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    Colton
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    When I first met my girlfriend we fell hard and fast.  We both had good careers and loved doing the same activities outside with our dogs.  We spent all our time together and enjoyed each others company.  Things started happening that I felt were out of the ordinary.  I was talking to a friend over the phone in a store and walked outside because I talk loudly.  My girlfriend came outside and overheard the end of the conversation and my friend and I were talking about a fishing trip.  She asked how long I had been planning it and I said 2 days prior but we don’t have any dates yet.  She became enraged and said I was being sneaky and drove 80 mph to her house to drop me off at her truck and said she didn’t want to see me.  A day passed and we both treated it like it never happened.  Then the rules came.  She said that if I do something over the weekend she needs to know 3-4 days ahead of time so that she can make plans.  If I do choose to do something without her over the weekend during the day then she doesn’t want to see me in the evening because I am squeezing her in.  She asked that I text her on my day off and she is at work so that she feels like she is there with me.  She began getting angry a lot at small things here and there and never took accountability for them.  She wanted to be more intimate but she made fun of the way i initiate intimacy.  She said, “what did you use that in high school?  You haven’t learned a new technique?”  She asked that my legs stop touching hers at night.  I asked later why because we had always done this and she said it felt like “jabbing”.  She said that she didn’t want to be intimate at night because it felt like an afterthought.  When our intimacy declined she didn’t understand why and I explained that I had never been in a relationship where that was a rule.  I work long hours so every weekday i get home at night.  Over dinner one night she said, “you have weird genetics…skin like a Mexican and hair like and African.”  I didn’t know what to say.  Later I said that I was not feeling great about myself after this comment and she text me and said, “I didn’t mean it in a derogatory way, maybe you should go to a bar and get hit on by other women and feel better about yourself.”  I didn’t know what to say again.  Later I came home and readdressed it and tried to explain why it bothered me and she said, “I told you before I like your skin tone and your hair.”  And there was a week apology.  I don’t think saying something nice almost a year ago makes it ok to say something mean later.  I woke up one morning and my head was just coming off the pillow and she came over to me and says, “do you know how a hinge works?  Did you mean to muscle the dog roof closed?  Do you need me to show you how?”  I didn’t know what we were talking about because I hadn’t fully awoke yet and I said that I would buy a new hinge.  She became very upset and walked me to the backyard and showed me how to close the dog roof.  I felt like a child being reprimanded.  I text her at work how I didn’t appreciate this and she got upset and said she doesn’t appreciate it when her things get messed up.  She said that’s how adults talk, and that the only reason I was upset was because my pride was hurt.  She always gets upset when my friend who is a girl texts me once every two weeks.  She always asks who it was and what she said in the text.  She communicates with three ex boyfriends and has a friend that is 20 years older who texts her 15 times a day.  She has told me that her exes are aware that she is in a good relationship and happy and I am not threatened by her older friend at all.  It is so one sided though and I never bring it up but sometimes she does and says you can’t compare the two they are completely different.  I was in a store shopping with her and she saw her ex with his girlfriend.  Immediately she tells me and we go the opposite direction.  I asked why we were not going to say hello and my girlfriend said she doesn’t like her ex’s girlfriend or the ex’s girlfriend does not like her.  I felt like this was disrespectful because I would have liked to meet the ex who my girlfriend communicates with but when I tried talking about it the excuse became about her ex’s girlfriend and I had no foundation.

    I was outside with her and she was talking to the neighbors who had just moved in and were talking about how busy they have been  with the new move.  My girlfriend was painting her eves and I had just arrived and was standing there with her.  She agreed that homes take a lot of effort and said “oh it’s just me here.”  When we were driving later I brought this up because I mow, weed wack, work on sprinklers, dishes, laundry, clean up the house before she gets home, clean up after the dogs.  I said, “it bothers me when you said, it’s just me here.”  And before I could say anything she just yells, “well it is!”  I could tell that I was not going to be able to discuss how it was hurtful towards me so I stopped trying.

