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  • #413029
    Lost1Flow
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    How I just wish there was someone else. She has no siblings, and as I mentioned, my brother passed away. She got very clingy after his death, and I was mourning so much at the time too (we were very close and only two years apart), I fell into the codependent relationship too. If I had only known the beast it would morph into…

    #413037
    Anonymous
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    Dear Lost1Flow:

    What if you tell your mother how you truly feel: maybe she will rise to the occasion and help her daughter (you)… because you need her help…?

    anita

    #413040
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Lost1Flow,

    I understand the difficult situation you found yourself in after your brother’s tragic death. Both you and your mother were devastated, and the mourning probably made you even closer. You said she became very clingy, and you became her only support. How old were you when the accident happened, if I may ask?

    What is interesting is that your mother didn’t turn to your father for support in those difficult times, but she relied on you. This tells me that your father probably wasn’t too emotionally available. Is he the type of person who doesn’t express emotions, and couldn’t really talk about emotions after your brother’s death?

    If he was/is an emotionally unavailable man, then what probably happened is that your mother found an emotional partner in you. She could share with you what she couldn’t share with him. And she got dependent on you and needy, like a child.

    Maybe that neediness was present in her even before your brother’s death, but it was less obvious, because she was somehow coping. But your brother’s death triggered it, and she regressed, so to speak, into a helpless, child-like state. I am only guessing this – please correct me if I am wrong.

    And she hasn’t recovered from that neediness, even if years have passed since your brother’s death. She became totally dependent on you. In the past you’ve encouraged her to reach out to people and make new friends, but she refused. She kept clinging to you.

    I imagine things became even more difficult when your granny got sick, as well as your father, and she became their care-taker. Then there was no way she would let you leave her side…. and so over time, this clinginess and codependency turned into a beast, as you’ve called it.

    In fact, she is clingy, and you are codependent. Because you’re taking care of a person who doesn’t want to take care of her own needs, and expects you to take care of her emotionally. You feel responsible for her well-being, while she refuses to take responsibility for it.

    Even though she is telling you she wants you to have a life of your own, she doesn’t really mean it, because in her mind, it would mean like being abandoned and helpless and alone. I think this is the message she is sending you, either directly or indirectly: that if you leave, it will ruin her. And of course, it makes you feel tremendously guilty, because you don’t want to cause harm to your mother. You feel trapped, because you really believe that she won’t make it without you.

    Would you say this is true?

     

    #413067
    Lost1Flow
    Participant

    Hi Tee, it’s like you’re reading my mind…

    You feel responsible for her well-being, while she refuses to take responsibility for it. 100%

    Even though she is telling you she wants you to have a life of your own, she doesn’t really mean it, because in her mind, it would mean like being abandoned and helpless and alone. …you don’t want to cause harm to your mother. You feel trapped, because you really believe that she won’t make it without you.

    Yes, yes and yes! She was never in a happy marriage with my father. It wasn’t an actual arranged marriage, but pretty close. So yes, I was her everything emotionally and friendship-wise in place of him. She made excuse after excuse why she couldn’t leave him, but never actually did. So yes, there was definitely a lot of neediness even prior to my brother’s death (he was 15, I was 13).

    Anita, to your point, years ago I tried talking to her about all this dysfunction in our relationship, and she got horribly defensive, called me all horrible things, and we got into such a wicked fight, I never brought it up again. I just tried to slowly detach more, but the same patterns always crept back in. Then when all the caregiving started, it just got that much worse.

    #413070
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lost1Flow:

    I am glad that I asked my question 13 hours ago,  because in your answer, you provided very important, new information. Before I asked the question, I thought of your mother as a quiet, passive, weak woman who needs your help (and I thought that maybe, just maybe, she was not be aware that you feel badly about her neediness). I thought that maybe if she became aware that you need her to be stronger, she will rise to the occasion and be stronger- for your sake.

    Following your answer, I see that your mother has been strong all along when she needs to overpower you. Years ago, you tried to assert yourself, to have a bit of power in the relationship with her, and she squashed your bit of power with horrible words and a wicked fight. She squashed your power so successfully, that you “never brought it up again“.

    You started your original post with “I put myself in a horrible position“- I think that it is not you, but your mother, who has placed you in the position. When you tried to get yourself out of this position (that one time years ago), she blocked your effort offensively (not defensively) when she called you “all horrible things“, etc.

    From my experience with my mother, I can tell you that what helped me a lot to move on from the oppressive Guilt I felt in regard to her, was when I realized that… she didn’t really love me, that she didn’t really care about me. It was a shocking realization that took a lot of time to settle… because my mother physically worked very hard as the sole provider, bought me the best of clothes, toys and such and told me how much she sacrificed for me, how hard she worked for me, etc.

