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February 26, 2019 at 10:51 am #281893RachelParticipant
Hello everyone,
I was in an emotionally & psychologically abusive relationship with a woman for four and a half years, which ended over a year ago. She raged and screamed at me, blamed me for everything, played the victim whenever I called her out on her behavior, constantly attacked my character, accused me of things, called me terrible names, abandoned me for a month, isolated me from other people and refused to allow me to express any independent thoughts/options or any negative emotions, while claiming she was “positive” and “spiritual” and an “empath” and whatnot. She was also very arrogant, entitled, domineering and racist (I’m black). She also was constantly around me and in contact with me, even going as far to show up at my job and would get angry if I was not constantly in contact with her. My life became centered around catering to her and her needs, taking care of her, cleaning up after her, managing all of the responsibility, being her punching bag and her scapegoat, and it completely shattered my sense of self and of reality. I became angry, mean and resentful, which she also blamed me for. She would claim that she “changed” while not changing anything, demand I forgive her for her behavior and never take responsibility for anything. The whole time we were together I did not see my family, my friendships were eradicated and I lost everything, most importantly my sanity. I now know that she most likely has some sort of personality disorder. Eventually I managed to leave, and although I’ve managed to put my life back together in some ways I find myself struggling a lot to heal from it and move on. She refused to let go and has been guilt tripping me over text, sending gifts and flattering me (I’ve learned this is referred to as love-bombing) asking me to take her back and acting like nothing happened, until I finally blocked her a couple of weeks ago. I’ve been in therapy for a long time on and off, and used to have a pretty good sense of my wounds and how to take care of myself and heal, but I find I don’t know much of anything anymore. I don’t know who I am.
I grew up in an emotionally abusive household as well with parents who also screamed, shamed and criticized me constantly, who rarely offered any love, validation, or compassion. I also had to take on adult responsibilities as a child by raising my younger siblings (for example, when I was 12-13 staying up all night with my little brother when he was a baby while my parents were at work). As a result, I developed a very deep sense of shame, perfectionism and self loathing and have battled depression and anxiety for most of my life.
Now I struggle with feeling any sense of identity or connection to my emotions, or connections to other people. I obsess and think about her all the time, even though I don’t want to resume the relationship ever again. She gaslight and rewrote reality for so long that I can’t see/feel clearly anymore. I am numb, confused, and disassociated most of the time. I have always been pretty introverted and reserved but also very emotional and sensitive. I don’t have any close friendships – mostly I just go to work and then go home. Since all of this happened I have been out of my body and inside of my head, analyzing and ruminating instead of feeling. I have a hard time accepting the truth of what happened and I constantly feel my ex’s presence around me and her voice inside my head. I blame myself and feel that everything was my fault, she called me abusive and a monster which is the opposite of who I thought I was because it has always been important to me to not treat people like my parents treated me. I’ve been trying hard to move on and reconnect to myself and have tried many different things, therapy, guided meditation, energy work, exercise, yoga, etc. However, I can’t seem to shake the cognitive dissonance and it’s hard just not knowing who I am anymore. I often tell myself that it wasn’t that bad and everything was my fault. I feel like a shadow, not a real human being. I’ve talked about this at length with my therapist and with other acquaintances, but I just don’t feel that anyone truly understands what I’ve been through and I don’t feel connected to anyone. People have said I need to just move on and date other people, which I am nowhere near ready for and it’s frustrating to be invalidated in that way. A large part of me feels I should just get over it and it doesn’t matter anymore, I attack myself this way constantly. It’s also more difficult that it was a same-sex relationship – there’s a lot of discourse around abusive men but not so much about abusive women, it feels almost taboo to discuss how women can abuse too.
I guess I am just posting on here to try and get some validation and to maybe connect with other people who’ve been through something similar. I always enjoy reading people’s stories on here, it has helped me to feel more connected as I often feel quite lonely in my everyday life. Thanks for reading.
February 26, 2019 at 1:24 pm #281931AnonymousGuestDear Rachel:
You shared: “I grew up in an emotionally abusive household as well with parents who also screamed, shamed and criticized me constantly”.
You had a 4.5 year relationship with a woman who did the following: “raged and screamed at me, blamed me for everything, payed the victim whenever I called her out on her behavior, constantly attacked my character, accusing me of things, called me terrible names”.
It is very difficult to move on from the abusive childhood that you described, and then, a long term abusive adult relationship. It requires long term healing, an ongoing process that will take at least a few years, I figure. You wrote that you tried therapy, among other things. But for how long did you try therapy and what happened there?
