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  • #219011
    Justin
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    Hello everyone,

    My names Justin. I’m not even sure were to start. I have carried around a lot of learned toxic behavior my whole life and have done a lot of work but when ever things have seemed good I’ve stopped seeking counsel.

    I’ve known of my wife for a really long time, was my sisters bestfriend when we were growing up. 3 years ago we connected and man did the sparks fly, we were so compatible. I’ve never in my life felt more loved than by her and her whole family, and neither did she, we thought we were soulmates, so much love and passion. We really didn’t waste any time and thinking about it now we rushed things big time, moved in together in 6 months and were married on our 1 year anniversary. I did have a slight pang when she asked me to move in but I ignored it and went with the flow so to speak. I should mention she was previously married for 15 years and has a child with her ex. He’s in the picture seeing his son every other weekend. I was very positive and excited to be a step dad as I don’t have children of my own. But lets be real parenting when its your own child is hard enough let alone when you are tasked with being a full time dad to a child that isn’t yours and was made quite clear I was to have zero say in how he was raised. I was to be his buddy only at least until the trust was built. Understandable now that I think about it, but this was a cause of quite a lot of tension. The balance involved in being a family unit is immense and my wife and I tried hard to keep it together for all of us. I was as needy for her attention as her son was, I tried so hard to to be better, more involved with him and give my wife the space for herself, but felt like an outsider a lot. I put myself on the outside though.

    Fast forward a couple years, my wife decided she couldn’t do it anymore and wanted to live apart but continue to try at us (4months ago). While we were still living together I was going to counseling here and there and we went to couples counseling a couple times. I was in my final year (2 month trade school) of school when she decided that we should separate, I was devastated and stressed to the max. Please don’t think I’m trying to make her out to be this horrible person cause she’s not she really did try I think (she suffers from depression) and I dropped the ball constantly by not trying to think differently or be more active in changing my selfish ways. So I thought I got over that and had positive intention of truly making it work but in reality I did nothing to help myself or us. I was filled with resentment from our separation and that made its way into our conversations a lot. This continued until 2 weeks ago yesterday when had a horrible ending to our evening together and I left for work the next day not really knowing what to say. I called her on my lunch and we had an argument and then back to the terrible text exchanges which ended in her saying she was finished. We’ve both said stuff in the heat of the moment.

    Since that day I wrote her a letter and left her a card owning all my shit and asked her not to give up. She’s texted me a few times saying thank you and asked for some time and space, which I of course respected. Early this week she texted me again and said there was a letter on my car. I haven’t talked to her or seen in 2 weeks. She wrote this beautiful letter saying she felt strongly we can’t make this work and that she is so sorry that she can’t do it anymore. She’s in no hurry to get divorced or have anyone else but want to concentrate on her and being a mom. Of course this week has been maybe the worst of my entire life, I’ve pushed away the most beautiful woman I’ve ever known and it rings true that you don’t know what you have until its gone or you do and think its never going to leave. I took her for granted and have paid the price.

    I of course have leapt into action which I should have done 2 years ago. But at least for me, I never truly see things until I fall flat on my face. I still have contact with her mom she has been the sweetest lady through this, we are very close, my second mom. Right now I’m just struggling with the fact that is my marriage really over? Should I really just walk away after not really doing anything to help it in the first place? Maybe this is obvious to some of you and maybe I’m a fool for thinking I can turn this around after all this. I texted my wife a few times after reading the letter but we have both gone silent since Tuesday to lick our wounds as she put it. I don’t want to change her mind unless it truly comes from her, I know she loves me and is as devastated as I am. All I’m trying to do now is do what I should have done all along. I just don’t know if now is too late, I’ve done so much for myself already but gave up when it was good. We are all a work in progress, I know I have a toxic streak but for the most part I’m a wonderful man and I’ve failed my marriage and am just beside myself about it. We love each other, I feel it, even when I don’t talk or see her. I don’t want to lose her or her son. What would you humans do!? Thank you all for reading this, writing it has helped me face more truth. Any advise is welcome of course.

    Love,

    Justin

    #219073
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justin:

    It reads to me that your ex wife made an informed and wise decision expressed in that letter. If you tried to change her mind at this point, it will be disrespectful of her, ignoring her assertions, and that is not a basis for a good relationship, if you were to succeed in undoing her decision.

    What I would do, if I was you, is to truly give up on resuming a relationship with her. Anything and everything you learned from the experience, use it in your next relationship, with a different woman. One thing that is clear to me, is that the next woman needs to be one without a child, so that the family unit to start with will be just you and her.

    anita

     

    #219079
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Justin,

    A good rule of thumb is to leave women with children alone! At least wait until the last child is an adult, people!! My parents and steps did everything “right” and I still resented the heck out of them, even though I was a teenager and college kid at the time. It’s never easy entering an established family. And you are not the fix to a broken one, either.

