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    Adly Flores
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    So about 8 months ago, my ex broke it off with me. He had problems with dealing with the fact that he perceived that he loved me more than I loved him. My ex has severe emotional issues from his mother than I am only now learning. After a month of us breaking up, he entered into another relationship. It has always been his way. Quickly entering a relationship right after exiting one. Sadly that is what happened with the previous one. But I was in love.

    Through his previous relationship, I had been on his mind. To the point which I found out from a close mutual friend that my name was called out in his sleep. I do not know what real significance that has. So according to everyone on his side, his thoughts were still with me. Now from him, my first breakup. I was distraught. But after a while I was at peace (or somewhat) I was doing Bikram Yoga and pole dancing and I was trying my best to move on. I knew deep down he still wanted me and missed me.

    So a few days before his birthday he calls me and tells me that he has been thinking about me. Apparently he broke it up with the current girl because she had made a move on his best friend and he needed an excuse to leave.

    So fast track two months later. We have somewhat picked up where we left off. Except he does not want a relationship (full blown relationship with me) except it confuses me. Because he gets upset when I do not contact him after a period of time. Or if I hang out with other people. He tried to end things with me (whatever) but he said he could not go through it.

    He is going through heavy emotional stuff with his family right now. I do not want to leave him when I feel like he could use a helping hand. My family do not want me to get back with him for a number of reasons.

    1. The pain he caused me
    2. Coming from an asian family – his family is not suitable with mine.
    3. They think he’s not the right one for me ( want someone with a good career etc ec)

    He is doing drugs heavily for two weeks but now he says he coming off from them. I am not sure for how long.
    Now my family says he’s not the right one for me and his parents thinks so too. They think that for me to date their son I would be more ‘womanly’ e.g. be able to care for their son in terms of cooking and cleaning…

    He said to me that the ex after me was on paper the perfect girl. But he did not want her, he wanted me. And for both of us, we both do not fit each other’s idea of the perfect partner and yet we want each other. Now I fear, he is trying to make me into it.

    Our past relationship was insecure riddled with fear and suspicion from both sides. But there was a lot of good in it as well. Now entering back into it, it is the same problems added with the hurt and betrayal. It is messy. People say you should not go back to the past. People also say nothing worth it comes easy.

    So now I am at a loss. Is it good to be challenged to be better? To work hard for the things you want? I am going to speak with him tomorrow night about his intentions with us, and where we are heading. It’s hard because I know that we do have something special. He is just a very troubled soul. So my question is – do I stick by the hard times ?

    I know I do not need him. I would be better off without him. I know that. But I do love him.

    Sorry for the long story, any input is greatly appreciated X

    #49150
    Matt
    Participant

    Adly,

    I’m impressed and humbled by the detachment you have for this relationship, and looking at it from a balanced perspective is always healthy. Sometimes when we love someone, we try to “shed” parts of ourselves that are quite healthy, in order to fit the mold of our partners expectations. Its fine if we are challenged to grow, that almost always accompanies a relationship. The question is what exactly are you growing, and what would you grow into if you mold yourself to his expectations. A few things came to heart as I read your words.

    First off, as I read your words, there was a strong flavor of codependency patterns. Love is not supposed to require sacrifice of our desires, only compromise. It seems as though you are using your love for him as an excuse to step away from what you know is right. This is not healthy, and indicates that the relationship wont survive long term. What usually happens is once the “sparkly” bits fade in the connection, you may realize that you’re not actually receiving something your heart needs in order to flourish…. freedom. Love sets us free, not controls us.

    For instance, when you go and hang out with friends, he becomes agitated and jealous. This means he is, in that moment at least, very self absorbed. Instead of feeling joy that you are out having a good time, he responds as though he is hungry, and his food is elsewhere. It may just be fear that will perhaps settle as you two grow together. In order for that to be the case, he’d have to be able to identify his emotion, and work to make amends. For instance “when you were out with friends, I became fearful and jealous… sorry for my goof.” Rather than “don’t go out with friends, if you loved me you’d stay home with me.”

    Consider picking up a great book on codependency. Pia Melody has done some great work exposing the patterns that arise, and giving practical advice how to take responsibility for yourself, and not for others. Said differently, as you see him struggle with issues and problems, it may inspire a gravity or attraction to see him grow, evolve, quit drugging himself, and become a better man. That gravity interrupts your focus on attending your own needs, and often leads to self sacrifice, getting him what he wants at the expense of yourself. This is not noble or loving… intimate love has to be mutually nourishing, mutually freeing, in order for it to last.

    Finally, consider that perhaps you don’t spend enough time nurturing yourself. Its very possible that even though you see he isn’t a good fit, because he pays you tender attention, you go back to him. The solution is to give yourself that tender attention, so as you make your decisions about what to do with your life, with him, with yourself, that it comes from a place of stability and inner peace. Much like a chef eats before he cooks because his hunger makes everything taste better, we self nurture so we can approach our lives with strength. Said differently, if you take some time to self nurture, the way your connection with him influences you (in both good and bad ways) may become clearer to you, and you can make a decision from a.place of strength.

    So, hop in the tub, light some candles, go for a walk, listen to some soft music, go to a museum alone… whatever helps your body relax, unwind, and become settled and peaceful. This nourishes your heart, so that you won’t come to him as a beggar, hoping you can make it work with him no matter the cost. Instead, you can approach him as the queen you are, and decide if he is the king you’ve been seeking.

    From your description, it sounds to me as though you already know he is a dud. Do you stay because you feel unworthy of a better connection? Are you scared you’ll be alone? Do you like what you see in the mirror? Do you feel like you’re trying to sacrifice who you are or what you really need to fit into his (and his family’s) little mold? Don’t do it, dear sister, your wings are wide and strong, and it is difficult to fly if you clip them for him (or anyone).

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #49156
    Jade
    Participant

    Matt has provided some excellent guidance, so all I’m going to add is this article; I always recommend it to women who are unsure about their relationship: http://therumpus.net/2011/06/dear-sugar-the-rumpus-advice-column-77-the-truth-that-lives-there/

    #49263
    Mark
    Participant

    Adly,

    I invite you to look at your own observations. 1) Your ex has severe emotional issues from his mother, 2) Your ex quickly leaves and enters relationships, 3) Your ex does not want a full relationships with you, 4) Your ex wants to control your contact with friends and is insecure about you not calling him, 5) Your ex is a heavy drug user, 6) Your relationship is heavily riddled with fear, distrust and betrayal.

    What advice would you give to a friend under those circumstances?

    I have observed many women who loved others more than they love themselves.

    How do you love yourself Adly?

    Also I am cautious about using the term “love” for that means different things for different people especially on how that shows up in their actions. Ex. You can love or care for another without being enmeshed with them, without being in a romantic relationship with them.

    I wish you peace Adly.

    Mark

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