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June 16, 2025 at 1:41 pm #446884
anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for your contemplative and spiritually layered message.
You wrote: “I know how quickly the work we have done to move past our hurts can be undone by outer events we have no control over…”- The good news is that I am not back in that same old, familiar, unwanted territory. Not anymore—not for a long time. Gone is the deep depression, the complete desperation, the aching powerlessness. There’s been learning and growth I’ve committed to for years. It’s built, day by day, into something steady—something that bears fruit I can rely on.
I’m far from being the same person I was in the first half of my life. I am still the same little girl in some ways, yes—but also a very different woman now.
When you wrote: “Is this the cry of current world affairs? Are we letting go of love…”— that rang true. My heartbreak isn’t only personal. It feels collective. My grief echoes the grief of the world: the conflict, the division, the cruelty, the disconnection. That kind of love that lets us care with honesty and gentleness—it feels like it’s been slipping away everywhere, not just in my story.
You also asked: “I wonder if what you’re really letting go of is the version of love that hurt you…”- And yes—exactly. I’m not giving up on love itself. I’m releasing a version of it that hurt: the kind that demanded silence, disappearance, and the erasure of self. A version tangled in fear, obligation, and pain. That’s not “love” I want to carry anymore. It’s too heavy. Too shaped like harm.
And “Love can be fierce. Love can walk away. Love can protect.”—yes. That line opened something in me. Setting boundaries, walking away, even shielding myself from someone who once defined love for me… that is love too. I can see that now, and I won’t unsee it.
With gratitude for walking beside me in this reckoning, Anita
June 16, 2025 at 2:12 pm #446885anita
ParticipantI am letting go of the version of love I experienced from my mother—the kind rooted in self-erasure, self-denial, and emotional suppression. A love that felt like a slow, unending death—not a one-time death, but a thousand recurring ones that left me isolated, disconnected, and deeply troubled.
I am embracing a different version of love- the kind rooted in self-expression and gradual actualization.
A love that feels like being ALIVE.
Anita
June 16, 2025 at 2:56 pm #446888Steve
ParticipantYou often hear, “Watch the breath,” when seeking instructions for meditation. It seems that many of the hints in Sutras often dance around this aphorism to reveal a mystery modern teachers may have overlooked in many cases. Breath is more than your breathing of air. Breath is anything consciousness (the first breath) moves in and out with actions (Kar). The Sanskrit word for Karma is Karman, or Kar (action) and Man (mind). Mental actions are either breath out or breath in. This includes food, emotions, thoughts and so on. A life worth living is one that produces the meaning of life, which is to give life meaning. This is best lived when the breath is fully cleansed. With the expanded pointer for what breath (Spirit) represents, it’s then seen as anything in and out. There are clues all over spiritual teachings of the ages. Here is my favored list from the ‘good words’ I focus on with my own breathing. My goal is resonance. Meditation (empty out), Contemplation (breath in), Service (breath out), but resting on these virtues centers (medi means center):
Breath In
1. Self-control
2. Gentleness
3. Faithfulness
Breath Out
1. Goodness
2. Kindness
3. Forbearance (patience)
Resonance from Breath
1. Peace
2. Joy
3. LoveJune 16, 2025 at 5:53 pm #446889anita
ParticipantThank you, Steve, for such a thoughtful and layered reflection. What stayed with me most is your view that a life worth living is one where we align our in- and out-breaths—with Self-control, Gentleness, goodness, Kindness and Patience.
Anita
June 16, 2025 at 8:12 pm #446892anita
ParticipantBack to the title of this thread: “Life Worth Living- what is it like?”
(whatever comes to mind this late Monday night (still full light outside and birds singing, chirping)-
A life worth living is one that FEELS like it’s worthy of living.
This is the simplest answer I can think of.
It’s the FEELING. Life is about Feeling Alive, connected, involved; connected within and without. No loner alone and lonely within or without.
Anita
June 16, 2025 at 9:56 pm #446902anita
ParticipantAlmost dark, but not yet dark at 9:50 pm. No bird sounds though, none at all. It’s finally quiet enough that I can hear the refrigerator motor. I can hear my own breathing. I already miss the birds, looking forward to them coming back to LIFE!
