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  • #42256
    lb
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    He/she made me sad
    He/she made me happy
    …made me feel pretty/special
    …etc

    ‘Nobody makes you feel such-and-such a way…’ I’ve heard this numerous times.

    Somebody buys you a gift..that makes you happy…the action communicates to you that you are special to that person…hence, you feel special.

    Somebody important to you begins to treat you at a distance, maybe even saying hurtful things. This actions brings on sadness which may manifest to anger.

    So how is the statement above true. How is that possible? We are humans. We’re emotional and social beings. We interact with each other, picking up each other’s energy. How do people and events not effect your state of mind. Of course we care what others say or feel about us, especially those closest to our hearts. How do you not? How can you feel indifferent to the actions/words of others? Do you detach somehow? Do you turn off or somehow take control of a certain aspect of what makes us human?

    Please enlighten me with your thoughts…

    #42266
    Lindsay
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    I totally understand what you mean. And I think I separate it into two categories: people I let into my inner circle and people I don’t.

    As for people who are not in my inner circle: if someone cuts me off while driving, I do have a choice in how I react. I can get mad, call him a glassbowl, ride his bumper, and go into a road rage fit. And people do this because they take it personally. When really, there is no reason for it to be taken personally. OR, I can take a second to realize that he probably wasn’t thinking about me AT ALL. He’s just trying to get home after a long crappy day of work, has perhaps had a much worse day (or maybe life) than me, and he hasn’t spent two seconds thinking about me. And be okay with that. Personally, I choose the second route. I choose to let the aggravation slide off of me. But this can be applied in closer settings too. For example, I am an attorney. I get yelled at ALL THE TIME, by other attorneys, by judges, whoever. It’s part of the job and it rarely bothers me. These are people I work with on a regular basis, but they each have their own issues they are dealing with, their own frustrations, and very different world views or priorities than me. I don’t take it personally. I don’t let it affect me. It’s a choice. (This aspect took me a long time to cultivate and it is still a work in progress. I’m not perfect at it, but I do think it’s true. I also think my life is much more balanced and harmonious since I realized how to CHOOSE who affects me).

    Now, it is different for people that I am close to: my family members who are important pieces in my life, my close friends, etc. I DO think that in order to make connections with people that you cannot close yourself off to all people and not feel emotion. I don’t try to prevent from feeling all negative emotions because I think they are beautiful and necessary. Painful, yes. But they are also the foundation for empathy, compassion, giving, etc. I also think shared humanity and vulnerability is what brings people together. It makes us feel not alone. But you do choose WHO you let affect you. Yes, my best friend definitely has the power to hurt me. I’ve also given her that power and trust that she’ll use it carefully. If she *abuses* that power, I will take it away from her. I also trust her, and our friendship, enough that if she does hurt me, I can talk to her about it. I can tell her that I was upset or sad or disappointed. I’ll give her a chance to tell her side. Heck, we might even argue. But I trust that we’ll get through it. And that is worth it.

    • This reply was modified 10 years, 7 months ago by Lindsay.
    #42268
    Matt
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    Lb,

    The notion that others make us feel certain things is true to a point, and gaining detachment is not about removing what makes us human. It has more to do with having a stable understanding of who we are and how the world works.

    For example, when we are parents, we do best when we detach from the emotional states of our children. If they ask us for a bowl of sugar for lunch, we know that is not nourishing, and we tell them no. Then they stomp and scream and tell us that they hate us. It has nothing to do with us, and we don’t have to take it in. A kid wants what they want, and if they don’t get it, they might throw a temper tantrum from their attachment. However, if they ask for a toy and we give it to them (with discernment feeling us its a good time for them to get a toy) then they might laugh and cry out that they love us and we are the best parent in the whole world. It has nothing to do with us, it is their happy tantrum. When we don’t make their vacillating about us, we are not affected.

    Instead what we can do is have an authentic confidence that we are doing our best to make good decisions. We tell people what we think and feel is best, even if they might not like what we have to say. We do our best to act in accordance with our heart, our wisdom, and become rooted enough that whatever comes back from acting that way will help us become more skillful. So if someone tells us we’re an ass, we can naturally realize that has nothing to do with us, it has to do with them and their perception. We don’t want them to see us as an ass, because it is painful for them and we know we are not, so what can be done? How do we dance more skillfully with them? Is there anything we can do? If yes, we do it. If not, we move on, let go. Trust that as we pay it forward, keep sharing our heart where and when we can, that whatever tangle arose in them will work itself out.