    I guess my question is how do I talk to her about the things that are bothering me?  There are a lot of things and I don’t want to overwhelm her with how disrespectful I think she is being.  I know that it takes two people to make things better and two people to make things worse.  She may be upset at me and not talking to me about it and instead taking it out on me.  I don’t know.  How do you address things when you feel like the defenses are going to be up immediately?  Have I allowed it to go to far and setting boundaries now would be too late?

    #228353
    riris
    Participant

    Dear Colton

    There are a whole lot of signs that your girlfriend has toxic behaviour and it’s good to realise this. She doesn’t respect you in various ways.

    May I ask how long you are together? This may clarify your question “Have I allowed it to go to far and setting boundaries now would be too late?”

    Are there signs in her childhood that reflects this behaviour?

    Riris

     

    #228369
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Colton:

    It is clear to me that a whole lot of things bother your girlfriend, a lot of things trigger her and she feels distress. She made the rules in an effort to remove lots of those triggers, if you do this and that.. she will feel okay, if you don’t do that and the other thing, then she will feel okay. And so, to cooperate with her in trying to minimize the events that trigger her, you have to abide by her rules. But she will get triggered anyway because the triggering is automatic. If it is not this one thing, it will be another. There are just so many rules a person can follow and still attend to life otherwise.

    But not only is she triggered often, feeling distress, she also gets aggressive, offensive, insulting and then she denies that she did and accuses you of this and that. So she doesn’t see or admits that she has a problem.

    What this leads you to, if you continue with her, is one way to hell. You get more rules, more anger, more abuse, more denial and you become sick and sicker. She doesn’t get better no matter how well you do with her rules, and you get worse and worse.

    The absolute worst is if and when she becomes a mother. Her child will suffer a whole lot from his or her beginning of life. If you have a child with her, you pretty much guarantee your child will live a life of misery.

    If she was motivated to attend psychotherapy for herself, individual therapy, for a long time, many months, then she would learn to endure her distress and not react to it by abusing others. She would look into her past to determine the origins of her distress and will be able to understand that it is not you who is causing her distress, but her past experiences in life (way before she met you) that are being re-activated again and again.

    There is nothing you can do to heal her or change her, she has to want to go to therapy and work very, very hard there for probably a few years before she is able to no longer be abusive.

    anita

    #228439
    Colton
    Participant

    Hey Riris, so we have been together for a year and two months now.  Her childhood consisted of her mom and dad and an older sister.  The mom has has a drinking problem for over 30 years.  It has always been an issue even when my girlfriend was young.  Her dad didn’t seem to have any issues but ended up having an affair later that was very hard on everyone especially my girlfriend.  As they were growing up her sister was very cruel to her and they did not get along.  She has had a number of very troubling relationships where her boyfriend at the time left in the middle of the night.  Also, there was physical abuse at one point in another relationship and there is a restraining order there.

    Anita, Thank you so much for your response, insight and honesty.  It is very difficult because she is never able to see what is happening clearly.  She got frustrated looking something up on the computer and I saw that she needed help so I got on my phone and looked it up and showed her.  She snapped at me and said that my input wasn’t any good.  I walked out of the room and she came out and said I was getting angry again.  I tried explaining that I was trying to help but she became louder and louder and wouldn’t hear me.  The situation calms and the blame for it is put on me.  It has become a hit to my self confidence over time.  My self respect has been declining and I have not been feelings as good about myself as I generally would.  I don’t know why but we have began to think that the reasoning behind this is because of unresolved pain from my dads death years ago.  I never really thought it was an issue but it is what she says may be the reason i am feeling so bad.  She has suggested a few times that I talk to someone about it.  As far as her talking to anyone, I know that she will never think that there are issues she has to work out.  Through numerous times of getting angry and blaming I have never seen her look inward, the problems always come from the outside and she is just reacting with honest emotion.  I am starting to think a lot about what you said about me not being able to help her.  It makes me really sad because I love her, but I hate the way she treats me and isn’t even aware of how it makes me feel.

