Life after double betrayal

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December 16, 2014 at 12:30 pm #69359

Anne
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It’s very thoughtful of you to consider your mother in this. If the meds have helped you before, then I say go for it. But lay off the drinking and the weed. These things do not play well with anti-depressants!

December 16, 2014 at 3:48 pm #69370
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>If the meds have helped you before, then I say go for it.
Thats the point – they didnt help me before. They gave me the short-team illusion of help and in the end they created much more problems that they solved in the first place.
Also, i want to write about two things.
At first, i realized that i still can’t forgive myself for allowing the things that happened and this self-defeating attitude that you may see in my thread is some kind of punishment for that. How to forgive yourself?
And second – why are memories so extremely painful? I know a lot of people experience it during breakup, but not like this. They are literally killing me. There are so many of them: school memories of hanging out with ex-friend, our last telephone conversation, behavior of my ex-gf in details, her facial expressions and weird shit she said during sex, and then our last goodbye, when i kissed her and saw her weird smile while i didnt know she already made up her mind to never meet me again. Those times when i left them two alone for a few minutes, just to get back and see that they are flirting with each other, while i thought that they just being friendly…those hurtful moments are countless. I feel like i stuck in some crappy cinema, watching this horror over and over again. I don’t want to sit there, but some chaing are holding me. How to break them? When i think that i will have to live all my life with those memories scares the hell out of me. You can’t edit them and you can’t erase them. Its so scary.
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December 16, 2014 at 4:07 pm #69373

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Mefisto –

I have to agree with Rosey, but everyone has a right to their own opinion.
Drugs just make no sense to me.
We’re not ill mentally because we’re lacking anti-d’s, so they’re not the answer.
Make a decision based on your experiences and beliefs. Do what feels right to you.

While I can appear extroverted in my videos (and in real life, at times), that is just one side to me.
Also, I usually have a lot of out-takes on my videos because 80% of the time, I have brain-fog and headaches and struggle to get my words flowing. It’s a good reminder not to judge based on one viewpoint. But thank you for the kind words anyway…

A way to feel less lonely instantly is to realise that you are just like me.
I am just like you …
And we are all the same, on many levels.
People may have different morals and beliefs. Some people are horrible; sick and self-centered. Careless…

But, deep down, they’re going through pretty identical things to you – relationships, money, career, fear, etc.
And maybe their life is actually going pretty great right now… but that doesn’t mean it will always be the case.
It’s very unlikely they will make it through this life unscathed. Everyone has their own shit. Some have it way harder than us.
They don’t even have a chance. But you do…

While your picture of Russia is grim and undoubtedly accurate, my blessed childhood couldn’t protect me from depression and other problems. Depression can affect anybody.
Mine all started with acne and a medication I took subsequently.
Sure, our stories are different… BUT, on the whole – we’re going through the same thing.
I get depressed just like you do… and just like a massive amount of people do.
I’ve been hurt and betrayed just like you have.
We feel the same emotions and have similar thoughts.
So remember that you are far from the only one dealing with this.
Don’t take it personally. Take your ego out of it, and realise you’re just 1 in 7 billion.
The world would carry on if either of us took our own lives.
But it would be the end for us.
My point is – Time is precious, and everything lacks certainty. Tomorrow isn’t a promise and so we need to get past our life stories and create better ones that help us, rather than stories that keep us fixated on what is wrong with life.
A certain amount of what happens to us is going to create a reaction.
You can’t just not care about things like being screwed over.
But, you have the choice to let it make you or break you, as I’ve said already…

You’re definitely not ready for a relationship, because you’ve got a tonne of work to do.
Albeit, I have problems that are ongoing with no clear end in sight, I did a lot of self-work before I got into a relationship with my present girlfriend.
But I made some mistakes like you might.
I spent a random night with some university students at a house party.
I was trying to hook up with a girl who had invited me there, but she was into another guy.
I ended up feeling shitty and the alcohol made me super depressed.
I was trying to escape my feelings at the time, because I just wanted my old life back.
I was unwilling to accept reality and part of me was stupid enough to WANT my old relationship back, even though it was a mess throughout.