9:56 pm, Monday night.
Anita
June 17, 2025 at 9:15 pm #446917anita
ParticipantI feel Lonely tonight. I say “night” although there’s no darkness outside the windows that surround me. But there’s some darkness in my heart.
Birds singing, I love hearing them!
I wish I was never alone when I don’t want to be alone. And I don’t want to be alone on this bright- light- night.
There’s so much Lonely in so many, many people’s hearts, lonely cold-hot, burning hearts. Invisible, inaudible fires.
All alone burning.
If you are reading this, please know- I am not asking for either empathy, nor sympathy.
I am not asking for anything from you.
What I am doing is exploring the-emptiness-within.
If I journal this privately.. it wouldn’t do it for me. But in a public forum such as this- there is a CHANCE, however small, that someone out there might understand me, really. Or that someone out there is just like me. Someone that was always there with me, but I didn’t know.
I am looking for me.. in someone else.
The exploration I am talking about, is about not knowing what I will be typing out next. What else is coming out from the depth of me..?
What’s in the depths of all of us?
The Desire to Connect, I says!
It is only if you experienced the longevity and intensity of my social isolation and loneliness, that you’d understand.
Desire to Connect- acronym: D2C, ha-ha (I love acronyms).
People are too occupied with their own stuff to be available for my stuff.
I may be too occupied with my own stuff.
So, what else is coming out from the depth of me..?
– The sincere desire to make a difference for me, for you!
If you are reading. Are You? If you are reading this, tell me.. what do you think? What do you feel? Who are you.. What, or who would you like to be, or become before you die..?
Before I die, I would like to.. to.. reach you, just this one person who may be reading this, wanting to be reached, just Like I so desperately wanted for way too long.
9:15 pm here (light, no sign of darkness) and most likely, no one will be responding to this.
Yet, still, I reached out.
And I respect this about me, that I reached out.
Anita
June 18, 2025 at 9:13 am #446935Peter
ParticipantHi Anita: Riffing on what you wrote.
Reading the post a line from the Heart Sutra arose: “Form is emptiness, emptiness is form”. I don’t know why, but these words leave me with a quiet ache, a loneliness I can’t name, but not disrepair.
Lately, I’ve been sitting with T.S. Eliot’s line: “Darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.”
What if light and darkness aren’t opposites? What if light is darkness in motion, illumination as the unfolding of awareness, form as the dance of stillness?Last night I read a dialog from Assassin’s Song by M.G. Vassanji which I felt was connected to the ponderings – Looking up into the night sky Bapu-ji asked: “But what is nothing?” I gaped with my child’s eyes at the blackness above my head, imagined it as a dark blanket dotted with little stars, imagined with a shiver what might lie beyond if you suddenly flung this drapery aside. Loneliness, big and terrifying enough to make you want to weep alone in the dark.
“There is no nothing” Bapu-ji continued, as if to assuage my fears, his tremulous voice cutting like a saw the layers of darkness before us, – “when you realize that everything is in the One.”Before the first light moved, there was not nothing but stillness. A fullness so vast, it needed no form. A silence so deep, it echoed with potential. We call it darkness, but not to be feared, This is not the absence of light, but its womb. Light dances, born of stillness, the breath held before the song, motion held in arms unmoving… Do not fear the dark, it is not lonely, no need to rush to fill the silence, it is not the end of light; it is its beginning.
I wonder, the quiet ache remains unnamed, has it been felt.
The night sky whisperers as I drift to sleep; Fall, child. Fall into the blackness. It is not forgetting, it is remembering what you were before you were born.
June 18, 2025 at 10:54 am #446938anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you so much for your response.
You didn’t stand outside my experience, trying to fix it or name it. You stepped into it with me—with your hands open, your metaphors ready, and your breath beside my silence. Your words didn’t feel like advice; they felt like companionship.
Reading what you wrote stirred something in me. I realized: this is how I’ve often responded to others in these forums—standing just outside their pain, shining light into it, offering ideas, guidance, even hope—but too often from the outside. Trying to fix. Trying to label. A bit arrogant, isn’t it?