    Anyway! What’s done is done, and here is what I would do if I were you:

    The good news is you ARE married! There is a fair amount of work that goes into getting a divorce, so…. I wouldn’t do anything! Let her do all the work. Let her serve you with papers. Let her call a lawyer. Don’t do anything, even if you would get screwed in the end. How far she takes this shows her ACTUAL desire to get a divorce.

    What you do is quietly be in the background. Say, “I am here.” And keep your mouth shut!!! No more pouting, arguments over the phone or through text. From here on out, YOU are a saint!

    Eventually her child will grow up and leave her. In the meantime they know there is an Uncle Dad waiting in the wings to be welcomed home.

    Best,

    Inky

     

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 9 months ago by Inky.
    #219083
    Justin
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I agree, I do think she made an informed and wise decision. And believe me, I’m not begging her to change her mind. I just don’t think it’s so black and white though. We currently have all the space in the world to start healing and moving forward. I’m just doing what should have been done to begin with. All we can control is ourselves right? In turn if she changed her mind through my growth and her own then we could revisit it in the future I think. Neither of us is rushing for a divorce and that speaks volumes to me, I think her decision took an immense amount of courage and really through my non movement I left her no other choice.

    Our lives are very much still intertwined though, we shared a home together, a child! I know some relation will have to exist be it long or short term, I don’t know. I do know in my heart though I can’t just walk away from that kid, we have a close bond, more so than he has with his bio dad and through this I’ve realized that all the more. So really I haven’t just failed one person but 2 and don’t you think that in and of its self is worth fighting for? I sure do.

    Who knows what the future holds, I’m just trying to remain positive and not so black and white as that hasn’t served me very well at all in the past.

    Love,

    Justin

    #219097
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justin:

    I was surprised to read in your recent post that you have a close bond with your step son (“we have a close bond, more so than he has with his bio dad”) because in your original post you wrote, “I was needy for her attention as her son was… felt like an outsider a lot” and that read to me like you felt that you were competing with the child, not bonding with him.

    And then, you wrote in your original post: “I have carried around a lot of learned toxic behavior my whole life.. I have a toxic streak” and you mentioned your “selfish ways”, again, lead me to think you were for yourself, not so much for the child.

    When she told you that she “want to concentrate on her and being a mom”, I thought that would be the right thing for the child.

    The fact that the two of you had arguments (as opposed to conversations), that you had “terrible text exchanges” and that you “both said stuff in the heat of the moment” recently, lead me to believe that a peaceful relationship is no where close, if you were to live together again. And such turmoil is not good for the child.

    I think that if “she changes her mind through (your) growth and her own then (the two of you) could revisit it in the future” is a good idea if indeed there is such growth while the two of you are not living together, and if such growth happens over a long time.

    You mentioned black and white thinking, usually it is a distorted kind of thinking, yes. But in some contexts it is the right kind of thinking: it is always harmful for a child when his parents are arguing, expressing aggression against each other in  one way or another. That is black and white.

    I was wondering about your lifetime toxic behaviors and toxic streak that you mentioned, if you would like to share about it.

    anita

    #219105
    Justin
    Participant

    “A good rule of thumb is to leave women with children alone! At least wait until the last child is an adult, people!! My parents and steps did everything “right” and I still resented the heck out of them, even though I was a teenager and college kid at the time. It’s never easy entering an established family. And you are not the fix to a broken one, either.”

    Wow interesting insight Inky. Thank you for that.

    The cause of some of our stuff was based on expectations of who I was suppose to be for her child all the while trying to balance our own relationship and the issues that come with just that. I wanted it all too! But the more people I’ve talked to about that have said the same. My own aunt is a step mom and bluntly stated if she could have gone back she would have never chosen my uncle and that life. Luckily I don’t feel the same as that, but it is challenging non the less.

    We are still married, and I know she would never screw me if it does actually come to divorce. I am keeping my mouth shut and just working on myself. I think it’s a really good idea to just walk away for the time being but you’re right I’m not going anywhere or doing anything and will be just in the background saying “I’m here”. I know my wife and her heart and why she said she’s in no hurry to get divorced…

    Love,

    Saint Justin

    #219123
    Justin
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I agree that is black and white. There was all those things yes, the good and the bad. I struggled with putting the child first a lot but that doesn’t mean I didn’t and didn’t form a bond with him. I was a great role model in a lot of ways I just never recognized that within myself. And amongst my wife and I’s issues in our own relationship, is why its come to this.

    I say toxic streak as yes I’m selfish and struggle with empathy and being wrong and remaining calm sometimes. But to think how far I’ve come in my 40 years is amazing! My parents did the best they could just as any parent does. Just as my wife is doing now. But every parent screws their kid up in some way shape or form, that’s life. I’m not saying we should have just kept living together, I agree with the separation. All I’m saying is its really been eye opening and made me think a lot. And its given me focus on what I’d like to concentrate my energy on next. Its just sad and I regret that I forgot to look within sooner…

    What we are doing now is the best we can for all of us. Taking care of ourselves and growing. I have no expectations other than of myself. I know we have the love still, she told me she will always long for me. We just need a break from it all I guess.