*I suffered an abusive childhood as well, screamed at too, shamed, criticized, accused of things, blamed, threatened and so forth. My healing process started in 2011 with my first quality therapy.
anita
February 26, 2019 at 2:37 pm #281947RachelParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks so much for your response. I started therapy my sophomore year of college when I was 19 – I’m 26 now. I have seen quite a few therapists on and off during that time, most of whom weren’t that helpful. When I was 20, right around the time I met my abusive partner I was in therapy with someone who truly reached me and helped me tremendously. He helped me connect with my inner child and showed me a lot of patience and compassion, which I hadn’t really experienced before. Unfortunately, he was an intern so I only got to see him for a short while before he left, and while with my ex all the work we did together came undone.
I’m in weekly therapy and have been consistently with the same therapist for over two and a half years now. I find I’m often disconnected while in therapy and I have a hard time being present with my emotions. I talk about them and analyze them from an intellectual standpoint, but haven’t really been able to feel them in my body. I also feel a great deal of shame and fear which makes it hard to process. I’ve talked about all of this with my therapist but it feels like nothing has shifted really. Sometimes I feel I scare her with the things I’ve talked about, although she usually says all the right things I just feel a lack of emotional connection. For a long time I didn’t think she even liked me at all. All of those things makes it tough for me to make progress, I wish I felt the same sense of safety that i felt in therapy before but I can’t for some reason. My ex also shamed me a lot for being in therapy and yelled at me about going (she said all I’m doing is ruminating and I’ve been in therapy forever and not getting any better so it’s not working), so that adds another layer of shame that I didn’t really have before. I feel like I should be over all of it by now.
February 26, 2019 at 2:45 pm #281949AnonymousGuestDear Rachel:
I would very much like to read your reply and will be able to do so in about 14 hours from now. Please add anything that comes to mind between now and then. Maybe other members will reply to you before I am back.
anita
February 27, 2019 at 6:12 am #281989AnonymousGuestDear Rachel:
Regarding your second post, the therapist you saw when you were 20, the intern, vs the therapist you’ve seen for 2.5 years: reads to me that the intern felt comfortable with you and genuinely liked you and that made it possible for you to feel comfortable and safe with him. The current therapist at times didn’t feel comfortable with you and you noticed it, and she doesn’t like you like the intern did, and you noticed that too. Therefore you feel uncomfortable and unsafe with her.
Here is the evidence that you noticed she is uncomfortable with you: “Sometimes I feel I scare her with the things I’ve talked about”.
Here is the evidence that you noticed she doesn’t like you: “For a long time I didn’t think she even liked me at all”.
Here is the evidence that you feel uncomfortable with her, too uncomfortable to express more of your feelings with her, but you did feel comfortable with the intern: “I wish I felt the same sense of safety that I felt in therapy before”- there is nothing more comfortable than safety.
She says the right words, but the emotion of comfort and liking you is lacking in her tone of voice/facial expressions: “she usually says all the right things I just feel a lack of emotional connection”-we connect to people we believe like us and are comfortable with us.
Of course you’d be blocked from expressing more if you feel that she is uncomfortable with what you already expressed. To feel safe with a therapist we need to believe that the therapist feels comfortable with what we shared and with what we will share, at least we need to believe that there is a good chance that she will feel comfortable with what we share next.
Regarding your original post: the key sentence to me is what you wrote about your ex girlfriend: “(She) rewrote reality for so long that I can’t see/feel clearly anymore”- key is that you regain your clarity, that you will be able to see clearly.
Your parents “screamed, shamed and criticized (you) constantly, who rarely offered any love”- this means that the young child that you were was scared and she believed she was faulty, wrong, bad, and responsible for what was wrong in the household, which was not true to reality. She also craved love.
As an adult you had a 4.5 year relationship with a woman who also screamed at you, shamed and criticized you, just like your parents. When you pointed to her a behavior she was responsible for and which was harmful to you, she rejected reality, didn’t take responsibility for it: “(She) played the victim whenever I called her out on her behavior”, and instead she attacked you, pointing the finger of blame at you.
Because you craved love, your life “became centered around catering to her and her needs, taking care of her… being her punching bag and her scapegoat”- a person desperate for love will do anything for it. pay any price.
Naturally you “became angry”, because when punched everyone gets angry. It is a natural reaction. But then, she blamed you for getting angry, for a natural reaction to her using you as a punching bag and a scapegoat.
Most recently she was “guilt tripping (you) over text, sending gifts.. asking me to take her back and acting like nothing happened”-
-“nothing happened”-something did happen, you were significantly harmed by her for a long time.
-“guilt tripping”-you are not responsible for her mistreatment of you, neither are you responsible for feeing anger following her mistreatment of you, it is an automatic and natural feeling that follows mistreatment.
