote this to me before asking me what really happened. I feel so sad and frustrated right now.
In what you have written in your latest post one would assume I must be a very twisted person to come up with such an elaborate story. I mean, based on what you have written I am painting a guy black. it might all be in my mind, right?
According to your latest post, I am lying to myself and creating stories to paint myself a victim. I honestly don’t know what to say to this.
You don’t have to believe me. I know what happened to me. And I am doing something about it whether you believe me or not. when I started posting I was hoping my messed up life would offer another person comfort. that they would know they are not the only messed up person. we each have our own demons.
To have all this reduced to this… is so unfair and heartbreaking. I am so disappointed, to be honest. I don’t want to take away from what you have done for me so far. Thanks, you have been helpful as it has helped me uncover memories that I had long buried.
As for Christopher, I don’t hate him anymore he is not worth it. I forgave Christopher and let him loose. I also stopped having any kind of contact with him.
As for my son, I love my son. I am working this hard, dealing with the uncomfortable in order to give him a better childhood. I know you don’t believe me, but at this point, it doesn’t matter. I won’t try to convince you anymore.
I have said enough
Elizabeth.
November 15, 2021 at 8:13 am #388675AnonymousGuestDear Elizabeth (now Anonymous-ed):
“Are you in any way suggesting am lying about my experiences?“- yes, about some of your experiences. I think that you exaggerated, that is, that you misrepresented some situations (not all) and some people (not all) as worse than they are.
“Why on earth would I go through so much trouble?“- I think that it’s something like this: a child falls and scrapes his knee, it hurts, so he goes to his mother and shows her his knee with a few tears in his eyes. Her response: oh, it’s nothing! Don’t be a crybaby and waste my time, bothering me with nothing! Fast forward, the child/ adult exaggerates future injuries so that his mother/ people will think that his hurt is Something, not a.. nothing!
People tend to think that if a person has no way to benefit financially from lying- then the person is not lying. But this is not the case because there are different motivations to lying, including in a forum like this.
“Reading this last post from you makes me very angry. Yes, I admit I got my timeline mixed, but that doesn’t take away from the things I went through. it doesn’t take away from the fact that I had a horrible childhood, or that I was bullied by my own parents“- I believe that you really did have a horrible childhood and that you were bullied by your parents.
“I am hurt and in need of healing that I need to find a solution for my emotional issues. Or the fact that I need to do better for my son“- it is counterproductive to healing to misrepresent any part of your life story by lying/ exaggerating. You don’t have to tell the whole truth at any one time, but what you do choose to share should be true, best you know. It doesn’t mean that your timeline has to be 100% accurate, no one’s memory is perfect, far from it. But remembering that you met Christopher a year ago (about October 2020, “a year and some months” after July 2019) and then re-remembering that you met him over 2 years ago (in August 2019), is quite unbelievable.
When you misrepresent some of your story to fit a point you are trying to make at a particular time, people are likely to doubt the parts of your story that you did not misrepresent- so it’s not a good idea to misrepresent/ lie/ exaggerate any part of your story.
“I love my son. I am working this hard, dealing with the uncomfortable in order to give him a better childhood“- good to read this!
“I have said enough“- you decide how much to say and to whom, but if you are focused on healing and giving your son a better childhood, then see to it that what you do choose to say is true best to your knowledge and understanding.
anita
November 16, 2021 at 3:07 am #388690TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
I don’t know if you’ll be reading this, but I would like to say that I understand you and your motivations, and that I don’t think you deceived anybody here on purpose. I know that in case of trauma, people sometimes don’t remember exactly the timeline of their abuse, and have things mixed up in their memory in terms of what happened when. But besides the mixed up dates of when exactly you met Christopher and when exactly he broke up with you, I believe you told the truth of what happened, and that he indeed treated you badly and caused you a lot of suffering.
This doesn’t mean you had no part in creating the situation, because obviously you stayed with this guy, who wasn’t treating you well, and you had unprotected sex with him. But as I said before, you did it because you didn’t love and respect yourself enough, and you hoped that he might end up loving you and respecting you some day (which was the longing of your inner child). All that is a consequence of your childhood, of having being abused and put down by your parents, and developing a strong need to get love and validation from people who remind you of your parents.
That’s why you stayed in bad relationships, where you didn’t respect yourself, nor did the men you were with respect you. In the relationship with Christopher, you respected yourself so little that you 1) offered to hide from your family and the rest of the world that he is the baby’s father, and 2) you stayed with him even after his despicable behavior during your pregnancy and miscarriage. It was him who broke up with you eventually, not vice versa.
But it isn’t your fault because you didn’t know better – your own emotional wounds prevented you from standing up for yourself and leaving this selfish, callous man. I trust that you suffered greatly at the hands of this man, while at the same time being unable to untangle yourself and let him go. That’s why I must say I don’t agree with anita when she suggests you exaggerated some things – I don’t believe you did. Rather, you allowed bad things to happen to you because of your past wounding.
I do hope you continue to seek healing and deal with your childhood emotional wounds as well. If you ever wish to share your thoughts and feelings again, you are welcome.
Wishing you all the best!
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