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October 4, 2019 at 11:00 am #316033PJParticipant
Velora-
I think that was my point, really. You can’t possibly understand the pain she is going through, but yet you were placing expectations on her on how she should have handled her grief and the situation. Right I can’t begin to understand, but the only way I can understand is by her sharing why she is handling it this way. The dialogue has to happen, I would think I would be the one who would most understand our current situation. I guess I didn’t realize I was putting an expectation on how she should be dealing with things; I was just going off of past precedent as to how we have operated. Obviously this is a different animal. And yes, I guess I am a little upset that we can’t communicate and that we can’t do this together and how my wife is handling things. I’m sure she is frustrated with me as well. I’m not saying my way or her way is the correct way in any shape or form. No one can tell another how to grieve, I get that. I have never felt so distant from her. I am defiantly no perfect man, that is apparent here. But I have nowhere else to turn, I’m broken, alone, empty, sad and apparently she is comfortable doing this on her own, I am not comfortable or ok doing this on my own. I just feel that we should have some semblance of doing some grieving together, am I wrong in wanting that?
Thanks for your insight, it defiantly gives a different perspective.
October 4, 2019 at 11:01 am #316035PJParticipantVelora-
I think that was my point, really. You can’t possibly understand the pain she is going through, but yet you were placing expectations on her on how she should have handled her grief and the situation. Right I can’t begin to understand, but the only way I can understand is by her sharing why she is handling it this way. The dialogue has to happen, I would think I would be the one who would most understand our current situation. I guess I didn’t realize I was putting an expectation on how she should be dealing with things; I was just going off of past precedent as to how we have operated. Obviously this is a different animal. And yes, I guess I am a little upset that we can’t communicate and that we can’t do this together and how my wife is handling things. I’m sure she is frustrated with me as well. I’m not saying my way or her way is the correct way in any shape or form. No one can tell another how to grieve, I get that. I have never felt so distant from her. I am defiantly no perfect man, that is apparent here. But I have no where else to turn, I’m broken, alone, empty, sad and apparently she is comfortable doing this on her own, I am not comfortable or ok doing this on my own. I just feel that we should have some semblance of doing some grieving together, am I wrong in wanting that?
Thanks for your insight, it defiantly gives a different perspective.
October 4, 2019 at 11:27 am #316043ValoraParticipantHi PJ,
I do know what you mean, you wanted to understand and you couldn’t because she wouldn’t open up, but we can’t force or expect people to open up when they either don’t want to or aren’t ready to, so in that case, it’s okay that you didn’t understand what she was going through, because you really couldn’t. SHE might not even be able to put into words what she’s going through. A lot of people can’t when they go through traumatic things, and that’s why they can’t or don’t want to talk about it. In those cases, it’s best to just let them heal however they need to while trying not to place expectations.
With that said, I definitely don’t think you’re wrong to want what you want and you seem like you definitely need more support when dealing with this type of grief. There’s nothing wrong with that either and it’s unfortunate that your wife is grieving in a different way (which is also not wrong). I did see you went to counseling but it didn’t help much?
I do think trying couples counseling as Anita suggested is a great idea, whether you stay together or not. Co-parenting when you are not married is very difficult, especially when step-parents come into the picture (which your wife will likely have issue with if you start dating right away), and working some of your issues out in couples counseling beforehand while trying to find the best way to separate would make for a much smoother process, I’d think. If you do decide to separate, I’d also think about getting your kids into counseling to help them with the adjustment. I know that would’ve helped me when my parents divorced as I ended up internalizing a lot of it, which ended up backfiring on me during my adult years.
October 4, 2019 at 11:49 am #316049PJParticipantValora-
I’m really not looking for much support, I’m just looking for ANY support. I mentioned before that I don’t have many close friends to talk to about this and my mother who is very supportive, is very limiting in her perspective in this situation. And although comforting as she is, it still doesn’t replace the need for your (a) partner. I guess that’s why I it was so easy to fall into this affair, and the least bit of affection was very attractive to me. Since it had been so long since there had been any form of intimacy with my wife (and I’m not just talking about sex). Emotional intimacy/connection is really what has been missing and the physical aspect was just a by product in the affair. The connection with my wife had been virtually non-existent for years, our relationship really isn’t as deep as I thought it was, especially if we can’t communicate on how to maintain our relationship without the added tragedy. I honestly want to work things through, but it is hard to see what that dynamic might be.
I am ashamed of the affair, as I am really not that type of person. I respect the person I had the affair with greatly and would most likely date a person such as herself if I were single, but I feel like the whole situation has mired anything that I could potentially have with her in the future, if any such opportunity presented itself. As for my wife, I know my actions don’t say it, but I do respect her, I just wish that it was easier to communicate with her on just a little deeper level, especially now. As for Counseling it’s ok and helps get my thoughts organized and in prospective and I feel has been constructive, I plan on continuing and hopefully when the time comes I can include my wife for that. I really don’t want to divorce for the kids sake, but I don’t know if that is being true to myself or the family. Thanks for all your suggestions
October 5, 2019 at 10:28 am #316231AnonymousGuestDear PJ:
Before I let go of the affair part, I have one comment about what you wrote in your most recent post a day ago, regarding your former lover: “I respect the person I had the affair with greatly and would most likely date a person such as herself if I were single”-
– but if you were single you wouldn’t date a married woman with two children, would you? I mean, during the six months affair she was married to another man, parenting two children in a home with another man.
You wouldn’t greatly respect a.. woman betraying her husband and endangering the well being of her children?
I am now letting go of the affair part and my concern regarding your values.
“The connection with my wife had been virtually non-existent for years”- this is your current problem- a non-existing connection with your wife prior recent tragedy. The recent tragedy brought that lack of connection to the forefront of your awareness, made you acutely aware of it.
If you expressed this to your wife very clearly, told her how lonely you feel, how desperately lonely and she made no effort to listen to you attentively, to repeat to you what you said to her, so to show you that she heard you. If she made no suggestions to spend more alone-time with you, just you and her (not sexually, if she feels uncomfortable about the sex part)-
– then she is quite cold hearted, isn’t she. And you have nothing in your marriage but an arrangement, a financial, practical setting. In which case you either endure it, or look for relief in affairs, or remain married and agree to live like roommates, staying in different bedrooms, and free to date (an open marriage, I suppose), or you separate and live in different homes and/ or legally divorce.
You have all those options. Which will you choose.
anita
October 5, 2019 at 12:14 pm #316237ValoraParticipantHi PJ,
Do you know if there are any support groups in your area for grief? Especially for those who have lost children? Even message boards dedicated to that can offer some level of support because the group members have been and are going through that too so they can all relate, although a group that meets physically would be best. That might help to give you the support that others who haven’t been through the situation can’t offer, because they just don’t know how it feels.
I do think it’s a good idea to stay for the kids at least until they get out of high school, and if you don’t want to divorce for the kids’ sake, I definitely think it’s a good idea to try to go to couples counseling even if it’s just to work through your issues with intimacy (all kinds of intimacy). It seems like, from what you said, you guys don’t even have a companionate relationship left as you don’t even feel the intimacy from her on an emotional or friendship level, there’s a disconnect there. You don’t have passion either, so all you have left is the commitment part, and it’s really hard to sustain a healthy relationship on that alone… so talking to each other with a counselor to help mediate the discussion, as well as a counselor’s suggestions on ways you can improve and deepen your bond with each other and redevelop intimacy might really help, and if your wife also wants to improve your relationship and stay together, hopefully she would be on board with that, too.
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