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  • #122587
    Chloe
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    I have been reading these forums for several months. This is such a wonderful, wise place!

    I am a really growth centered individual, but find myself stuck. I’m hoping to work toward some clarity on this.

    My whole life I’ve been plagued with depression, and through hard and rewarding work, have learned to practice a mindset of health and positivity in most things- besides myself and relationships (all, not just romantic). I haven’t always made healthy decisions, but definitely feel as if I’ve overcome that.

    Here is where I am stuck: I have a long history of allowing myself to be treated poorly by others. At this point I’m purposefully not engaging with others, because of the inherent belief I have that while people enjoy me superficially, the roles I play, the encouragement I naturally give, and the work I do, I fear that being authentic with others leads to ruin. I get rejected. I feel I am a good, decent, loving person with a lot to offer. I have spent a number of years getting comfortable with my own company, and enjoying myself, but I crave human connection. However, whenever I allow myself to feel comfortable with others and get close, I am rejected. This leaves me feeling invisible. I try my hardest not to internalize this but I need to address it sooner rather than later, before that seed really sprouts in my mind and grows out of control.

    This is a dangerous mindset for me and I would like to work on this. Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated. Thank you!

    #122590
    Maria Mango
    Participant

    Hi Be-Still,

    Human connection seems like it should be the most simple thing in the world to find-after all that’s really what the majority of us are looking for. But because of all the barriers we put up against pain, making deep connections with others can seem nearly impossible. Remember: like so many things in life, this is a learning experience and if you haven’t had a lot of good experience connecting with others (especially during the formative childhood years) the process will be slow and difficult at first. Don’t get discouraged!

    A couple questions for you:

    1. What are the attitudes of people are you trying to connect with?
    2. Have you noticed any patterns in the people you chose to open up to?
    3. What does rejection feel like to you?

    Cheers,

    M

    #122591
    Harry
    Participant

    Hi, Be-Still. I am having the same problem. With an isolated childhood, and emerging into young adulthood disconnected is really hard because if not led correctly, could lead to depression, etc. You see, we are the type of people who prefer deep connections, and not just fun and party all the time. In today’s world, deep people are hard to find. I suggest you journal your feelings or post here anytime. In addition, find people who are quiet, not so popular people, because chances are that they might be going through the same thing. Honestly, this is harder to deal with when connection with people is your primary goal/mindset. I had that mindset for the past few months, and it tortured me because it amplified the feeling I am not good enough. So, I suggest that you focus on academics or career while keeping connection as side projects, so you will be moving forward with your life and will be meeting new people.
    Let me know your thoughts
    Take care
    Harry

    #122609
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear be-still:

    I would like to understand your experience of being authentic and having been rejected for being authentic. Focusing maybe on one example from your life, when that happens:

    1. How were you authentic/ how did it looks like, sounded like, you being authentic?

    2. How was that authenticity rejected/ how were the specific expressions of your authenticity (#1) rejected?

    anita

    #122649
    Chloe
    Participant

    Thank you for your replies! I appreciate you guys for helping me process through this.

    Maria Mango: Regarding the people I try to connect with- I am fairly well into adulthood, so the majority of people my age are in romantic relationships and/or raising children. While I superficially know many lovely people, and do some light socializing with them after church, etc; none of them are ever available to get together due to family priorities, which I understand completely. I have been dis-invited from planned outings due to my romantically single status. I have been told “[Event] just sort of became a couples thing, and we wouldn’t want you to feel awkward” or “We thought you’d have someone by now for [husband] to talk to”. I think it is human nature to gravitate towards people in your own “stage” in life, and my stage just doesn’t match up with most others right now.

    I do believe I gravitate towards people who take more than they give. I am a nurturer by nature, and my ex husband was diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. That is one of the main reasons I am choosing not to seek romantic involvement- I do not trust myself to choose a healthy partner yet, and I can not replay my marriage.

    Harry, thank you for your words. Funny that you should mention academic or career advancement- I am finishing up a master’s program, and just accepted a promotion, so that is what I’ve been doing for the past three years. I worry, as it comes closer to graduation, that without the “crutch” of academics I will feel the lack of connection in my life more keenly, bringing about my desire to address this now.

    Anita, regarding your questions: Several big events in life come to mind. The first was when I was 27, I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. I was unable to play the roles I was expected to play as a wife, mother, and daughter in law. I was honest about my fatigue, my fear of the big C, my inability to function. My ex (then my husband) called me crazy and lazy.

    The second is during the divorce. My ex and I had been having problems for some time, which we hid from family and friends. When he stopped coming home to my son and I, instead practically living with a single woman in a nearby town, I left. The majority of our friends remained friends with him. I was a very difficult person for about a year- I cried most of the time, I was angry, I was struggling to raise our son alone and on welfare. Meanwhile, he was not experiencing these things- he was having parties and going out. Our friends said I needed to “get over it” and said they were tired of defending me. When he began driving intoxicated with my son in the car, and I called the police, they said I was going too far.