-“sending gifts”-there is only one gift you need right now and that is seeing reality clearly. And because she “rewrote reality for so long”, better keep that re-writer out of your life.
What are your thoughts about what I wrote here?
anita
February 27, 2019 at 10:22 am #282025RachelParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you, your words resonate a lot with me. It feels like a weight has been lifted to finally feel understood. I agree, I did feel like the intern liked me and saw my good qualities right from the start. He never made me feel shamed/stupid and that helped me a lot.
I also see a spiritual teacher/practitioner and I mentioned in therapy how the practitioner told me I was a good/loving person and that helped disrupt the tapes I have running in my head of all the things my ex said about me. When I told my therapist this she said she thinks those things also, but once again I just felt uncomfortable and didn’t really believe her. Despite all of the things I’ve told her about my ex she never named it as abuse, I had to learn that on my own. At the beginning of our work together, she said that she’s sure my ex did love me and just did some harmful things sometimes, when I was certain that my ex did not love me at all, not really. I wish someone would have told me to leave her and that she was abusing me. I’ve felt misunderstood from the beginning but I thought maybe I am not seeing things clearly because I’ve been so confused. For example, I was telling her about my boss at my former job and how I didn’t know whether or not she was a safe person. My boss kept wanting to be friends with me and something told me not to open up to her. I told my therapist how when I meet people I try to observe them to see if they’re judging me and whether or not they’re safe/good, and she told me that no one is all good or bad, that’s she was sure my boss did care about me, and that meant I was judgmental too. That broke my heart and I cried a lot about it. I wasn’t trying to say that my boss was all bad, I was just trying to discern whether or not she were a safe person to connect with. It turned out later that I was right about my boss, I did open up to her against my better judgement and I thought maybe I had found a friend. Later she started treating me very badly while I worked myself to death, sometimes even working for free. Eventually the boss screamed and cursed at me and called me lazy, so I ended up quitting.
I hid a lot of my suffering from my therapist for a long time. Now I’m talking about it more but I’m forcing myself because supposedly that’s what I’m supposed to do, and I’ve been told I’m closed off and I don’t let people help me. I wrote her a long email the other day about things I’d experienced with my ex, trying to get more stuff out. She did send a nice email back and I’ve said more in session with her but she hasn’t really said much about the things I’ve experienced, even though I’ve asked her to share more thoughts. I’m waiting for an emotional reaction to show me she actually understands how horrible what I’ve been through is. With the intern I remember I could see the reaction on his face and that helped me feel seen, it helped me feel like my pain was real and mattered to someone. I really need empathy and compassion, and that’s easy to talk about but it’s different actually doing it. While she says she feels empathy for me I do not feel it. I also think there’s a difference between learning about healing from a book/school and having lived experience. She is only a few years older than me and I think that has something to do with it too. I feel bad for feeling this way because she does help me sometimes, and I’ve stayed with her hoping that things would get better, and I have gotten better in some ways. I just want to be known and seen on a deeper level and I’m just not getting that from her, I don’t really want to be told what to do or what’s wrong with me, I just need an emotional connection with someone.
In regards to my ex, I finally blocked her from contacting me a few weeks ago. It took me a very long time to do that because of the guilt tripping. She would send pages of text about how she was in the hospital and had developed MS and how she wanted to move back with me because there was no one to take care of her. I felt heartless if I didn’t answer and I did consider letting her come back. She also blamed her behavior on MS and said that was the reason she acted the way she did and that she was sorry, but because of that she “didn’t stand a chance”. The whole time we were in contact I still felt like the relationship was ongoing, she refused to acknowledge we had broken up. Every time I mentioned that we were now broken up she would get upset. She was even dating/living with someone else (within three months of us breaking up) and telling me the new girl was just a rebound and she wanted to get back with me. But right after we broke up she said she didn’t want to get back together with me, she was relentlessly contacting me because “she genuinely cared about me”. She also twisted things around and said the breakup was mutual and she left because I didn’t spend enough time with her. Once again, when I told her I didn’t want to get back together because she had haunted me with her horrible words she didn’t take any responsibility, she just said “well, you said stuff too”.
I agree, seeing reality is the only gift I need, but I find it very difficult. I used to be pretty smart/opinionated but I find myself getting confused about just about everything. Even at work I struggle to do anything and I always feel very uncertain. I agree with you on some level that I wasn’t responsible for how she treated me but I still blame myself for my reactions and think that maybe I should have given or done more. My parents were very angry people and as a result I am very adverse to expressing anger and usually just dismiss it within myself when it comes up. In fact, I dismiss any negative emotion (sadness/fear/anxiety/anger). I think this is a huge part of why I feel so disconnected, I feel like I have to be happy all of the time. I wish I could reconnect with myself and my intuition but I find it so difficult. I keep running around trying all sorts of different things to “fix” myself. Some days I feel okay but most of the time I’m just all over the place.