    Love,

    Justin

    #219125
    Justin
    Participant

    Maybe I shouldn’t have said closer than his bio but definitely different. Bio throws money at everything, I had the emotional and affectionate side. Not trying to make myself out to be some hero, cause I’m sure not…

    #219145
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justin:

    I need to get away from the computer before reading your recent two posts. When I am back to the computer, in about 18 hours, I will read your recent posts (and anything you may add before then) and reply to you.

    anita

    #219215
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justin:

    You wrote, “I was a great role model in a lot of ways I just never recognized that within myself”- I hope he, the boy, recognized you as a great role model.

    You wrote, “My parents did the best they could just as any parent does”- I disagree: most often, parents do not do the best they can.

    “every parent screws their kid up in some way shape or form, that’s life”- I agree that most parents do, unfortunately. And unfortunately that is life. But it is wrong and it doesn’t have to be this way. The fact that almost every child is mistreated in some way,  doesn’t make a single child’s life better when mistreated. It hurts and harms the child just as badly. And then, that harm is passed on, unless recognized, addressed and engaging in the process of healing.

    I would like to read more about how this experience, the marriage and separation has been an “eye opening” experience for you and what it is that you plan to “concentrate (your) energy on next”.

    Regarding the bio dad throwing money at his kid, and you giving the kid your “emotional and affectionate side”, I wonder, when you felt threatened by the kid taking away his mother attention from you, and/ or when you felt distress, did you also express your anger at him, somehow, raised your voice at him or anything like that?

    anita

    #219509
    Justin
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Well his mom sure did so I really think he did too. He wanted me more than his mom and for a lot of that I was willing and able. Down side was when stuff started building up between my wife and I, he suffered as well as I was too busy pursuing her, and in turn then he would also pursue her and you can imagine the stress she felt. Putting him above all was my biggest struggle with having a child in my life. I think a lot of men could say the same, not that that makes it any better…

     I can’t disagree that most parents could do better but they are only as good as they are within themselves, and without their own growth then no, they do the best they can at that moment. We can sit and say that’s so negative and bad for the child but I think that takes away their power. But yes it really doesn’t have to be that way, you’re right and it is sad. I was harmed and have struggled with my past for many years, but I also own it. It’ll never be perfect. I do think generationally it does get better, but as individuals we have to see that change is needed within and actually do something about it.

    I was never threatening towards him, no. I was worried about being my dad in that way with him but I was successful in not going there. The more time they spent together the more time I just did my own thing. (Put myself on the outside…)

    This experience has been tremendous for me. Both being married to the most loving and caring women I’ve ever know, being a step dad to a really great lil man and separated from them both. Obviously I hit an all time low and to my own demise, its been my path to have to fall on my face before I really see things they way they are. I say eye opening cause I was previously doing a lot of work prior to meeting my wife, and through this have learned that our self growth and work at least for me, never really ends. When I’m reading or going to counseling, and being conscience about what I really want to change I’m more centered, it feels better, being consistent feels better. When we were together and I went to counseling it became all about what WE were going through instead of what I was bringing to the table or not. So through my wife’s difficult decision to say enough is enough. I’ve taken this the opportunity to reach out again, talk about this openly with everyone that will listen, started counseling again, started reading a lot more, even started journaling again and that’s been years. My current focuses are letting go, empathy, selflessness and remaining centered.

    Regardless of the outcome of all of this, I need to do this work consistently and forgot that. Neither of us is in a hurry to get divorced as I’ve said before and I feel if my own work can save this marriage and she chooses to give me/us another chance then I’ll take it. If not I’m no worse off then I am right now and at least I’ll know in my heart that I did everything I could. I’m learning to trust & love myself and the universe and what’s meant to be, will be.

    Love,

    Justin

    #219663
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justin:

    Your recent post reads perfectly reasonable and it reads that you really are engaged in a process of learning and healing and that the woman to be in an intimate relationship with you next will indeed be fortunate, as long as you keep going, persisting in “self growth and work (that)… never really ends”.

    Maybe this fortunate woman is your wife, only she doesn’t know it yet.

    You wrote about (all) parents doing their best, they do the best they can at that moment”- perhaps they do, in that moment, or the other one when their actions harm the child, but in between those moments, there are moments of calm, of an opportunity to observe the affect and effect of that they did on the child, to feel empathy for the child, and regret, and then, to consider the possibility of correcting their behavior.

    When there is no correction and no evidence of such efforts  on the part of a parent, that means the parent did not do his or her best in the many moment between … those other moments.

    anita

     

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    Anonymous
    Guest

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