What people need most isn’t advice, but presence—true, steady, sincere presence.
When you wrote about darkness not as the absence of light but as its beginning… and about stillness being the breath before the song—that landed. It helped me see more clearly that the quiet emptiness I’ve felt isn’t something to fear. Maybe something lives in it. Maybe something is waiting.
You didn’t try to cheer me up. You joined me. And that’s rare. And beautiful. And I’m grateful.
If there’s more you feel moved to share—your thoughts, your ache, your stillness—I’d receive it with care. I sense there’s still more conversation waiting between the lines.
Warmly, Anita
June 18, 2025 at 12:51 pm #446941Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
It seems to me you have been touching on something “just out of the corner of the eye” that resonated with my own ponderings. That word Loneliness associated with darkness, how it colors life and that ache. I do not wish to say to much more as it feels like space to hold for a while.
I will share an accompanying thought that has been arising as I’ve sat in T.S Eliots words and that you also echo in your last respnse. And “Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart” (Luke 2:19).
Mary doesn’t rush to interpret or act. She doesn’t try to control or explain. She simply holds with reverence, the unfolding of life, even when it’s confusing or painful. The feminine wisdom of contemplation, of allowing meaning to ripen in the heart over time.
In Jungian terms “Mary” the ‘sacred container’, the vessel of the Self that holds paradox, uncertainty, and transformation. A reminder that not all truths are meant to be solved or spoken. Some truths grow stronger in stillness. Some healings need to happen in the quiet. Some are meant to be pondered, lived with, and slowly integrated.
In a world filled with troublesome stories I find myself returning again and again to this “container”. Not to name the ache and understand, but to feel and find rest in it.
June 18, 2025 at 6:08 pm #446947anita
ParticipantHi Peter:
Not to rush to interpret or act, control or explain. To allow meaning to ripen over time.
Some truths grow stronger in stillness— in the quiet. The value of rest, not the rush to resolve.
Like you’ve said many times, a tree is not the word tree. A map is not the territory.
So—loneliness is… (I feel myself lifting a pen to sketch a map.) Maybe I just sit with the ache and let it be the territory.
Loneliness, distress, pain— the invitation is not to escape through words, analyses, or urgency. It is simply: rest in the territory. Don’t rush to map it out..
Anita
June 18, 2025 at 8:02 pm #446948anita
ParticipantI am watching a 1977 YouTube video. I was 16 years old back then. All I remember from that year was that one afternoon of riding a bicycle, the highlight of that year.
Before that bike ride, I walked everywhere. That bike ride was revolutionary… 48 years ago (is my math correct?)
I remember me, 16 years old. I remember being young, physically (so much I don’t remember).
Back to that 1977 YouTube video- the people in it, I remember them, now all dead. The audio sounds so outdated. They talk in that strange obsolete way of speaking. Did I talk that way too, back then?
I remember that day on the bike, riding around the whole of that small town where I almost-lived, not quite. I remember imagining riding even farther, beyond. Adventure!
Forty-eight years later (I double checked the numbers), here I am. Skin has changed, lost its youth. Shape has changed (no more curvy, lol). Hair has whitened. Arm skin so thin, so wrinkly thin.
WOW! I AM OLD!!!
NO-
Yes, I am OLD.
No.
Don’t resist it. Rest in it.
Rest in old age?
Yes.
LOL, joking with myself, humoring myself.
No really, you are old!
NO!!!!
Yes.. you are old!
But I don’t want to be old!
Rest in it. Don’t resist. Contemplate it, Contain it..
NOOOOO!!!
Anita
June 18, 2025 at 8:39 pm #446950anita
ParticipantIt’s okay, Peter, if you are giving up on me. It’s okay. It’s just that resting-into-the territory has to include .. in my case, decades-long of no-living, of languishing in a never-ending emotional- spiritual death while (physically) young and while getting older, not even noticing because I never got to be/ feel young. So…
It’s like being born and then violently thrown into old age with the part of BEING YOUNG missing.
Thank you, Peter. If this is uncomfortable for you, please feel comfortable to not respond. I almost hope you won’t. Because I think I may be a burden to you.
Anita
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