February 27, 2019 at 12:10 pm #282041AnonymousGuestDear Rachel:
You are welcome. Regarding your current therapist, I agree: “there’s a difference between learning about healing from a book/school and having lived experience”.
Likely, your therapist didn’t resolve her own relationship with an unloving and abusive parent, still in contact with him or her, maybe even living with the parent, still exposed to abuse. This is very common to adult children of abusive parents, including certified psychotherapists.
She probably, I am thinking, convinced herself that her parent is not all bad (“no one is all good or bad”), that her parent loved/ loves her “and just did some harmful things sometimes”, that it wasn’t really abuse (she wouldn’t call what your ex did abuse) and she convinced herself that her parent does care about her, therefore “she was sure my boss did care about me” (how could she possibly be sure, never having met your boss…).
“I just want to be known and seen on a deeper level and I’m just not getting that from her”-
A therapist who may very well still be engaged with an abusive parent can help a client only so far but not beyond it. For one thing, every therapist who listens to a client without interrupting the client and nodding her head in sign that she is indeed listening, that alone is helpful. But to get help on a deeper level, I don’t think she is capable of doing that because she didn’t help herself yet.
Regarding your ex, I have no doubt that you should have no contact with her whatsoever.
You wrote: “she had haunted me with her horrible words… she just said ‘well, you said stuff too'”-
– I understand that you are confused and feel guilty. I will ask you a question (and maybe more to come,if you are willing) in effort of helping you remove that confusion: what horrible words did she use (you can use *&** to disguise profanity, for example f*&*) and what stuff was she referring to in her comment?
anita
February 27, 2019 at 12:22 pm #282049AnonymousGuestDear Rachel:
One more thing: your therapist suggesting, by omission, that your ex girlfriend did not abuse you, suggesting that a boss she doesn’t know cares about you and so forth, is not only not helpful to you, but is harmful to you, invalidating your reality, your objective reality, such as you really were abused by your ex girlfriend, so I suggest ending therapy with her.
I will soon be away from the computer for a few hours (not focused enough at this point).
anita
February 27, 2019 at 10:15 pm #282141GLParticipantDear Rachel,
You are rationalizing your emotional issues. The clue was in the fact you are very intent on ‘fixing’ yourself because you feel that there is something wrong with you, because you were told, again and again, that there is something wrong with you. Starting from your family to your past abusive ex, you’ve been conditioned to become the mood maker, the helper, the cleaner, etc. You were taught at a young age by your parents that if your desired for affection is to be reciprocated, then you must do whatever it is that will please them, even at their cruelest, because they are your parents and you desperately wanted their approval, their love, their care. You were taught that ‘love’ is conditional, that you must be something or do something for someone, for them, to love you. But the thing was, no matter what you did, they never once approved nor validate your right to existence. Your actions were met with scorn while your voice, your thoughts and opinions, were disregarded as nonsense. So you learned to be complacent, never overstepping, because that was the role your parents assigned to you. Because even if they were shouting at you, at least they were looking at you.
Now, you’re looking for a solution to the broken dam that is your emotions. Since your childhood didn’t afford a safe space to explore the human spectrum of emotions, it’s not surprising that you don’t feel much connection to your own emotions. It didn’t feel safe so you dissociated and you never stopped. Due to that, you, and many others out there, view your emotional distress as a problem, not unlike a math problem, to be solve so that you can move on. Because if you can just solve this one problem, then maybe you’ll actually be a normal human being for once, past notwithstanding.
Yet what they don’t tell you is that emotions are highly illogical. People feel first, then think later to which people will justify their actions in a manner that suits them. Emotions come and go, fluctuating from morning to night. You can’t guess what you’ll feel, simply that there will be something. And, your emotions will be with you till your last breath, so melancholia of a kind might be a frequent visitor in all your years. Why? Because even the veterans will tell you that no matter the emotions, emotions will always be one of the most self-defeating facet of human beings. In other words, it sucks. And it’s crushing due to fact that humans judge their life based on their emotions. So no, you can’t ‘solve’ your emotions. Emotions do not have structure, they simply exist inside you.
