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  • #100782
    emotionalyze
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    Hey, everyone. I haven’t felt this bad in a while. I don’t have many friends. The only ones I could talk to wouldn’t understand. I’ve tried before. This isn’t my first account on TinyBuddha, but I couldn’t recover my old account. I’ve asked for help before, when I needed to move on from my bad relationship experience. I had been avoidant of intimacy and closeness with the opposite gender for years and then this guy turns up. He makes me feel special, tells me he loves me, makes plans with me. Fast forward 1 month or 2. The very same, same mistake. The difference being, it was a long distance relationship (I thought being in a long distance would be ‘safer’.
    And I also I thought my ex was the worst person I’d ever meet and that I’d never fall for someone like him again. I was wrong. If this taught me anything was that my ex being a bad person is the rule rather than the exception. I said I was in a vulnerable position almost from the get-go, and yet he went on and ruined the last shred of trust I had in… I want to say “men”, but that isn’t true. It’s my fault. I keep falling for cold-blooded guys with borderline psychopathic tendencies. This guy straight up told me I was naive, he was very mean and cynical about it and bragged about how easily he made me believe him. Because I get attached to a facade they put up early on. When they treat me poorly, I, for some reason, can still see a pure and good side to them. I doubt myself, “my emotions aren’t a reliable sign that something is wrong; it must be my depression/anxiety’. They even start blaming my anxiety as well. When they start being shady or unavailable, I get creative and read too much into their responses, I buy whatever they use as justification. I want SO MUCH to believe that I’m special and loved and cared about. I’m just so eager to believe that, that I put up with any sort of behavior. Even though my gut keeps telling me there’s something’s off. I feel on high alert. Hence the constant anxiety attacks I would get while I was with him. They’re always quick to express emotions and make the wildest plans for the future. I feel like we are so much alike, and I think to myself. “wow, we both want a meaningful relationship, that’s probably a good sign”. ‘When someone shows you what they are, believe them’. I had heard that phrase before, but I never thought much of it and only now I understand. I thought the time I was single meant I was making progress. On some level, I knew I was merely avoiding the problem. I’m too naive and trusting and get attached too easily. What is wrong with me.

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    #100789
    emotionalyze
    Participant

    My post is difficult to understand, I know. I was too shaken when I wrote that. It seems like I can’t edit it anymore, unfortunately.

    #100798
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear emotionalyze:

    Too bad your lost your old account but it is on record here under a different name. I would like to read previous posts by you. Can you bring anything back for me or write (again, I suppose) about your childhood for me, your relationships with your parent/s when you were a child and since, currently as well?

    anita

    #100801
    emotionalyze
    Participant

    Hi, Anita. Thank you for your response. When I first signed up on this site, I used the username “clueless”. I thought it was an appropriate name since I seemed to lack the emotional intelligence I needed and always seemed to make unhealthy choices as far as people is involved. I remember you’ve commented about my username in my thread, that perhaps there was an underlying issue I was clueless about (as it turns out, there was).

    (Anita, I feel like I’ve disappointed you. You helped me so much and so diligently.)

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    #100802
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear emotionalyze:

    I remember strongly clueless but not the posts. I will try to get the threads and let you know if I made it.

    anita

    #100806
    Anonymous
    Guest

    dear emotionalyze:

    Didn’t find it. If there is a way, I don’t know it (not skilled at tech stuff).

    If you can’t bring back the past threads, will you share again anything that is relevant from those past shares, what they were about, if and what did you learn from correspondence with me…?

    anita

    #100810
    emotionalyze
    Participant

    I’ve found my old account: http://tinybuddha.com/members/clueless123/

    It’d be difficult for me to summarize all I’ve learned from our correspondences. All the advice you gave me is still fitting. I decided to post here because, honestly… I just feel too alone all the time with barely no friends truly paying attention or participating in my life. That was too big of a tumble for me to be able to get over and keep to myself…
    I’m very convinced there’s a difference between learning something in theory and being able to apply it. The last couple of months were confusing, full of ups and downs. Everything was direly familiar, but I refused to even draw any comparisons with my ex. No one could be worse to me than my ex, I thought. I put on my ‘relationship goggles’ and lost all perspective and common sense.

    #100812
    Amanda
    Participant

    Emotionalyze,

    I want you to know you’re not alone. I know what it’s like to not have too many friends, and be at a loss for who to talk to about things. I also know how you feel about seemingly making the same mistake over again. I understand your thought process about a long distance relationship being “safer” in a way.

    I have tried my hand at online dating websites, and it never seems to work. I think it’s too easy to put on a different facade online, than in person. I think these sites are great for meeting people as I’ve met many, but it’s never seemed too genuine. I totally understand still being able to see the good in someone, even after they’ve treated you ever so poorly.

    Realize you deserve more than all of that. Personally, I’m taking a break from all things relationship until I have some much needed self-discovery time, figuring out how to effectively deal with my own anxiety and such. So I don’t know how helpful this is, but I hope you see you’re not alone through this.