    I suppose when I replay situations in my life, it is when I draw clear boundaries and allow my sadness/hurt/depression to be seen by others, it is then that I am rejected and left by people who say they love me. When I am doing well, when I am positive, encouraging, and nurturing people enjoy my presence. When I am hurt, ill, depressed, or putting boundaries in place, I am rejected by those people I need to lean on. So I have learned to lean only on myself, but this leaves me with the deep fear that people only love me at my best, so if they see anything less than my best they will abandon me.

    #122651
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear be-still:

    Are you cancer free now? I hope so.

    Reads to me that not only your ex husband was a selfish, indecent person, so were your friends, and terribly so. The church you go to, as well.

    I am thinking you have a way better chance meeting a decent man online, as in online dating, as in Match or Plenty of Fish than you would in church or otherwise. I would set a clear, down to earth profile and use the site to interview men, potential mates, get to know them in non-intimate settings such as a coffee shop.

    I have much more to suggest about making an online dating experience effective. Let me know if you are interested in reading more about the experience that worked for me (!) with online dating.

    anita

    #122670
    Chloe
    Participant

    Anita,

    Thank you! I am cancer free. My thyroid was removed and I have been successfully supplemented and healthy for a number of years.

    I appreciate the advice regarding dating! I would love to know more about effectively approaching online dating. The whole process scares me, frankly.

    While I can accept that the people who once shared my life were not good for me, what concerns me most is that these are the people I invited into my life and felt safe sharing myself with. This, to me, indicates that I have some work to do to make better connections with people who will accept me on a deeper level- not just for the good I provide but will provide support for me when things are rough in my life. Struggling with major depression is not always an easy task, and though my mood is well controlled with medication and therapy, I am by no means happy and giving every second of every day. Sometimes I need the loving gesture, the friend that says “I’m here”. My current thought process is that I am only acceptable when I am giving, and that I am not worthy to ask or receive in kind. The -best- I can hope for is to be invisible- and that is not how I want my life to play out. But if I don’t learn to reroute this thinking, this is the cycle my life will be stuck in.

    Have you had any success rerouting negative thought cycles into a more loving, positive frame of mind?

    #122673
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear be-still:

    You are welcome; good thing you are alive and well.

    Regarding your last question, about “rerouting negative thought cycles into a more loving, positive frame of mind”- I tried but failed every time and am convinced this is not possible to do, long term. I will explain: a few Sundays ago I passed by one of the smaller churches in the small town closest to me. People were standing outside the church and each one had a smile on their faces. Must have just come out of church with that “more loving, positive frame of mind”- the people smiling right after church (or after listening to “positive affirmations” as I used to), their smile doesn’t last long.

    My process of healing has been about rerouting my distorted thinking into correct thinking, in other words, rerouting my brain so to make it congruent with reality.

    It is a REALISTIC frame of mind, not a positive (or negative) frame of mind that I am after.

    I am having success with it. First introduced to the concept in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and the principle of Buddhism, of seeing Reality as-it-is.

    * You wrote: “I am by no means happy and giving every second of every day”- me neither. But you don’t mean this literally, do you- do you expect to be joyous much of most days in the future?

    You wrote: “I have some work to do to make better connections with people who will accept me on a deeper level- not just for the good I provide but will provide support for me when things are rough in my life”

    * As the child that you were, with your parent/s, was your worth then equated to accomplishments, achievements… services you provided around the house?

    Will come back to online dating (too much to include in one post). Hope you attend to my * questions and anything else in this post and we’ll continue to communicate, if you want.

    anita

    #122851
    Chloe
    Participant

    Anita,

    Thank you for the ongoing assistance. I haven’t replied in a few days because I got ill- I certainly wasn’t positive or joyous then! haha. Regarding your questions- I feel I am like you, personally. I seek a more realistic view. I know that my view of the world and others tends to be positive and I see the good in everyone, but my view of myself is negative. So I definitely do focus more on trying to balance out the negative thinking with positive to hopefully ease into a more middle ground. It feels like a weird spot- I have a brain wired for the negative (the depression) and a spirit wired for the positive. So moderation for me is always the goal. After long years of practice, I am now able to sit through and experience the hard feelings, and know they will pass. So no, I do not expect continuous joy. I acknowledge it and enjoy it as it comes, but I know that all feelings come and go in their own time. I think my difficulty is that I struggle to find people that accept both the positive, giving parts of me and the down, needy parts. People enjoy me when I am loving, positive and giving, and then turn away or become angry when I need that encouragement or help. So really I’m looking for ways to grow myself so that I can find and embrace more reciprocal relationships and connections with others.

    As a child, I definitely was defined by my accomplishments and successes. I truly believe my parents did as well as they could, and I don’t have a history of childhood trauma, but I was always the “smart” one, the “good” one. My sister was more of a wild child and was in trouble a lot, and my parent’s marriage wasn’t good most of my childhood. So in essence, in my youth invisibility was better. Attention meant you were in trouble, you did something wrong, or someone was mad at you. I was bullied a lot in school, so it was similar- no attention was a good thing. Back then, this attitude had a purpose and worked well for me. As an adult, however, it is not working well for me and I want to change my perceptions. Over the years I have grown a lot, but this is the attitude that I am stuck on. What do you do about childhood perceptions if you can’t let them go?