    I was amazed at the thought that she doesn’t love me, but it is true: there is a difference between needing someone for a particular purpose and loving that someone. Think of this, if you will: if your mother loved you, if she cared about you, she would have taken the opportunity years ago, when you brought up the dysfunction in the relationship with her (meaning that she became aware at that time, if not earlier, that you were suffering in the context of your relationship with her)- she would have taken that opportunity to try to  FIX the relationship, so that you, Lost1Flow will feel better… and perhaps not be in the chronic pain you’ve been in, wouldn’t she?

    anita

    #413073
    Lost1Flow
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    That is a very difficult and painful realization you went through. I am very sorry you had to experience that.

    Again, I’m so thankful for this forum, as it helps so much to hear others situations and discover new ways of overcoming deeply rooted and buried challenges.  I think perhaps deep down I’ve realized some of these things as well, but denied/refused to accept the truths because they are so hard to accept. So many therapist also say, ‘we cannot blame our parents for everything’ and I’ve taken that probably too literally. Sometimes we can. and should, to move on and forward.

    Thank you again for the perspective.

     

    #413075
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lost1Flow:

    You are welcome. There is freedom in realizing what is true, even if it is a painful realization. The pain- when you don’t realize a major truth- keeps going and going, but the pain when you do realize a major truth… goes away, it gets resolved.

    So many therapist also say, ‘we cannot blame our parents for everything’ and I’ve taken that probably too literally. Sometimes we can. and should, to move on and forward“- the reason parents are to blame for so much when it comes to their children’s suffering is that parents are very powerful in their children’s lives: a young child is like a blank page and whatever the parent says and does gets written on that page in ink. The point in pointing to parents as the source of our suffering- when it is true that they are- is to no longer suffer, and like you wrote, to move on and forward!

    anita

    #413076
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Lost1Flow,

    I think perhaps deep down I’ve realized some of these things as well, but denied/refused to accept the truths because they are so hard to accept.

    I am glad you’re now allowing yourself to accept some of those hard truths, even though they hurt…

    So many therapist also say, ‘we cannot blame our parents for everything

    We don’t need to blame them (as in forever, eternally resenting them and never forgiving them). However, we need to know how they failed to meet our needs. As Barbara Heffernan, a psychologist that I follow on youtube, said: “Healing is a fact-finding, not a fault-finding mission.” You need to know the facts, so you can act accordingly.

    She was never in a happy marriage with my father. It wasn’t an actual arranged marriage, but pretty close. So yes, I was her everything emotionally and friendship-wise in place of him. She made excuse after excuse why she couldn’t leave him, but never actually did. So yes, there was definitely a lot of neediness even prior to my brother’s death (he was 15, I was 13).

    Right… it’s pretty clear that she used you to meet her own emotional needs, instead of vice versa – to be there for you and meet your emotional needs. Role reversal happened, and you became like a parent to her – you were “parentified”.

    There is a good youtube video on parentification, titled “Copying with being a parentified child“, by Kati Morton. She also talks about strategies how to heal. One is to grieve the childhood you’ve never had, another one is to allow yourself to be child-like and do things that make you happy, spontaneous and care-free.

    But I think the most important would be to slowly get disentangled from your mother’s grip. You said:

    My life is just such a sad existence of going to work, dealing with them, and being too exhausted for much else.

    You’d need to change that, and introduce a time in a day for self-care: where you do things only for yourself, meet your own needs, do something you like and enjoy. Try to claim some time and space for yourself, don’t stay 100% dedicated to your mother. And don’t feel guilty about it, because you deserve it. It is your right.

    So mu advice is to change your daily routine, even if ever so slightly, to include more of your needs and preferences, and less of your mother’s. She will probably object, but stay firm and don’t allow her to guilt-trip you. Remember: you deserve it and it is your right!

     

    #413135
    Lost1Flow
    Participant

    Tee and Anita, thank you both so much for all your support and wise words. Certainly will be following this advice and exploring these topics further. Wishing you both peace and happiness 🙂

    #413136
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lost1Flow:

    You are very welcome, thank you for your appreciation and good wishes,  and please do post again anytime you feel the need!

    anita

    #413138
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Lost1Flow,

    you are very welcome! And thank you for your good wishes!

    I am glad this conversation helped you and gave you some ideas on how to proceed. Wishing you success in introducing the changes, slowly but surely.

    Please write if you need help, and do let us know how you’re doing. I am rooting for you!

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