    #228475
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Colton:

    You are welcome. “Through numerous times of getting angry and blaming I have never seen her look inward, the problems always come from the outside and she is reacting with honest emotion”-

    regardless of any issues you might have, it is as clear as can be,  to me, that her issues are harmful to you big time. I think that what she suggested about what may be an issue for you from the time before you met her, you already started looking into, looking inward, haven’t you?

    But she doesn’t look  inward. I have a suggestion, will you google the DSM-4 entry on Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) and tell me what you think of it in regard to your girlfriend?

    * a personality disorder is not something a person is born with, it develops over time during a difficult, sickening childhood. In some cases there is healing, in many (the more extreme, I suppose) there is no healing throughout one’s lifetime.What characterizes a personality disorder is the inability or unwillingness to look inward.

    There is no personality disorder more harmful in the context of an intimate relationship than this one.

    I am not a psychiatrist or a professional of any kind and this is not a diagnosis I am making. Yet, I think it may be helpful to google it, as it is, after all, information that is available for anyone.

    anita

    #228533
    Colton
    Participant

    Anita, thank you for the response.  I appreciate it more than you will ever know.  I looked up what you said and although I cannot know about some of them on the list, chronic emptiness, and identity disturbance, I do believe that there are signs of five that I know of.  She told me enough about her past relationships I could write a book.  There was a lot of negative things that took place.  There was events that took place that made me confused because she became paranoid about things that I didn’t understand.  She thought I colluded with my sister to get my sister to say something to her that would in turn manipulate her.  I was offended.  My sister and I are not like that and I didn’t understand why I would be perceived like someone who would do this.  It was just one example but there were some others.  She thought it was strange how I liked to leave for work earlier than what she thought was appropriate.  Made her think that I may be going somewhere else beforehand.  They were just real small things but I had a hard time understanding what was happening.  I was reading about this beyond the list of things  they talk a lot about a push and pull phenomenon that I was experiencing and lately it has been nothing but mean things being done towards me, judgments and the inability to do anything right, belittling, and was very uncaring when I was injured.  When I was injured I was not as much help as I usually am around the house and the scales were shifting in the amount of weight I was pulling and she was becoming frustrated.  I felt like a burden.  I think I need to learn more about this and see what I am up against.  You mention “There is no personality disorder more harmful in the context of an intimate relationship than this one.”  I wonder if there is a spectrum to this because I know she is high functioning I wonder if this is a do-able situation or I am constantly going to be going through the idealization / devalue stages for a long time.  Almost at the 6 month mark I mentioned how I couldn’t feel her love for me and didn’t really know how else to express it.  I just felt like my value was going down and she was not aware of her actions to be doing that.  There was a slight change that happened after but it’s been all bad for awhile now.  At what point I wonder that I need to go in another direction?

    #228535
    Colton
    Participant

    Anita, I forgot to answer your question about looking inward about the unresolved pain i was carrying regarding my dad passing away from cancer and the answer is yes.  I started reading books about grieving and forgiving myself for being scared and not being there when he took his last breath.  I spoke to my sister and my mom about how each of us dealt with and remember the last moments.  its was very therapeutic because we had not spoken about it together since it happened 9 years ago.

    #228557
    riris
    Participant

    Dear Colton

    I agree with anita: as long as your girlfriend doesn’t see what she’s doing to you and isn’t aware of it, then nothing can help. You said it yourself: your self-esteem is getting down, you feel that you have to defend yourself over and over,..

    A healthy relationship makes people happy, without judgement, without laughing at you, without critizism,…

    You wrote that you love her but if you want to protect yourself mentally… you might consider to end the relationship. It’s just a thought…

    Riris

    #228569
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Colton:

    It is a good thing that it was therapeutic for you to talk about the death of your father with your mother and sister. Maybe it was therapeutic for them as well. The word “therapeutic” means getting healthier. It will be a shame if you continue to get sick in this relationship you are in. Better exit it, prevent further deterioration of your mental health. Prevention is wise.

    She is suspicious of you: “She became enraged and said I was being sneaky… She thought I colluded with my sister to get my sister to say something to her that would  in turn manipulate her… She thought it was strange how I liked to leave for work earlier than what she thought was appropriate. Made her think that I may be going somewhere else beforehand”.