    This doesn’t make us inhuman robots, quite the contrary. It gives us an equanimity that allows us to be bright and open no matter what is happening. We still feel empathy, and even more so because we have the space to bring it in. It just looks and feels a lot different, because we never make it about us. “Wow, my child is very vibrantly angry right now, and still they will not eat sugar for lunch. They will get over it in time. Do they need a hug or a timeout? Let’s try something.” Etc.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #42273
    lb
    Participant

    I understand not taking everything to heart, therefore not affecting your emotional wellbeing. If I could, learn and remember this I could be happier.

    I’m going to flip it.

    “So if someone tells us we’re an ass, we can naturally realize that has nothing to do with us, it has to do with them and their perception.”

    What if their perception is possibly correct, if you are behaving an ass?
    If you shirk off that your actions are being received negatively simply because it’s their perception when do you accept responsibility and make necessary adjustments? Also, although it is their perception, would not that comment be personal and true?

    Wouldn’t there be a balance to it?

    I ask this because I have a friend that says I take everything personally and everything is not about me. I agree with that. I’m trying to learn not to…not sure how to start. He on the other does not take anything personally, does not care what anyone says therefore never taking responsibility for his words or actions.

    #42277
    Matt
    Participant

    Lb,

    I like where you’re taking this, and can understand why you wonder about how to balance examining feedback with not taking it personally. This is about knowing yourself. If we’re called an ass, and are secure in knowing our intention was not being callous, the we can say “hmmm, that’s interesting.” People have so many views and differences, its very possible and almost certain that what we try to say will not always be heard. Said differently, if we know our intentions, and accept that translating those across minds through words and actions is a messy and imprecise process, then responses from others is appreciated feedback.

    This is not the type of expression I would aim toward someone without empathy. However, that is not your issue. Your friend, for instance, might do well to learn gentle speech, considering the feelings of others, and how ignoring the feedback of those around us lead us to stagnation and isolation. If he asks a question, I’ll answer. See what I mean? The harmony of life is such that when we push and punch our views into others and don’t listen to their “ouches”, we begin to feel greater and greater emotional painfulness. We can trust that someday he’ll start asking questions which lead him home. Until then, we can look at our own footprints.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #42282
    lb
    Participant

    Lindsay

    I like you have certain ones in my life that I allow and entrust with the ability to affect me. If someone that I have given this ability abuses it, it can be revoked. Unfortunately, once it comes to that point the damage is done and pain exists.

    I have had to remove, from a person I called a friend, the ability to hurt me. This is hard because it places a wall between us. Sometimes a necessary step for self preservation.

    I guess part of the key is not to give them the power to make you question your value your self worth.

    Be selective of those who can affect you.

    Also, as Matt said, not to take things personally. The reasons behind why did or said has more to do with them than you.

    I guess what I have to figure out is how to identify the hurt feelings when first begin to surface, not to feed them, and see it for what it is.

    These are skills that would prove positive for me because I am a highly sensitive person. I have not always been that way.

    I don’t want to become so calloused that I’m not receptive to constructive criticism.

    • This reply was modified 10 years, 7 months ago by lb.
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    #42306
    Lindsay
    Participant

    You are right that once the damage is done, pain is there. But there is a difference between someone causing you pain and someone abusing the power to cause you pain. And we all experience both. I have plenty of friends who have caused me pain but I keep them around because they haven’t abused it. I also have had my share of friends that I have had to walk away from. I’ve also had to walk away from relationships that were very painful because the other person abused that power. After all, MOST friendships or relationships don’t last a lifetime. Some fade away, some end in fireworks. And that’s okay.

    But do I think it was a mistake to give that power over to each of those people who hurt me? Not really, even when it causes pain. Because, like I said, pain and vulnerability also create more beautiful emotions like empathy and compassion. Heartbreak is a near-guarantee for this life. But those painful experiences (which I may still be working through) also let me be there for my friend when her relationship is on the rocks. Or for my (future) kid when he gets dumped for the first time.

    So, it’s okay if you give that power to the wrong person once in a while. You just need to maintain enough self-worth to know when to take it back.

    I also liked your point about when someone calls you an ass, and well, you just might be. lol. It happens! I think this is where knowing yourself becomes important. When someone says something that I think is mean, but might be true, my first impulse is to get defensive (you might have a different reaction). I’m learning that when I start feeling defensive, I STOP. I breathe, and take a minute to think about it. If I think they might have a point, I tell them that. And this usually breaks the tension and opens up a much better conversation that just calling me an ass. 🙂 No one is perfect and you can learn to accept criticism as a way of improving yourself, without it damaging your self-worth.

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