One of your objective should be to simply let yourself feel, both the good and bad. Since your childhood, emotions has been a heavy thing due to your wish for validation from your parents so you chose to sealed it since it was safer that way. But that is not serving you now as your past abusive relationship is any indication. Let yourself feel and to be okay with it. Let yourself name the emotions as they come, acknowledging them, accepting them for what they are. Let them be not a problem to solve but a human thing. It will be scary in the beginning, but with anything, making yourself do it is how the story/journey begins.
If, after 2.5 years, of seeing this counselor and not feeling like you’ve reached anywhere, that’s a red flag. Though it usually takes a few months of getting comfortable with a counselor, if you feel that even after those few months, your counselor is not listening to you nor helping you examined your life in a way that is eye opening, then it’s time to move on. A counselor’s job is to help their client reframe their perspective of their life, but if they can only offer words that sounds good yet does little to nothing, then you have a listening ear, not a counselor. You are not compel to stay with a counselor if YOU feel that they are not a good fit for you, you can move on to another person and continue doing so until you find someone who can objectively listen, compassionate, and actually help you understand your mental and emotional framework. When you look for a new counselor, look for a counselor that specializes in family dynamics. They should have a good understanding of ‘narcissistic parenting’.
But a warning, you cannot let yourself become dependent on your counselor.
Right now, you are desperate for any emotional connections because you’ve paint your identity in shame, guilt, failure, etc. So maybe a relationship with someone might indicate that you aren’t really as bad as you think you are because they need you for whatever it is you can give them. They NEED you so maybe that means you have worth, right? Nope, it’s an exercise in futility.
Because that relationship based on them needing you for your providing them whatever they need is a co-dependent relationship full of conditions of you doing X, they do Y in return. Because that is your identity, a shame of a failure, so what rights do you have to happiness? To a relationship of unconditional support and affection? To people respecting your humanity? Respecting your need and wants? Which would explain the case of your ex. To you, being shamed by someone who is intimate with you in any way (family, friends, lover) is normal; you’re accustomed to that abuse. That was your reality so anything else, anything different is foreign and scary. That’s why you dated someone who abused you, worked for someone who would use you. But that can’t be all to life, is there? Well, even though you are seeing a counselor, you yourself will have to make the resolve to open a lot of doors from the past and face them. But you’ll fall more times than you’d like as you revisit each decision that led you to where you are now. Without a support system, that’s incredibly difficult.
So you’re still looking for someone to depend on, to give validation that your existence matters. You don’t have friends to turn to to complain about this or that. To ask for opinions on this or that. To open up about your childhood and abusive relationship. To just hang out for the simple fact that you like these other human beings. So your counselor can easily become that ‘friend’ for you. But at the end of the day, your counselor is your counselor, not your friend. Their job is to help you make sense of your actions and emotions, not be a friend. They are your confidante, but not an intimate nuclear family. So be careful that you do not become dependent on your counselor in that way. Though it does help to discuss the boundaries of your professional relationship.
Being human, you will face situations in various stages in life where you question your values as a person. Humans are cruel to each other because they fear others, but most especially themselves. So they lash out in some form; some as abusers, some as people pleaser, some turn to an addiction. Humans are more fragile than they like to think. That doesn’t excuse their actions, but YOU have the choice in reaction. You choose how to response. The situation with your ex is a good example. You’ve finally said ‘no’ to her excuses, you’ve put your foot down on extending a relationship was more harmful than good. You acted on behalf of yourself and your emotional health. That’s a victory and a good starting point. You want hope and do have hope for yourself and your future. You are looking at yourself with a little light.
Now, the hard part, which is you keep going. You have to keep trying to wade through the muck with little litter of sunlight because life has an ironic sense of humor that likes to play human as the fool/jester in their tragicomedy. And human has the tendency to focus more on the tragedy than the comedy so that makes it all that much more difficult. With a future that seems bleak and a heaviness that does not dispel, you’ll want to quit many, many times. Life is not lived linearly so it’s best to not have expectations about healing linearly. You’ll have your ups and downs, with the downs so heavy you don’t want to get out of bed. During those times, you have to choose whether to actually give up or rest then begin again. And that’s hard, to keep going. So you ask yourself, what is your hope?
Good luck.
PS, saying ‘no’ is an exercise in and of itself so make sure to practice.