    She is angry at you: “She became enraged… She snapped at me… She began getting angry a lot at small things…She became very upset… She always gets upset… Through numerous times of getting angry”.

    She abuses you emotionally (disrespectful, cruel, punishing, aggressive): “drove 80 mph to her house to drop me off at her truck and said she didn’t want to see me… she made fun of the way I initiate intimacy..You haven’t learned a new technique?’…You have weird genetics… taking it (anger) out on me… said my input wasn’t any good… she became louder and louder and wouldn’t hear me… lately it has been nothing but mean things being done towards me, judgments and the inability to do anything right, belittling”.

    She abuses you cognitively: “I never really thought it was an issue but it is what she says may be the reason I am feeling so bad. She has suggested a few times that I talk to someone about it… she said.. the only reason I was upset was because my pride was hurt… I walked out of the room and she came out and said I was getting angry again”-

    Reality is that she has a huge anger problem. When you understandably get angry following her emotional abuse of you, she blames you for having an anger problem. She explains your behavior in whatever way suits her with no regard to what is true. What suits her is to deflect personal responsibility for any wrongdoing on her part and place it with you. I call it cognitive abuse because you start doubting your own thinking/ your ability to evaluate people and situations correctly. You get confused, doubt yourself repeatedly and feel guilty.

    She is dishonest, double standards: “She always gets upset when my friend who is a girl texts me once every two weeks… She communicates with three ex boyfriends and has a friend.. who texts her 15 times a day”

    She is dishonest otherwise: “She has told me that her exes are aware that she is in a good relationship and happy”- she is not happy. The relationship is not good. I don’t know what she told her exes.

    More of my input: the benefit of you staying in the relationship with her is that, if she continues to be focused on you, she will not be hurting another man a whole lot. You will be saving another man from getting hurt badly. If you stay with her and make sure she doesn’t get to be a mother, you will be protecting potential new life from getting badly hurt. That is all.

    If you choose to extricate yourself from this relationship, you will need to do it cautiously. “there was physical abuse at one point in another relationship and there is a restraining order there”- that one point may happen if and when you try to end the relationship with her. You will need to plan such exit.

    anita

    #228731
    Colton
    Participant

    Riris, thank you for your comment.  “A healthy relationship makes people happy, without judgement, without laughing at you, without critizism,…”  These words go a long way with me and is helpful to see what can be on the other side.

    Anita, thank you again for taking the time and clearly identifying the different ways that I am treated.  It is painful and eye opening when they are categorized like that and I’m able to see the patterns.  When the events of anger/blame take place there is usually a break between the next time and it messes with me because I think that things are ok again and then there’s always something else that happens or pointing out my faults.  I was always under the impression that relationships are difficult and we are supposed to get through difficult times but I can see how these patterns of abuse towards me are not going to go away.  They may subside for a little bit but they will never go away if she is unwilling to look at her role in them.  “When you understandably get angry following her emotional abuse of you, she blames you for having an anger problem. She explains your behavior in whatever way suits her with no regard to what is true. What suits her is to deflect personal responsibility for any wrongdoing on her part and place it with you.”  The moment I woke up one morning she was over me in bed and says in a condescending tone “do you know how a hinge works?  Did you mean to muscle it closed?  Do you need me to show you? And walked out to the backyard to show me what I had done wrong.  She said, “that’s how adults talk.”   Your comment here really hits home for me because that is exactly how I have been feeling for a long time and have been unable to put it so well.  She has never taken personal responsibility for anything as long as we have been together.  I appreciate what you said and I know for my own self respect what I need to do.  For a long time I have been feeling low about myself and my self respect has dwindled.  I have become more frustrated that the disrespect continues and I struggle in my head with how I have allowed it to happen.  I try addressing things in a respectful manner but it has gotten me nowhere.  I have a lot to offer and I hope one day it can be with someone who is willing to be on my team to enjoy life with.  Thank you so so much for helping me understand what is not ok.  I honestly was very naive and knew something was wrong but didn’t understand if it was just something that I was supposed to navigate on my own, but with my self respect depleting and your help I know this is not healthy for me.