    I’m cheering for you.

    amde20

    #100816
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear emotionalyze:

    Thank you for digging out your old account. Now I remember, absolutely. I am glad you are back here and hope you post here again and again for as long as you need to. I, for one, will reply to you every single time that I am online and seeing a post by you.

    I will recap from my memory triggered by reading some of the last July thread. I will write my understanding that I now remember, and please tell me if I have it right or where I did not get it right and correct me.

    In the home of your childhood, your brother had violent psychotic episodes that scared you and your parents. Your parents focused on your brother while neglecting you almost completely. They encouraged you to go outside the home so that you will not be present during your brother’s episodes.

    When you met your ex boyfriend you were an unskilled child, in practice, not prepared and not familiar with anything really, not guided, not taught, just left alone to fend for yourself.

    You blame yourself a whole lot, seeing yourself as guilty while seeing your parents as faultless. You live with them and are very emotionally dependent on them. You are waiting for them to give you what they never did. You are still a child, in practice, waiting.

    Your anxiety developed as a result of you being severely (!) neglected by your parents, being alone in a home with a violent brother. There is no way a child can survive such violence and neglect without developing anxiety.

    As a result of you being severely neglected and living in a very unsafe, non comforting home, you never learned to trust your emotions. You were never taught what your emotions are about, that they are valid and make sense.

    Am I correct so far? Please correct me.

    anita

    #100818
    emotionalyze
    Participant

    Hi, amde20,

    I have a couple of friends but I’m aware I can’t count on them if things get critical. I’ve made the test and they got confused and unresponsive; I ended up feeling worse at the end. I’ve never tried online dating sites since I’m too scared of signing up and putting on a picture of myself. I’ve met this guy over a game I used to play. My experience is just one of the awful things some people are capable of when they’re lying behind a screen many miles away. No real repercussions = no guilt, unfortunately.
    I think you’re right in taking a break from all of this. I was trying to do the same before all of this happened. I’ll do the same once I can. For the time being, I just can’t. It might take some time to tame my feelings again.

    Thank you for your response, amde.

    #100832
    emotionalyze
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I’ve learned (again) the tough way that I must always analyze careful my emotions rather than taking them with a grain of salt because of my mental health problems. At this point, I have to accept I will likely commit the same mistakes and I think it’s safe to assume that I’m drawn to an specific kind of person. Because keeping things to myself is part of my nature, I can’t count with the benefit of an outsider’s perspective. It’s comforting to think that there’s still a place I can be heard and understood. It helps me to keep myself on track.

    You remember my story, everything you said was correct. As for my parents, they’re fine as long as I am fine. I made some progress in the last couple of months, which really pleased them. All credit really goes to the fact that I was in a ‘relationship’, but it doesn’t really matter now. There were times in which I felt really low and depressed, but I managed to keep the front. I find myself feeling a certain disconnect from what I am feeling and how I was supposed to feel. It’s as though my craving for affection has no boundaries.

    ‘you never learned to trust your emotions. You were never taught what your emotions are about, that they are valid and make sense.’
    It’s as clear to me now as it was last year when i was on here. My anxiety is not misplaced, it serves a purpose. The whole time I was investing my time and energy on that last guy I was having regular anxiety attacks. It was trying to tell me something, but I wasn’t/’m not smart and self-aware enough to listen. On a certain level, I always knew. But as I said before, it wasn’t bigger than my craving for connection, for not being being alone, for feeling accepted.

    My nature is caring and non confrontational. I’m always the one listening and trying to fix things. If I’m not careful enough, I put others ahead of me. I go out of my way to not hurt people’s feelings, to not come across the wrong way. I don’t even know where I’m trying to get with this last paragraph, I’m just sick and tired of it all.

    #100879
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear emotionalyze:

    You’ve been suffering for a long, long time and it makes me sad.

    I just remembered your mother said a long time ago that you brought your troubles to yourself. I remember now. You wrote her a long letter and all she did was give you a hug. She did not talk about anything in that letter. Only a hug and “I am sorry”

    Sorry for what, she didn’t say.

    In the past, compared to your brother, you were the one putting up the front of having it together, being the normal one.

    The relationship with the ex, that dragged you down and deep because you were not at all prepared. You were so young, had no idea, were clueless.

    You were going to school last we communicated. Are you still?

    What is the current relationship with your mother? Father? Brother?

    Your grandmother, you liked your grandmother… and you have cats. Cats in your room.

    Update me about all this, will you?

    anita

    #100916
    emotionalyze
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I’m sorry, I think I’ve accidentally clicked on the report button, meaning to click on “reply”. I hope this does nothing. I was sick the last 5 days. I’ve recovered, but I’m coughing and it’s somewhat bad. I’d have healed faster if it wasn’t for how low I’ve been feeling the last couple of days.