February 28, 2019 at 10:45 am #282247RachelParticipantHi Anita,
I think you’re right, and I’ve had the same observations at times. My therapist told me how she became a therapist because she never felt heard as a child, which struck me as interesting because sometimes I don’t feel heard/understood by her. I agree, you can only be helped by someone as far as they’ve helped themselves. Like I’ve said, she has helped me in some ways. I feel like some sessions are good, some irritate me. I’ve thought about stopping with her but I always thought it was me, that maybe I’m resistant to change or being helped. She has been more validating in past weeks, but I feel like I’m putting in so much effort to try and explain the things I’m feeling and going through. It’s exhausting. It’s nice to have that feeling when you just feel understood, without having to make an argument for why you feel every minute emotion. My ex was also like this so maybe I’m carrying some of that into therapy – when I was upset she would relentlessly badger me about the why my emotions if I ever showed anything other than happiness and devotion to her, instead of just letting me experience them and supporting me in that. She was also always trying to fix/change me and I always had to explain that I didn’t need fixing I just need support. She just would never understand/be empathetic/allow me to feel anything.
I have trouble letting go/putting boundaries with people. I do have therapy with her tonight so I guess I will see how I feel. The effort of having to say goodbye and find someone else feels too exhausting for me, I don’t feel like going through this whole process over and over again. Sometimes I feel like I should just stop therapy and help myself instead, because in listening to so many people telling me I need to do this or that or that I have such and such problems, I don’t even know what’s real anymore. I tend to put up with toxic/unhealthy situations for much too long, until it becomes unbearable. I have a high tolerance for pain/discomfort – my parents never really let us complain about anything, because since they grew up overseas (in Western Africa) and in poverty they had it so much worse supposedly. Like with my ex, I actually wanted to leave her only a few short weeks into the relationship, because I could already see red flags (her saying I love you after only a couple of weeks, wanting to move in with me, being angry for no reason, getting upset when I wanted space/time with my friends, among other things). But I always let my guilt/sense of obligation get the best of me.
My ex told me I was that I was a monster, crazy, dishonest, judgmental, dramatic, mean, controlling, stupid, emotionally unavailable, unaffectionate cold, an addict (when things got really bad I was smoking a lot to get through it all, that’s when she called me that), a narcissist, a b***, bipolar, that I never apologize (when she screamed at me she would demand I apologize to her for it then get mad when I refused), that I was spoiled and privileged, that I don’t know what the f*** I’m talking about, I’m unloving, I don’t know how to love women, accused me of cheating/lying, when I didn’t want to go out and wanted to stay in she said I was f*** up and needed to take pills to fix me. I also would hide in my room or in the bathroom from her, and she would complain that I was ignoring her and therefore abusive. I’m attracted to both men and women and she said that was disgusting and I should essentially be ashamed of my sexuality, which really screwed me up.
The stuff she was referring to – I often called her a child and said she was selfish, ungrateful and manipulative and didn’t know how to deal with her emotions or take responsibility. Towards the end of the relationship I started ignoring her quite a lot and spending as much time as possible away from her. We stopped being intimate with each other which she blamed me for, because I was never in the mood and just hated touching her/having her touch me or being around her at all. I feel the most guilt around that, especially because she always said how her mom would leave her alone all the time so she couldn’t stand ever to be ignored/alone, and I know withholding affection is abusive as well.
Hi Anita,
I think you’re right, and I’ve had the same observations at times. My therapist told me how she became a therapist because she never felt heard as a child, which struck me as interesting because sometimes I don’t feel heard/understood by her. I agree, you can only be helped by someone as far as they’ve helped themselves. Like I’ve said, she has helped me in some ways. I feel like some sessions are good, some irritate me. I’ve thought about stopping with her but I always thought it was me, that maybe I’m resistant to change or being helped. She has been more validating in past weeks, but I feel like I’m putting in so much effort to try and explain the things I’m feeling and going through. It’s exhausting. It’s nice to have that feeling when you just feel understood, without having to make an argument for why you feel every minute emotion. My ex was also like this so maybe I’m carrying some of that into therapy – when I was upset she would relentlessly badger me about the why my emotions if I ever showed anything other than happiness and devotion to her, instead of just letting me experience them and supporting me in that. She was also always trying to fix/change me and I always had to explain that I didn’t need fixing I just need support. She just would never understand/be empathetic/allow me to feel anything.
I have trouble letting go/putting boundaries with people. I do have therapy with her tonight so I guess I will see how I feel. The effort of having to say goodbye and find someone else feels too exhausting for me, I don’t feel like going through this whole process over and over again. Sometimes I feel like I should just stop therapy and help myself instead, because in listening to so many people telling me I need to do this or that or that I have such and such problems, I don’t even know what’s real anymore. I tend to put up with toxic/unhealthy situations for much too long, until it becomes unbearable. I have a high tolerance for pain/discomfort – my parents never really let us complain about anything, because since they grew up overseas (in Western Africa) and in poverty they had it so much worse supposedly. Like with my ex, I actually wanted to leave her only a few short weeks into the relationship, because I could already see red flags (her saying I love you after only a couple of weeks, wanting to move in with me, being angry for no reason, getting upset when I wanted space/time with my friends, among other things). But I always let my guilt/sense of obligation get the best of me.