It sounds like you’re comparing girls to what you believe your ex was.
I think you’re doing this based on looks from your wording.
I’ve done this too, and it’s not helpful. People are different and you will not have someone like your ex.
That’s a good thing. But everyone is afraid of change.
Hence why so many people stay in situations that don’t serve them.

You saying you’re not capable of attracting girls who are better than your ex is just an opinion you’ve formed.
Plus, your ex sounds like a real bitch, so I bet you can do better.
But, putting it straight, you’re a mess right now.
No girl would want to get into a relationship with someone who has so much work to do, and it would be unfair to put all your problems onto someone you don’t know yet. You are only 22 and one day you’ll most likely be married, so don’t feel like you need to rush into another relationship just because your ex did so. It’s a sign of weakness, so don’t envy it.
So many people cheat just because they’re cowardly and can’t stand the thought of having nobody.
So they hurt who they like, as long as they’re okay in the end.

Quit looking for a quick fix and face up to this.
You have to allow yourself to FEEL what you’re going through, in order to come through to the other side.
Some feelings can never be fully resolved, but you have to do what you can.

I guessed your situation pretty accurate, because the way you spoke reminded me of myself.
I quit a job just over 2 weeks ago, and it looks like I’ll have no other choice but to take another lame one for the time being, due to money and other pressures. But that doesn’t have to mean the end of the world, and these things take time.
But we have to continually move forward and see that it’s possible to do the things we want to do.
The animal abuse thing has been big for me, and I still need to distance myself from it.
I want to be able to help reduce abuse, but when I see a video online… it just leaves me furious and helpless.
It does the animals no good for me to feel bad. They are dead now. And I can’t get my hands on the sick prick that hurt them.
I can only hope that this life has some meaning and that they will pay for their actions later.

We have to focus on what we can do and change.
You can’t change what’s already happened to you.
But you can learn from it.
Maybe you learned some things from the relationship, about yourself and the way you need to be in a duo.
Relationships aren’t always easy.
At times, you’ll wonder why you’re in one. Adding two people’s problems together can be dangerous.
But that’s mainly because everyone gets stressed out and takes out their frustrations on the ones they really care about.

We will always make mistakes, but that’s okay. We have to in order to get better.
And, at 22… you have plenty of time to learn from yours, and to grow.
You’ll be okay, but you have to do what it takes to get there.
And you don’t need me or any other stranger to reassure what you already realise yourself.
TRUST YOURSELF!

Much love x

December 18, 2014 at 3:47 pm #69470
Mefisto
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Dude, great post you wrote. Im sure it can be helpful to other people here too, so the good thing is that my thread is not selfish anymore. I’d like to comment few things:

>I’ve been hurt and betrayed just like you have.
Can you tell the story?

>Do what feels right to you.
The issue is that everything feels wrong for me since that sh1t happened. And i mean everything. All of my actions lost any meaning, its like the fish trying to do something once shes already catched and lying on the beach without possibility to return into water. Stupid metaphor, but it explains this.

>we need to get past our life stories
I would like to do that, but it feels like a incredibly heavy weight holding my mind, keeping it obsessed over the past. Its stronger than me.

>You’re definitely not ready for a relationship, because you’ve got a tonne of work to do.
Yeah, i thought as much. But it can take many years until i can become wealthy, confident and self-sufficient man who left his huge failures behind, despite the chance that it might never happen at all. While i will struggle for many years, wasting my youth trying to achieve something, other boys my age will have all kinds of relationships. It may sound shallow and creepy, but i feel bad that i wont have sex at the age when sexual activity reaches its peak, while almost all of my coevals will have it. I know its not a competition and nobody cares, but still i feel like a loser.

>Plus, your ex sounds like a real bitch
Thats not entirely true. She suddenly became bitch in a few weeks, until that moment she was sweetest girl i ever met. Thats why its so hard to forgive myself for losing her.