    #122857
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi be-still,

    99% of people can’t handle other peoples’ “biggies” ~ divorce, cancer, poverty. They can barely handle their own lives and are afraid of being saddled with someone else’s issues. That’s why they are surface-y. That’s why they go to church, I suspect. That’s why everything is “fine” in their world.

    For the issues “everything is fine” people can’t handle, I suggest support groups. Divorce support groups and cancer support groups. Even though you are cancer free, maybe you can share your time and wisdom with other people? Soldiers love each other like brothers when they go through the trial of fire together. If you help someone through the darkest time of their lives and since you truly “get” what they’re going through, you’ll have a friend for life. Believe it!

    As for what I call Soul Friends, you can’t force it or look for it. They appear rarely and randomly in your life.

    I also suggest revealing only 1% of yourself per cup of coffee visit. I find if I reveal the depths of my innermost Self to people, they freak out by Too Much Too Soon. Not everyone can (or should!) be in your Inner Circle. Think of yourself as a Superhero. People only GET to know your backstory when THEY’VE done the work and are up to Volume 5, Issue 10.

    Good Luck,

    Inky

    #122861
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear be-still:

    One thought I had reading your last post is regarding you viewing yourself negatively and others, positively. This could be that you look for others to give you that positive view of yourself. You do for others so that they will give you that positive self view that you need. And you view them positively, place them on a pedestal of positivity perhaps, so when they hand you that positive view of yourself, it comes from authority, someone on top. It is similar to a child viewing her parents as gods, definitely putting them on a pedestal.

    Regarding “People enjoy me when I am loving, positive and giving, and then turn away or become angry when I need that encouragement or help”- I wonder if you establish with people this rule-of-engagement with them, that is, you communicating to them something like this: I am here for you. You matter. I don’t.

    And then when you express your needs, that is, the idea that you do matter and therefore you need something for yourself, you are breaking this rule-of-engagement with them and they get angry.

    There is the question in your last post and the internet dating from before in the back of my mind, and I am sure there is more. For now I need your feedback on what I wrote here, on this post, before I can go on.

    anita

    #122922
    Chloe
    Participant

    Inky, Thank you for your post. I agree, that the majority struggles with things like cancer and divorce. Its the whole “laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone” concept. I think I have grown to a point where I’m okay crying alone…. but someday I want more than superficial friendships and relationships in my life. So I have to find the balance. These past several years have been about me learning to be myself following cancer and divorce- to be okay, to be alone, to even enjoy myself and my space. To accept “letting go” and “good enough”. But I need the moderation of sharing that lifestyle with one of companionship and maybe even romantic relationships; otherwise I fear I will grow too deeply comfortable with aloneness and let this craving for companionship and life sharing to be buried by fear. I have been a part of a divorce support group in the past, when it was fresh, and though it was difficult, I enjoyed the experience. I’ve sort of started to try and pull some of my single mom acquaintances together on occasion. I may do another round of support group, that is a good idea. I also like your Superhero analogy!

    Anita- you bring up an excellent point that I had not considered! I always thought my focus on the positive in the world and the positive in people was me trying to combat the darkness of the depression in my mind. I never related it to my own childhood experience. I’m not sure I ever put the “rules of engagement” so bluntly as you have, but the recognition is there. Reading that sparked some familiarity in my mind, though I’m still pondering it. I will say that my family is very blue collar, and “love” wasn’t really spoken of in my youth. So I probably am idolizing others, seeking some sort of parental bond that will provide me with the corrective experience of love I’ve sought since youth. Good God! What in the world do you do about that? Am I on the right path here?

    #122930
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear be-still:

    “What in the world do you do about that?” You mean about “idolizing others, seeking some sort of parental bond that will provide (you) with the corrective experience of love…”?

    Correct your thinking when it comes to evaluating people, to figuring out who the person in front of you is. See them clearly- not as more-than and not as less-than who they are.

    The “corrective experience”- that is, being loved for you being you, not the Invisible You trying to Do For others, that will happen when you stop being invisible and when you do stop doing for others. When you abandon the Invisible and Doing-for-others Role, you will make yourself available for love that is not conditional on that role.

    Being invisible worked for you in your youth, so you wrote, when you dealt with bullies and in your family. It still works when you deal with bullies in your current life. These people who get angry at you for being human and insist that the only way you interact with them is for you to be invisible, these people are bullies, overtly or covertly.

    To interact with a decent person, one who is not a bully, do become Visible, and Make your interactions Give-and-Take/ Win-Win, instead of one way giving on your part with no return. If you like this input, this can be verbalized in your online dating profile and your dating experience can be geared toward this very practice.

    anita

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