My ex told me I was that I was a monster, crazy, dishonest, judgmental, dramatic, mean, controlling, stupid, emotionally unavailable, unaffectionate cold, an addict (when things got really bad I was smoking a lot to get through it all, that’s when she called me that), a narcissist, a b***, bipolar, that I never apologize (when she screamed at me she would demand I apologize to her for it then get mad when I refused), that I was spoiled and privileged, that I don’t know what the f*** I’m talking about, I’m unloving, I don’t know how to love women, accused me of cheating/lying, when I didn’t want to go out and wanted to stay in she said I was f*** up and needed to take pills to fix me. I also would hide in my room or in the bathroom from her, and she would complain that I was ignoring her and therefore abusive. I’m attracted to both men and women and she said that was disgusting and I should essentially be ashamed of my sexuality, which really screwed me up.
The stuff she was referring to – I often called her a child and said she was selfish, ungrateful and manipulative and didn’t know how to deal with her emotions or take responsibility. Towards the end of the relationship I started ignoring her quite a lot and spending as much time as possible away from her. We stopped being intimate with each other which she blamed me for, because I was never in the mood and just hated touching her/having her touch me or being around her at all. I feel the most guilt around that, especially because she always said how her mom would leave her alone all the time so she couldn’t stand ever to be ignored/alone, and I know withholding affection is abusive as well.
February 28, 2019 at 10:56 am #282255RachelParticipantAlso, what adds to my confusion is how her friends and other people around us would always say how loving she was and how much she loved me/talked about me, and she did act lovingly at times. So that’s what makes it hard for me to think about the situation clearly.
February 28, 2019 at 2:39 pm #282287RachelParticipantDear GL,
You have some amazing insight, thank you so much. I do very much agree that I’m rationalizing my emotions, and have been doing that pretty intensely for quite a long time. Before this relationship I didn’t rationalize as much – I didn’t often share my emotions with other people but I let myself be sad, cry, feel fear, etc while alone or with someone who I felt was safe. It’s hard re-learning how to feel my emotions when they’ve been caged in for so long and I’ve been so often shamed or misunderstood for expressing anything. With my ex, she would even get angry that I showed any sense of being tired after working two jobs and 12 hour days. I’ve always been expected to be constantly strong and take care of everything and everyone and always have all the answers. I’ve been told I’m too independent but then I am shamed whenever I show vulnerability. It’s frustrating.
You’re right, my therapist is not my friend and I should not be dependent on her. I find that I most definitely am, like you said I don’t have any friends to spend time with so she’s my only source of human interaction outside of work. I find it very hard to find people to genuinely connect with. I like what you said about life/healing not being linear & that emotions can’t be solved like a math problem. I’ve thought that to myself often, but I feel that’s been something drilled into me be other people, that I should be able to fix/snap out of my emotions and now it’s difficult to unlearn that. I think people in general don’t allow much space for negative emotions and we’re expected to always be efficient and perfect like machines. As I’ve gotten older and had these negative experiences I’ve definitely become one of the masses in that way. Even though I know I should express my emotions and it’s safe to do so now I feel I don’t even remember how.
February 28, 2019 at 7:36 pm #282315GLParticipantDear Rachel,
Indeed, society is compromised of many individuals with their own thoughts and emotions which takes up form in their reality. But people tend to be narrow minded in that their reality is the most important one to them because it’s the only reality that they can look through to see the world. That’s why it’s easy to be self center and egoistic; after all, you can only see through your own eyes. That’s why there is discomfort when someone is different; they cannot see the reality of other people. Hence, conformity is more comfortable and enforced in many ways. The comfort lies in knowing, or thinking, that if people are controllable, their actions can be predicted, so less unknowing. Humans do not do well with the unknown, they fear the lack of control. That’s why people will try to control/manipulate your actions, like your ex, because their reality makes them fear not being in control so they will try very hard to make their reality conform to their thoughts, their desires, their needs.
Right now, it’s the age of technological advances. But because of the reliance on technology, humans are demanding more and more out of technology, which lead to ‘instant gratification’. Hungry? Order takeout. Need grocery? Order it from store. Bore? There’s Netflix. You can find almost anything on the web these days so why in the world would you have any problem, right? Or so the underlying meaning goes.
But that sort of thinking generated a ‘fix it’ culture. Since the web can connect you to something of a solution to your problem, you shouldn’t have much problem finding a solution. And that somehow crossed over to human emotions. That, and the self help industry amplified that. Example: Have a spiritual crisis? Look to that guru. So you don’t have an excuse as to not be feeling better would be the persuasive argument; you have a solution at the tip of your fingers, you just have to go on Google.