    #228765
    riris
    Participant

    Dear Colton

    It’s hard, but now you know what you’re up against. Take care of your emotional well-being from now on. Single or not in the future, let your emotions digest from this experience. And take all the time you need. I wish you all the best.

    Riris

    #228781
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Colton:

    You are welcome. You wrote: “I have a lot to offer and I hope one day it can be with someone who is willing to be on my team”-

    on your team, someone who is for you, not against you.

    Notice this: her behavior comes from past hurts and betrayals that she experienced in her childhood. You may see her pain at times and feel empathy for her. You may want to help her… problem is two people coming together with hurts from their past, in the context of an intimate, supposedly loving relationship, should help each other with those hurts, not one turning against the other.

    And this is key: when you try to communicate and help a person who repeatedly turns against you, you are not helping that person, you are hurting yourself.

    Do post again, if you’d like. And if you need help in ending this relationship in a way that will minimize the chances of her becoming threatening/ violent, perhaps, let me know.

    anita

    #228849
    Adrian
    Participant

    Colton,

    I’m a first time poster here, on this forum, and the only reason I’ve decided to post (I know, I should reach out to people more 🙂 ) is because your story seems very similar to one I’ve lived through. I can recognize all of that behavior. In my case, it didn’t happen from day one, it actually took a couple of years before things started getting messy – up until that point, I had never had these issues. The only possible sign was that she accused me of infidelity twice – which could never have been the case especially since we spent almost all of our time together outside of myself going to work. And please trust me that I could never do something that demeaning to another human being after seeing the results of infidelity upon some of my closer friends.

    I don’t know if this was the way your girlfriend behaved from the onset. I’ll just repeat that with us there were no clear signs of this for a good amount of time – if this is the same in your situation, you’re not alone. Once her behavior degenerated, however, I tried my best to repair things. I actually misassumed it had something to do with her work-related stress (she hated her job and was trying to find something better) so I tried offering support, talking, suggesting couples therapy, searching for more things to do together, trying to support her in any activity that would help her relieve stress, anything that could improve things. Any discussion lead to the same: it was always either myself to blame or, extremely rarely, some reference to her internal struggles and issues (these, unfortunately, only led me into thinking there was a point in fighting for this relationship). In the end, nothing was ever enough and the work I’ve had to go through trying to hold the ship together was destructive to myself both physically and mentally. I was also going through the loss of someone I cared for at that point, was constantly fighting work-related stress as well as a medical issue – all of these relationship issues and constant demeaning did nothing to improve my overall well-being as you might imagine.

    It was one month before we finally broke up that I remembered about BPD – I’m not a medical professional, either, but the disorder was known to me and I could have seen some clear signs had I not tried explaining everything via stress and other external conditions. At first I thought I was a cold-hearted, vindictive bastard for trying to pin things like this on the poor girl for rejecting me because I wasn’t doing enough (I know, I know…) but her behavior when we parted ways only made me reinforce this opinion. I’ve gone from being accused of more fake infidelity through being accused of trying to “destroy her life” or to convince her to commit suicide. I’m not saying this might be the case with you, just explaining that things become more clear with time and distance.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that you should be confident about your own self-worth and your own perception of reality – it’s hard to forget that you’re a strong and discerning person when being abused and accused constantly. You’ve chosen to reach out for advice which shows, to me, that you’re willing to do something to save this relationship if it is truly worth saving. I see no such signs from her part.