>you saying you’re not capable of attracting girls who are better than your ex is just an opinion you’ve formed.
This opinion based on experience of last two months, when i went on dates with 3 hard-to-get beautiful girls and all of them rejected me terribly. Im starting to think that im not capable of attracting beautiful girls and relationship with my ex was just unique situation which wont repeat ever again. I don’t have genetic and psychological qualities that such girls will demand for their guy. My ex was somehow deceived by my successful behavior, but she got to know what kind of man i am very fast, and used this knowledge to manipulate me to the bitter end. Just week before she dumped me, i got in debt so i could buy her nice things for her birthday. I guess she already decided to betray me then, but anyway asked for more and more gifts from me and my ex-friend who also decided to betray me, but still continued to hang out with me. Memory of this week is making me wanna die. Worst time of my life.

>I think you’re doing this based on looks from your wording.
I’ve done this too, and it’s not helpful.
Yeah, i know. But i really cant help myself and stop analyzing girls through their looks. Its stupid, but if girl would be less cute and less smart than my ex, i will feel like i lost someone valueable who can’t be replaced.

>You are only 22 and one day you’ll most likely be married
Its very unlikely, i didnt believe in marriage even before this situation and now i just can’t understand how people can believe themselves when they are swearing to love one person forever. Its a biggest lie one human being can tell to another. After this experience, i realize that everyone, especially women, can incredibly change in a few moments. Letting woman to get right over half of your property just for being cheated on later and raising some kid that isnt yours? Not really a bright future.

>don’t feel like you need to rush into another relationship just because your ex did so. It’s a sign of weakness, so don’t envy it.
Yeah, its really a weakness. But i can’t forgive myself for letting her have so easy slut life. I said earlier that my ex-friend is rich and also naive, she would manipulate him for many things, he can pay for her studies and even pay her rent. She probably wont have to work the next five years, just jumping from one cock to another, while my ex-friend will pay for everything. She really doesn’t deserve any of this luxury.

>So many people cheat just because they’re cowardly and can’t stand the thought of having nobody.
So they hurt who they like, as long as they’re okay in the end.
Its so accurate thing you said there. And the bad things about me – i used to be okay with having nobody, i felt pretty much good living completely alone, but after this betrayal something broke inside me. I started to be dependent on anyone around me, craving for attention and appreciation, going on with any people, who even disgust me, just for sake having somebody. Its stupid, but i cant help myself.

>You have to allow yourself to FEEL what you’re going through, in order to come through to the other side.
Im afraid that my therapist is right and i can ruin my health if i wont get on meds. The ultimate hate and anger im feeling everyday is killing my body literally. Its possible that after another year of this life i will have very serious health problems.

>I can only hope that this life has some meaning and that they will pay for their actions later.
The sad thing i learned about life, that there is no justice whatsoever. Animal abusers, killers, rapists, thief, crooked politicians floating in happiness and luxury, while the good people keep suffering and dying. It has no meaning from my point of view. Thats why i feel like its wrong to bring kids into this sick world.

>You can’t change what’s already happened to you.
But you can learn from it.
The tough lessons i gained from this:
1. Don’t trust anybody
2. Don’t get attached to any relationship
3. Betray people before they would betray you

Its depressive lessons i must say. But i don’t see others.

>learned some things from the relationship, about yourself
I learned that im weak and insecure guy, who can’t predict obvious results of his actions and actions of people around him. Its so hard to forgive yourself after failure as huge as this.
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January 5, 2015 at 10:20 am #69365

Mefisto
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@Ashen said:
It’s very thoughtful of you to consider your mother in this. If the meds have helped you before, then I say go for it. !

Thats the point – they didnt help me before. They gave me the short-team illusion of help and in the end they created much more problems that they solved in the first place.
Also, i want to write about two things.
At first, i realized that i still can’t forgive myself for allowing the things that happened and this self-defeating attitude that you may see in my thread is some kind of punishment for that. How to forgive yourself?
And second – why are memories so extremely painful? I know a lot of people experience it during breakup, but not like this. They are literally killing me. There are so many of them: school memories of hanging out with ex-friend, our last telephone conversation, behavior of my ex-gf in details, our last goodbye, when i kissed her and saw her weird smile while i didnt know she already made up her mind to never meet me again. Those times when i left them alone for a few minutes, just to get back and see that they are flirting with each other, while i thought that they just being friendly…those hurtful moments are countless. I feel like i stuck in some crappy cinema, watching this horror over and over again. I don’t want to sit there, but some chaing are holding me. How to break them?
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