People are glued to their phone, scrolling through their apps, ‘connecting’. That is the norm of society in the developed world so you’re not alone. You’re merely doing what other people are doing because other people were taught the same thing. And now that the Internet is one of the few way people actually connect to other people, it’s getting increasingly difficult to learn how to be human with other human beings. That means that thing like vulnerability and accountability is really scary because they never had the chance to practice it through the Internet. But the Internet is taking over their daily life. So the conundrum of should versus would.
Then there is the ‘my reality is important’ therefore my needs trump yours then people are just plain selfish. But like you, that is what they learned during their own childhood. They were taught that being selfish is better than being a people pleaser so they operate on the conditions that the world revolve around them in some way. But those people were not taught self awareness; to question their own thoughts, actions or emotions. They are not taught to self reflect on the why, they were taught to simply think of what they might want and to go get it, other people not withstanding. And it’s frustrating, because they do not hesitate to use others to obtain their goal. They do not hesitate to demean and belittle others who are not like them, who is not them. Society may call it the spirit of competition, but society does not hesitate to shun those who has ‘lost’.
It seems hopeless, doesn’t it? Hopeless in that people are hurting each other every second of each day in some way or form. Hopeless in that people do not wish for connection, but benefit from each other. Hopeless in that it feels like the world had abandoned you. Hopeless in that you can’t seem to change your reality.
Well, it will be hopeless. Life was never meant to be all cheers and sunshine. Sunshine might be sunshine, but unless you can see it for what it is, you only have the abstract version of sunshine. Right now, you know hopelessness, frustration, anger, sorrow and all those muck that feels really heavy on your heart. Let yourself feel that, let yourself see it for what it is. Because you’ll likely experience them again some time in your however long life. But even though they are heavy feelings, you at least know you can weather the storm. You been doing so for many years of your life, yet you are still going. That’s a victory. That’s a victory because you still kept going even when all seems hopeless. And since you know what the storm is like, you can also know what happen when the rain stops and the cloud part for the sun. It’ll take awhile, but it’s not impossible. You know hopelessness, so you can move forward to know hope.
Meanwhile, get to know yourself. You’ve spent many years catering to other people, it’s high time you learn what makes you tick as a person. And once you have an inkling, go explore. Does your work allow time for a hobby? If not, starting out on the Internet might be better until you can physically do it in person. There’s a lot of forums/group you can join. There are also apps. You can connect and maybe eventually meet in person to form a human friendship. You have a lot of options, but you have to allow yourself those options.
Do you know about the MBTI? It’s a psychological theory of a basic neurological framework. It can get you started on understanding how you, as a person, see the world and how you would want to interact with it. Link to a test below.
https://www.idrlabs.com/test.php
I think you’re really amazing. You’ve been through years of abuse, starting from your normative year, yet you still made the decision to cut off your toxic relationship with your ex. When abuse is normalized, it usually take years for people to wake up and say enough, then actually leaving behind their abuser. That you did it now while also seeking outside help shows that you have enough awareness that your reality was harmful to your health. You did what felt right for yourself. For even if you go through therapy, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ll always make the best decision for your health. You’ll make plenty of mistakes as you live, but you showed that you held yourself accountable for your own self, and that’s admirable.
Best
March 1, 2019 at 7:26 am #282355AnonymousGuestDear Rachel:
I read your recent posts. I read abuse on the part of your ex girlfriend toward you, but I did not read abuse on your part toward her.
You wrote: “I know withholding affection is abusive as well”- only if doing so purposefully, for the purpose of hurting the other person, but when you didn’t feel like being touched by her following her abusive behavior, that is not abusive on your part, it is a natural reaction to being abused.
“She (your ex girlfriend) was also always trying to fix/ change me”- if she intended to fix you, or to change you for the better, the first thing she needed to do was to stop her abusive words and behavior toward you.
“to add to my confusion is how her friends and other people around us would always say how loving she was and how much she loved me/ talked about me, and she did act lovingly at times”-
I used to be confused as well. My mother was abusive toward me. One example of her abuse was that she repeatedly said to me “You are a big zero!”.
At other times she told me that I was smart and pretty. To other people she bragged about the good things teachers said to her about me. She acted very lovingly to strangers much of the time, and sometimes she acted lovingly to me. Strangers told me: how lucky you have such a wonderful mother!
Here is what I learned:
-when a person abuses you repeatedly, she/he doesn’t love you.
As simple as that.
anita
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