    I’m still in school. I’m working part-time. I don’t make enough money to move out my house.

    My current relationship with them is good. As I said before, I’ve been feeling disconnected from everyone around me. I keep too much to myself and it feels like I’m not being genuine.

    My grandmother, I see her regularly. I’ve still got my pets.

    #100922
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear emotionalyze:

    When I reply, I never hit the “reply” – I simply type in the box under “Reply To: (title of thread)”

    Take it easy on yourself. Be very gentle and patient with yourself when you are sick and healthy, all the time. That will help you get better in every way.

    Till your next post, take good care of yourself:

    anita

    #101011
    emotionalyze
    Participant

    There’s something which happened yesterday that I’d like to share. I’m sorry if it ends up being too long…

    I was very low these past week, thinking constantly of my mistake, ashamed for not knowing any better and for investing so much time and energy into someone who clearly did not share my values, did not deserve my availability, thoughtfulness and dedication and did not respect me enough to be honest and clear about his intentions. Not only that but I was mocked and humiliated (i won’t get into details, it’s hurtful and embarrassing). When he told me in disgusting detail his true intents, and so obnoxiously as though he wanted to get back at me somehow, I was reactionless and could barely say anything. Yesterday, I was feeling like I could not go on without addressing some of his attitude. I still could not include in my response everything I had bottled up inside me, because I did not want the situation to be dragged on any further and also because I was too afraid of retaliations on his part. So I made response to him where I subtly called him out on his lack of morals and suggested he was like coward hiding behind a screen who takes pride in crushing those who are vulnerable. Unfortunately it was so subtle and he’s, as he recently shown to me, so so vapid and self-centered it probably flew over his head. It almost didn’t pay off, but in a way it did. I’ll explain this further on.

    I could tell by his response that he totally missed some of my important points, but at least he had the common sense to not attack me. He did not have the decency to apologize. Said he ‘wishes me the best’, said something about ‘do not commit suicide, you can easily find a man if you want’. I don’t know why he took my response that way, I could only commit suicide for something along the lines of hating myself, I never said I’d commit suicide for a man, much less someone like him. Go figure. All I can make of it is that he’s too shallow and self-absorbed to understand. He says something like ‘But I helped you through your anxiety attacks and prevented you from suicidal thoughts in some occasions’. Like I should be so grateful for the time I wasted with him. If he hadn’t helped me in those occasions, I’d have realized a lot sooner that I should walk away. Why can’t he understand that what he did was not ok and nothing like listening or advising me a handful of times redeems him of anything. Plus, he only did that to keep me interested, so it’s not like it was being genuinely caring and decent. Why can’t people see things like that? Are their morals really that twisted or they just don’t care? When I got his response and noticed he still did not understand me very well, I regretted not being more clear and confrontational. Then again, would it change a thing if I was? He’s not in my life anymore, he’s not my problem, I don’t benefit anymore from him changing his ways. At least I got my main point across which was ‘please, do not ever talk to me again, leave me in peace’. So, I’m happy that I did not reply to any of his last messages and then blocked him, even though I really really wanted to reply as he had gotten almost everything I said wrong. The thing I should really be concerned about is my tendency of underestimating my feelings in favor of someone. Also, why I seem to be drawn to the same type of men. If I had listened to my anxiety, I’d wouldn’t have gotten so far into any of my awful relationships.

    I still don’t know, in practice, what a healthy relationship should look like. I know in theory but it’s not the same. When you are treated in a certain way, somehow it gets familiar and you get used to it. This is the second deceiving guy with questionable morals with whom I have a ‘relationship’ (in fact, I can’t even call it that). This reminds me of a quote, “mistakes repeated more than once are decisions”. I know this one was mainly on me. I’m 23 years old, I’m not 16 anymore. Expecting others to have similar values as mine is just unrealistic. This is the world we live in… The fact people have such a lack of empathy really frustrates me. And realistically this world is filled with morons that will do anything as long as it pleases them and to hell with everyone else. But I won’t take this as another mistake and feel any more shame, I’ll look at it as decision, a reminder, a painful learning opportunity I would rather not have needed to have, obviously true, but that might help me strengthen myself and head me on a better healthier path. I wish I was lucky enough to have found someone decent this time and finally have had a regular relationship experience, but that wasn’t the case. It still makes me sad, but at least I did not harm anyone in the process. At least I was acting based on something I’ve always believed, ever since I was little (I shouldn’t have been exposed to so many soap operas as a kid). Not only that, but I also have issues involving the emotional negligence I suffered in my developing years, which makes me long for attention and care, which unfortunately translated in my relationships pattern. I still feel alone, not in a regular way everybody feels alone, but in a nearly unbearable and shudder-inducing way… It could have gone a lot worse if he hadn’t confessed his farce. Naturally I feel sad for being dragged into such a dire situation, but also relieved for having walked away from it once I finally saw the entire picture.

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