    Once you’re feeling confident enough, try to find some alone time and think well of her behavior – there might be more signs to the toxicity of this relationship there than you can recognize right now. Things you might have actually taken the blame for which were of no fault of your own just to try and get things moving from a bad moment or situation. Things you enjoy and have given up to not cause her further distress/anxiety. Think well and hard and block all happy thoughts regarding the relationship at that point – you’re not trying to evaluate the pros and cons, just to understand the degree of her misbehaving. Looking back, I found many more instances of that in those final 6 months of three years than I was aware of or I’m now willing to admit 🙂

    And if you ever feel afraid of ending things if you think you’ve had enough – don’t be. Just don’t be :). It caused me great pain when things finally broke and her behavior towards myself was abysmal. It took me a while but I finally realized all that pain was much less than what I would have faced had I continued living that toxic relationship. Since then, I’ve overcome my medical issues, lost a lot of pounds gained because of illness/stress/laziness, have traveled much more than before and started doing new and exciting things, exercising often and, generally, having a lot of fun. Things I never did in that time because she’d always find a reason not to (and, sadly, things we weren’t doing that she blamed me for when we broke up). This is how I remembered who I truly was and how much that toxic relationship had taken away from me.

    Be strong and please reach out if you feel like discussing things further.

    #229435
    Colton
    Participant

    Adrian, thank you for taking the time to write this to me, especially since you’re a first time poster.  It means a lot.  Early on in the relationship it was amazing.  There was no disrespect and we had a lot of fun together.  I believe around the 5 or 6 month mark I noticed her becoming angry at small things.  She got upset in a parking lot when I met her to help her get something from the store.  A lot of times I feel like every relationship is difficult and we all go through our ups and downs which makes it difficult to see how bad things actually are.  The biggest problem I have is when I try to address my feelings and how I am treated sometimes.  I am always met with defensiveness and she is unable to see how her way of treating me is not respectful.  I feel like there is a lack of empathy on her part and has an inability to put herself in my shoes.  She is very big on respect for herself.  If I do something that can offend her or make her upset she will tell me in one second that what I said or did is not ok.  I respect her so I always hear her out and apologize and say that I didn’t intend to disrespect her in anyway and that I’ll be more aware of how I can do this and that in the future.  On the flip side when I am disrespected and attempting to voice my feelings and frustrations I am given no chance to calmly talk about it before she is getting defensive and coming up with ways that what she did is ok.  It’s frustrating.  I know both people in a relationship deserve to have their feelings heard and understood so that is one thing that I have a hard time being ok with.  Was your girlfriend willing to hear you talk about your feelings when you felt like you were being treated poorly?  Did she say hurtful things to you, or make you try to feel insecure?  Was there a final tipping point for you where you felt like ok, this girl is not going to change, I have to leave?  Sometimes I feel like there is a script that I am supposed to be following and because I never got her script for the play that we are playing out in her mind, I make mistakes and when I do that unintentionally then it is brought to my attention.  I always have the feeling like what I am doing is never enough.  It doesn’t matter what it is.  I could be doing a lot of stuff around the house and the one thing that I forget to do or whatever is brought to my attention.  She is a fault finder and always looking for something to tell me that I did wrong.  It gets exhausting because I just want to be appreciated.

    #229547
    Colton
    Participant

    I remember I had injured myself really bad in my neck.  On the third day it was the worst and I had just sat down on the recliner to rest before work.  She saw me get comfortable and yelled at me that I should be outside doing what she was doing and clean up after the dogs.  I said that I was hurting and to just leave me alone.  She said that I should have told her that I was hurting or she would not have yelled at me.  She told me that if I am good enough to go to work then I am good enough to help with the dogs.  I felt like she was only concerned with the chores getting done and did not care that I was in a lot of pain and trying to recover from my injury.  There was no caring or willingness to pick up the slack when I was down and injured.  She text me at work “I can’t be your doctor, your nurse, your girlfriend, your cook, and do the laundry.”  It made me feel like I was a burden in my time of physical pain.  I asked her some questions about my injury so I guess that was really hard for her to try and answer some of those for me.  I don’t know why it was hard to be my girlfriend but from the text I guess it was.  I always try to help with the cooking, and there are probably 4 articles of clothing that get washed there a week.  It just irritates me that everything was so hard for her when I was physically hurting.  It made me feel like I was not doing enough and not a good boyfriend.  There was a time when she was hospitalized and in a lot of pain.  I tried to care for her the best I could.  I didn’t want her to have to lift a finger but it was not like that for me.

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